The pointlessness of college

computer science?
ahh, that explains the hang-ups about nerds, not getting women, use of things like 1337 and such poor stereotypes.

oh the irony.

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also, I am doomed to be banned on any forum where moderators outnumber regular users.

I am doomed to be banned on any forum where moderators outnumber regular users.

is that your mission statement?

What's your question, fool?

Do you really have any idea what you're talking about?

But never mind, I think you've already answered that pretty clearly.

I get laid every mother-fucking day fool. I have one of the biggest dicks you've ever seen, and am known to get all kinds of ass.

also, I am doomed to be banned on any forum where moderators outnumber regular users.

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Is it utterly pointless for the person who can't get into an Ivy League and doesn't want to be a doctor, teacher, lawyer, engineer, etc.? i believe we've made it quite clear that it isn't pointless for them because of the numerous life experiences and the increase in pay.
has the bachelor's degree become the new high school diploma, in a way? sort of, you now need it for many jobs whereas a high school diploma used to be acceptable (talking about 50 years ago)
so where does that leave the rest of us? you can do something that interests you and get a better job then you would have had otherwise, or you can do something completely random and still make more money.
And how do you think society's perception of higher education will change in the coming decades?:2cents: it'll become more and more important. in fact some fields are starting to require a masters to have a decent shot of getting a job in it.

i think we've answered your questions many times over. please explain why college is pointless. you haven't offered a decent rebutal to any of our comments so far.

I think it's not so much the education the system may or may not provide, more that it is an indication of the level of commitment of the individual.

I Agree 100%

I'm in it for the long haul but even so I know it takes a brain and a drive inside.

I don't see college as pointless at all. Call it what you want but look at the statistics to who is making how much. Of course, this is not the case under ALL circumstances, but in most cases, college students make more. I see that as a very good point to go to college. As far as what you learn in college that helps towards your profession, that will be seen in later years of college. And depending on your profession, you may learn more about it in college than other professions. A college degree is a very valuable thing to have.

it'll become more and more important. in fact some fields are starting to require a masters to have a decent shot of getting a job in it.
More important, but less valuable perhaps? I went to a high school full of grade-A dumbasses, and even the stupidest of the stupid were able to get into college because there are crap schools out there that will accept anyone with a pulse and $30k. Did schools like that even exist 50 years ago?

i think we've answered your questions many times over. please explain why college is pointless. you haven't offered a decent rebutal to any of our comments so far.
1. I know mad people who can't get jobs right out of school that move back in with their parents.

2. I know college graduates that are still paying off their loans and they're like 40 with dead end jobs.

3. I don't have to explain shit to y'all, I'm still waiting on some decent repliers for this thread.

3. I don't have to explain shit to y'all, I'm still waiting on some decent repliers for this thread.

I am going to try to help turn this thread into something constructive here.

If you're looking to debate the issue you presented, then present your argument in a eloquent and factual manner as to why you feel a college or university education is a waste.

So far, all you have done is directly attack fellow member's for their answers and for disagreeing with you.

If you cannot present any support to your argument, then it becomes evident that there is no basis for your argument other than you're trying to create controversy.

I don't see college as pointless at all. Call it what you want but look at the statistics to who is making how much. Of course, this is not the case under ALL circumstances, but in most cases, college students make more.

My opinion is that if people can go to college, and have no idea what they're really doing with it, and actually make more money because of it, then there's something wrong with society. JMO. And I think that "something" might be an overcrowded job market, and a bunch of other shit too.

And anyway, like I said before, those statistics will always look better than they actually are because a lot of smart people do go to college and make something of themselves. But for the average kid applying to the average school, those numbers look a lot better than they are.

Something to take into account, many companies recognize good schools over average. Companies don't just accept you because you have the degree, they also look at where the degree came from.

To put it in context, if a Wake Forest grad and MIT grad with the same degree apply for the same engineering job, the company if obviously going to favor the grad from the nationally recognised engineering school.

Something to take into account, many companies recognize good schools over average. Companies don't just accept you because you have the degree, they also look at where the degree came from.

To put it in context, if a Wake Forest grad and MIT grad with the same degree apply for the same engineering job, the company if obviously going to favor the grad from the nationally recognised engineering school.

True, but I can't think of why it's relevant to this discussion off the top of my head.

Your originally argument is simply that college is pointless, we're still waiting for you to substantiate that original claim.

You've made comment several times about low grade schools and I was simply responding to your repeated rhetoric about 'average people in average schools' and low grade schools by pointing out that companies recognise that.

As the originator of this thread, you made that relevant.

So, why do you think college educations are pointess?

Your originally argument is simply that college is pointless, we're still waiting for you to substantiate that original claim.

You've made comment several times about low grade schools and I was simply responding to your repeated rhetoric about 'average people in average schools' and low grade schools by pointing out that companies recognise that.

As the originator of this thread, you made that relevant.

So, why do you think college educations are pointess?

We all know college is pointless. But what is the EXTENT of the pointlessness? It could just be a little pointless, i.e. the irrelevant gen-ed classes that take up like three semesters by themselves.... or perhaps the whole shebang is nothing but a false credential for the postmodern era. There are varying degrees of pointlessness. Some people can claim to derive meaning in the most inane shit on Earth, but they're all full of shit so fuck them, I'm talking about the real world here.

We all know college is pointless. But what is the EXTENT of the pointlessness? It could just be a little pointless, i.e. the irrelevant gen-ed classes that take up like three semesters by themselves.... or perhaps the whole shebang is nothing but a false credential for the postmodern era. There are varying degrees of pointlessness. Some people can claim to derive meaning in the most inane shit on Earth, but they're all full of shit so fuck them, I'm talking about the real world here.

Who is this "We all" that you still speak of? So far nobody has fully bought into this idea of yours that college is pointless. You can't talk about the extent of this if nobody agrees. You are just looking for people to comiserate with because you don't or didn't like college and everyone around you does.

We have given numerous reasons why college is a good thing and you have still yet to actually give a reason why you think it is pointless. Even if you just want to get a worthwhile job, isn't that point enough? What is it that you are looking for that college hasn't provided you? Do you not think that a college graduate is in some way different then a high school graduate? If college is pointless, then what isn't for you?

You claim to be talking about the real world, but your stereotypes indicate that you really aren't in touch with it at all.

I hope your next post starts out, "College is pointless because," and then is followed by some sort of logical reasoning or evidence. Don't just come up with statements and assume everyone should agree with them and everyone who doesn't is wrong.

We don't all know college is pointless.

What is it that you are looking for that college hasn't provided you? Do you not think that a college graduate is in some way different then a high school graduate?

LEARNING. 90% of labs contain concepts never even brought up in class. If I'm not fortunate enough to already know what I'm doing, I have to research it independently for many hours, or fail. Some shit's not in the book, nor is it brought up in lecture. Professor's say they aren't there to "hold your hand" and "spoonfeed" and all that bullshit. They expect you to know everything before you set foot in the classroom. I meet that expectation, while acknowleding that it is pure, unadulteraded bullshit. While the degree itself is an invaluable asset, I know for a fact that anything taught in the classroom I could've learned by myself because, well, I learned it by myself.

If college is pointless, then what isn't for you?



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Professor's say they aren't there to "hold your hand" and "spoonfeed" and all that bullshit.

How is it bullshit?

Going to college or university is your first step on your way to becoming a fully independant adult, professors know this and expect you to bahave as such.

When you get into a work enviroment, you're going to have to be able to show some initiative and display some independant thinking, part of college is learning that - by not spoonfeeding you every piece of information, they are teaching you that you need to display some initiative in finding what you need to know.

I've yet to see any compelling argument from you about why college is useless, only weak excuses and the same thing posted repeatedly.

I've always held that University/College is a place to facilitate learning.
If all you wanted from it was to be told stuff, then you probably are in the wrong place.

And how does it facilitate learning again? Again, why does it make sense to take a class if you already know the material? It doesn't. It's bullshit. All I hear from you two is the same bs rhetoric I've heard gazillions of times. When you can take, say, the introductory course that requires no coding experience, and a book that actually tells you how to code isn't on the syllabus, and they immediately throw legit programming projects at you with less than a week to finish that are on the level of somebody with several months experience, what's that all about? Is it "spoonfeeding" if they were to give you (....make you buy) a book that actually tells you how to code for their purposes? What doesn't constitute spoonfeeding in your world? Are you supposed to conjure the memory of your ancestral programmers, like savages channeling their ancestors in their godless rituals? What do they call it when half the kids fail the class? Is that "burping" or is it "shitting the diaper"? I bet you call it, "tough shit, college isn't for everyone, faggots.", even though half of those kids could have passed if the course equipped them with you know....actual learning resources.

I've yet to hear you come up with a compelling argument.

Just because you take a class and already know the material, it doesn't mean everyone else does.

Why complain if you already know the material - it should be an easy 'A' for you then.

Since engineering is such a big topic in this thread, here's my view. I started out doing an engineering degree (here in NZ it's a Bachelor of Engineering with Honours - BE(Hons), not a part of the science schedule like in the states). Did a semester of it, realised it wasn't for me, I couldn't handle the workload, and my math skills are subpar. So now I'm doing a BSc in Geography focusing on Environmental Science/Hazard & Disaster Management. Much happier. My school is the best engineering school in NZ and one of the best in the world. 95% of engineers here are definitely not nerds - they're the biggest pissheads I know. The engineering society has a drinking captain. I know one guy, who, every time he gets on the piss, becomes totally incoherent and speaks like a caveman, even looks like one. But this guy gets straight A's.

College/university/whatever you want to call it is not pointless for the majority of people who attend it. Best decision I ever made was to come to Christchurch and go to university. I've met some friends here I know I will remain close to for the rest of my life, and it's really opened up my eyes on a lot of things in life and overall I feel it has helped me grow as a person. If you can't get that out of college then you either are too self absorbed to get the full experience out of something new, or you're a robot.

Lazy ass, grow a brain, or get a clue, or please, for everyone, STFU. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about and are just trying to start an argument even though you have nothing to back up your point of view. "We all know college is pointless"? Who said it is, so far, only you have.

Plus, I've seen you insult at least 2 members so far, curb your attitude.

Hahaha, he posted Melissa Theuriau. Banned from the vwvortex lazy?

I've yet to hear you come up with a compelling argument.

Just because you take a class and already know the material, it doesn't mean everyone else does.

Why complain if you already know the material - it should be an easy 'A' for you then.

Your reading comprehension sucks. I said that one MUST know the material beforehand if he is to PASS, let alone get an A. Otherwise, it's fission mailed. Ask any CS major.

And your attitude is getting real fuckin old here. This is the philosophy forum, and you aren't posting any of your own ideas. You're just regurgitating the rhetoric of the establishment without having anything to say for your self. This last post of yours in particular is a total failure.:yugosmili

The only one with an attitude in this thread is you.

Nothing you've posted here is the least bit philosophical; or even close to a cohesive, convincing, logical argument for your point of view.

:cheers:

grow a brain

Take your own advice

.:bananadie

Lazy ass,

I pity your college professors, your superiority complex can only be of detriment to your future.

Several of us have disagreed with you in this thread, you've told us we're all wrong and repeated several times that college is pointless without coming up with any significant backing beyond your own narrow experiences.

The more we challenge you to come up with something we can actually discuss, the more direct your attacks on individuals become.

I think it's sufficient to say, you don't have an argument, just an unfounded opinion.

It's also most likely prophetic to say that your attitude means you will not be here too long.

Dude, you didn't even read my post correctly. Re-read, THEN respond. And no, saying "everyone disagrees with you" will not suffice. If you've never said to yourself, "this shit is pointless" when doing an assignment, you're the one who's narrow minded. What's your major anyway?

Dude, you didn't even read my post correctly. Re-read, THEN respond. And no, saying "everyone disagrees with you" will not suffice. If you've never said to yourself, "this shit is pointless" when doing an assignment, you're the one who's narrow minded. What's your major anyway?

I don't have a major, I graduated more than 10 years ago, you will still crapping in your diaper when I was in school.

If you could type something worth reading because he has some content of value, I may spend more time reading it.

I don't have a major, I graduated more than 10 years ago, you will still crapping in your diaper when I was in school.

If you could type something worth reading because he has some content of value, I may spend more time reading it.

And I'm the one with a superiority complex? :screwy:
I find your pompousity shallow and pedantic:shakehead. You have obviously become completely pissed by my undetectably (to you) pseudo-hyperbolic philosophical ranting, and have regressed into prick mode and just want me to call you a cocksucker so you can ban me without qualm.

Dude, you've given us plenty of reasons to ban you in this thread - the fact you're still here shows how tolerant we're being.

Keep going - please.

If you've never said to yourself, "this shit is pointless" when doing an assignment, you're the one who's narrow minded.
so you find an assignment pointless, who gives a shit. in the workforce you'll find plenty of projects pointless but you can't just tell your boss you're not going to do it. if you can't deal with it through college/university how the hell are you going to deal with it in the workforce.

still waiting on valid arguments about the pointlessness of college.

I find your pompousity shallow and pedantic

OMG :rofl: I wish I could remember what show that was on!

btw before anyone tries to read betweenthe lines, I'm not saying you didn't think of those words on your own, but they were definitely used in some show (Family Guy perhaps) and it was hillarious

...back to your regularly scheduled thread

it was the family guy episode where they find out peter's mentally handicapped

so you find an assignment pointless, who gives a shit. in the workforce you'll find plenty of projects pointless but you can't just tell your boss you're not going to do it. if you can't deal with it through college/university how the hell are you going to deal with it in the workforce.

I can deal with it fine bro. Like you just said though, the shit is pointless, that's all I'm sayin' here. We definitely aren't seeing eye to eye here and the overall level of reading comprehension here leaves much to be desired. If my ramblings were part of the curriculum of a class, you guys would fail the exam. But then you would say, "this class enriched my life and made me into the person I am today."

I can deal with it fine bro. Like you just said though, the shit is pointless, that's all I'm sayin' here. We definitely aren't seeing eye to eye here and the overall level of reading comprehension here leaves much to be desired. If my ramblings were part of the curriculum of a class, you guys would fail the exam. But then you would say, "this class enriched my life and made me into the person I am today."

Modesty certainly isn't one of your traits is it. :lol:

pseudo-hyperbolic philosophical ranting

psuedo?
As in appearing to be but not?
In that case, that's the first thing you've gotten right so far because I can't see how this is a philosophical question either.

And how does it facilitate learning again?

However good you think you are, chances are the teaching staff are better. What they're there to do, is to get you out of your comfort zone and get into problems. Problems that only occur if you know the basic programming already. If all they're there to do is teach you programming, that extra level of interaction is not possible.

I used to help teach a martial arts class.
I never used to go through the forms in class because that is a waste of class time when we could be sparring.

It is the same here.
University/College is there for you to put what you know into practice and do things that might not be possible. If you come across something that you don't know what to do with, that is what the tutors are there for. If you just want them to teach you things that can be found in books, it's not because University/College is pointless, it's that you aren't making the most of what they can offer.

I can read.
You're the one who used a word without fully knowing its meaning.
So you're trying to be philosophical?
Again, still the first time you've been correct because, well, I still don't see how this is anything to do with philosophy so yes, you are trying.
I'll give you an C for effort.

psuedo?
As in appearing to be but not?
In that case, that's the first thing you've gotten right so far because I can't see how this is a philosophical question either.
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....after I said pedantic I just ran with it. That's the intended definition, #2. And that word was used to refer to the exaggeratory nature of my initial statement. Why can't you read.....

How about if I were to reiterate the original post to be something of the effect of:

Most 4-year degrees are liberal arts degrees, which serve no functional purpose IRL, thus I question their purpose beyond "enriching one's life experience blah blah bullshit blah blah". Engineering and architecture serves a vocational purpose, but you have to know your shit going in; so chances are, if the job market weren't so crowded, that it would be quite easy to get a job as an engineer without a college education assuming one were qualified. Programmers without degrees exist; that's an indication that for a skilled, in-demand profession, the skills are what's important, not "credentials".

As for the scientists of the world, let them toil away on their research while I get all the pussy. No, they aren't useless, but I do fucking hate them (but that's a seperate matter altogether....). And lawyers suck too. Any other questions?

dude u still haven't made any valid points about the pointlessness of college. *miscellaneous remark that proves I didn't actually read your post*.

dude I'm starting to think you don't have any real point here and this thread is going nowhere!!

My reply: re-read my posts.

However good you think you are, chances are the teaching staff are better. What they're there to do, is to get you out of your comfort zone and get into problems. Problems that only occur if you know the basic programming already. If all they're there to do is teach you programming, that extra level of interaction is not possible.

I used to help teach a martial arts class.
I never used to go through the forms in class because that is a waste of class time when we could be sparring.

It is the same here.
University/College is there for you to put what you know into practice and do things that might not be possible. If you come across something that you don't know what to do with, that is what the tutors are there for. If you just want them to teach you things that can be found in books, it's not because University/College is pointless, it's that you aren't making the most of what they can offer.

I can read.
You're the one who used a word without fully knowing its meaning.
So you're trying to be philosophical?
Again, still the first time you've been correct because, well, I still don't see how this is anything to do with philosophy so yes, you are trying.
I'll give you an C for effort.
My school sucks=no tutors.
also the example I used was the introductory class that claimed to assume no prior programming experience. I've moved past that but it was definitely a bold-faced lie that that class didn't expect you to know your shit on day 1.
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What's liberal arts?

Just so you know, I'm born and raised in the UK.
In general, I think the US education system is generally shit until you get to University where it's $ wins.

With that said, I can only really speak for UK universities.
While there are some questionable subjects with questionable worth, I can't think of any university degree that can be gained at a UK university that has a course that can be called anything like pointless, especially if the person studying that course intends to persue it as a career.

On the other hand, there are subjects that have purpose but the studying process is pointless because the person isn't looking to persue it.
I have a friend who will be finishing her year 3 of physics this may and she sure as hell aint doing it for life, which brings us back to my point; it is pointless depending on the individual.

If your place is so bad, why are you still there?

If your place is so bad, why are you still there?

$ wins, and I lose.

Liberal arts=BA or some shit

Yes drunken monkey, of course, nothing is pointless. Everything in the Universe has a purpose, and everything happens for a reason......including my forthcoming ban. :wink:

If you really want to be banned, just say the word; why all this fuss?

If you really want to be banned, just say the word; why all this fuss?

I have a thread here with over 100 replies, most of which is spam and flaming by bored moderators looking for somebody to ban. It's my destiny to be banned when some mod posts to get the last word in, locks it, and bans me.:runaround:

If you really want to be banned, just say the word; why all this fuss?
He just wants attention.

Obviously you just have some juvenile problem with authority, and want to goad the moderators into banning you so you can say "OMG, I WAS BANNED BECAUSE THE MODERATORS ARE POWER HUNGRY EGO TRIPPING ASSHOLES /cry".

You still fail to convince anyone in this thread of your point of view. You're not very clever.

You still fail to convince anyone in this thread of your point of view. You're not very clever.

My friend has yet to successfully quit smoking. She's not very good at arts and crafts.

See? I too can say two random things that have nothing to do with each other just to dis' someone. Who said it was my goal to convince people of anything? Once again, poor reading comprehension from the army of hater-moderators. This thread started with me asking a question. I seek only to generate discussion and perhaps learn from the wisdom of others. I'm starting to wonder if any of y'all hold ANY beliefs that aren't in line with the mainstream. It's important for us to stay critical of the status quo so that we don't become complacent, phony, sanctimonious cocksuckers. All around us, there is MUCH improvement on the status quo that could be achieved with little more than the opening of minds.

My mind is plenty open - I just don't agree with you. Doesn't make me a slave to the establishment.

My mind is plenty open - I just don't agree with you. Doesn't make me a slave to the establishment.

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Now you're just starting to bore me.

As a general rule, going to college is probably the best thing anyone could ever do for themselves. There are people out there who have been successful without it, but the chances are highly stacked against most of them.

Even if you study something that is just about completely worthless as far as useable knowledge gained to make you money in the real world (like philosophy for instance), your diploma still has extreme value. It proves two things to people who might want to give you a job- That you are capable of being taught, and that you are dedicated enough to finish something you start. Those are two things that are incredibly important to potential employers, but people without a diploma or a lot of work experience have no good way to prove that they posses those attributes. Without one, you are an unknown quantity and have only your own word to set you apart from the rest of the crowd.

I work for a company in a very specialized industry that won't even interview you if you don't have a college degree. But the people that do get hired come from all different educational backgrounds, most of which have absolutely nothing to do with what they've ended up doing for a living. It's not because of what they already know coming in, but rather the fact that we can say almost for sure that they have the potential to grow into a valuable employee that makes someone a good hire.

You can say you'll handle the seemingly pointless assignments but there is only one way to prove it. Unless you're incredibly lucky the rest of your life will be filled with people who will tell you to do things you don't understand, and do worse things than give you a bad grade if you choose not to. And once you start calling something pointless, you're basically saying that the people whose rules you have chosen to live under don't know what they're doing and that your perspective is the only one to be counted. It's not always easy to see the bigger picture in which many seemingly pointless acts serve you with a greater good, but if you don't give it a patient chance you never will.

It can actually be a pretty liberating thing to accept that you do not always know what is best for you. And to not show enough faith in your instructors to allow them a shot at enriching your life in the way that they have been trained and are being paid to do is a bigger waste of time than any school work has ever been.

psuedo?
As in appearing to be but not?
In that case, that's the first thing you've gotten right so far because I can't see how this is a philosophical question either.

Damn DM, you took the bait on that one. I read that post and laughed - that whole post was like playing 'buzz word bingo' - if you throw enough big words out there it may sound like you know what you're talking about - he failed.

We all know college is pointless. But to what extent is it pointless? Is it utterly pointless for the person who can't get into an Ivy League and doesn't want to be a doctor, teacher, lawyer, engineer, etc.?

Then again, a lot of jobs require a BA just to get an interview. So has the bachelor's degree become the new high school diploma, in a way? Only the nerdiest of the nerdy can do EE, only evil people go to law school, only morons become teachers, etc., so where does that leave the rest of us? And how do you think society's perception of higher education will change in the coming decades?:2cents:

I felt it necessary to address the original post before closing this, as I'm sure, though banned, lazy ass will come back and read this or join again only to be banned again.

First of all, we don't all know college is pointless. You can't speak for a vast majority on something that is extremely subjective, especially when considering the possible professions one is considering.

Based on the poor thought behind your first comment, the question of how pointless college is really isn't even something to discuss. What's more, your comments pointing toward Ivy League schools and becoming a doctor or lawyer directly contradicts your statement "we all know college is pointless." If you don't know why, then you shouldn't even be trying to start this type of discussion in the first place.

Finally, your poor classification of people to their stereotypical roles shows that you really just run with whatever society tells you. Way to be an idiot.

Higher education, though more commonplace in this day and age, is important to a plethora of professions. It doesn't matter that some people just want you to have a degree and don't care in what, the point is, they want you to have a degree, which suggests to me that higher education is by no means "pointless."