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mazdamx-6ls
10-11-2006, 08:05 PM
my 99 sl2 used to do 300miles with a full tank of gas. recently its been only doing around 200m. it has 92k. i had the plugs and the belts replaced last year. do u think by replacing plugs and wires it will solve this? or is there anything else that i need to do?
thank you

drew300
10-13-2006, 10:38 AM
Any fault codes?
Tire pressures?
PCV valve?
Dirty throttle body?
Idle Ok?
Dirty air cleaner?
Vacuum leaks?
Right grade of oil?
I guess you could pull a plug to see if they're burning ok.
I try too find a fault before I change stuff so as not to add a new fault that I'll overlook when trying to fix something.

mazdamx-6ls
10-13-2006, 11:29 AM
thanks for replying
i cant see anything wrong with it.(to the naked eye)
where should I start?

PlayStation3
10-13-2006, 03:27 PM
have you been driving different? and is it auto or manuel?

mazdamx-6ls
10-13-2006, 05:51 PM
have you been driving different? and is it auto or manuel?

its an auto. well i used to drive mostly freeway mile before. now mostly city. but I still should do more than 17-18 miles a gallon. (driving economically). my 93 mx-6 V6 does the same, but this is a inline 4. I dont know where to start.

drew300
10-16-2006, 08:47 AM
That bad?
Does the "SES" lamp work? (key on, engine not running)
Maybe a computer scan to see if anything is amiss.
I'd check all the things I mentioned before, and maybe add to that check the tranny fluid, for level and see if it's burnt.

saturnspeed_12
10-16-2006, 11:12 AM
look into coolant temp sensor being bad. also clean the throttle body. but with mpg that low, its usually the coolant temp sensor. if your car runs at 1/4 mark, then its probably the problem. it should be running closer to 1/2. its just dumping unwanted fuel in.

the problem can also be caused by a bad map sensor.

mazdamx-6ls
10-16-2006, 01:28 PM
look into coolant temp sensor being bad. also clean the throttle body. but with mpg that low, its usually the coolant temp sensor. if your car runs at 1/4 mark, then its probably the problem. it should be running closer to 1/2. its just dumping unwanted fuel in.

the problem can also be caused by a bad map sensor.

thank you for replying. as for the coolant sensor. i thought saturns (atleast sl's) were supposed to run at 1/4 coolant temp. mark. my saturn always ran at 1/4 mark and it still does from the day I bought it. (it did gas fine then) and my saturn before that, a 94, ran at 1/4 mark too. isnt that the way it was designed?

drew300
10-17-2006, 11:26 AM
my '99 also runs at about 1/4, MAYBE a little higher, not near 1/2. (unless I'm stopped on the highway) Been that way since new.
A fellow at the top of the list said his cat was plugged, that would definately lower mileage, but a "SES" lamp should light for that.

saturnspeed_12
10-18-2006, 12:20 PM
SES light wont come on just because a clogged cat.

now the car is suppose to run between the 1/4-1/2 mark closer to 1/2. this is near 195 degrees which is the normal for most all cars on the road.

my car never went beyond 1/4 mark when i first had it. i was pulling at the max of 38mpg. then after a while the gas mileage started to drop, and i was averaging 33mpg and figured i would replace the sensor. after doing so my temp was sitting perfect closer to 1/2 and i was back averaging 38mpg and when i played nice, would see 42+.

but never buy a plastic tipped one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they will be like the original, and over time will crack like the original. i was lucky mine didnt crack. but quite a few do crack and then you have to replace the connector too. only buy a good brass tipped one, which i would only go for the dealer part/ac delco part.

drew300
10-18-2006, 12:58 PM
No "SES' with a clogged cat?
My '99 SW1 has 3 - O2 sensors, 1 at the manifold, 1 ahead of the cat, and 1 after the cat.
I thought the fore / aft ones would pick up a cat problem.
Am I wrong?

saturnspeed_12
10-18-2006, 03:42 PM
it wont let you know its clogged. and you have 2 sensors, not 3.

PlayStation3
10-18-2006, 07:56 PM
ok this might be off topic but i get 22 mpg driving hard and 25 driving like a good driver and that is all city with an mp7 tranny.possable mine be bad it reads 1/4 for most of the way untill about an hour or so

drew300
10-19-2006, 09:26 AM
Hi Saturnspeed.
It's been too wet to climb under the car, but I'm 99% sure I've seen the 3 -
O2 sensors. And my '97 Astro has 4 of them, (!), for sure.

saturnspeed_12
10-19-2006, 11:43 AM
because your astro van has two exhaust banks. although they could do without the other downstream.

hell 3.8 series II has two sensors yet has two banks and is obdII. they could have done three, but they put the upstream where both combine.

d3ad1ysp0rk
10-30-2006, 11:11 AM
Saturnspeed is right. I have a 99SL2 as well, and after replacing the ECTS a while ago, it now runs a little above 1/4th while DRIVING and close to 1/2 when stopped (unless it's really cold out). The fan will kick in when it gets close to the 3/4ths spot and bring it down near 1/2 again.

nightbird
11-29-2006, 11:01 AM
I have replaced my cat twice and never got a warning, had to guess. The first time the muffler guy said it wasn't highly clogged, however replacing it made a huge improvement. The engine ran hotter when it was clogged, and in one case, backfired. I called the Saturn 800 number and they said a catalytic converter has a life of 70,000 miles. Engine runs slightly cooler, and a lot better when this is replaced.

On my 150,000 mile 94 SL1, replacing the idler pulley made a real performance increase, and recently replacing an ignition coil made a huge performance difference and cleaner oil too.

whoareyou4
12-03-2006, 08:40 AM
I have a 97 SC2 with the same problem, I've only lost 60 mile per tankful at this point. Chamging the Plugs and wires are a good thing to do, at least check your plugs. Mine were in very poor shape and I had alot of arcing between the boots down at the coil packs.

The down side is that, replacing all that stuff did not improve my mileage one bit.

My next items to attack are the O2 sensor (in the exhaust manifold), and the coolant temp sensor.

I had a good O2 sensor laying around and I replaced that, but that did no good either. So today I plan to replace the coolant temp sensor and try that.

I will let you know what that does.

rajjhauf
12-25-2006, 03:33 PM
I just changed my daughters ects and it made no change on the temp. gauge, it still runs at or below the 1/4 mark. I bought a new termostat and that was the problem. Now it runs at the 1/2 mark. Thanks to everyone.

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