Ion Redline vs. SRT-4

So last night I was with my friends and one of them told me he knew a guy with an SRT-4, and he asked if he should call him to race. I told him that would be okay even though I wanted my first race in the redline to be a win. So we met up and talked for a while and I guess his car was stock. So we headed out to the road of choice and when we got to the spot we lined up at 40mph. I honked it down and we took off. Almost instantly I pulled about a fender on him, then around 60 shifted to 3rd, continued to pull slowly, almost 90 and I throw it into 4th and I’m still slowly pulling on him. I looked in my mirror at about 105 and saw the front of his car drop so I let off too. So the first race for the redline was a win by about a car and a half. Then we stopped and he asked if I wanted to go from a stop. I told him I hadn’t really launched the car much yet but said sure anyways. He honked 3 times and we took off (well he did anyways, damn his LSD) I gave it too much gas and spun all through 1st and then spun through half of second. I ended up almost 2 cars back on that one at about 75. But I was surprised that I beat him the first time, all I have is an intake but I he was defiantly not catching up. So I guess that makes me 1 and 1 with the redline. That was my fun for Friday night.

u should count rolling and digs as two different race catogories. yes both street, but two different techniques...sorta.

neways congrats on the win...srt4 shoulda dun better(mayb not won, but dun better) bad driver i guess.

Nice win/death... i either over estimated the SRT4 or really under estimated the redline... or the srt driver just sucked

He is pretty good at driving...i rode with him later that night on the way to his apartment and he can shift about as quick as i can...that was definately a fun race though

Nice races. From having driven both of them, the SRT-4 was faster. However, the aren't all that far apart so I could see it pending on the driver's capabilities.

Nice rice! I thought the srt would win for sure, but anything can happen i guess.

I think SL3000gt said it best. Stock for stock the srt-4 is quicker, but not by a huge margin, so if the underdog is an exceptional driver it can be evened out.

The ion is stock too? If so, hes not as great a driver and you may think. :D

The ion is stock too? If so, hes not as great a driver and you may think. :D

I just have an intake

Nice pull from the 40 roll.

I know you want to mash it to the floor considering it is a race, but from a stand still, best to slip it easy with less gas (won't hurt the clutch if you don't ride it like a Tai whore)... and when you get moving, then slam the go pedal. IMO, it's always better to dip behind a bit then catch hard than to foolishly spin your tires and go nowhere...

Nice pull from the 40 roll.

I know you want to mash it to the floor considering it is a race, but from a stand still, best to slip it easy with less gas (won't hurt the clutch if you don't ride it like a Tai whore)... and when you get moving, then slam the go pedal. IMO, it's always better to dip behind a bit then catch hard than to foolishly spin your tires and go nowhere...

I know thats what i did but i cant just mash the gas from ANY speed in 1st without spinning lol. I have only tried launching it once other than that....so thats definately something to practice:licka:

I know thats what i did but i cant just mash the gas from ANY speed in 1st without spinning lol. I have only tried launching it once other than that....so thats definately something to practice:licka:

ESMM's will help with that

I forget, can you get an lsd with the ecotech brothers?

^^It was an option but is not standard.

Oh alright. Ive always liked the cars, but the supercharger is a limiting factor to the car. I cant wait to see the turbocharged ones hitting the streets.

I forget, can you get an lsd with the ecotech brothers?

It was an option starting in 06 for the redline. It was part of the competition package. I will be able to do better after i get my launches down, but i will still be behind him with his LSD. I really like srt-4's too, this one has stock rims painted black, which looks kinda weird. But since he bought it with 2 slightly bent rims, the dealer is giving him 4 new aftermarket rims for $100 alltogether.

You have a low 15 sec car vs. a high 13 sec. car(or for you car and driver believers low 14's either way more than a second apart) and the slower car pulls the faster car...this means
A)Srt driver cant drive worth crap
B) Something is wrong with the srt


That is all.

edmunds.com rates the ion redline at a 14.6 in the 1/4 :)

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=107510

You have a low 15 sec car vs. a high 13 sec. car(or for you car and driver believers low 14's either way more than a second apart) and the slower car pulls the faster car...this means
A)Srt driver cant drive worth crap
B) Something is wrong with the srt


That is all.

I think that was already established.

You have a low 15 sec car vs. a high 13 sec. car(or for you car and driver believers low 14's either way more than a second apart) and the slower car pulls the faster car...this means
A)Srt driver cant drive worth crap
B) Something is wrong with the srt


That is all.

Redlines generally run 14.4-14.5 with a good driver. Ive seen quite a few hit 14.2 stock. Srt-4's usually hit 14.0 or close to that (what ive seen and heard) Some may be able to hit 13.8 or so.....but the cars arent as far apart as you think. Redline~215whp (thats what most people put down stock, or close to that number). And Srt-4 as far as I know ~230-235whp stock. Now i have no doubt that i am a better driver, but I rode with him for a half hour later that night, and by no means was he a bad driver

hmm...didn't know they were that quick; fair race then...good job.

hmm...didn't know they were that quick; fair race then...good job.

Thanks man...and im not saying that i can beat every sartie out there...or even more stock ones. All i know is that i beat him (the first time) and i have and intake and half an exhaust (long story) and he was stock and i was a little bit better at driving then him. We may go again sometime and get it on video...Ill make sure to post it if we do, it might not be for a while though because we just got snow today:frown:

I wouldn't put too much trust on edmunds.com, c&d etc... They rated the speed6 to run high 14's and only later admitted it was running on 89-91 octane instead of the 93+ required.

But yea, I always thought the srt-4's were much quicker than the redline...nice race

I wouldn't put too much trust on edmunds.com, c&d etc... They rated the speed6 to run high 14's and only later admitted it was running on 89-91 octane instead of the 93+ required.

But yea, I always thought the srt-4's were much quicker than the redline...nice race

I dont think 93 octane is required. Only 91.

However they did make that mistake with the mazdaspeed6.

Even so, I have never seen a stock cobalt/ion run anything lower than a 14.0 quarter mile.

I could be wrong but I thinkI recall reading on a Cobalt forum that the fastest SS/SC time ever while being stock is a 14.3 or 14.2.

Yeah. IRRC, the redline was rated at 205/210 crank horsepower, but later they realized that the number was to the wheels.

The same was similar to the srt-4, but stock they have about 230 to the wheels stock.

Ive always wanted to test drive a cobalt, I just havent taken the time to do it.

to test drive a cobalt, wait for the new ss it'll b turbo'd using the 2.0l from the sky/soltice. yup thats right, it'll have 260hp, not 210. i'd like to see just how much that's gonn cost now.

Actually, as far as it goes now, I believe it is going to have less than 260hp. Just because it is based off of the GXP Solcitice does not mean it will have the SAME hp.

I dont think 93 octane is required. Only 91.

However they did make that mistake with the mazdaspeed6.

Even so, I have never seen a stock cobalt/ion run anything lower than a 14.0 quarter mile.
lol, i was referring to the speed6. It clearly states that 93+octane is required and that 91 can be used for emergency driving.


I always like the srt-4, was gonna get it as my first car, but they didin't have any left in the entire province.

Too bad they scrapped it and now the gay calibur is the new it. blah

lol, i was referring to the speed6. It clearly states that 93+octane is required and that 91 can be used for emergency driving.


I always like the srt-4, was gonna get it as my first car, but they didin't have any left in the entire province.

Too bad they scrapped it and now the gay calibur is the new it. blah

Maybe thats why we dont have any Speed6's around here....cause we dont have 93 octane gas in ND, highest here is 91....and i live in the second biggest town (60,000 people) But i have seen a few speed 3's

1) we dont even have 91 around here. we get 87, 89, 93, and some stations actually sell(near tracks) 104

2) eh, all the mags and net info that i've seen for the ss says 260...tho 260, fwd, might work for honda and toyota will 3500lb cars, but the ss only weighs wat 2600-2900lbs. would make for good power to weight. but w/e. more than the 230hp mark i'll td it

speed3's are the same. All require 93+ octane. And where I am, there is no 93...u get crappy 92 at most.


back home i get 94 octane from sunoco....still have yet to put that high octane gas in the car to see if i feel any difference.

to test drive a cobalt, wait for the new ss it'll b turbo'd using the 2.0l from the sky/soltice. yup thats right, it'll have 260hp, not 210. i'd like to see just how much that's gonn cost now.

Yeah, I mentioned the turbo cobalt on the first page. As far as pricing goes, you have to figure it will need to be cheaper than the v8 camaro, which will hopefully go for around 26k. Im thinking the cobalt will be around 23-24k.


1) we dont even have 91 around here. we get 87, 89, 93, and some stations actually sell(near tracks) 104

2) eh, all the mags and net info that i've seen for the ss says 260...tho 260, fwd, might work for honda and toyota will 3500lb cars, but the ss only weighs wat 2600-2900lbs. would make for good power to weight. but w/e. more than the 230hp mark i'll td it

Yeah, any front driver with more than 300hp is kind of useless on the streets unless you kept it on the highway. But it will be good to see what they can do with the car. I wonder if they are going to shove it in the saturn too.


-Oh, and I was under the impression that the ms3's did not require 93 octane.

ms3? wat is that? my stealth could run on 91....but like i said we dont have 91 around here, plus= 89

^ do you think they will sell the V8 Camaro for as low as 26? I would be surprised to see it that low. I do think the SS will be less than 26 for sure though. I would love to see them make it worth while and sell it for like 22.

speed3's are the same. All require 93+ octane. And where I am, there is no 93...u get crappy 92 at most.


back home i get 94 octane from sunoco....still have yet to put that high octane gas in the car to see if i feel any difference.


Actually the speed6 and speed 3, just like the rx-8 says 91 recommended or highest available because not all areas have 93 octane

Maybe closer to 27k. They need it to be roughly as cheap as the mustang. Hopefully they learned that mistake with the gto.

You can run 91 octane on the mazdaspeed6, but you will not get the advertised power.

However, like I said I think thats not a problem for the speed 3.

It is. I put in a tank of 91 (I didn't have access to any 93, I was in the boondocks of Texas about 40 miles from anything even close to a city, all they had was 91), and I could feel a clear difference from 91 and 93. It does ok on 91, you'll get more on 93, you can run 89 in an oh shit situation.

The new Camaro will most likely be in the low 30s with all the goodies attached.

If it is then ford will win the war once again with gm. The only people you are going to be selling them to is die hard chevy fans.

And people who want a fast car. Unless you buy a low end model, the new 'Maro will dominate the Mustang, and this just isn't employer bias talking here. The new retro 'Stang is a joke, save for the GT500 version. And on the side that matters (the not going out of business side), GM is doing far better than Ford. Chrysler is just slowly fading away, and Ford is fighting for its life. Although not as good as they should be doing, GM is running up against Toyota now for the big game. Its going back and forth in a pretty fun and exciting way, and GM is taking many a right step.

The gto was a fast car sporting the ls1/2, but look at how well that did. The only saving grace will be the camaros ugly looks which people seem to prefer over the sleek rebadged monaro.

I do agree that the mustang on a whole is a joke, even the gt500. But ford gets the car out for an affordable price.

However, I do agree with you. GM has finally decided to take some action, it looks like they will be doing well in the next couple of years. The more models they bring from overseas the better off they will be.

In the end, I would never pay 30k for a mustang/camaro/challenger. While they have plenty of power they are getting to be too damn heavy. Ill take a gutless featherweight any day before I go around driving a powerful pig.

The gto was a fast car sporting the ls1/2, but look at how well that did. The only saving grace will be the camaros ugly looks which people seem to prefer over the sleek rebadged monaro.

The GTO didn't do well because it hit at the start of our last gas price hike, and it had a hard core add launch, and then you couldn't find them any where on the lots. By the time you could, the hype died down. And it looked like a smooshed and stretched Cavi.

However, I do agree with you. GM has finally decided to take some action, it looks like they will be doing well in the next couple of years. The more models they bring from overseas the better off they will be.
New Malibu+New Impala+Enclave=FTW

I'd like to add the G8 and some others into that list, but I doubt they will be high volume enough to make any turn around difference. While I still think my fearless leaders have their adds lodged firmly in their rectums with E85, the idea of offering an actual, usable hybrid in Tahoe form, as opposed to the Toyota Pious style, is also a good move for the PR/Greenie side.

In the end, I would never pay 30k for a mustang/camaro/challenger. While they have plenty of power they are getting to be too damn heavy. Ill take a gutless featherweight any day before I go around driving a powerful pig.
+Eleventy Billion

The GTO didn't do well because it hit at the start of our last gas price hike, and it had a hard core add launch, and then you couldn't find them any where on the lots. By the time you could, the hype died down. And it looked like a smooshed and stretched Cavi.

It doesnt look like gas prices will be going down anytime soon. :D It was up to 4 something here in cali for a little bit. But, that sounds like what happenend with the solstice/sky. Everyone wanted one, but they sold out quick. Then the dealer hikes up the prices. Now though dealerships are practically giving 04 gtos away.


New Malibu+New Impala+Enclave=FTW

I'd like to add the G8 and some others into that list, but I doubt they will be high volume enough to make any turn around difference. While I still think my fearless leaders have their adds lodged firmly in their rectums with E85, the idea of offering an actual, usable hybrid in Tahoe form, as opposed to the Toyota Pious style, is also a good move for the PR/Greenie side.


I like the new malibu a lot, I cant wait to see one in person. Its too bad they wont be offering the two tone interior with the g8 like they are going to do with the malibu.

I dont think Ive seen pictures of the new impala?

I want a cool looking replacement for the aveo. Ive seen some pictures of concepts but who knows..

We can't pay dealers to take Solstices right now. I had one the other day, told him if he takes the Solstice I can get him a Corvette, and he said he would just wait, lol.


I like the new malibu a lot, I cant wait to see one in person. Its too bad they wont be offering the two tone interior with the g8 like they are going to do with the malibu.

I dont think Ive seen pictures of the new impala?

I want a cool looking replacement for the aveo. Ive seen some pictures of concepts but who knows..

The new Impala is a slightly different looking body based on the G8, built on our side of the pond, though. And I've had some wheel time on the new Malibu for a Ride and Drive event here in Texas. Its actually very nice. The interior was gobs above par for any Chevy, and IMHO, on the same level as the Toyonda Camcords. It was more fun to drive than the Japanese offerings, but I wouldn't put it at the same level as say, a VW. The one thing I'm watching, and what is going to start closing our perception gap, is the long term reliability.

Dear sweet Christ, we have more than hijacked this thread...we have hijacked it, taken it hostage, killed one to let them know we are serious, and are now demanding a helicopter for escape.

Uh, quick, back on topic...

Uh....


GOOD KILL!

Yeah, while the Camaro will be faster, I would be more than shocked if they even came near the sales of the Mustang. I think towards he end of the LS1 Camaro days the Mustang was outselling the Camaro about 6:1. Ouch I actually hate the new impala. The taillights look like they were ripped off of a Jetta, and the front, I just plain don't like. The G8 GT looks very sexy though.

wahoo nice races!

the new turbo cobalt should be fun, Stock Turbo Cobalt = Stage 2 Cobalt SS/SC. There is a rumor that a stage 2 kit will come out for the LNF that will make it to 290HP.

all i gotta say, the new ss is gonna get a lot of test drives, and if priced smartly against the civic si, a lot of buys.

i mean think, 2600lbs, 260hp, probably 240+ tq, and a good suspension,vs 2300lbs and 197hp and 160 or so tq...i'll take 260 thank u very much

all i gotta say, the new ss is gonna get a lot of test drives, and if priced smartly against the civic si, a lot of buys.

i mean think, 2600lbs, 260hp, probably 240+ tq, and a good suspension,vs 2300lbs and 197hp and 160 or so tq...i'll take 260 thank u very much

:lol: A civic hasnt weighed that little in awhile. The new one is about 2900lbs

ok well that jsut made it worse for the civics case, with it being a torqueless wonder of the world and all. now weighing a pudgy 2900lbs, and still(being generous) 200hp, math 260hp 2600lbs(may b wrong) 10:1 i like that ratio

ok well that jsut made it worse for the civics case, with it being a torqueless wonder of the world and all. now weighing a pudgy 2900lbs, and still(being generous) 200hp, math 260hp 2600lbs(may b wrong) 10:1 i like that ratio

And then they find out that some turns are coming up...

ok well that jsut made it worse for the civics case, with it being a torqueless wonder of the world and all. now weighing a pudgy 2900lbs, and still(being generous) 200hp, math 260hp 2600lbs(may b wrong) 10:1 i like that ratio

uhh not sure how they are droping 300lbs from the ss/sc. . . my cobalt weighs close to 3,000 lbs.

And they arent pricing it to match the civic si, thats not in the same class. The cobalt is being priced with the MS3, Caliber SRT4, wrx, and such. Expect it to start around 22k-23k

all i gotta say, the new ss is gonna get a lot of test drives, and if priced smartly against the civic si, a lot of buys.

i mean think, 2600lbs, 260hp, probably 240+ tq, and a good suspension,vs 2300lbs and 197hp and 160 or so tq...i'll take 260 thank u very much


Agian.......it is not going to have 260hp stock.

Agian.......it is not going to have 260hp stock.

w/e i'll believe wat i've read untill someone proves beyond resonable doubt that it's not. but when u consider the fact that's it's going to have the same engine as the sky redline/solstice gxp, than 260 seems logical. not impossible for a fwd car either. being nissan has 270 going to the front on one of its cars. and the redline/gxp have 260hp engines

w/e i'll believe wat i've read untill someone proves beyond resonable doubt that it's not. but when u consider the fact that's it's going to have the same engine as the sky redline/solstice gxp, than 260 seems logical. not impossible for a fwd car either. being nissan has 270 going to the front on one of its cars. and the redline/gxp have 260hp engines


What I think SL3000 means is that while yes, the engine will be the same, it will prob be detuned because the car is going for a cheaper price then the redline/gxp.

we'll all find out come a few months from now

^^ Nope actually those of us who have read about it have already found out that it won't be 260hp. :wink:

I don't know, I just watched the Daily fastlane, or whatever it's called. They stated that i should have upwards of 260hp coming from the same motor as in the redline/gxp. I haven't read a car mag in a while, that's still getting mailed to VA, and I'm in jersey

I'll just ask our distribution guys when I get to work tomorrow, and solve all this shit. All I know is just because it has the same engine does not force it to have the same power. The Evolution IX and the 1st gen turbo DSMs both had 4G63s. Point in case.

SL3000GT your wrong, it is going to have the LNF motor from the Solictive GXP and Sky Redline reated at 260HP. Im not sure where your getting your information, the Cobalt SS is getting the LNF motor, i doubt they are going to detune it. . . Especially with e MS3 at 260HP, the Caliber at like 280 i think? no way is gm going to get left behind in the HP wars

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/08car.htm

SL3000GT your wrong, it is going to have the LNF motor from the Solictive GXP and Sky Redline reated at 260HP. Im not sure where your getting your information, the Cobalt SS is getting the LNF motor, i doubt they are going to detune it. . . Especially with e MS3 at 260HP, the Caliber at like 280 i think? no way is gm going to get left behind in the HP wars

http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2008/08car.htm

well it being a turbo'd engine, the only reason i could see them getting rid of some power...less psi.

ok wats the ms3?