The New LS9??

I here chevy is going to come out with a LS9 with over 650hp!! Any one here of this yet? i will look for the site i found it on.

I've heard all kinds of rumors about that for some time now.

here i found the link. Look at the very bottom of that page it talks about the LS9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LS_engine#LS9

Yeah, GM High Tech Performance Magazine has mentioned that for awhile now. Rumor has it, that there is a C6 is rolling around Michigan with prototype LS9. Its suppose to be going into the new Corvette 'Stringray', or 'Corvette SS' or 'Blue Devil' (whatever they decide to finally call it). Its a supercharged V8 (duh) with at least 650hp, but with a price over $100K. There is also a smaller LS8, which is also supercharged, but not intercooled, putting out around 500hp.

I've also read that GM sent out some 'preliminary castings' to some engine builders for testing, research and so-forth, and found out that the blocks specs measured out a whopping 511ci with massive heads to fit it. Sounds interesting...

i think either a LS7 or LS9 in a new SS camaro sounds nice.

GM won't put the LS9 in the new camaro SS. Makes no sense to have a car rival the flagship. I guarentee that the camaro SS will take over the LS7 once the corvette receives the LS8 and LS9.

i think either a LS7 or LS9 in a new SS camaro sounds nice.
Yeah but will the price be reasonable?

well of course not,lol

I think if the new Camaro SS does come with the LS7, probably will be priced around the low to mid 30's. Can't wait to own one.

Wow.. that really sounds good.. six fiddy HP..

Thatd be crazy as hell since ive seen the Z06 beat a Ford GT and a Gallardo and thats with around 500 hp.. jesus with 150 more.. the possibilities..

Are you sure the engines are supercharged??? The LS7 already makes that kind of power N/A

Yes, I'm sure. The LS8 and LS9 will be supercharged. And that 650hp rating is a conservative estimation. GM hasn't really done much testing with it yet, but just looking at it, they're guessing AT LEAST 650. It will probably make more when they release the actual car and engine. I thinking at least 700, especially with the new Diamondback Viper making its debut.

yummy!

and chevy always runs low boost, so bump up the PSI and there is some more HP and a diffrent pully.

I think if the new Camaro SS does come with the LS7, probably will be priced around the low to mid 30's. Can't wait to own one.


If an LS7 Camaro cost 30-30K, almost half the cost of the car will be for the engine itself. Don't think this is going to happen. Logically, a LS7 Camaro would push 50K.

If an LS7 Camaro cost 30-30K, almost half the cost of the car will be for the engine itself. Don't think this is going to happen. Logically, a LS7 Camaro would push 50K.
I doubt that due to the fact that once a vehicle goes into production the cost of said item drops off dramatically. So, GM may take a hit initially but as more Camaros roll down the assembly line the more profittable they will become.

im doubting a ls7 in a camaro. are they even production motors yet? last i heard one plant has been hand building them so i dont think they are gonna be in a cheaper production car then the 06 Z06. they would have to hire so many more people to be building it since they will be so cheap. maybe by the time the camaro comes out and they got the ss model they will have a bunch of the motors built or they will have a alternative way to make them easier and quicker

If GM would jump into the forced induction market feet first, I hav a feeling most car companies wouldnt like it too much. If they start selling some force fed corvettes in any kind of quantity, even at 100,000 dollars who you going to be competing with. How much you going to spend to compete if your dead set against driving a GM hmm?

Im hoping for a natural force fed v-6 package camaro in the future. Somthing affordable, somthing that with a extra little boost will push a 1/4 mile under 12.0 and handle worth a shit.

While im on a wish list, if GM is really going to kill off the monte carlo, why not hand the body style over to buick so they can come up with a RWD V-6 monster again.

since we are on the topic of the new camaro, lookie here>

http://www.planetcamaro.com/aftermarket/saleen_to_brandish_a_chevrolet_camaro_000972.asp

GM's not killing the Monte.. where you hear this? Also the Camaro being in the movie is old news.. its even been featured on Hot Rod Mag already.

GM's not killing the Monte.. where you hear this? Also the Camaro being in the movie is old news.. its even been featured on Hot Rod Mag already.


I wasnt talking about transformers. I was looking at the "future seleen GM projects". Imagine a 600HP camaro....

I thought i heard GM was giving monte carlo the boot. I could be wrong. Monte Carlos have been dead to me since they went FWD.

EDIT: I still say buick needs to cough up a rwd 2 seater.

I think an LS7 camaro SS is a very likely possibility. They want 4 camaro models, a V6, an RS, a Z28, and an SS.
V6 - ~4L w/ around 250hp
RS - Base V8, 5.3L LS3
Z28 - Upgraded from base, more crap, LS2
SS - Top of the line package, more of everything, LS7
That's more or less what GM is thinking and have generated surveys to prove it.

I want ground effects on something....

GM won't put the LS9 in the new camaro SS. Makes no sense to have a car rival the flagship. I guarentee that the camaro SS will take over the LS7 once the corvette receives the LS8 and LS9.
New Camaro = 4000 pounds
Current C6Z06 = 3100 pounds

Same motor and the Camaro is still damn near a second slower.

Future SS Camaro motor = future Corvette coupe(base model) motor?

Future SS Camaro motor = future Corvette coupe(base model) motor?

The LS7 could fit that equation. Who knows, with Dodge upping the ante with their 650 horse diamondback and Ford matching things with their 500 horse GT 500, in a few years, the horsepower wars could go higher and GM would move up another level and make their 'now-top of the line' engine a sub-level performer in another car. That's what I see happening with the LS7.

All I know is if GM makes the new camaro with more than 500 horse stock. I am going to have to sneak on every dealership lot after hours to disconnect a few spark plug wires :uhoh: .

I just cant see GM making a Camaro in any form faster than a Corvette in any form, within the same year. It wouldnt look good.

The new camaro would have to have the Z06 motor for it to compete with a base corvette, considering the weight differences. So i just figured that the SS Camaro would have the same motor as a base model vette, and the weight difference would make the camaro slower, thus more " in its place ".

im doubting a ls7 in a camaro. are they even production motors yet?

they've been for a couple years now

I just cant see GM making a Camaro in any form faster than a Corvette in any form, within the same year. It wouldnt look good.

It's been done in the 80s, just they made a V6 Buick faster than the same year's Corvette.

I do not consider the LS7 a production motor. At least right now.
Each one is hand assembled.

And those boosted V6 cars didn't last long because they were faster.

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6272 06 z06's have been made... that's enough to be called production to me

It's been done in the 80s, just they made a V6 Buick faster than the same year's Corvette.

They should do it again too.

I do not consider the LS7 a production motor. At least right now.
Each one is hand assembled.

I dont think the method of assembly has anything to do with a engines production status.

poormillionare: Maybe the LS7 could end up under the hoods of the SS Camaros and base model Corvettes. If they did that they better hire a bunch of "hands" for assembly. GM plans on selling a bunch of the new Camaros.

Then all GM would have to do to the premium package vettes is LS9.

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6272 06 z06's have been made... that's enough to be called production to me
Only needs 500 to be a production car.
I still don't call that hand built motor a production motor. Just me.

Let's say that GM does NOT put the LS7 in the new camaro SS, what do you guys think would be in the SS? Assuming that the LS2 is given to the Z28, what's then next step after that?

More cam, better heads on the LS2?

More cam, better heads on the LS2?

They could, but I don't think GM wants to give the Z28 and SS the same motor again. Too many people got upset about the 4th gens sharing the same motor. Not much of an upgrade. Plus, it would be easy to overcome the SS with the Z28 and aftermarket. I still think the SS will get the LS7, but we'll see soon enough.

They could, but I don't think GM wants to give the Z28 and SS the same motor again.

The only reason they would do somthing like that, would be the overall cost of production. If they really are going to sell them as cheap as they are acting, that could be the most important factor of whats going to really be under the hood of each different model.

I think they should come back with the iron duke!!..............................NOT,lol

I think they should come back with the iron duke!!..............................NOT,lol

Or make one like it, but call it the titanium duke and make it out of all titanium. Maybe put some nos in there too somewhere.:grinyes:

but i do hope they have some forged internals on the new camaros, because i bet people will be spraying the hell out of them, or supercharging them.

They could, but I don't think GM wants to give the Z28 and SS the same motor again.
So you are saying the LS1 and the LS6 are the same motor?? Because heads and cam are the basic difference between the two.

Both the Z28 and SS had the exact same LS1. If the new Z28 gets an LS2 and the SS gets a head/cam version of the LS2, the SS will have 40 more horse...if not more.

So you are saying the LS1 and the LS6 are the same motor?? Because heads and cam are the basic difference between the two.

Both the Z28 and SS had the exact same LS1. If the new Z28 gets an LS2 and the SS gets a head/cam version of the LS2, the SS will have 40 more horse...if not more.

What I'm saying is, people (who want performance) aren't going to pay an extra $4-5K for a mere 40-60 extra horsepower, when they can get aftermarket heads/cam with more power for that much or less money.
I think it would be a mistake for GM to put the LS2 in both the Z28 and SS. If GM is going to take a risk and make a splash in water, they need to go all the way and use the LS7. Their trying to oust the mustang that currently owns that corner of the market.

What I'm saying is, people (who want performance) aren't going to pay an extra $4-5K for a mere 40-60 extra horsepower, when they can get aftermarket heads/cam with more power for that much or less money.
I think it would be a mistake for GM to put the LS2 in both the Z28 and SS. If GM is going to take a risk and make a splash in water, they need to go all the way and use the LS7. Their trying to oust the mustang that currently owns that corner of the market.

Funny because people did pay around 4-5K more for the SS version..

Also the Mustang currently owns the market because its basicly the ONLY car in that area.

well the SS wasnt only more power.. it was built with morestuff..

rear end, springs, strut bars, shocks, oil cooler, rear end.. i think that just makes the SS that much better, they make it handle, react, feel better than the normal Z28.

of course its also easy to change the Z to a SS by changing those, but its most likely less time consuming to just buy a damn SS :P

Also the Mustang currently owns the market because its basicly the ONLY car in that area.

That's exactly my point. People like the new mustang and if another company wants to get in on it, they have to do it big. So far, the stang has earned a good rep with a wide age group right now. Someone is going to have to go big or go home.

Or make one like it, but call it the titanium duke and make it out of all titanium. Maybe put some nos in there too somewhere.:grinyes:
may be not so off the mark. Rumor has it that GM wants to go "ricer" and build the Camaro to compete with the likes of them. Huge ground effects and wings along with a dinky highwinding 4 cylinder..

Have you guys considered that they might go back to the old ways... and make the Z28 the top model above the SS?!?! :eek:


well the SS wasnt only more power.. it was built with morestuff..

rear end, springs, strut bars, shocks, oil cooler, rear end.. i think that just makes the SS that much better, they make it handle, react, feel better than the normal Z28.

of course its also easy to change the Z to a SS by changing those, but its most likely less time consuming to just buy a damn SS :P

Please tell me what's different about the rear end on the SS... and also kinda funny I've yet to see a stock SS with a srtut bar/shock tower brace (unless you mean sway bars)... springs shocks and an appearance package were pretty much the only differences (thats with the LS1 ss's... the LT1's, well some had a LT4 hidden inside and those obviously were crazy beastly)

may be not so off the mark. Rumor has it that GM wants to go "ricer" and build the Camaro to compete with the likes of them. Huge ground effects and wings along with a dinky highwinding 4 cylinder..

I HIGHLY doubt that. That doesn't sound very retro, they already released the general body style. GM may do that with another model, but they know better than to do that with a camaro.

may be not so off the mark. Rumor has it that GM wants to go "ricer" and build the Camaro to compete with the likes of them. Huge ground effects and wings along with a dinky highwinding 4 cylinder..

If GM wants to compete in a compact FWD arena, they have many better choices of vehicle to chose from that a "+3000 lbs RWD". Many more cars in the GM lineup are a lot lighter and are FWD, wich would be a more realistic decision on GM's part if they were to attempt such a thing. I think for the most part domestic car companies are at war, and the hostages are all horses. The cars to watch out for right now, are the RWD domestics. really tho GM makes some pretty competitive compact FWD cars these days.

Those cobalts are junk though. I drove all 3 models last year at the GM Auto Show in Motion and they all sucked. The supercharged one only puts out about 40 more horses than the N/A one and it doesn't ride the most comfortably. Driving the vettes and GTO's all day was fun as hell though. And the offroad H2 was quite an experience. My best overall pick for comfort, handling, and power would have to go to the G6. I would definately buy one if I could.

Those cobalts are junk though.

Yep. So is its close relative, the Saturn Ion.

What about the Redline or Solstice? Haven't seen too many but those little roadsters are suppose to have potential.

The solstices are getting good reviews.

rear end, springs, strut bars, shocks, oil cooler, rear end
No, no, sway bar...yes, no strut bar, same shocks, oil cooler was an option, no.

Rear end is the same in all LS1 4th gens.
Springs are the same as the WS.6. Barely better (if any) than the Z/28's.
Shocks are all DeCarbon's on the LS1 cars.
Oil cooler was an option.

Ive never seen a camaro without a sway bar...or a firebird. At least i dont think i have. Ive bought and parted out several, guess i got lucky cause they all had one.

if i am remembering correct the pic of the new camaros engine compartment had a strut tower brace stock, i dunno if they specified what model it was but it walso said ls2 if i remember correctly

I always thought the SS was the highest option..

Ive never seen a camaro without a sway bar...or a firebird. At least i dont think i have. Ive bought and parted out several, guess i got lucky cause they all had one.
There are different sizes though in stock form.
But yeah, all cars have them stock.

if i am remembering correct the pic of the new camaros engine compartment had a strut tower brace stock, i dunno if they specified what model it was but it walso said ls2 if i remember correctly

I didn't see one. Just a nice shiny silver engine cover.

this picture shows one. Sort of. Click the one where JAY is looking under the hood.

http://www.motorcities.com/contents/06/2009-Chevrolet-Camaro-Concept-Cruising-with-Jay-Leno_06GAE273129781.html

watch these videos if you havent seen one on pavement. Pictures dont do it justice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heR6lf4T3z0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBNgbOCxWo8