36 cylinders

I'm glad to announce yet another triple WIP - Alex, Steve, and myself decided to build the same kit and by doing this push ourselves to the extremes of modelmaking (yeah, ok) We decided to build Ferrari 166MM Barchetta - the first Ferrari to gain international racing success, first one to win 24 hours of Le Mans, and one of the most beautiful cars of its time. Here is the kit - Model Factory Hiro 166MM in 1/24 scale:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/slidingbox166.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166pieces.jpg

Each of us will make announcements as to the version we will be building. I'm going to build the # 0064 frame with an original two tones livery, in TdF blue and Tourquoise. Me and Steven seen it recently at a show:.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/16664B.jpg

Alex and Steve's announcements are to follow.

Since I am a sucker for punishment I'll be trying to slightly convert the MFH stock kit into this version

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/REFS/No.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/REFS/no20introshot_02.jpg

Why? Because if it doesn't work out, I can just commit hara-kiri on that cheese cutter number board on the trunk :D

EDIT: Would this be considered as a WIPle Triple??

My contribution will be 49 Le Mans winner car #22:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/jter/11.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/jter/12.jpg

alex

Wow guys, three fantastic builders. I cannot wait to watch this thread progress. Hurry up and get started!

I always have nothing to say to such an event! Come on guys!

This will be really interesting to watch!

if i were a dog and this thread was a leg, i'd be humping the monitor right now.

if i were a dog and this thread was a leg, i'd be humping the monitor right now.

It's too bad you're not a dog. So, what would a monkey who has had too much Jack Daniels do? ;)

I think this is the part where I pack things up and just sit back and watch. You guys get all the girls too I bet!

This will be so nice... I'll have to somehow chain myself to the monitor from now on

Never heard of this car before. I'm excited.

OK guys, at work! My first Hiro! I have to say that I found it harder than expected but also fun, very fun, I'm starting to love work with metal. First updates:

Engine: soldered togheter main pieces, little parts was glued (CA and 2K glue)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/motore2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/motore1.jpg

I turned some little parts like starter and coils, all parts was cleaned with files, sandpaper and wire brush mounted on dremel:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/part-motore.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/partmot2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/enginepart3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/enginepart2.jpg

PE on camcover was solded , I choose t cut out casted bolts to clean better parts (they have yet a lot of prototyping layers marks) and to use spare dressed bolts:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/teste.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/testafresa1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/testafresa2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/testafresata.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/incollacilindri.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/incollaticil.jpg

Sakatsu 0.8 mm diam bolts was glued in place

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/bulloni1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/166MM/bulloni2.jpg

I know: they're a bit oversized but a lot is done by the macro effect: a lot of friends was surprised viewing by naked eye at Milan modelling show.

Looking at recent Hiro threads I wanted to paint the engine: but..

..l ast saturday, a superb modeler and good friend, R40, do this great job for me: he placed my stuff in the sandblaster machine and the result... well by naked eye is umbeliveable, seem... real :D. Distributor heads and other stuff was brunished with gun brunisher.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/engsab1.jpg

Hex botls mounted on clutch and gearbox: (not perfect at least)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/eng2fin.jpg

Frame cleaned with files, paper and wire brush, fitting test with engine: I'll try to follow a whote test with wheels, trackwidth etc..

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/enginebolt2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/balestre1.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/finibal.jpg

Also modified steering sistem, hoping to be able to set it to work.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/bal3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/bal2.jpg

Hex Bolts I handmade me:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/bull.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/telaio.jpg

The way I'm doing steering leverage to work:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/steering1.jpg

Front leaf spring fit test

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/balmount.jpg

... more to come with fitting test, thanks to read, I leave the word to my buddies

:worshippy

Can I borrow R40? :D

:worshippy

Can I borrow R40? :D

HE isn't the cool girl you mean LOL

Wow. Great project. This will be one of the most impressive group builds ever!

wow. that kit is gorgeous.

Sucks to have to correct and enhance a $200 kit eh.

Good work nonetheless!

:worshippy

Can I borrow R40? :D

In that case I want to borrow gio for all my kits left.:licka: BTW insane actions as always, how you did the bolts%nuts by your hand? That's a challenge to my imagination buddy!:uhoh:

Gio sets the bar. And sets it HIGH!
Great work buddy. I haven't even started. :-)

:popcorn: This is mind-blowing stuff... and it's has just started by only one third of the builders.
I'm afraid we'll be spoiled by this thread level but WTH! Bring it on! :smokin:

Very awesome! I'm excited to see more.

Woooowwwwww,
Another Wip from the 3 masters!
Can't wait to see the next stage!
Great Work on that engine and on the chassis.

Cheers,

Jamme

Sucks to have to correct and enhance a $200 kit


:iagree:

unbelievable job on those camcover details

Thanks guys, ever too gentle ;) BTW mine is something like an experiment since is the first metal stuff I have in hand: as said, fun.

Alex> can't say "can't wait to see your stuff" becouse I'm sure you'll do black my ass LOL
BTW, can't wait to see you and Steve at job on it: pretty fun and interesting do the same thing with different brains but similar knowledge, I'm sure we all will learn something new. Also I never said in public before but I'm happyand proud to be in the team ;) oki no more vaseline, promised LOL

Tang> I treid to search, I guess I seen a tutorial ages ago about doing hex bolts: anyway is pretty easy:

mount a metal (may be also plastic..) pipe on a pin wise (obviously with hex. end, if the end is turnable like the Tamy hand drill, fiss it with tape) and start to keep material with a file: round the pin wise 60° and do the same file passes, round again and again and you'll have a hex. pipe, than cut it in the desired width... oki try, easyest do that explain LOL

Sucks to have to correct and enhance a $200 kit eh.


No more than it sucks to correct and enhance a $10 kit. Its the subject that matters. I wish I could buy this model for $10 or $50, but it just is not possible.

This is my 1/3 of the 36 cylinders.

I will be slightly modifying the basic MFH kit to turn it into a representation of s/n 0010M which is currently owned by Jon Shirley, the former Chairman of Microsoft and an avid car collector and racer.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/REFS/02.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/REFS/No.jpg

0010 was the sister of 0008M which MFH used as the base for their kit so the changes that I shall be making are more cosmetic than fundamental. The most obvious of them are the extra fog light on the front grille, the distinctive “cheese cutter” number board and different number decals.

Since my build won’t be close to what Gio and Alex will undoubtedly be showing, what I lack in quality I will try and make up for in quantity. Therefore I will be (more or less) simultaneously building a second MFH Lemans kit – the Aston Martin DBR9. This’ll give us all 50 years of Lemans history for half the price LOL

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/2-pack.jpg

A couple of words about the kit which is a beautiful combination of white metal, resin, photo etch and turned aluminium all nicely packed in a little plastic compartment box.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/166MM-kit_01.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/166MM-kit_02.jpg

The quality of the resin casting is super although I have found a couple if tiny air bubbles in very visible places that will be a nuisance to remove. The white metal parts are very detailed but have rough surfaces that need a lot of clean-up. Total parts count for the kit is 382 pieces!

Here’s a little calculation for anyone who says MFH kits are expensive...
166MM: $288 / 382 parts = $0.75 per part
Enzo: $50 / 100 parts = $0.50 per part
So as you can see, Model Factory Hiro kits only cost 25 cents more than a Tamiya kit :D


First thing was an awful lot of prep work on the white metal.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/prepping_01.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/prepping_03.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/body-prep_02.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/frame_03.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/frame_02.jpg

Most worryingly there is severe “pitting” on the hood and trunk. I am hoping that primer will smooth cover this but I am not very optimistic.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/hood_01.jpg

See you later :)

" Here’s a little calculation for anyone who says MFH kits are expensive...166MM: $288 / 382 parts = $0.75 per part
Enzo: $50 / 100 parts = $0.50 per partSo as you can see, Model Factory Hiro kits only cost 25 cents more than a Tamiya kit :biggrin:"

Little macaco :D an enzo maybe cost a bit more than 50 bucks but for sure have almost the double of 100 piece ;)

BTW: with MFH you buy iron, at least, insthead mere plastic.... ;)

I'm tuned, and happy you give life to our thread, bravo!!!

PS, I never count 166's parts....... 382.... unbeliveable....

Gio, that's the whole point of statistical analysis and guesstimating - the ability to prove any thesis you want :lol: ;)

Of course I can cut a $10 Tamiya 7 into hundreds of parts, too! :p (Then again, once you factor in the cost of machine tooling, my way really isn't cheaper....:uhoh:)

Looking forward to that Aston, too!

Great to see movement on this WIP! Very interesting car and kit. Excellant start guys!

Gio, that's the whole point of statistical analysis and guesstimating - the ability to prove any thesis you want :lol: ;)

Also Steve we done 3 stars rating in two LOL Now we have to wait Alex to push up a bit :D LOL

Also Steve we done 3 stars rating in two LOL Now we have to wait Alex to push up a bit :D LOL
:rofl: :evillol:

I bet Andy didn't vote for us yet :shakehead :wink:

Hi you "Trio Infernale",

This isn´t a calculating forum - we want to see models :lol: :lol: !!!!!!!!!!

I must admit, I prefer modern cars, so THIS 1:1 Ferrari isn´t a real favourite of mine.
Nevertheless it is interesting to see what you make of the kit and what you improve (like Veyron said: improving a 200+ Euro kit seems to be a little bit :screwy: at first sight, but looking at what you have done so far it is worth the effort).

Looks very interesting so far, hope to see more soon :popcorn:

So far the only major issue with bad fitment I have come across is the front grille. The set up uses a p/e “egg crate” grille which is fitted into a white metal surround which in turn is inserted into the front of the resin body. Surprisingly the white metal frame is about 1,5 mm smaller then the hole in the resin body and leaves a very bad gap.

I fixed this by using c/a glue to attach a thin strip of styrene around the part and then sanded everything smooth and flat.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/grille_01.jpg

Right now I think it may be too tight and after painting may not fit so I will paint the surround gloss black and polished aluminum and then test again with the primed body. If necessary, I can slightly sand again to reduce the thickness.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/grille_02.jpg


I used light curing putty to close the locating holes for the second set of windscreens which were not fitted to s/n 0010M. I also used this putty on the white metal hood to close up a locating hole for a driving light which needs to be re-located.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/putty_01.jpg

Looks nice! You need to sand white metal to get rid of the pitting. No other way around this!
I need to get cranking on my kit. I have some things done, no pics yet though.

This is great stuff and will be cool to follow along.

Looking excellent guys, I like your reasoning on price Klutz.
Now we just have to wait for Alex to start.

I'm lost for words! These projects will be great to watch!

Hmm, those white metal parts look *less than satisfactory*. I'm sure you guys will do a number with them but I would certainly not care to try. Looking good so far!

Alex

Coated the parts with Zero Metal Etch primer and then 2 coats of Cobra Colors Moon Mud (light sanding between each coat) and it seems to have worked!

it still obviously needs some shaping work, but its getting there... ;)


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/primer-hood_04.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/primer-hood_03.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/primer-hood_02.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/primer-hood_01.jpg

Wow, looks much better! Good job Steven.

:eek2: How the hell!!!!! Ski you're skilled enough to turn the moon to a squeaky crystal ball...

simply wow. Gonna watch this 1 like a hawk

Slurp, this dish is one that takes time making, but will taste so good.

And you know why? The secret ingredient is there.


*all you need is love*

Yeah, polish that stuff goood. :grinyes: Great things are possible with 2000 grit sandpaper. :eek:

Looks like the boot lid especially still needs some fitting work around the edges, but it just takes a bit of effort, and (as Oli pointed out) loooove. :rolleyes: And more primer.

UPDATE 1.2

Moon Mud is truly a fantastic primer/micro-filler and it is a great shame that it is no longer available :(

I couldn’t wait any to start working on this part – the p/e leaf suspension springs :)

Each leaf spring is made up of a set of p/e bars

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/leaf-springs_01.jpg

These are easily removed from the fret and cleaned up with sanding sticks.

I used a toothpick and clamp to align and hold them while I ran thin c/a between the individual strips. When one half was done, I reversed the part in the clamp and glued the other half.

They are finished off with some small p/e bands that fold around the bars.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/leaf-springs_02.jpg

Really great fun to put together and very satisfying :)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/leaf-springs_rear_03.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/leaf-springs_front_04.jpg



Main parts of the chassis frame were primed with “Zero” etch primer. The paint guide calls out for semi-gloss black but since I was in “lacquer mode” after using the etch primer, I tried an experiment and sprayed everything with “Zero” Jet Black base coat.

IMO it is an excellent match for semi gloss and what’s more is dry enough to handle in 2 minutes flat! (that’s got to be better than even the best dehydrator! LOL)

I also used the Jet Black as a base for some of the engine parts.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/painting_02.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/painting_08.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/painting_01.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/166MM/painting_04.jpg

More coming soon ;)

I couldnt imagine a better way to represent leaf springs, thats excellent. Nice work on making the grill fit too.

What a Trio!

Great kit!, AWESOME modelers!, what else can we ask for?

Gio:
Beautiful version you choose, I like it a lot, and you said you saw this car in a show; did you get pics to share?
The finish with sandblast looks so real! Which type of equipment is required to do this?
I also think that the bolts on the heads are a little big, but the results combined with some modeling license erase everything else, they look great!
Your job on the steering linkages is awesome!!

Stevensky:
Good start, it is interesting how everyone chooses a different part to begin, I always left the body to the last, and now we just need Alex starting with the interiors to have the car covered from every angle since the very beginning, LOL! But I think he also likes to start with the body.
Good job on the body getting rid of the pitting, but why the hood/trunk lids have different primer shade/tone than the rest of the body? Don’t forget that red color is very sensitive to the color of primer it is applied over.
Nice chassis, I also use black lacquer for these cases, it also resists more handling than any other paint.
I see the driveshaft a little curved, is that correct?

Alex:
Everybody is waiting for you…

This thread is already in my AF Favorites!!

Very nice work Steven! Body work looks great.:thumbsup: Nice idea with the basecoat as a chassis color....
Dan

Stevensky:
Good job on the body getting rid of the pitting, but why the hood/trunk lids have different primer shade/tone than the rest of the body? Don’t forget that red color is very sensitive to the color of primer it is applied over.
Nice chassis, I also use black lacquer for these cases, it also resists more handling than any other paint.
I see the driveshaft a little curved, is that correct?
Hi Ramon :thumbsup:

Actually, I leave the body till last too :) I am just priming at the moment to see if my fixes have worked.

Right now everything is different color because of the different types of primers used and the different base materials (resin and white metal) but you are right, don't worry it will all be even and under a white base before I start putting color coats down :)

Again you are right that the driveshaft is a bit bent. I am not 100% sure yet if that is purelya result of my heavy hands :lol: or is it menat to be a little "legged" - test fit will reveal all.... :D

...and now we just need Alex starting with the interiors to have the car covered from every angle since the very beginning, LOL

ROFL this mean that we'll have a finished stuff with Alex' interiors LOL!!!

Which type of equipment is required to do this?

Unfortunately the tool (a professional/dentist's sandblast device) R40 used on my stuff is quite expencive: 2-3K euros: I bought a sandblast gun from the hardstore to do some trials, and as agent backing soda, never had time until now. We had a discussion here with Dan and Mark lately around sandblast techs. and tehre's a little Badger sandblaster, dunno know if it needed a big compressor, like the gun or the sand machine. I found another way n my LHS: a sandblast machine (with mini-gun) that work with a vacuum... dunno know if it need a 5000W hoover that suck&eat also your wooden floor LOL

Steven, it´s nice to see that your effort on the body paid off very well! Which kind of paint will you use? Is Hiroboy going to make you something special?

Is Hiroboy going to make you something special? Which kind of paint will you use?
Probably not this time - I decided to give him a break on this build otherwise I'll bankrupt his business and a lot of members would be pissed at me (more than usual) :evillol:

I will most likely be using Cobra Colors Barchetta Rossa.
I managed to get a few jars before Leon had to close up shop. I have never used this paint before so I am counting on Andy's threads to guide the way... :grinyes:

very nice work for a fantastic kit!

Gérald

Loveing those leaf springs, Boy if i ever have a bill to blow I may have to get a killer kit like that

wow... i need to start saving up to buy one of these mfh kits soon. white metal is a horrible pain to work with, but you guys seem to make the best out of it. looks great.

Andrew