Murcielago Is The Best!!!

well our old 540 is 3 years now and it´s getting to many km-... more than 70000...
we´ll get one with about 2 or 3000 km in march! and we´ll sell the other!
z4 we´ll probably get at the end of 2003 then we´ll sell our z3.
i hope we´ll get the z4 3,0 but we don´t know yet.
the e60 ( we always need a estate cause of our 2 dogs) will be released after the iaa 2003 in oktober i think maybe in spring 2004 well sell the 540 we´ll get and by the e60.. but let´s wait and see

but 70,000km is nothing for a BMW!

nice plan nevertheless.. there will always be nice cars in the family :)

70000 km is enough believe me...
the first problems and bigger repairs will come soon

We sold our 5-series when it got to 100k kms and we never had a single major problem with the car. In fact, we only ever had one problem with it, which is that it wouldnt start one morning... Thats not bad in 6 years of ownership!

yyea so you had much look and a really good modell!
1 problem... that´s nothing! we had 4 or 5 times problems
with the battery we had 2 problems
twice the battery had to be changed...
problems with navigation system
problems with catalyst and exhaust system...
engine problems and so on...

you didnt have much luck... ok, i agree, sell it!

I agree with you both. I'd rather own a BMW than a comparable MB. My wife I thin has had some regrets about getting the MB. It's a great car don't get me wrong. But she as mentioned that it seems like Its the most common car on the road (at least here in Dallas). And it always seems that old ladies are driving them. I think If she had it to do over again she get the new 7 series. Iv'e heard her comment about it every time we see one. Although I suspect she'd may prefer the ride of the MB. Now that I think about it, she was originally looking at a 911. I'm not sure what go into her.

Actually, Mercedes = Chrysler, not GM.

Hey YJHeD

What SUV would you recomend for an everyday driving vehicle.
Ive got no kids and I dont take it off road.

Originally posted by YJHeD
Actually, Mercedes = Chrysler, not GM.

thanks!:) i was confused a bit :mad:

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
Hey YJHeD

What SUV would you recomend for an everyday driving vehicle.
Ive got no kids and I dont take it off road.
i don´t think you would like a real off road car, right?

maybe a BMW X5 4,6 iS would be the right for you
i don´t know if you like the styling of the porsche cayenne... have a look for both and take a ride!

That's kind of a hard question because I don't know what price range you're looking for. But, considering the fact you own a Lamborghini I'm guessing money isn't your biggest concern.

Being partial to Chrysler products, I would recommend the Jeep Grand Cherokee. I own one and I love it. It's a '96 with 90,000 miles on it and no major repairs have been needed. The engine runs strong and shows no signs of dying anytime soon. My mom actually drove it 13,000 miles without changing the oil, when the oil light came on she added five, yes FIVE (the entire capacity!), quarts of oil to it and drove another couple thousand miles. Oh yeah, and that little 5.2L V8 pulled my Jeep Wrangler and all my stuff home from Wyoming to California with no problem at all. Enough about mine. The new Jeeps have a 4.7L High Output engine which have more power and better gas mileage than the old 5.2L. It has 245 HP stock but if that isn't enough for you you can bolt on a supercharger and get about 340 HP. Grand Cherokees also have good on-road characteristics and of course are always at home in the dirt. If you don't like the way the Grand Cherokee looks you can go with the Dodge Durango, it's basically the same car just a little less expensive and not as luxurious.

Enough of the advertisement for Jeep. My mom now owns Lexus RX300 and it is a great car. It more quite than the Jeep and handles better. It's a smaller, lighter SUV but has less power. It's made by Toyota so I'm sure the engine will last you a good 300,000 miles. The only thing I don't like about it is the styling. It looks good but it's a little too feminine for me.

I'm sure the BMW X5 and Mercedes ML430 are great cars. I don't have any experience driving them. The both look good and I'm sure the have a luxuries and power you'd want. Also take a look at Land Rover, they're a bit pricey but people really seem to love them. Crazyjay probably knows more about them than I do. You can go to www.epinions.com to check out what owners are saying about these cars.

I'd go with the Jeep, but I'm not sure if your looking for a muscle SUV. It would probably be less of a driving shock going from your Lamorghini to the Mercedes/Lexus/BMW than to the Jeep.

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
I agree with you both. I'd rather own a BMW than a comparable MB. My wife I thin has had some regrets about getting the MB. It's a great car don't get me wrong. But she as mentioned that it seems like Its the most common car on the road (at least here in Dallas). And it always seems that old ladies are driving them. I think If she had it to do over again she get the new 7 series. Iv'e heard her comment about it every time we see one. Although I suspect she'd may prefer the ride of the MB. Now that I think about it, she was originally looking at a 911. I'm not sure what go into her.

So what Merc does she have? S-class?

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
Hey YJHeD

What SUV would you recomend for an everyday driving vehicle.
Ive got no kids and I dont take it off road.

sorry, i know it wasnt intended for me, but i cant resist...

Menu is correct, a BMW X5 is right down your alley. I wouldnt go for a 4.6iS for everyday driving though, the ride is too harsh and it wouldnt be nice to put up with all day. Sacrifice a little horsepower (not that much) and plump for the 4.4i.
Still fast, still excellent to drive, the best 4-by-4-by-far :D

good luck

I forgot, its best attraction is that its by far the least 4x4-like and most car-like to drive out of all the SUV's. That counts for a lot for me, i dont like having a heavy SUV rolling through corners, which is what a Range Rover does. And the X5 is still very luxurious and comfortable inside, not as sumptuous as the new Range, which is also recommended, but still very high quality and comfort.

Originally posted by crayzayjay
I forgot, its best attraction is that its by far the least 4x4-like and most car-like to drive out of all the SUV's. That counts for a lot for me, i dont like having a heavy SUV rolling through corners, which is what a Range Rover does. And the X5 is still very luxurious and comfortable inside, not as sumptuous as the new Range, which is also recommended, but still very high quality and comfort.

why would you say the 4.4 litre is better for tony?
the difference will be big by driving a lambo and then a suv but the difference won´t be too big by owning a x5 4.6 iS
the 4.4 produces 286 ps and 550 nm
the 4,6 iS motor is not build by bmw it´s build by ALPINA
i think it has about 340 ps i´m not sure.
i think tony wants to buy it new??? the waiting times are quite long so think about one with low milage about 2000-7000 km oh miles sorry.

The 4.6iS is great, you were close with the numbers, its has 347bhp compared to the 4.4's 286. But the 4.4's performance isnt that far off the 4.6's and its more comfortable to cruise in due to the slightly softer suspension. For a day to day drive i think this would be more cosseting and comfortable.

Thanks for all the advice. I think if I was single I'd look at the Jeep. I have to take into account that my wife will end up driving it a lot. So perhaps the LX300 or the BMW. On the other hand my wife may prefer an off-road vehicle. Sometimes women will suprise you.

A friend at work is happy with her Acura. Any thoughts?

yea the lx is also a good choice!

but about the acura i cannot tell you anything:(

Yes, the LX is a decent off-roader but when compared to the X5 cracks begin to show in its armour.

Acura i cant tell you anything about either... I think its the same as Honda or something to that effect... :confused:

well acura i would not recommend

I once owned an Acura Legend and I liked it. Today I have an Acura NSX and its excellent. My experience with Acura has been good. Is it the Acura SUV you dont recommend or just Acura in general?

well
the styling is quite good
about the performance i don´t know much
and the transmission is only automatic i think...
and the stiffness of the body is not the best...

but choose the car YOU like most!
and thanks again for the AoM game!!!!! :)

I'm not really interested in the Acura, I was just asking.

>>"AoM"<<
Did you receive it already?

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
I once owned an Acura Legend and I liked it. Today I have an Acura NSX and its excellent. My experience with Acura has been good. Is it the Acura SUV you dont recommend or just Acura in general?
well those are the top of the line Acura models you've experienced so it's understandable they were good! This is what i dug up on the Acura MDX SUv:

"Not X5 athletic, but more nimble than RX 300 or a Mercedes M-Class. Sporty at reasonable cornering speeds, with moderate SUV body lean, but feels typically unsteady in sudden swerves. ABS provides short stops with little nosedive, but the brakes were touchy on our test Touring model."

Looks wise i think its very average, kinda blends into the background

More on:

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/20765.htm

Originally posted by Menu dei Motori

and thanks again for the AoM game!!!!! :)

AoM?

I sent Menu our latest PC game "Age of Mythology".

tony i was wondering if you would mind posting pics of your nsx and any other cars that are nice you have. sounds like you get to enjoy your money rather well.

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
I'm not really interested in the Acura, I was just asking.

>>"AoM"<<
Did you receive it already?

hi tony thanks so much!
i got it but i did not have time to play it because i´ll write a latin test on monday so i have to learn!
but thanks!!!
very kind of you!

greeets

MArius

You want an SUV that will go off-road????


Porsche Cayenne S or Turbo- thats the only name you need to know in this company :D

Originally posted by YJHeD
Lamorghini's are overrated. Sure, they look alright (more like an airplane wing with tires) but they don't perform. Please explain why a Hennessey Viper Venom 800 will kick the shit out of any Lamborghini and cost 1/3 of the price.

That was probably the most retarded argument I have ever heard.
The Viper V10 is a Lamborghini engine.

Originally posted by Deakins


That was probably the most retarded argument I have ever heard.
The Viper V10 is a Lamborghini engine. He also failed to take into account the hact that Hennessy Vipers disintergate after 15,000 miles- and THAT is a well-documented fact- it was what sent Hnnessy bankrupt

Originally posted by Deakins


That was probably the most retarded argument I have ever heard.
The Viper V10 is a Lamborghini engine.

It's not Lambo's engine, they didn't make it, they aren't still making it, Chrysler simply had Lamborghini help them with it. When the Viper was first on the drawing board they had even considered using a 426 HEMI or a 440 even, but since the prototype V-10 was in their heads they used that instead and just lightened it up and made it more powerful. And the new Viper had no help from anyone at all, and that can beat a Lambo.

Originally posted by Jimmy_11_cars
He also failed to take into account the hact that Hennessy Vipers disintergate after 15,000 miles- and THAT is a well-documented fact- it was what sent Hnnessy bankrupt

Where did you hear this? The reason he is bankrupt is for being a con man. He took peoples cars and said he was working on them when he wasn't. And if you dont have respect for the 800TT, go look at his 1000TT.

Btw, they only ran 6 psi on the 800TT, that's nothin really, and they even lowered the compression ratio to deal with the turbos, they wont blow up after 15,000 miles.

Thanks v10_viper, it's nice to finally see someone who know's about cars here. take Jimmy_11's quote for example:
"You want an SUV that will go off-road????
Porsche Cayenne S or Turbo- thats the only name you need to know in this company". everybody knows that the new Porche wasn't designed to go off-road. most of these people in the room only know HP ratings and designs. you better watch out though, these guys are very quick to call moderators into the room if they feel their ego is in danger of being damaged.

oh yeah--don't think i was knocking Porche right there, i love that company. the GT3 is one of the most beautiful machines on earth.

Originally posted by YJHeD
Thanks v10_viper, it's nice to finally see someone who know's about cars here. take Jimmy_11's quote for example:
"You want an SUV that will go off-road????
Porsche Cayenne S or Turbo- thats the only name you need to know in this company". everybody knows that the new Porche wasn't designed to go off-road. most of these people in the room only know HP ratings and designs. you better watch out though, these guys are very quick to call moderators into the room if they feel their ego is in danger of being damaged.

oh yeah--don't think i was knocking Porche right there, i love that company. the GT3 is one of the most beautiful machines on earth.

Oh boo-fucking hoo- The number 1 prirority when designing the Porsche Cayenne was to give it off-road performance to match that of the Range Rover HENCE stealing sales- and I have read a newspaper article on the Cayenne where they had nothing but praise for the Cayennes off-road performance- that ish has torque to boot. Remember if you want me to scan the article just shout-out.

And, chances are I know far more than you about cars- I am the general manager of the FIAT Alfa Romeo Lancia Autos dealership in Genoa AND I have to make serious decisions for our tech department- In fact I'm higher in the Auto industry than you will ever be- you don't know shit about what you are talking about so get lost- Isn't it clear enough that no-one on these boards likes you???? :confused:

Jimmy: Yes, I would like to see that article on the Cayennes off-road performance. And how is it possible that you know more about cars than I do when I've been trained by Mercedes to be a technician? I've also done all the modifications to my Jeep myself. Please tell me about these important decisions that you make for your tech department that makes you so knowledgeable in the mechanics of automobiles. I seriously doubt you are in a higher place in the automotive industry than I will ever be. I'm only 20 and a technician for Mercedes and I'm working on getting into a major university for a Masters degree in automotive engineering. So, Mr. General Manager, keep ordering those oxygen sensors and tires when your shop gets low on supply.

Oh yeah--Why would I care if anybody in here likes me?

Originally posted by v10_viper

It's not Lambo's engine, they didn't make it, they aren't still making it, Chrysler simply had Lamborghini help them with it. When the Viper was first on the drawing board they had even considered using a 426 HEMI or a 440 even, but since the prototype V-10 was in their heads they used that instead and just lightened it up and made it more powerful. And the new Viper had no help from anyone at all, and that can beat a Lambo.

They used their own V10 in one of the prototypes, but that was to heavy, so they turned to Lamborghini, and they made the aluminum V10 Dodge used in the production car.

Originally posted by YJHeD
Jimmy: Yes, I would like to see that article on the Cayennes off-road performance. And how is it possible that you know more about cars than I do when I've been trained by Mercedes to be a technician? I've also done all the modifications to my Jeep myself. Please tell me about these important decisions that you make for your tech department that makes you so knowledgeable in the mechanics of automobiles. I seriously doubt you are in a higher place in the automotive industry than I will ever be. I'm only 20 and a technician for Mercedes and I'm working on getting into a major university for a Masters degree in automotive engineering. So, Mr. General Manager, keep ordering those oxygen sensors and tires when your shop gets low on supply.

Oh yeah--Why would I care if anybody in here likes me?


Wonderful for you- I did all teh modifications to my 156 myself- and that is a far more sophisticated car than your Jeep- that required a lot more thought- such as not wanting to ruin the harmonious induction noise or spoil the cars perfect handling ability.

Guess what- I am 27 and I already have been assigned to Manage a key dealership- in fact about the 7th largest fleet-leasing agenncy in the whole of Italy- if that don't sound impresive- remember- I am still only 27.

It is one of my duties to help out the n00b technical staff as well and supervising them they do ALL service/repairs correctly AND how to check the rest of the car for signs that a certain component needs repair.

And yes ordering Oxygen sensors and tyres is one of my many responsibilities.

No need to scan the Cayenne article I found it on the net-http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2131550a2021,00.html - I'd also like to interest you in these OTHER journalists who have ALSO praised the Cayennes off-road performance- but if you still want me to scan it the shout out.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/motoring/roadtests/roadtest_570_1.html
http://motoring.iafrica.com/roadtest/186838.htm
http://newsmotoring.news.com.au/thecouriermail/story_page/0,8269,5607884%255E3065,00.html
http://www.carpages.co.uk/news/porsche/porsche_cayenne_sets_new_standards_part_1_10_06_02 .asp
There are more- but I'll leave you to find those


Also check out what they are going to do here-
http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_leipzig_porsches_crown/

Originally posted by YJHeD
did you mention Alfa Romeo and style in the same paragraph? those are the worst looking cars ever built. ill name an american car with the same style. FORD PINTO!!!!!!!!!! how about the GREMLIN!!!!!!!! ive taken shits that look better than an Alfa Romeo.

http://www.alfapower.nu/albums/album39/aaa.sized.jpg

You must have pretty shits.


http://www.asaf.co.il/alfa/images/156.jpg

> (greater than)

http://www.chevrolet.com/malibu/images/gallery/gallery_major06.jpg


By the way, learn how to capitalize and use punctuation yourself before critisizing others.

Not that this thread isn't already bastardized enough, but if you think that the Cayenne wasn't built with off road performance in mind, you're sorely mistaken. If you take 5 minutes and watch some of the movies on Porsche's website, you'll figure out that even the 911 Carrera 4 was built with off road performance in mind. The C4 can probably do things that half the SUV's in the world can't. The Cayenne even trumps the H2 in many off road situations.