What's your weapon of Choice?

"For the money you spent on your 3500lbs trans am I could get a 95 eclipse gsx (awd) STICK SHIFT not pussy auto for 9 grand, put 1500$ which I'd save from 1 year of insurance into it and smoke you from right off the line to 50 miles down the road.

I'd have money left over to get another car... and yet another. Then I could laugh my ass off when I can't tell the difference between your car and the other thousand F-bodies in your neighborhood."

Sorry, not all of us have as good a taste in cars as you. What do you drive? An Eclipse, or any other of the DSM's.

Now, if you want to get into an arguement about spending money on a car, I can go out, spend $5,000 on an OLD ASS '87 BUICK! A freakin' BUICK! It's got a tiny 'lil V6 with a SMALL TURBO on it. It's RWD, sorry, not AWD like your GODLIKE DSM (cough*girlcars*cough) Then, I'll spend $1000 and blow the DOORS off your DSM. If I wanted to go faster, drop a cam/turbo in it and go faster then your pussy little DSM will EVER go...EVER! There is NOT ONE IMPORT that has been able to keep up with them, let alone a DSM.
And about me spending more $ for a T/A, so what? If you were to spend over $300,000 on a damn Lamborghini, would I sit here and tell you that my "pussy automatic" Trans Am would hand you it's ass? No. You spent the $300,000 on the car because it's something YOU LIKE! Just like ME spending $30,000 on a car I LIKE.

Also, I assume you said you'd get a GSX in a 5 spd. "not a pussy automatic" because I have an automatic in my car? If so, then you've got a LOT to learn about the drag racing world. Why the fuck would I get an auto? Consistent launces, Torque Multiplication, and the fact is, GM makes their cars with AMAZING autos, unlike DSM's and their "slushboxes".

So, I'll tell ya what, you go get your Diamond Star Motor's hunk, DRIVE IT OVER TO CHICAGO IN SPRING. And we'll "run what we brung" either on the street OR the track.

Hope your cars in the single digits! Mine will be! (even with it's pussy auto)




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Supra and GTR are the best cars you could buy :D

Originally posted by Blackbird01
"For the money you spent on your 3500lbs trans am I could get a 95 eclipse gsx (awd) STICK SHIFT not pussy auto for 9 grand, put 1500$ which I'd save from 1 year of insurance into it and smoke you from right off the line to 50 miles down the road.

I'd have money left over to get another car... and yet another. Then I could laugh my ass off when I can't tell the difference between your car and the other thousand F-bodies in your neighborhood."

Sorry, not all of us have as good a taste in cars as you. What do you drive? An Eclipse, or any other of the DSM's.

Now, if you want to get into an arguement about spending money on a car, I can go out, spend $5,000 on an OLD ASS '87 BUICK! A freakin' BUICK! It's got a tiny 'lil V6 with a SMALL TURBO on it. It's RWD, sorry, not AWD like your GODLIKE DSM (cough*girlcars*cough) Then, I'll spend $1000 and blow the DOORS off your DSM. If I wanted to go faster, drop a cam/turbo in it and go faster then your pussy little DSM will EVER go...EVER! There is NOT ONE IMPORT that has been able to keep up with them, let alone a DSM.
And about me spending more $ for a T/A, so what? If you were to spend over $300,000 on a damn Lamborghini, would I sit here and tell you that my "pussy automatic" Trans Am would hand you it's ass? No. You spent the $300,000 on the car because it's something YOU LIKE! Just like ME spending $30,000 on a car I LIKE.

Also, I assume you said you'd get a GSX in a 5 spd. "not a pussy automatic" because I have an automatic in my car? If so, then you've got a LOT to learn about the drag racing world. Why the fuck would I get an auto? Consistent launces, Torque Multiplication, and the fact is, GM makes their cars with AMAZING autos, unlike DSM's and their "slushboxes".

So, I'll tell ya what, you go get your Diamond Star Motor's hunk, DRIVE IT OVER TO CHICAGO IN SPRING. And we'll "run what we brung" either on the street OR the track.

Hope your cars in the single digits! Mine will be! (even with it's pussy auto)




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man, why would you call an AWD 200+ hp car a girl car? How many girls buy GSXs?
an RS eclipse hell yeah that's a girl car, but a GS-T or GSX hell no

and it doesn't take any skill to drive an auto, so why are you braggin about it? auto's are for people that don't know how to drive, and auto enthusiast wants to be connected to the car, controlling every aspect, etc. not just slammin the pedal down
I'm not sayin autos are REAL bad and nobody should buy them, but come on... if you wanna race, you go stick
how many pro race circuits do you see with auto cars? do you see auto cars in lemans?

and an R34 Skyline GT-R could blow the doors off most american cars, even in stock form.
actually i think the fastest car in the world right now is a modded supra, which is ahem* japanese.
(the mclaren is fastest production car)

and don't even lie about your car being in single digits 1/4.... that's just like all those fast and furious boys, commin outta the theatre talkin to their friends sayin "hey i'm gunna make my civic run 9s in the 1/4"
if you get that power, have fun gettin it to the ground..

Alright, listen...
I have great respect for cars like the GT-R and MKIV.
I've personally SEEN one of the fastest stret legal Supra's in the WORLD run. It's a 9 sec. STREET LEGAL car...and guess what? It's auto!
I'm an auto enthusiast, but my primary hobby is DRAG RACING. Automatics in drag racing NATURALLY have th advantage. Sure, I could have gotten a 6 spd. but I wouldn't have ET'ed as good and modding them is more expensive.
Now, about my car being in the single digits, as of now, it isn't.
But I'm NOT one of those stupid F&F fags that think with a "bottle of NAUS" I can beat anything on the road!
I've been into the sport of drag racing for quite some time now.
If you'd like a list of my mods what what my car last ran, I can give it to you. Maybe then you'd realize I'm not some dumb riceboy with a bottle and big balls thinking I can go out and beat anything.
About me putting the power to the ground, you're right, when you're making over 500hp at the WHEELS, getting the car to hook up DOES become a problem. That's why I usually only race at the track and on ET Street tires. Again, don't believe me? I can email you a DETAILED LIST of my mods and what I run.

I didn't start this lil flame war. He came on saying I was the idiot for buying the car I did.

I agree getting the power to the ground has always been an issue with high hp cars, hence the reason I also love the GTR. The ATTESSA system is awesom. 2wd until the G-force sensors detect wheel spin and apply torque to the front wheels.
Getting 1000 hp down to the ground with regular street tires is easy and a feat. :)

Yeah. GT-Rs are not something I'd want to mess with on the street.

At the track, with ME on a full slick and the GT-R on a street tire, it would probably be a different story. But on the street, by car will go nowhere....just spins.

my next car will be either the supra or the 300 series nissan... i cant deal with the lack of balls that any sporty compact possess (sporty.. cause aint no civic, z24, integra, prelude, or any other compact have a bone of Sports Car in them).. .gtrs are serious... but autos... auto is good... but nothing beats a perfect hell-toe shift ... nothing beats downshifting and blowing by an angry weedwackin compact... just cant beat that...

We have a couple of bad assed Hondas here in New Zealand. There is one owned that is running mid 10's, though it gutted out, running a huge turbo and is more of a drag car than anything else. The damn things are so light even decent hp makes them go really well. Also there is a couple of NSX's here now and yep they go really hard but for the price, I would rather have an R34 GTR.

anyone who knows anything about drag racing knows a good automatic will be faster in a straight line than a manual. for one, its easier, and if a car is easier to drive then its easier to drive fast. 2, a computer can shift faster on every shift than the best driver in the world could on his best shift ever. 3, if the stall converter is set up right, it will launch harder and faster than a manual. okay with that said, u will never see me buying an automatic, cuz im into more than just straight line racing and manuals are way faster in corners, plus i just like manuals better.

as for the cars, how do i choose? im kinda biased for the subaru, cuz i drive a subaru. but then the skyline is so bad on a circuit it has been banned from most racing series in order to give other cars a chance. however im gonna go for the supra due to the ease of modification, and the fact that with good tuning they will handle 800+ hp on stock internals. just look at craig paisleys old supra, before he tore it down, rebuilt it, then wrecked it. that thing was running 8s on stock internals. i think it was even street legal to boot (though not a very nice daily driver, being gutted and all)

Craig Paisley's car was hardly "streetable"...
Running on 110 octane isn't necessarily "streetable"...
I could see if it ran on 93 Octane, but 110 is damn near close to LEADED GAS!
His car however is very impressive.
There is also another high 8 sec. "streetlegal" Supra.
And Sound Performance here in IL has a couple of mid 9 sec. FULL INTERIOR, STREET LEGAL SUPRAS!
They are very nice cars.

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
however im gonna go for the supra due to the ease of modification, and the fact that with good tuning they will handle 800+ hp on stock internals. just look at craig paisleys old supra, before he tore it down, rebuilt it, then wrecked it. that thing was running 8s on stock internals. i think it was even street legal to boot (though not a very nice daily driver, being gutted and all)

Now that is something that even the Japs can't get out of the Supra! Generally speaking the stock internals would be good for about 1.35 bar of boost or (19psi) before the cast pistons melt. When you say stock internals I take it the head has never been off thus also meaning stock cams and head gasket.
Even with a Garret T88 34D single turbo conversion that would be a feat in itself.
Is there any information on line about this car?

I decided for the RX-7 (just love that car) but the Supra would also be great. I'm not that like a fan of the Skyline although it's very good car too.:bandit:

No worries. The skyline is one of those cars you either hate or love....there is usually no in-between. Most people who hate them have either been beaten by them or have never been in one. Never judge a book by its cover ;)

Nissan Skyline GTR for sure.

I must say, the Skyline GTR amazes me.
AWD, Turbo power, and it looks damn good...

However, I lean a bit more towards the MKIV Supra TT.
I just love it's looks, and I believe the engine itself is a bit stronger then that of the GTR.
Either way, both are very nice cars...

Quote from Razorgtst:
"Now that is something that even the Japs can't get out of the Supra! Generally speaking the stock internals would be good for about 1.35 bar of boost or (19psi) before the cast pistons melt. When you say stock internals I take it the head has never been off thus also meaning stock cams and head gasket.
Even with a Garret T88 34D single turbo conversion that would be a feat in itself.
Is there any information on line about this car?"




The 93-98, IV generation, Supra Twin Turbo has forged pistons. I have heard of head gasket problems with the older Supra's (7MGTE), but I have never heard of any head gasket problems with the newer 2JZGTE.

There are many stock bottom end Supra's runing around the streets of the USA with some insane horsepower #'s.

Jesus Rivera, from Florida, has laid down 823 rear wheel hp with a stock bottom end supra with a GReddy T88 turbo @ 28psi boost pressure with 272 cams, a Greddy 4row intercooler, and upgraded fuel system.

Bryce Danna, from Texas, dynoed 874 rear wheel hp on stock bottom end with a HKS T51R SPL single turbo setup. That is about 1030 crank hp! He now has a fully built motor.

There are others that have pulled some insane HP#'s out of the 2JZGTE.

I hope to dyno my car and get in the mid to upper 600 rwhp range in the next month or so.

For more info you can go to www.supraforums.com or www.mkiv.com

hey i only said i though paisleys supra was street legal, i agree its not very drivable. have u seen powerhouse racings supra in the july 2001 issue of turbo magazine? it has full interior, street legal and kinda drivable. expected to run 8s on slicks when that article came out, 9s on street tires. i havent heard anything about it since that article though so i couldnt confirm that, although i know it made 866 rear wheel hp on its low boost setting and was expected to top out about 1200 hp.

you might think the GTR would be the obvious choice but it has a hard time doing over 200mph because its not the most aerodynamic of vehicles and the 4 wheel drive system screws it up a bit

You think i could fit a mugen JPV10 into a NSX if i could i'd add turbos too and i'd then continue to put NOS on it and it would probably blow up but not before creaming everone :devil: :flipa: :bandit: :silly: :apoke:

Hard time doing over 200...when in the hell are you going to go above 200 MPH? ;P

Those Supras are powerhouses, but the whole problem is that they don't have that kind of power unless he's sippin from the race gas...on the streets he can't run that kind of boost on normal gas. I mean, a day at the track with that 823 rwhp is great, but on the street, it drops A LOT.

man i saw this video of an r33 gtr running 205 mph on the street in a tunnel noone else was in, that was crazy! see for yourself at www.teamprestige.com/video.htm

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
you might think the GTR would be the obvious choice but it has a hard time doing over 200mph because its not the most aerodynamic of vehicles and the 4 wheel drive system screws it up a bit

You think i could fit a mugen JPV10 into a NSX if i could i'd add turbos too and i'd then continue to put NOS on it and it would probably blow up but not before creaming everone :devil: :flipa: :bandit: :silly: :apoke:

You obviously know nothing about the Skyline mate. In factory gearing the Skyline GTR will do @ 170mph. While I agree they are not the most aerodynamic, but where they lack that they make up in sheer hp and the ability to produce hp.

The 4WD systems is unique. They are 2wd until the computer and G-force sensors detect wheelspin or the need for it. Even under hard acceleration you will see only around 10% front wheel torque. Now lets talk about 200mph. Veilside R32 combat drag/street car can accelerate from 0 - 300kms or 180mph in 13 sec! I have a video of it doing just that and it was on DOT legal tyres. That was also only getting into 5th gear with another to go.

Originally posted by LS1CamaroZ28
Hard time doing over 200...when in the hell are you going to go above 200 MPH? ;P

Those Supras are powerhouses, but the whole problem is that they don't have that kind of power unless he's sippin from the race gas...on the streets he can't run that kind of boost on normal gas. I mean, a day at the track with that 823 rwhp is great, but on the street, it drops A LOT.

Who cares what kind of gas it uses, no body is gonna know if you are running race gas on the street.

Oh well we have GTR's running around New Zealand that are producing over 600 bhp on pumped gas on street tyres that would run rings around most supras. There are a few Supra's here that are damn fast but they never seem to do very well once the GTR's show up and shut them down.

:rolleyes: :sleep: Whatever:rolleyes:

Being that I own a skyline (admittedly not a GTR) I would take one over the other choices. Handling wise they will eat a Supra and I just prefer the aggressive look to them. and if you treat them well they seem to be a very strong motor.

Originally posted by LS1CamaroZ28
Hard time doing over 200...when in the hell are you going to go above 200 MPH? ;P

Those Supras are powerhouses, but the whole problem is that they don't have that kind of power unless he's sippin from the race gas...on the streets he can't run that kind of boost on normal gas. I mean, a day at the track with that 823 rwhp is great, but on the street, it drops A LOT.

yea 200 mph they do it alot in Japan

one of the recent super streets has a 246mph Supra normal everyday car built by JUN

Originally posted by Razorgtst


You obviously know nothing about the Skyline mate. In factory gearing the Skyline GTR will do @ 170mph. While I agree they are not the most aerodynamic, but where they lack that they make up in sheer hp and the ability to produce hp.

The 4WD systems is unique. They are 2wd until the computer and G-force sensors detect wheelspin or the need for it. Even under hard acceleration you will see only around 10% front wheel torque. Now lets talk about 200mph. Veilside R32 combat drag/street car can accelerate from 0 - 300kms or 180mph in 13 sec! I have a video of it doing just that and it was on DOT legal tyres. That was also only getting into 5th gear with another to go.

yak yak yak i probably seen more than you but i must admit you do have a point i mean some cars don't need 1000hp+ to get to 200mph they have 600hp i mean if you look at it .... i think i'm right you can get it to do 200mph very easily but they need twice the amount of horsepower as a maclaren to do it ..... o and i was recently looking at a Skyline that can do 0 -200 in 14 seconds

i suppose they do it faster than a maclaren but there you go it took japan a while before they broke 200mph with a skyline

i agree with you on every part

except "you obviously know nothing about skylines"
quite frankly you can go fuck yourself

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RB26DETT is Japans most powerful engine or potentially
twin turbo
six cylinder
twin cam
it has super hicas steering system which means when grip is lost at the rear power is sent to the front meaning it is not a full time AWD its one of the most advanced cornering machines in the world,
Its the fastest production car around the nurburgring and i have seen a stock R33 do a race course faster than a 500hp Ferrari

Don't go ranting about people you do not know !!

Only one car on that list would be tuned by m: Skyline GTR boo ya!
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Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


yea 200 mph they do it alot in Japan

one of the recent super streets has a 246mph Supra normal everyday car built by JUN

Umm. That Supra is nowhere NEAR a "normal everyday car"...
It's a purpose built "top speed" car. Although, it didn't break the record!

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
i agree with you on every part

except "you obviously know nothing about skylines"
quite frankly you can go fuck yourself

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Don't go ranting about people you do not know !! :mad: I'm sure Razor knows a bit about Skylines, since he owns a GT-R and all. Perhaps you should keep your own ranting in check.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
except "you obviously know nothing about skylines"
quite frankly you can go fuck yourself it has super hicas steering system which means when grip is lost at the rear power is sent to the front meaning it is not a full time AWD its one of the most advanced cornering machines in the world,
Its the fastest production car around the nurburgring and i have seen a stock R33 do a race course faster than a 500hp Ferrari

Don't go ranting about people you do not know !!

You are as ignorant as you are arrogant.

For one the steering has nothing to do with the 4wd system or ATTESSA system. That is a seperately contorlled system. The factory torque split controller works off 6 sensors. 2 G-force sensor one latterally one longitude. Two sensors are one on each side of the rear diff housing which engage a small cog gear to detect slipage of the rear wheels based on the rolling speed of the front wheels which are also cog geared and sensored. It is the same with the GTS4 which shares many of the identical running gear parts, hence is named the baby Godzilla. There was a very good article of a guy in Australia who used an electronic system he built to even enhance the factory system more or less depending on driving conditions and needs. It is also critical that all four wheels and tyres are the same size in diameter and condition as that can also cause problems with the 4wd systems.

For the record the active steering or HICAS only comes into play after 80kph, unlike many other systems which are generaly reserved for parking and only work at under 20kph. Also for some more information on that. Many if not all the racing teams disable the 4ws system as it can give you the same symptoms as a tyre going down if not working properly. It is either completely removed and a hybred power steering pump used 50% skyline GTS (non type S) and a primera pump housing, or they pin them with one of the many aftermarket kits available.

The record a nurburgring was reset by the R34 GTR Vspec I.


Get your facts right the first time and I won't have to come back in here and correct you like a little boy. I say little boy because you comments are that of a young person of whom has no common sense and it looks like you have been getting your mis-guided information from sources that are just as fucked up as you are! Now little boy go back and start doing your research again. Once you have completed it come back here and enlighten me.

Now be a good little boy and do as your daddy says. :finger4: