2.2L Cavy -vs- 5.0 Mustang

I'd like to hear what you guys think. 2.2L 1996 Cavalier with (mods but nothing major like NOS or turbo) vs a late 1980's Mustang 5.0 in the 1/4 mile......who is your money on??????? btw (both manual)

When you say the cavy has mods, you mean like I/H/E? If so, I think that the 5.0 would take the win.

that is the basic thing or than than maybe a eletric intake blower....can u suggest and other mods that arent serious and require major engine mods? things to just get the 1/4 time down

I am a Chevy guy all the way......but the stang would eat that cav's lunch. My GF in h/s had an 84 with the 5.0 and 5spd. That was a quick car. A 2.2 is an economy engine not a streetracer. Stockwise that is.

I hate most Stangs, but it would kill the Chevy. I voted for the Cavalier anyway. :D

you all really dont think i would have a chance if i had mods (serious but not serious not just i/h/e.......and with the Stang normally having a 4cly engine and had a stock 50 in....with an amatuer driver(also i will have to say i am a begginer to all of it too) can anyone suggest any mods(engine,shift, etc. that can help me atleast have a chance???


(also the cavy is a hell of alot lighter too isnt it???)

i dont think it would even be close unless the stang fucks up im sorry but cavs. arnt to fast stock and i/h/e aint going to add to much

Well thats what i am saying i need suggestions for things other than i/h/e that arent really really costly. Keep in mind i have a alittle less than a year to do this

save your money....
then sell your cav. and buy something other then a civic or a cav. or a neon

something with a little more power

I think with minor mods to the 2.2L im might be somewhat a close race. Yeah the 5.0 would win but wouldn't stomp the Cavalier

A stock 89 Mustang runs a 15.1 sec 1/4.
Your car runs a stock 16.1 sec 1/4.

( http://www.geocities.com/edmodscarspecs/ )

So if you wanna compete you've gotta somehow manage to gain a full second at least to be competitive. If all your wanting to do is try and beat this guy once at the track, then I suggest lots of nitrous. Realize that nitrous is a weak substitute for daily driving, because you don't receive the benefit of the power. But to make your car run a full second faster on cheap mods just isn't going to happen, unless you completely gut your interior(down to nothing but sheet metal, including carpet and rubber lining), remove your air conditioner, cut the top off of your car, hood goes, trunk goes, doors go, all glass goes.... the works (go on a diet yourself). That could conceivably drop your weight by 700 or so lb... and then with nitrous you could definitely stand a chance.

I'm not trying to be an ass or anything. But it looks like you're looking for a cheap way to beat this guy, and the cheapest way to make power is nitrous, and the cheapest mod is weight reduction(free).


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well i think ill skip out on the NOS, despite all things u guys are saying i still think i have a real chance at this guy(a highschool buddy). Both love cars. I think the driver one of the most important parts of the race... cause no matter how much power u have , if u dont know how to use it ur gettin no where. anywayz ill let ya know how this one goes.:flash:

Originally posted by Pikachoo
A stock 89 Mustang runs a 15.1 sec 1/4.

HaHa, thats all a 89 302 mustang can do? I may change my vote to the cavvy:bloated:

Chevyfreak - please go out and race this guy and come back here and tell us all about it.

We could use some excitement around here.

:D

YEAH...Cavy all the way.

Originally posted by jgillham


HaHa, thats all a 89 302 mustang can do? I may change my vote to the cavvy:bloated:

:D

Yea, stock those old rustangs are pretty weak... BUT- it doesn't take much to start seeing some big gains. As much as I hate it, if that guy does much to his car at all those numbers are gonna drop pretty fast.

hehe, rustangs. :) don't care much for them myself. I would love to see the cavy kick its butt.

couple days i figured out a place right by my house that has the 1/4 mile marked exaclty *two roads looks like this*(the attached pic) i didnt have any one to time me but i was at 85mph at the finish......(i have no mods my car is ALL stock) what do u estimate the time to be?????

damn maybe 16's (just my guess)

Hey, that's not bad!! That's probably gonna put you in the low low 16's, maybe even into the 15's (just barely).

thats what i thought to. well thats good news and if i ever want to test it officially i can go the drag strip thats about 2 miles down the road:smoker:

Low 16's

I drove a 2000 z24 and got my ass whooped by a Mustang 5.0... the 5.0 will take the win, trust me.

What year 5.0?

5.0 is referring to the 302 ci. I think first year they put a 302 in a mustang was 1967.:)

Well yeah i knew that 5.0L were 302cid. Just wondering what the year of the Stang was b/c the HP was not all the same in the years the 5.0 was produced.

OH, DUH:rolleyes: I am paying attention now.

Thats ok, It was probably a low 90's year which the 5.0 had 205HP or the 5.0 HO had 225hp.

its a late 80's mustang not sure the exact year but it was an orignal stock 4banger and the guy is putting in a 5.0 v8.. not sure from what though:rolleyes: and ill actually be pretty suprised if he does it...but if does make the swap i wanna be ready for it!!!

Does anyone have any special tips for me on the start off the line?>?>?>?>? that seems to be my biggest concern at this point is to get a good start

Practice, Practice and Pracice your reaction time.

Yeah one word from a racer.....PRACTICE. It takes time and PRACTICE.

is there any tips on what to practice on (on take off) is there any special teq. that i need to know or is it just ragular driving and shifting ?

Your speed and acuracy on shifting is important. Not to miss any gears and have your good reaction time. I always think of practicing on the streets but be carfull of the cops. Try your reaction time out at the next stop light you come to and get your shifts down so that you can get through all 4 or how ever many there are fast.

is it better to get through all gears as fast as u can? cause when i run the 1/4 mile on the road by my house the highest i go is 3rd cause i just seems like i have better speed by the finish if i usually just go to 3rd or 4th?

Originally posted by Scott 02
What year 5.0?
89 i think

Your car makes max horsepower at 4000 rpm, and max torque at 5200 rpm( http://www.edmunds.com/used/1996/chevrolet/cavalier/13183/specs.html?tid=edmunds.u.prices.leftsidenav..6.Che vrolet* ). So if you get to the last hundred feet or so and you're at 4000, I would just stay in that gear, but if you're around 4500-4800, it might be better to go ahead and shift.

Someone with better racing experience may want to jump in here and correct me though. :p

is it better to get through all gears as fast as u can?

It is better and it matters on what ratio the gears are in your vehicle.


the highest i go is 3rd cause i just seems like i have better speed by the finish if i usually just go to 3rd or 4th?

There you go, your gear ratio in 3rd is a strong puller. Keep it in 3rd then if you feel it is better which probably is. With 3rd pulling as strong as it does, shifting into 4th might kill your speed.

ok thanks it would prolly help if i had a tach. right now im just going by sounds and i think i am best in 3rd maybe 4th. ill just hafta see what gets me better times:bloated:

Looking to do any upgrades with it in the near future?

well what kinda upgrades are u talking?---> engine, body,sound????
(I am planning one dpong some engine mods nothing real serious. but the normal I/H/E, spark plugs, body throttle) (Body: body kit, wing, new carbon fiber hood rims), (Sound: im putting in 2, 12" subs 800watt amp, cdplayer), (and just planning on painting parts of my interior white or silver) *** the sound will prolly come first though:smoka:
Here is a pic of it now nothing done the only thing that i have on it that isnt stock is seat covers, windshield wippers,stearing wheel cover and shift knob( all not in this pic)

Performance upgrades is what i was talking about. The things that you like to do with it sound good. Let me know what you end up doing performance wise.

will do:flash:

A cavy with that 110hp 2.2 liter. runs no faster than 16.5 in the manual. even if you have the ecotec i haven't seen a time faster than 16.3. is the 5.0 stock? he probably isn't considering the huge aftermarket support. theres no way you are going to come with in 4 car lengths of his rear bumper. You don't sound like you know much about the automotive world. don't even bother racing you will look real stupid...plus you said you are a new comer to racing.. you probably granny shift like a mother fucker. don't do it.. please.. i beg u... your gonna give cavys a bad name!

.. you probably granny shift like a mother fucker. don't do it.. please.. i beg u... your gonna give cavys a bad name!

Before flaming starts may i ask what the fuck do you know mugenrsx. I don't think you know shit about this at all. I believe that his Cavalier is capable of beating the stock 5.0 or the 5.0HO. Don't listen to him chevy freak, he is just blowing off crap he can't do himself.

ok first off......its not a stock 5.0....its a stock 1989 4cyl. and he is putting in a V-8 possibly a 5.0 and its nothing super charged or anything just a regular junk yard V-8 that needs fixed. 2nd the guy im racing is a good friend strictly for fun.....3rd i think you need to get off your high horse and stop making judgements about how i drive.(Granny shifting "hah" i doubt it... i can handle the stick like its an extension of my body....you'd be surprised) and all i have left to say is we'll see what the out come is cause i think i have a real chance at this guy(sorry for all you that think just because its a smaller engine its gonna lose)

No Flaming!
:flamer:

Just like I said John Thanks. :D :angryfire

Originally posted by Scott 02
hehe, rustangs. :) don't care much for them myself. I would love to see the cavy kick its butt.

same here ;o

Hey guys im not trying to start anything i just had to put in my mind. Thank you to all of you that support me

dude i thought you said it was a 5.0? anyways a 4cycle you will beat. i'm not flaming, i'm stating the truth. base cavaliers, in my opinion and due to their performance, are crap. its one thing if you bought it do get you around, its another if you bought it to race mustangs. Any 5.0 will take your car out stock or not. not because of displacment, because they make 200hp Vs. your 110, and a lot more torque. its all power to weight ratio. as for me beeting 5.0, its pretty easy when they are stock or slightly moded. obviously if they are all motor with 350 at the wheels then they will beet my Z24 as it is now. i run high 14's in the quarter mile. 5.0 range from mid 15's to mid 14's stock depending on years and what not. its all common sence. there is really no arguement.

Ok try this get a NOS kit and put slicks on the front and spank his ass.
A good 50hP shot of nos will make alot of difference.

Straight car wise against a mustang, you are at a disadvantage.

225@4000 HP
300@3000 Torque
7.2 0-60
15.77 1/4 Mile
3,335 lb Weight

vs

Horsepower 150 hp @ 5600 rpm
Torque 155 lb.-ft. @ 4400 rpm
0-60 8.3
1/4 16.17
Weight 2,676 lb

it when it comes down to it, it's all about the driver's skillz. I have actually seen a z24 destory a Mustang GT by 2 car lengths, so try it, you never know. :D

Does the 2.2L seriously run 16's? Cause I've driven a few of them and they seriously felt slower than anything I've ever driven. My Cutlass has a 5L with only about 170hp stock (maybe a few more cause I have an open element air cleaner and turbo muffler) and crappy 2.73 highway gears, but I'm guessing it runs low to mid 16's and racing a 2.2L Cav it will leave buslengths. I raced my friends 2.4L Sunfire from 55-115 and beat him by about 1 and a half cars. I thought the 2.2L's would be more like high 17's.

If anyone can clear this up, I'd like to know what a 2.4L and 2.2L with both auto and 5spd run in the 1/4. I really wanna find out what my car runs in the quarter but I have to wait until spring to take it to the track.

here ya go......this will help.....and Cavys will run low 16's with a good driver........ 1/4 mile times (http://www.geocities.com/edmodscarspecs/)

Then my car must be a hell of a lot faster than I thought. A monte carlo ss is basically my car with about 10hp more and 3.73 gears instead of 2.73 and they only run about mid 15's, so I figured I'd be in the low 16's.

The 2.2 over head cam cavy's in auto will run 17's, almost 18's. with a stick and some bolt ons maybe 16's. Now a 2.4 in auto will run mid 16's. the 5 soeed on the other hand has been proven time and time again to range from 15.6-15.8. Some have gotten 15.4 with just an intake. I have a g-tech pro and some think its acurate and others don't, but i know a kid that took it to the track with him and it was only off by a hundreth of a second. on my g-tech, with shitty stock tires in the rain costing after i hit 70 i got a time of 15.02 second in the 1/4. so i'm sure if i didn't have to slip it a shit load, and i kept into it i could have easily gotten a 14.8. i feel thats even a bit high. For mods i have 62mm TB and ported intake manifold, AEM short ram intake, AEM alternator pulley, Venom fuel rail, fuel pressure regulator( set at stock at the moment), cat back exhaust, short shifter and apexi super AFC air/fuel controller. At the track i'll bet 100 bucks i'll get a 14.6.... By summer i would like to have a full exhaust and fuel system with the GM super charger. Which i should be hitting 13's with. perhaps by the end of the summer i'd like to wrap it up having a LSD,flywheel, and clutch and perhaps forced induction cams. Then i'd run a dry 50 shot and 12's would be enough for me.

How is the after market support for those? Can you get a lot of power from those 305's? i was thinking of starting a new project over the next winter with either a monte SS or my cousins 86 GTA he's selling for 3,500. If not i was gonna buy a W4 HO quad 4 motor and rebuild it for NA purposes with high compresion pistons and nasty cams and p&P job. It would be some shit to have a 250hp all motor Z24 singing at 8 grand while doing 130. I'm shipping my ecu out next week to have that fuckin governor removed and have the limiters raised.

mugenrsx, those times sound a lot more like what I'd expect. So I'm guessing I am in the low-mid 16's judging by my race with the 2.4 auto. The aftermarket for the 305 is okay, not as good as the 350. You can make decent power out of them but they are usually looked on as a crappy motor since you can make more power out a 350 for less money. There are a lot of people lately that are doing up 305's just to prove what they can do though.

Sounds like your 2.4 is doing pretty good. How well do those engines hold up under abuse? I tend to shy away from 4 cylinders since they seem to wear out a lot faster with all the rpm's they have to wind up to make power. I've got 135k on my 305 and it doesn't leak or use any oil yet. I'm expecting 2-300k out of it.

hahahaha....forget it.....your talking a low 100's hp, FWD car versus a 225hp RWD v8....and stock mid 80's auto tranny stangs run mid-high 14's...with a 5speed mid-low 14's.....and if its a FOX body....even more of an asswhipping...and besides who has a stock 5.0 mustang anymore besides old people who won't race anyway.....:o

Originally posted by mugenrsx
as for me beeting 5.0, its pretty easy when they are stock or slightly moded. obviously if they are all motor with 350 at the wheels then they will beet my Z24 as it is now. i run high 14's in the quarter mile. 5.0 range from mid 15's to mid 14's stock depending on years and what not. its all common sence. there is really no arguement. [/B]

Dude you didnt just say that and believe it did you??? I stang will crush you stock(5-speed) or modded(little or not)!! Ive never seen a GT run in the 15's, check your stats again!!