The pointlessness of college

We all know college is pointless. But to what extent is it pointless? Is it utterly pointless for the person who can't get into an Ivy League and doesn't want to be a doctor, teacher, lawyer, engineer, etc.?

Then again, a lot of jobs require a BA just to get an interview. So has the bachelor's degree become the new high school diploma, in a way? Only the nerdiest of the nerdy can do EE, only evil people go to law school, only morons become teachers, etc., so where does that leave the rest of us? And how do you think society's perception of higher education will change in the coming decades?:2cents:

Just so you know, a Bachelor of Arts in NZ is considered a joke degree, a waste of time only used as an excuse to go to uni.

Hence, why I'm doing a BSc :P


You don't need college to succeed.

you can do a trade, psychology, or find something that doesn't require a college diploma/degree.

btw what do you mean by EE? Electrical Engineering? if so, i'm in it right now and i'm not what you'd call nerdy.

you can do a trade, psychology, or find something that doesn't require a college diploma/degree.

btw what do you mean by EE? Electrical Engineering? if so, i'm in it right now and i'm not what you'd call nerdy.

You still have the brain of a nerd though.

I agree that the value of a bachelors degree is perhaps not what it was 10-15 years ago, but imo the real value of the college experience is what you learn outside the classroom. When I was at school, I learned a ton about myself and the people around me. I do value my degree (BS Business Admin), but I value the developmental skills I gained along the way.

But I pose this question: If you equate a bachelors degree nowdays to what a HS diploma was 15 years ago, then is dropping out of college now the same as dropping out of high school 15 years ago?

But I pose this question: If you equate a bachelors degree nowdays to what a HS diploma was 15 years ago, then is dropping out of college now the same as dropping out of high school 15 years ago?

More like 50 years ago, but I'd say so.

Interesting. I know some HS dropouts and some college dropouts and now that I think about it, I'm actally inclined to agree with that. There are exceptions for everything of course, but in general I doo see a similar mentalit in the people I know that dropped out. Of course, the ones that actually finished high school are doing considerably better than those that left college.

Of course, the ones that actually finished high school are doing considerably better than those that left college.

The people that finished high school 50 years ago or 15 years ago?

The worth of further education is what you put into it.
If you think it is pointless then that indicates your level of interest in persuing it.
As the saying (kinda) goes, you can take a horse to water but you can't make him think.
What interests me is your obssession with labels; what is a nerdy brain?

The people that finished high school 50 years ago or 15 years ago?
The people I know that should have finished HS almost 10 years ago. But I'd also apply that statement to HS grads vs non-grads in general. The stats don't lie. You are severely shortchanging yourself if you don't at least get a HS diploma nowdays

What interests me is your obssession with labels; what is a nerdy brain?
lol that's what i was thinking. does it mean i'm not a complete dumbass and actually understand stuff? because i do. if it means that i spend alot of time doing "techy" stuff or whatever, i can assure you that i don't. i spend most of my free time either training for the rowing season or rowing on my university's varsity team.

i know alot of people who either dropped out of university, high school, or finished their degree (all kinds of different ones from arts to engineering) and on average the people who dropped out of high school make less than the people who finished HS, the people who dropped out of uni make less than the people who finished.

lots of high school dropouts that i know are working two jobs and can barely pay their bills. the uni dropouts are usually working entry level jobs, although some are doing ok with some good jobs making a decent ammount of money (but not something you could raise a family with). and i'd say that the vast majority of people with degrees or college diplomas are making significantly more than the people without one.

so sure, the degree might not be as usefull as before, you might not get an awesome job with just any old degree, but they WILL get you more cash.

I think it's not so much the education the system may or may not provide, more that it is an indication of the level of commitment of the individual.
If you don't have the stamina to go through it all, what does that say about you?

The other point is; if what you want to do requires you to have a certain amount of study under your belt, no matter if it is relevent or not, are you going to not do it?

I think it's not so much the education the system may or may not provide, more that it is an indication of the level of commitment of the individual. i think that point is especially relevant in countries with subsidised post-secondary education. in canada, a year of arts at my university costs about $4,500, about $5,500 after books and fees. in the states it's rediculously expensive so it's more understandable to avoid post secondary but it will be a definite asset on your resume to have. high school is a bare minimum requirement IMO though.

so sure, the degree might not be as usefull as before, you might not get an awesome job with just any old degree, but they WILL get you more cash.

That's the part I'm questioning. If you have a major with classes full of girls and football players, the likelihood of pointlessness becomes very, very high.:2cents:

the likelihood of it being less of an asset is higher but you will still have a better chance of getting a better job. also, i find it interesting that you assume jocks and girls are less intelligent then fat lazy men.

also, most degrees still take a good ammount of work to complete. dumb people are less likely to make it through (although it's not uncommon that they do). the people that make it through are usually at least somewhat intelligent or can at least work a bit hard.

The other major thing that a university/college education gives you is useful networking even before you're qualified to do anything.
Nepotism is a great thing and opens many doors.
It doesn't guarantee anything as ultimately it's up to you to get inside those doors and stay there but I'd be lying if I said it doesn't make a difference.

That's the part I'm questioning. If you have a major with classes full of girls and football players, the likelihood of pointlessness becomes very, very high.:2cents:

That's just stereotyping at its best.

It's evident that you either consider yourself above getting an education or that you are true to your screen name and are too lazy to put the effort in to get something out of it.

Most football players in college are actually reasonably smart and have to put just as much effort into their education as anybody else. They may tend to take majors more in line with business or other administrative fields, but they also have to rely on their time in college off the field to get into a decent job after college. Last I checked, 'outside linebacker' doesn't get you too many jobs outside of college unless you've made it into the NFL.

also, most degrees still take a good ammount of work to complete. dumb people are less likely to make it through (although it's not uncommon that they do). the people that make it through are usually at least somewhat intelligent or can at least work a bit hard.

You're in EE, you do roughly 69 gazillion times more work than the typical college student. You're a minority, only like 12% of degrees are in the sciences, probably only half of that for engineering. You do so, so, so much more work than all the girls in sweatpants in psych101. This thread is about college in general, not l337 kids like you.

I say, if you find yourself in a class that has a high female percentage and you still can't see the point, then well.... you're definitely missing something.

I say, if you find yourself in a class that has a high female percentage and you still can't see the point, then well.... you're definitely missing something.

I have been known to get laid

I say, if you find yourself in a class that has a high female percentage and you still can't see the point, then well.... you're definitely missing something.

amen brother

You're in EE, you do roughly 69 gazillion times more work than the typical college student. You're a minority, only like 12% of degrees are in the sciences, probably only half of that for engineering. You do so, so, so much more work than all the girls in sweatpants in psych101. This thread is about college in general, not l337 kids like you.
well being an engineer, i'm a pompous asshole and hate everything artsie or anything less than engineering (if you're ever on campus during frosh week you'll know what i'm talking about.) and it's going to hurt me alot to say this, but artsies also have to work alot. a friend of mine is doing 2 courses and he's usually got a novel to read and understand every week and a paper to write about it.

as for the work i do, you'd probably laugh if you saw how little i do. sure some people do alot of work and get really high marks or are just scraping by, but i do shit all and get middle of the range marks.

anyways i've got a few links that'll show the usefullness of education:

(PDF) http://www.glencoe.com/sec/socialstudies/economics/econprinciples2001/pdfs/C01-04C-820487.pdf
http://www.nccp.org/publications/pub_685.html

if you want more proof, just google "education, income" and i'm sure you'll find alot of stuff to show you.

I have been known to get laid

this is the internet; pics or it never happened.

well being an engineer, i'm a pompous asshole and hate everything artsie or anything less than engineering

so do architects get you all confused then?

what do you think is more likely to get you laid? "i'm a highschool/college dropout" or "I'm on my way to earning an engineering degree and i just made the finals at provincials in rowing this year."

so do architects get you all confused then?
ARCHITECTS DON'T KNOW WTF THEY'RE DOING!!!!

they just design something, then give it to us engineers, who actually know how to build buildings, and tell us to make it work. then we sign the design and get the big paycheck. but some of the stuff they try to do just doesn't make sense and should get them shot. if you ever want to see a crazy turk, try talking to a friend of mine's dad (a civil engineer) about architects

if you want more proof, just google "education, income" and i'm sure you'll find alot of stuff to show you.

Yeah, I know about that data, I took sociology in high school. It tends to be skewed though by the fact that l337 nerds get high paying jobs straight out of school. It doesn't tend to specifically address the sweatpant-wearing girl with a psych degree.

As for you doing nothing, it might be because you knew your shit beforehand. Some kids struggle with math and can fritter away hours trying to understand the shit. I'm in CS and it's an unwritten rule that we know everything before the first day of class, as it is not the business of professors to teach it to us.

ARCHITECTS DON'T KNOW WTF THEY'RE DOING!!!!

they just design something, then give it to us engineers, who actually know how to build buildings, and tell us to make it work. then we sign the design and get the big paycheck. but some of the stuff they try to do just doesn't make sense and should get them shot. if you ever want to see a crazy turk, try talking to a friend of mine's dad (a civil engineer) about architects

ouch.
On the other hand, you should hear what architects have to say about engineers....
Having spent 3 years on a campus that housed the civil engineers, structural engineers, landscape architects, architects and QS guys, nights at the bar were heated to say the least.

haha yeah i've gotten into a few of those arguments, it'll be interesting once i switch to civil engineering (known around here as engineering for dummies), i'll probably have an even stronger oppinion about it.

all things aside though, those fuckers work hard as hell. there's a bridge/tunnel from 3rd floor eng building to 4th floor architect building (which is the worst designed building on campus btw) and you'll often see architects sleeping there with a sign on them saying "wake me up at 5:30" or something like that. it's a heated tunnel so it's nice to sleep in apparently.

and lazy ass, what do you mean by the data's skewed by the fact that "l337 nerds" get jobs straight out whereas others don't? i believe they get their data from employed people, meaning that it would be an accurate representation of the field.

beef burrito, please stop giving engineers a poor name, reading your description of yourself makes me think you're in the minority of engineers.
What field of engineering are you going into anyhow?

If it's EE, I don't see what you have to do with architects - you guys don't come into the picture until it's too late and end up making a lot of compromises and taking shortcuts because the civil guys blew the budget :lol:

As for architects - I have to agree with you - they know how to make a pretty sketch but have little concept of how the sketch becomes reality.

. I'm in CS and it's an unwritten rule that we know everything before the first day of class, as it is not the business of professors to teach it to us.

That goes for any good school, the engineering school I went to was the same - the professors weren't there to teach us the work, they were there to answer questions when they came up.

That goes for any good school, the engineering school I went to was the same - the professors weren't there to teach us the work, they were there to answer questions when they came up.

I don't go to a good school.

beef burrito, please stop giving engineers a poor name, reading your description of yourself makes me think you're in the minority of engineers.
it's just something i've developed from being at my school. the engineering community here has been discriminated against alot by the student associations and whatnot and in response we've become pompous, apathetic, assholes. it's mostly in jest towards regular students but not so much when it comes to the associations and whatnot.
What field of engineering are you going into anyhow? I'm in EE at the moment but i can't stand it so i'm switching into civil.

That goes for any good school, the engineering school I went to was the same - the professors weren't there to teach us the work, they were there to answer questions when they came up. here they talk at you and expect you to understand everything the first time around. you get some good profs that explain well and will answer questions well but you also get a high percentage of ESL (english as a second language) profs who can barely speak the language (especially in electrical, the TA's are especially bad for that) and it makes class almost useless to me.

I'm in EE at the moment but i can't stand it so i'm switching into civil.

I thought it was extremely easy and you hardly did any work? WHEN WILL YOUR LIES END, BOURITO?:runaround:

I don't go to a good school.

So, in that you're saying you expect to be spoon fed and catered to? ;)

PM me your name and school so if you come for a job interview with me I know who you are.

Honestly I don't think not going to a "good school" is an excuse. I went to Florida A&M University which I'm sure none of you have ever heard of, nor do I expect you to ever hear of it. The program I was in had an excellent reputation when I entered, but administrative problems plagued us for the last 3 years of my time and it went way down. But still, I think I got an excellent all-around education there.

We are in the same city as Florida State University (top 25 ranked school I believe), and I have many friends that graduated from there but are struggling to find good jobs. I graduated from a "lesser" school yet a great job found me within 2 months of graduation. As was said before, school is what you make it. Don't let your school's problems become your problems.

So, in that you're saying you expect to be spoon fed and catered to? ;)

PM me your name and school so if you come for a job interview with me I know who you are.

No, but I often find myself asking myself when I was supposed to learn something, since that time was evidently before now, and it wasn't in any class I've ever taken. But then again, my school sucks:wink:

Studying your vocation at College or University is an absolute privilege.

Don't let the opportunity pass you by would be my advice to myself 5 years ago.

Unfortunately I left, and I've studied a wide range of things since then and worked in my chosen field, but I'll probably have to go back and study nights and weekends instead of full time to finish my degree.

I found a completely different experience in college, completely the opposite of the OP. Undergrad and Law School were perhaps the two best investments of my life. I don't even mean just because of the monetary return, which is very significant, but there is also the experience I had there. My seven years in college were far more meaningful to me then any material belonging I own, including my home and my car. I met many of my best friends in college and the way I think is completely different because of those years of my life. I wouldn't give those years back for anything. The person I am today is in large part a product of my college education. My views on life, philosophy, politics, society, family, friends, and even sports (go Zags, go Colonials) has been changed by college.

I was originally rather offended that anyone could feel this way about something I found so important, but now I feel mostly sad that the OP either had a bad experience or has yet to experience college. The people, the knowledge, and the entire atmosphere of college is perhaps more worthwhile then the pay differential. Even if all you care about is the money and you don't care about any of the other stuff as I did, a business degree can do wage wonders for just about anyone compared to just a high school degree.

Oh, Lawyers are evil? Everyone says that until they need one. Stupid stereotype.

I thought it was extremely easy and you hardly did any work? WHEN WILL YOUR LIES END, BOURITO?:runaround: hahaha, just because i CAN do something doesn't mean i WANT to do it. i can program better than alot of the people i know in my program, but i hate doing it. it's just so boring to me, and it's a large part of my job should i choose to stay in this. the other thing is that the high tech industry isn't a place i want to be. my dad works in it and i want to be as far away from it as possible.

and i completely agree with what was said above. in only one and a half years in university i've already grown tremendously and i wouldn't trade that for the world. had i not gone to university and gone straight into the workforce i would not be anything close to the person i am today.

Oh, Lawyers are evil? Everyone says that until they need one. Stupid stereotype.

A necessary evil, but an evil nonetheless :icon16:

I found a completely different experience in college, completely the opposite of the OP. Undergrad and Law School were perhaps the two best investments of my life. I don't even mean just because of the monetary return, which is very significant, but there is also the experience I had there. My seven years in college were far more meaningful to me then any material belonging I own, including my home and my car. I met many of my best friends in college and the way I think is completely different because of those years of my life. I wouldn't give those years back for anything. The person I am today is in large part a product of my college education. My views on life, philosophy, politics, society, family, friends, and even sports (go Zags, go Colonials) has been changed by college.

I was originally rather offended that anyone could feel this way about something I found so important, but now I feel mostly sad that the OP either had a bad experience or has yet to experience college. The people, the knowledge, and the entire atmosphere of college is perhaps more worthwhile then the pay differential. Even if all you care about is the money and you don't care about any of the other stuff as I did, a business degree can do wage wonders for just about anyone compared to just a high school degree.

Oh, Lawyers are evil? Everyone says that until they need one. Stupid stereotype.

Some schools have shit atmospheres though. I've visited friends at all sorts of colleges. In some, your hallmates are like your family, ushering you to the coolest parties ever and giving you beers to chug. In others, living in the dorms is like having a shitty apartment with a shared bathroom. My college experience has hardly been sad. My post was about the institution as a whole and its meaning to society, not about my individual experiences. I indeed learned a lot about a vast array of topics within and without the classroom, but I'm not impressionable enough to have my personality be shaped by a bunch of random experiences.

And yes, you are probably evil dude. You could have put your mind towards anything. You chose the law, and I don't blame you. It's the highest paid and easiest to get professional degree.:2cents:

Some schools have shit atmospheres though. I've visited friends at all sorts of colleges. In some, your hallmates are like your family, ushering you to the coolest parties ever and giving you beers to chug. In others, living in the dorms is like having a shitty apartment with a shared bathroom. My college experience has hardly been sad. My post was about the institution as a whole and its meaning to society, not about my individual experiences. I indeed learned a lot about a vast array of topics within and without the classroom, but I'm not impressionable enough to have my personality be shaped by a bunch of random experiences.

And yes, you are probably evil dude. You could have put your mind towards anything. You chose the law, and I don't blame you. It's the highest paid and easiest to get professional degree.:2cents:

You gave absolutely no reasons why college is pointless in your first post. You simply said, "we all know." That isn't an argument, it isn't anything. We don't "all know." Actually, pretty much everyone has disagreed with you. So "we all" is actually just you.

A BA is indeed the new HS diploma. You'll have a hard time getting any decent job without one and society is better of for it. Someone with a BA is indeed smarter, or has at least displayed some greater level of work ethic then a HS grad. Absolutely everyone should go to undergrad because of this if they can. You would be a fool not to. This point of view alone gives reason to higher education and does not take away from college at all.

You arn't impressionable enough to be shaped by your experiences? I'm sorry, but I wouldn't believe this from anyone. Absolutely everyone is in part a result of their pasts. You can't get around it. You don't need a psychology or philosophy degree to know that. Don't kid yourself.

If you don't like the environment at a school, don't go there. There are hundreds of other ones to choose from. Evidently you liked some.

Finally, give up on your rediculous stereotypes. Only nerds are engineers, only morons are teachers, all lawyers are evil... Its almost like being racist, except with careers rather then nationality. Someone is necessarily a nerd if he is an engineer? Come on, get out in the world and meet some. Teachers are morons? Much of the factual information you have today comes from those "morons." What does that say about you? What in the world makes you think that the practice of law is evil? Is it the money? What about all the lawyers that work for the government making $40-50k a year and can hardly pay off their college loans? Doctors can make just as much money as lawyers, are they evil too? In no way is it necessarly the highest paid profession. I've known good lawyers and I've known bad lawyers, just as I've known smart teachers and less then smart teachers, just as I've known nerdy engineers and rather social, athletic engineers. A career is what you make of it, just as college is.

The problem isn't college, its you and your attitude towards it.

Engineering major at a community college right now. I dont have anything bad to say aobut it. I started off at a University (#1 party school in america actaully) and the aprty got to me. Dropped out, became a mechanic figuing that would be the bees knees. It wasn't. Skilled labor SUCKS. It a lot easier to use your brain instead of your body.

So im back in school. 23 and a half year old sophomore. Sucks but i made my bed now i must sleep in it. The stereotypes of all engineers are nerds and all jocks are idiots whatnot is so wrong, its not even funny. Our engineering floor had the craziest parties, and we were getting laid on a regular basis, don't you worry. Work hard party hard, right? And i met a lot of the jocks that were really smart and cool guys, a couple of them actually in the engineering majors (two of them are bodybuilders!)

You gave absolutely no reasons why college is pointless in your first post. You simply said, "we all know." That isn't an argument, it isn't anything. We don't "all know." Actually, pretty much everyone has disagreed with you. So "we all" is actually just you.
It's not my problem you're in denial.

You arn't impressionable enough to be shaped by your experiences? I'm sorry, but I wouldn't believe this from anyone. Absolutely everyone is in part a result of their pasts. You can't get around it. You don't need a psychology or philosophy degree to know that. Don't kid yourself.
ok

Someone is necessarily a nerd if he is an engineer? Come on, get out in the world and meet some.
I have, they're nerds. Even if they like sports and drinking, they're still nerds. And they have no idea how to talk to girls. I know a few that are virgins, and a handful that have never been kissed, EVER.

Teachers are morons? Much of the factual information you have today comes from those "morons."
Definitely not. I haven't learned shit from a teacher since 5th grade.

What in the world makes you think that the practice of law is evil? Is it the money?
No, it's how you earn it. And by earn, I mean swindle.

What about all the lawyers that work for the government making $40-50k a year and can hardly pay off their college loans?
I'm sure more than a few of them wish they were making the big bucks at some firm.

Doctors can make just as much money as lawyers, are they evil too?
No, they provide a valuable service to society.

In no way is it necessarly the highest paid profession.
Unless you mean in terms of, you know....money.

I've known good lawyers and I've known bad lawyers, just as I've known smart teachers and less then smart teachers, just as I've known nerdy engineers and rather social, athletic engineers. A career is what you make of it, just as college is.
Get out of here with this bullshit and get some common sense. :disappoin

I haven't learned shit from a teacher since 5th grade.

No, really?
We couldn't tell.

I have, they're nerds. Even if they like sports and drinking, they're still nerds. And they have no idea how to talk to girls. I know a few that are virgins, and a handful that have never been kissed, EVER.
here's the definition of nerd from dictionary.com and urban dictionary.com:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nerd
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nerd

common points in both of those are: intelligent, socially rejected/ridiculed, socially awkward, obsessed with a nonsocial hobby.

so, let's see what's wrong with what you've said.

one: even if they like sports and drinking they're still nerds.
so sports and drinking aren't social anymore? that's news to me. as far as i could tell i spend time every morning during the season socializing with fellow rowers at the club while we're waiting for it to open. i go to regattas where there are hundreds of people all having a good time, socializing, competing, etc. and i go to school events that bring in many students and people from the community. as far as i can tell, that's a pretty social hobby.

two: they have no idea how to talk to girls.
again, that's news to me. i know plenty of engineers who get more girls than most of the non-engineering students i know. so either they drug alot of girls or they know how to talk to them pretty damn well.

and finally: I know a few that are virgins, and a handful that have never been kissed, EVER.
i don't see what your point here is. i know lots of artsie virgins, i know science virgins, i know engineering virgins. in fact, i'd say that the nerdiest and most anti-social people i know are the science guys. not saying anything against them, it's just that from what i've seen they tend to have the most nerds compared to other faculties.

the point is, we've all disagreed with you, we've been very logical and for the most part respectful, we've shown you proof of the usefulness of universities and colleges, you just don't want to listen and you've resorted to petty name calling.

i don't think this thread is going anywhere.

in conclusion: do you know who dropped out of school? Hilter

Okay. What can I say, I live up to my name, I'm a lazy ass. I didn't think I'd have to explain that, by nerd, I meant, "person that is really really really smart, OFTEN with a great proportion of their intelligence devoted to a specific field of expertise." That doesn't mean they all have to be awkward anti-social virgins, but hey, if the shoe fits right? And if it doesn't, who cares? It's completely beside the point. Stop trying to pwn me, I'm trying to do as little typing as possible here.

what is the point again?

what is the point again?

How college is pointless for most who attend it. And then I got rebuttals from an engineering student and a lawyer, both pursuits which I more or less exempted from this discussion's original post.

So why is it pointless for most who attend?
Why are those two exempt?

In fact, let's get this over with cos I'd ask sooner or later;
What professions/study/persuits are exempt and what ones are you talking about are the pointless ones?

So, since you discounted doctor, teacher, lawyer and engineer in your OP, you must mean any medical field which is not a doctor is a waste of time?

Where do you place vetenary science, architecture, computer science, nutritional studies and quite a few more which hold crucial roles in many peoples daily lives?

So, since you discounted doctor, teacher, lawyer and engineer in your OP, you must mean any medical field which is not a doctor is a waste of time?

Where do you place vetenary science, architecture, computer science, nutritional studies and quite a few more which hold crucial roles in many peoples daily lives?

College =/= University

how about the other sciences?
Physics, Biology, Chemistry, Geology, Geography, Meteorology etc?
Or Art/Design courses?
History, Politics, Economics?

While we're at it, if you were to explain your views and opinions on each of the widely studied subjects, it would help this discussion a lot because well, it'd help us understand where you're coming from.

how about the other sciences?
Physics, Biology, Chemistry, Geology, Geography, Meteorology etc?


These are the smart people/nerds that were going to college before the "me" generation decided to send every man, woman, and child with an IQ over 90 to college even though they have no business there.

Or Art/Design courses?

meh

History, Politics, Economics?

I presume these to be pointless to pay for unless you're going to grad school. Anything without a hands-on aspect is what I'm questioning the value of. Does college allow you to meet a bunch of people and have many valuable experiences that shape you into the person you are today blah blah etc. etc., sure. But these fields offer nothing practical to the person studying them, although a degree in any field of study, no matter how un-pragmatic, is still an asset on your resume. Which is why I'm asking if you think the bachelor's degree from a college--in, say, a liberal arts program, since that's what most people go for--- is the post-modern equivalent to a high school diploma. What is your opinion on this point in particular, drunken monkey?

College =/= University

Neat attempt at a sidestep.

You can obtain university degrees in every one of those fields.

Do you really have any idea what you're talking about?

The reason why I'm asking many questions is that I am not 100% clued up as to how the education system is and how it works in the US.
On the other hand, I have a friend who graduated in History+Economics and is now an analyst for a listed trading company. His knowledge gained from his degree has direct benefit to his line of work
i.e it wasn't pointless.

where does that stand?

Incidentally, what are you studying?

The reason why I'm asking many questions is that I am not 100% clued up as to how the education system is and how it works in the US.
On the other hand, I have a friend who graduated in History+Economics and is now an analyst for a listed trading company. His knowledge gained from his degree has direct benefit to his line of work
i.e it wasn't pointless.

where does that stand?

Incidentally, what are you studying?

I dunno, good for him. This is the philosophizing forum, I am seeking answers, not proclaiming them.

Incidentally, CS, with a minor in Counterstrike.

Answers eh?
Then my answer is this.
It doesn't matter to you whether or not it is pointless for some people.

What's CS?

CS = computer science

I am assuming since LA didn't answer me yet he is typing up a dissertation on his theory - or ignoring me because he doesn't have an answer.

CS = computer science

I am assuming since LA didn't answer me yet he is typing up a dissertation on his theory - or ignoring me because he doesn't have an answer.

What's your question, fool?

computer science?
ahh, that explains the hang-ups about nerds, not getting women, use of things like 1337 and such poor stereotypes.

oh the irony.