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hey guys , i just bought a 98 talon AWD, it has about 120 k on it, this is my first turbo charged car, and i have NO idea where to begin with it. im working with about 2 grand to fix it up, any advice on where i should start... and hopefully no one says a engine rebuild. o and around what mileage does the timing like to go out on thease cars ? thanks for ANY help guys

dan

I would probably suggest you take a look at the condition of the T belt and if it looks worn at all, replace it. All the other general maintenace like tranny fluid and coolant flush, replace the fuel filter, maybe the spark plugs and wires if they look worn, etc. Get it running at optimum level, then maybe look at some basic bolt on mods if your wanting a little more power.

Like _eclipse_ said, give the car a general tune up. Plugs (ngk's), wires, fuel and air filters, coolant flush...things like that. Also look into the timing belt. We're supposed to replace ours RELIGIOUSLY at 60-70k miles, and at the 120k mark you're looking at doing the second timing belt job. They're not *hard* to do at all, they just take some patience and knowledge. If you're good with your hands and cars, you should be able to pull it off no problem, just make sure you do some reading first and ask ANY questions you have. A messed up timing belt job could end you up with a bunch of bent valves, or even worse a whole engine that's wrecked. Then check into some general mods like some hard intercooler pipes, manual boost controller, BOV, and an upgraded exhaust.

dsmtuners.com also has a great upgrade path, check it out. http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=2gtstage0power

Couldnt have said it better myself. Do a little bit of research and find out what ur goals are for the car. Then do a lot more research. Ive been on here for 9 months or so, and have been helped through every step along the way. From my turbo intake making a whistling sound to what intercooler to buy. Check the upgrade path like GT said, it is basically what i did step after step. I started out with a boost gauge, turbo intake, BOV, MBC and a 3 inch exhaust as my first purchases.

thanks a bunch guys...whats the easy way to just check the t belt? o i was going to get a hyines manual..i know thats not how u spell it. just so i can see how everything comes off...this car has been sitting for about 7 months and its a older fella that im getting it off of. it needs eather the filter or fuel pump and i get to take it for $1300.. the body is in great shape..its going to be a hella upgrade from my little ford escort zx2.....well as far as what path i wanna go with this car for the moment...the car is gonna be my daily driver and im gonna have the zx2 as my back up car...and i know the car as it sits 100% stock and shits and gets as it is but i wanna be sure that no lil honda gets me at a green light...i kinda wanna make it a sleeper. so im not going to do a body kit.. maybe a front bumper just to hide the innercooler if i get/ need one.. i was looking at some of the sites that are in the stickys and are they all good and trustworthy? im not a fab. man so i dont wanna get a lota parts that need to be fabed. overall i would like to see about 250 to 300 hp and as i said im working with about 2 grand or so....thanks again guys

Dan

o one more thing it is a 5 speed..i dont know if a 98 AWD's are or not . like i said i dont know much about this car.

If it were my car, I would replace the timing belt if I didn't know the service history. If you can do the work yourself, the parts will run around $325. Other than that, everyone is correct. Plugs, wires, fuel filter, coolant, oil, trans fluid, brake fluid, clutch fluid, etc.

I'm confused by your last post?? In your first post, you stated that the car is a Talon AWD, but in your last post you asked if 98's are AWD???

options on both 5-speed and auto... hope for you its a 5-speed...

no i was asking if if 98 AWD all were 5 speeds .... cause that is what my car is thank god..im tired of auto trans lol

yeah i am planning on doing a FULL tune up..t belt fulsh EVERY thing..it has new plugs and wires i dont know what brand off hand..im going to get the car this weekend...where or should i say what site is like a one stop shop for this stuff ? ( t belt set...fluids.that sort of stuff)

no i was asking if if 98 AWD all were 5 speeds .... cause that is what my car is thank god..im tired of auto trans lol
i told you it was an option, you could have either auto, or a 5-speed :icon16:

98 TSI AWD = sexies DSM in production. You're getting a VERY, VERY good deal on one hella sexy car, I only wish I could be that lucky.

For the parts on the timing belt, you can get them pretty much everywhere.

extrememotorsports.com
slowboyracing.com
magnusmotorsports.com
roadraceengineering.com

All of those sites should have the parts that you need, just do some shopping around to find which ones you can get cheaper. Also I suggest going with the balance shaft eliminator kit, it's a fairly simple modification and eliminates the need for that pesty balance shaft belt.

yea dude you just lucked out big time I'm kinda jealous. When I bought my TSI AWD a very long time ago it cost me 11500 CDN. these guys got the right idea on what to do first just listen to em all they know their stuff.

thanks for all the help guys ..ill be keeping u all posted on my progress and asking hella more questions..... ok i gotta ask what is the balance shaft? pros and cons of keeping it or getting rid of it ..and what is involved in taking it off...im guessing its right there when i do the t belt.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=605377&highlight=balance+shaft+removal
seek and you shall find

sweet thanks for that steviek... ok no im thinking about the t belt kit...what does a good one include? i have saw like 4 diff ones .... does any know if this site is any good www.ongreenperformance.com (http://www.ongreenperformance.com) ?

That site doesn't look too bad and their prices don't look that bad, but there's just something about it that bothers me (except for the fact that they can't spell through).

I personally would go with a proven dealer though. Extremepsi.com usually has good prices on parts for our car and I know alot of guys on here have done business with them and have nothing but good things to say.

EDIT: Here, I put a list of things from extremepsi.com together for you. Total cost = 217.49

Timing belt - http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17889&cat=865&page=1
Timing belt idler pulley - http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=18918&cat=865&page=1
Timing belt tensioner pulley - http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=18429&cat=865&page=1
Timing belt tensioner - http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=18426&cat=865&page=1

where or should i say what site is like a one stop shop for this stuff ? ( t belt set...fluids.that sort of stuff)

I would get the fluids at your neighborhood parts store, unless you want something high-end that they don't carry. No sense paying for shipping for something like that.

Anyway, I just picked up all the timing belt components from www.extrememotorsports.com for $325. That includes the timing belt, balancer belt, all three bearings, hydraulic tensioner, water pump, and water pump gasket.

It is highly recommened that you replace everything while you are there. It's only a couple dollars more in parts, and can save you hours and hours of labor later. :wink:

sweet thank for the help..

im really thinking about doing that balance shaft deleat. im guessing the kit from extrememotorsprots is a good one to go with?

Yes. And you're thinking correctly about getting rid of that pesty belt, causes nothing but problems.

ok after i get all that tune up stuff done..i was thinking about starting with somthing small like cold air intake and a short shifter, ive looked and to tell ya the truth i could not find much of any CAI's , and i found a b&M shifter i like..any thing else u guys can think of ?

$30 ebay "short ram" intake and then get a K&N filter for it, an aftermarket short throw, some new shifter bushings, and maybe a nice exhaust, that should get you off to a good start.

yeah i was looking at some exhausts ...i was readin some of the threads and i read somthing about a megan 3" (cat back, turbo back?).. i personaly would like to do a full turbo back. just to get rid of the old stuff and make it look better and of corse better profomance :) . but when /if i do that do i need to get a better intake manafold also or does it matter?

A 3" Megan turbo-back would be a good exhaust, and no, you shouldn't need a new manifold, everything should bolt right up to what you have.

ok next question..i have not been able to find one? u know of a sit off hand ?

as far as the intake this is about the only thing that i can find in ebay that did not say it was for non turbo http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/95-96-97-98-Eagle-Talon-TSI-Air-Intake-Adapter-Filter_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33659QQihZ019QQi temZ290111905923QQrdZ1
when i do get the 3" exhaust . what else do i need to get ? down pipe..test pipe (what ever that is lol)

When you do the intake, I would get rid of all the piping from the stock box to the turbo. As for a CAI, you can't get them for a GST / GSX. If you have a short route FMIC you can fab one up yourself, but it's really not worth it. If you are looking for lower intake charge temps, go with a FMIC or methanol injection.

As for the exhaust, the size of the piping is going to be determined by how large of a turbo you want to run. For anything up to a EVO III 16g, 2.5" piping would be fine, but if you plan on going larger, most people say to go with 3". Depending on your states emissions testing, that will dictate weather you go with a test pipe or a high flow cat. I preferred the high flow cat, because I'm not looking for anything loud. Actually, I want it as quiet as stock. A test pipe is going to provide more flow, but it's going to be illegal (in all 50 states) and much louder.

Don't worry about your intake manifold, we can talk about replacing that when you start pushing around 400WHP. :)

lol i dont have a gts or gsx ..well i dont think i do,, i have no idea what u said. i even tryed jumping and it still did not hit me. im getting a 98 talon tsi awd 5 speed..it is 100 % stock...as for the trubo? the older guy im getting the car off of said it worked find when he parked it..but now it wond start...so he had it towed to a auto shop and they told him its the fuel pump or filter... no bigger it will take me 2 hours 4 max to do both of them.. i know kinda off subject ..just giving some background...ok back to the tubo, the car has about 120k on it so i dont know about getting a bigger turbo or just staying with the stock one. and as for fabing a cia ..i dont have much of any knowhow of how to. and does this car have a stock fmic ? and one more newbe question how does a innercooler work..it lowers the air temp ? right ? but how and where does it rought ?
thanks to everyone for helpin a newbe out ..
Dan

Just to get things straight for ya, the Eclipse and Talon are almost the exact same cars, except for a few minor mods (like the taillights and bumpers on the 95-98)

95-99 Eclipse GST is the same as a 95-98 Talon TSI
95-99 Eclipse GSX is the same as a 95-98 Talon TSI AWD
95-99 Eclipse RS/GS is the same as the 95-97 Talon ESI

These 95-98 or 99 cars are also called 2g dsms, because they are the second generation. The 1st gen ones are from 90-94, so if someone says something about your "2g", that's what we're talking about, FYI.

Anytime you order a part for your TSI AWD, the exact same part will fit on the GSX (and some GS-T). All of the 95-98(99) turbo cars have the exact same motor and everything, so if you're ordering an engine part, you could get one for either a FWD turbo or an AWD turbo, the ony time you need to worry about ordering different parts is if it's an "emblem" part (i.e the steering wheels have a Mitsu or Eagle emblem, same with the bumpers).

For right now I wouldn't worry about the turbo, just get it tuned up and get some of the basic mods out of the way and then start worrying about the turbo down the road. You have lots and LOTS of reading to do here, and if you take the time, you'll learn a TON, trust me, each member here has gone through it.

The stock 2g turbo's come with an intercooler, but it's a SMIC (side mount intercooler) versus an FMIC (front mount). As for how they work, they basically work like a radiator but for your intake air.

Here's a little better explanation of how intercoolers and turbos work and what not, it's a really good site and if you have ANY questions abouthow things work on cars, this would be a good place to look it up.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo2.htm

I think I about covered it all......

ok that clears things up thanks

FYI, this is a GREAT site for information about our cars and the 1000faq does wonders. 99% of your general "about these cars" questions will be answered here. :thumbsup:

http://www.vfaq.com/index-main.html

And if you like history....a great DSM history lesson.

http://geocities.com/seegs_82/

yeah ive been looking at that ...i did not know that ths stock hp on this car was so high (210) . i thought it was around 170 or so..

210 at the crank, proabably closer to 170 at the wheels.

ok so i was reading on how to do the T belt...do i need the special tool...for the tensioner arm ..?

damn ive done t belts befor and this one looks "fun"..about how long can i expect to be doing this .. im about a 7 out of 10 when it comes to working on cars

Probably a whole afternoon for disassembly and re-assembly. I'm guessing probably about 4-6 hours. Go SLOW though, don't rush. Bad timing = bent valves.

yeah thats the only think im dreading...bending some valves...i know i can do it..hell i was 16 when i pulled a tranie out a 91 lebaron and not knowing what the hell i was doing and just having a haynes book to guide me

I was looking at the web site for the turbonator. i was wondering if any of you have heard word on if this thing works. let me know.

Yeah, if I were you when you're installing it, get everything finished up and then let the motor sit overnight (don't put anything back on yet, or if you have other mods (tune-ups) to do, do them now so the timing belt can sit for a few hours) and then check the timing again just to make sure the belt hasn't stretched or anything, because it does happen every once in awhile. Then turn the motor over 2 revolutions (IIRC) and make sure the marks still line up perfectly. If so, proceed to put everything back together and enjoy a newly-tuned car.

ok i was wondering if i should really do that, let it sit. im deff gonna now cause i dont need a blown motor. ill be getting started on this here in the next week so ill post back with questions/comments/conserns and let everyone know how it went...then i can get started on the real fun..DRIVING IT

Good luck and keep us posted.

I was looking at the web site for the turbonator. i was wondering if any of you have heard word on if this thing works. let me know.

No, if your talking about the thing that goes into your intake pipe and supposedly "swirls" the air around.

I was looking at the web site for the turbonator. i was wondering if any of you have heard word on if this thing works. let me know.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hell no... it blocks the intake passage=big restriction=less hp=waste of money!!!!11!!!11!!!!!!!1!!

ti thought so i just wanted to hear what you guys thought.

ok somthing i thought of since im gonna be in the same genneral area with everything tore apart...what about a exhaust system, i was thinkin turbo back...and doin the cai...any good place to go or place not to go for them ?

o and front and rear strut bar ( will an ebay specail do?) and i want to drop the car down about a inch -inch and half or so...there that should take up enough time for the t belt to sit lol (and bite and hole in my walet)

Megan racing makes some great exhausts, otherwise you could go to a local shop and have them mandrel bend a custom exhaust and you could just get a muffler, or find a used one one ebay. I have an Apexi N1 on my Talon and it sounds awesome. Not high pitched or raspy at all, it's a nice low growl.

For the strut braces, ebay ones should work just fine.

:1: for the Apexi N1 turbo back exhaust!
heres my car after i did my FIC (sorry if you guys have already seen it, but i want to show 20zetechzscort what it sounds like)
* i have friends who have the megan racing N1, car sounds REALLY close to the same...*

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/ceb45648-4e58-4e9f-a344-99220185ed34.htm

:1: for the Apexi N1 turbo back exhaust!
heres my car after i did my FIC (sorry if you guys have already seen it, but i want to show 20zetechzscort what it sounds like)
* i have friends who have the megan racing N1, car sounds REALLY close to the same...*

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/c...220185ed34.htm

I get an error clicking the link...

20zetechzscort you should just edit your post if your going to add information and nobody has replied yet, no sense in posting multiple times in a short time span like that.

I get an error clicking the link...
link fixed, my bad! :icon16:

here's my exhaust
just some comparison
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9e98bf4d-8bf4-42b7-9885-99240131862c.htm

here's my exhaust
just some comparison
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9e98bf4d-8bf4-42b7-9885-99240131862c.htm
his had wiseco pistons, eagle rods, upgraded valve springs and a evo3 16g turbo, mine has only whats listed in the video (yours will probably sound more like mine... :2cents:

This is the exhaust I bought it was extremely well made and there were no fitment issues at all and it sounds really nice ;)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140105417967&rd=1

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i have a 2000 audi 1.8t (turbo) what can i do to make this car go faster

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i have a 2000 audi 1.8t (turbo) what can i do to make this car go faster
welcome to the dsm forums for eclipse talon and lasers
there is a audi forum aswell also this thread has nothing to do with what you are looking for so please don't try and hijack it. If i were you I would go to the audi forum do a search for bolt on mods and then if nothing make a new thread with something similar to what you wrote for us but maybe with a little more information. If you want a complete shot in the dark since i know nothing about audi's im just gonna go ahead and guess intake and exhaust are good places to start.

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We can tell........

Sell the Audi, buy an Eclipse or Talon, and then come back asking questions. :thumbsup: