2002 CL-S or 2002 MAXIMA ????

OK The Max is faster thanks type-S for post what they run stock. I didn't realize they where so light. The navi cls is 3525lbs and the max is 3275lbs in gle trim.

One question though. Did you leave it in D5 or put it in man mode.

Just for the record I haven't alway hated Nissan and that might change whenb the Z comes out. Unless Honda makes something better. :D

Originally posted by joeB
I agree with you that Car&Driver is the better magazine, ( I
have stacks of them since 1988). I dont think its that much
better than Motor Trend. If you want to know why I think the
Maxima is better here are some- 7 years best V-6 in a row,
more room, better looks. I think the Maxima is faster too.
My point Im trying to make is in 95 when the VQ came out,
there where just about no other car class and price range that
could touch it, luxury or performance. But now today there is...
My other reason why I think that its "probably" better is I have
a 98 Maxima SE that has 181,000 miles, and Ive only had to put
tires and brakes front and back one time. (Its probably about due
for new ones soon),. Also a tuneup at 110,000, oil changes ect...
and it still run like it was new. Those are my opionions why I
think its better, and that still doesnt make it so, thats just my
opinion, everyone each to their own. But lets all be honest here,
the Max is faster as of now, but I do think when the Acura gets its
6-speed it will be faster. Honda would be my next pick, but I like
Nissan better for overall quality and performace...Sorry for this being
so long guys, and dont let it get to you so much what people say in here.:)

Opinions are never right nor wrong. I can better understand why you think Maxima is the better car now that I see your reasonings.

i'm guessing here but i think the cl-s and tl-s are going to have a lot more aftermarket parts than the maxima, simply b/c it's an acura/honda so anyone who is planning on fully modding their car may want to take that into consideration also, don't get me wrong though, the max has more aftermarket than a lot of people realize, you just really have to look for them

CL and TL doesn't have the usual Honda Aftermarket support.

Originally posted by F20C
CL and TL doesn't have the usual Honda Aftermarket support. Nissan/Stillen Acura/Comptech. I know what you mean. :cry:

comptech is developing a supercharger for the type-S and will be available by teh time the 03 comes out. I'm pretty sure that stillen makes one for the Max.

Yes I know Comptech has SC coming out since they show the prototype at SEMA. However think about this CL Type S already has 260 hp powering the Front Wheels. Torque steer is going to be a major problem unless Acura shifts to RWD.

The current car has 260 and there is no torque steer what so ever. Thats one of the advantages for double wishbone suspension. I don't think the sc will make a differance in that traction on the other hand will be a different story. BTW the 6 spd will have a limited slip diff.

If you pay close attention you can feel some torque steer on CL Type S. However I don't think Double wishbone will be enough to save a 350 hp FWD car. 350 hp is just a estimation of what the SC should put out on Type S.

89lxihb 00lude i can't belive you said that a prelude handles better then a silvia. if you haven't noticed we're talkin about the j spec turbo charge SR20DET powered silvia. those will blow any prelude away. they run 0-60 in the upper 5's and they are RWD drift machines. now for the NSX being better then the Skyline? i don't know what yoru seeing but every issue that i've seen, and every bestmotoring international that i've seen (best japanese auto video magazine out) i've seen the skyline keep up neck to neck with a 420 hp porsche 996 all wheel drive. the time difference between them at the race was only.15 seconds difference. the evo 7 would be right behind the GT-R, and guess what? the NSX was around 2 second behind. i wonder why? maybe its csue its a overpriced car? its 90gs. and the GT-R is 50G's in japan. yes i do admit that the NSX is faster on the straights, but try puttin allt hat power to the ground with a MR compared to a 4WD car. its totally different. and in the other best motoring international that i saw, where it was all the european super cars, vs. japan. there was the ferrari F50, F40, F355, lambourgini diablo SV, porches GT3, GT2, and guess what car they picked to represent japan? it sure as hell wasn't a NSX it was a GT-R v spec I. well it didnt do too well, but it almost beat the F355. and if it was a V-spec II (that wans' out at the tiem the video was released) then it would've definitly beaten the F355. and don't you notice in japan who drives hondas? mostly old ladies or office workers. who drives nissans? hardcore highway battlers, and drifters. nuff said, the japanese knows whats fast and whats not, and nissan is the shit in japan.

taz I'm not talking power, that has nothing to do with handling. Drifting is not the fastest way around a corner. It's needed for cars that can't take the corner at speed w/o understeering. So you swing the tail out and use the throtle to get you around. That's why you don't see drifting in competion, it just looks cool thats it. As for the NSX being over priced. Have you ever seen one in person it's an exotic. To it's handmade aluminum chassis and body to the hand sewn leather seats. The skyline doesn't compare in handling neither. If you ever watch the JGTC the skylines don't say in the corners they just have a huge advanage in power. The MR design is perfect balance AWD is just a crutch for poorly balanced car, unless like in rallies tracion is limited. Don't get me wrong I like the GTR for what it is a road eating BEAST!! :devil: But I tend to like finese over brute power. BTW the R32 is the best looking GTR, not counting the new concept that really looks hot!

TATII if you driven NSX you will know why it's better than Skyline.

Same goes for the Maxima, if you drive one, you will

know its better than a Honda Accord, Toyota Camry,

Avalon, and Acura CL and the Type S. , people just

may not want to admit it...........:cry: :wave:

joe I would hope its better than teh accord it's 28K accords only 24k. Even if it is faster than the tl or cl it's doesn't hold up in EVERYTHING else.

89lxihb 00lude yes i have seen a NSX up close, my friend owns a 95 Type T. and its been sooo perfectly maintained and even the side intakes are dust free. it was abosulely gorgious. but if i feel that way about a NSX is person, what makes you think that i won't feel even more excited if i were to ever see a GT-R in person. plus that reason why the GT-R is not all that great in the JTTC is becasue its made into a RWD, due to restictions. in my opinion, even though i don't think that i will ever get a chance of drivin either a GT-R or a NSX, i think the GT-R would be the ultimate street car from the land of the rising sun.

I thought the skylines in the Japanese Gran Touring Chapionship were still AWD. The skyline may be better on the street because of the torque and tracion, but the NSX on the race track would be untouchable. The NSX when not driving at 100% is as drivable as a honda accord, where the GTR would still feel like a monster.

Could you tell me where the Maxima doesnt hold up?

:rolleyes:

handling even though lighter
luxury cheap leather
resale
quality

NSX is known as Japanese Ferrari. People know NSX as the fastest sportscar to come from Japan.

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
handling even though lighter
luxury cheap leather
resale
quality

You have no Idea what your talking about when it

comes to talking about Maximas, why dont you do

more research before talking about cars.

Handling for a 4 door is very good

there isnt any Cheap leather,

and there is just as good resale if not better.

:rolleyes:

I sell cars bud I see people in maximas all the time.

okay now F20c. the NSX is known as a japanese ferrari becusae it is like a ferrari. but only that its made in japan. its a exotic car, with its MR lay out and its slow CG. however, the GT-R is beleived by many the fastest and most advance car to ever come out of japan. why do you think its got the nick name of "godzilla"? and what about all those legendary stories about its invinciblilty? i've never heard of any legends behind the NSX. plus you should really go watch some BESTMOTORING international videos. they race the top JDM's against the fastest cars in the world. stock for stock. they are all retired or is still pro drivers. in fact keichi the drift king is drivin for them, and he drives the Arta NSX in the JTTC. if you noticed that in every since video of a race. the NSX never beats the skyline. in fact its usualy a 1.5 behind or maybe alittle more. the only time we're i have seen the NSX beat the GT-R in that video was the episode where they were against a F355, and the F550. and that was in SUZUKA. during scorchin hot weather. from every episdoe that i see. the top cars in japan is the GT-R, the EVO and the NSX type S zero. but guess what? the NSX is usually pretty damn far behind the 4WD powerhouses. its usually the EVO or the GT-R thats fighting for 1st, 2nd or 3rd. the average rank that the NSX always ranks in that video mag is 4thish 5thish. now does that mean its the fastest car to come out of japan? noooo but that does still make it a japanese exotic? yes. and trust me, a GT-R will beat a F355 at the track. and i've seen it beat a F360 but a good 1.5 seconds again.

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
handling even though lighter
luxury cheap leather
resale
quality

--i think handling is a toss up, keep in mind an SE handles differently than a GLE max
--cheap leather, wrong, Nissan changed leather companies from 2k1-2k2, the 2k2 is thicker, not as soft but has a higher quality feel, but it depends on the person
--resale, i have to agree with you there, Acura has the name, reliability has little to do with the resale on the Maximas, it's more to do with the popularity of Nissan vs. the populrity of Acura
--quality, dead wrong, you can't say either is, it depends on what part of the car you're talking about, for example, the quality o the max tranny is much better than the cl-s', and the cl-s' paint is much higher quality than the max's; overall i think the max is of higher quality than the cl-s, but again it depends on what aspects of each car are most important to the owner

What kinda dealership do you work at Acura?

If your talking about people trading in Maximas

or anything else people arent gonna get what their

car is worth, see how dealers try to cheat everyone that

walks in for a new car. What Maximas Ive seen around

have held up exellent, and many magazines have said that

the leather has held up alot better than other cars, really I

dont care, cause I really dont like leather. The prices at

the local Nissan dealer here are asking almost new prices

for 99s and 2000 and 2001s , I think thats kinda high, but

I think so for any car that is 2 or 3 years old. :)

Originally posted by mattattax


--i think handling is a toss up, keep in mind an SE handles differently than a GLE max
--cheap leather, wrong, Nissan changed leather companies from 2k1-2k2, the 2k2 is thicker, not as soft but has a higher quality feel, but it depends on the person
--resale, i have to agree with you there, Acura has the name, reliability has little to do with the resale on the Maximas, it's more to do with the popularity of Nissan vs. the populrity of Acura
--quality, dead wrong, you can't say either is, it depends on what part of the car you're talking about, for example, the quality o the max tranny is much better than the cl-s', and the cl-s' paint is much higher quality than the max's; overall i think the max is of higher quality than the cl-s, but again it depends on what aspects of each car are most important to the owner

Well said.....Your exactly right!:D

Originally posted by TatII
okay now F20c. the NSX is known as a japanese ferrari becusae it is like a ferrari. but only that its made in japan. its a exotic car, with its MR lay out and its slow CG. however, the GT-R is beleived by many the fastest and most advance car to ever come out of japan. why do you think its got the nick name of "godzilla"? and what about all those legendary stories about its invinciblilty? i've never heard of any legends behind the NSX. plus you should really go watch some BESTMOTORING international videos. they race the top JDM's against the fastest cars in the world. stock for stock. they are all retired or is still pro drivers. in fact keichi the drift king is drivin for them, and he drives the Arta NSX in the JTTC. if you noticed that in every since video of a race. the NSX never beats the skyline. in fact its usualy a 1.5 behind or maybe alittle more. the only time we're i have seen the NSX beat the GT-R in that video was the episode where they were against a F355, and the F550. and that was in SUZUKA. during scorchin hot weather. from every episdoe that i see. the top cars in japan is the GT-R, the EVO and the NSX type S zero. but guess what? the NSX is usually pretty damn far behind the 4WD powerhouses. its usually the EVO or the GT-R thats fighting for 1st, 2nd or 3rd. the average rank that the NSX always ranks in that video mag is 4thish 5thish. now does that mean its the fastest car to come out of japan? noooo but that does still make it a japanese exotic? yes. and trust me, a GT-R will beat a F355 at the track. and i've seen it beat a F360 but a good 1.5 seconds again.

Yes I do know about bestmotoring however I never take those comparison into much consideration. The skills those people possese is not what you and I know of. NSX is easily the easiest car to drive near it's potential. Stock GT-R have no chance against F360. If you are talking about modify then that's different story. NSX Type S Zero is still the fastest car to ever come out of Japan. The fastest modify car in Japan belongs to FD3S I think.

oooh trust me i've seen it done and the GT-R stock beat out the F360 modena and was neck to neck with the porsche 996 turbo with 420hp. it cornered much much faster then the porsche. and the time differecen between them was .15 seconds. if you do'tn believe me spend $30 on the volume at www.zigzagasia.com

actually heres a more direct link and see the NSX get murdered. actually i see it get beaten in many many videos. lolz http://www.bestmotoringvideo.com/

ok bud look in the NADA book.

as for the trans problem I agree there is a problem but only a couple have had it. The problem is only in the S. The S and the premium have the same trans and never had a premuin (225hp) come in. I think that the trans can't take the extra power. I hate the auto anyway can't wait for the 6 speed.

ok you maxima guys love your cars just as much as us honda guys so I give up trying to talk you into the honda/acuras. I can't sell you anything you want just come and see me. :D What I do like about Nissan is their going to start the performance revolution. I'm just disappointed that Honda has such a conservative approach. Honda performance will increase but they wan't to make sure that what people want first. Look at it however you want but Honda sells alot more cars then Nissan just something to think about.

I wasn't talking about the breaking tranny, I meant the lag between shifts and the overal feel of how it shifts.

"Look at it however you want but Honda sells alot more cars than Nissan just something to think about."

Please... Ford and Chevy sell more than Honda and Nissan combined, are you trying to say a Ford or Chevy is of higher quality than a Honda or Nissan, your comment has no pith and no basis in judging a car company's worth. But nice try ;)

If I remember right if you take their trucks out of teh equation the numbers would be pitiful. Besides where talking about American car companies. No matter how bad teh quaility they will still sell tons of cars because it's "american made". Shoot half the American cars are made in other countries anyway and a good number of foreign car companies are built in the USA.

BTW don't take anything personal I just like to argue. ;)

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
BTW don't take anything personal I just like to argue. ;)

Me too, I think auto froums need to be more diverse, there are a few members at maxima.org that don't drive maximas and i think it betters the forum and i wish ther were more there to put up good honest arguments with opinions but all opinions based on fact

that's a good point about American car companies, but why don't Hondas/Acuras have much of an overseas market, most of what they sell is here in the states

What a lame BS stock vs stock GT-R has no chance against F360 Modena and 991 Turbo.

Originally posted by mattattax




that's a good point about American car companies, but why don't Hondas/Acuras have much of an overseas market, most of what they sell is here in the states

Honda still sell very well overseas they just don't sell the street machines like everyone else. They sell mostly family cars.

its not a lame bs. go check out the video. keichi was in the gt-r, gan san is in the porsche, and nakaiya is in the evo 7. and hitori was in the F360. heh buy the video, it would open up your eyes.

and i forgot to mention this part. the reason why the gt-r and the evo beat the F360 was becuase the startin grid position started this way. it went by cost and value of the car. soooo the 1st was evo 7, second was gt-r, 3rd corvette C51, 4th NSX type S zero, 5th F360, 6th 996 turbo. but honestly, the nsx never had a chance. it never gained position, it just kept on being pulled away, farther adn farther and farther. but it did finsih 4th. here are the results, 996 turbo, gt-r, evo 7, nsx, F360, corvette.

I take the video like a grain of salt. First it doesn't even show the car's real characteristic. List goes from the fastest to slowest car.

911 Turbo
F360 Modena
NSX Type S Zero
Lancer GSR Evolution 7
Skyline GT-R V Spec II

I think the Skyline is to overrated by some people.

To bad its ugly and has a weird name.:(

EDIT: Bah, nevermind.

Well its true. it is ugly.

i woudlnt say its overrated, but rather how its been built. An Inline six that has the possibility to make over 1000 horses. i personally put that car into my dream car category, but hey .. watever makes ya happy.