NSX Just 2 expensive!!

Who thinks da NSX is 2 expensive for it performance???

290 hp for $80,000 dat just crazy on a V6 too....... Honda can do better.......... U can Buy 2 vets for dat price with 400 Hp..... OR almost 3 S2000 wich only comes with about 40 hp less than da NSX.... and u could another $4,000 dollars to put an supercharger on da S2000 and you'll have more than enough power to take on an NSX..........FOR A FRACTION OF THE PRICEHonda should be getting about 350 form dat engine.... THey DOnt NEed a V8 .......... Dat's just a selling scam so people would buy it...........


I think Honda has 2 options:
1. MORE HORSEPOWER....LOTS OF IT....I think Da ACura RL makes more than NSX on wat is basically Da same engine

2. BRing da COst down so it can be competive.......

You are obviously not the NSX's target buyer.

OH Really!!! then who is Some stupid rich guy who has nutting else to spend their money except on a car whose styling copies dat of a ferrari??? or whose performance can be beaten by a supped up integra or TT supra ( wich cost about $35 grand less for EXTREMELY better performance) OR some rich guy who SIMPLY doesnt KNOE any BEtter???

Originally posted by jay@af
You are obviously not the NSX's target buyer.


You never fail to keep me amused.

So you don't like the NSX, big whoop. You don't need to go bitching about it. You obviously don't see anything other then "how fast does it do the 1/4 mile in?" when you look at a car either. People enjoy different cars for different reasons. For example, if I could have a Supra that did a 7 second quarter mile, or a car that was one of 5 made ever, I would go with the one that there were only 5 of made. Even if it can't even go 60 mph. Different people like different things, so give your bitching a rest. No one cares.

Originally posted by WickedMethod
OH Really!!!Yes, really.

this guys a dumbass... does he have any clue how light the nsx is? maybe he doesnt know.

Clearly you didn't do ANY research on an NSX when you made this post. While 80K is a lot of money there is a lot more to a car than horsepower. Plenty of cheaper cars have more horsepower yet in my humble opinion an NSX is still worth every penny. You say an RL has almost the same engine? Not even close. An RL engine isn't even VTEC! You also mention copying Ferrari? The fact of the matter is the Modena 360 is more of a NSX copy than any car is history. They imitated everything about an NSX that makes it so unique. The precision involves in making this original all aluminum beauty is what makes it 80K. I doubt you'll get a better ride anywhere else, even if it's faster on a straightaway.

actually... the rl does have vtec!

Nobody seemed to mention that even though it has 280hp, its still faster than the Ferrari 355 with a claimed horsepower of 380. Not that its even doing the NSX justice by saying that. That car is a piece of engineering art. But i figured it should be said considering the accuser's approach.

Oh and i could be mistaken, but the difference between the RL and the NSX is DOHC. The RL is missing a couple cams...

And one last, minute thing...

There isnt a stock Supra turbo from anytime thats going to beat the NSX even in the quarter mile. It really isnt even close. The NSX will usually win by about 2 or more car lengths. And just ask me to back it up. Ill send videos. One: Skyline GT-R R34 vs SupraTT. Supra is owned. #2 Skyline GT-R R34 vs Honda NSX Type-S Zero. GT-R takes a seat as well. Or maybe a web site, check JB cars. Or you can even check an actual GT-R website. Not to down the GT-R, which is an amazing machine... and im rambling. Ive made my point.:rolleyes:

people don't buy cars just so they can go around hitting 11 sec 1/4's. the reason the nsx is so popular in my opinion is it's exclusivity (if that's even a word :confused: ). Also the nsx could probably outhandle ANY of those cars that you listed. and another thing, aren't used nsx's going for about 30 g's? and the nsx hasn't changed much over 10 years......so in conclusion...............:finger:

sorry. but i think the corvette z06 has better handling so the nsx could outhandle ALMOST any of those cars......

Well, you can argue vette handles better, nsx better... but the nsx has a lower center of gravity and has a wider wheel base and its lighter. Just to throw some facts in there...

Who thinks da NSX is 2 expensive for it performance???

290 hp for $80,000 dat just crazy on a V6 too....... Honda can do better.......... U can Buy 2 vets for dat price with 400 Hp..... OR almost 3 S2000 wich only comes with about 40 hp less than da NSX.... and u could another $4,000 dollars to put an supercharger on da S2000 and you'll have more than enough power to take on an NSX..........FOR A FRACTION OF THE PRICEHonda should be getting about 350 form dat engine.... THey DOnt NEed a V8 .......... Dat's just a selling scam so people would buy it...........


I think Honda has 2 options:
1. MORE HORSEPOWER....LOTS OF IT....I think Da ACura RL makes more than NSX on wat is basically Da same engine

2. BRing da COst down so it can be competive.......





80gs is alot but the car can handle looks good as hell and although ive never driven it supposly there isnt much close to it.....280 hp could be higher but you have to figure in the weight of the car...along with torque...suspension and someother factors...Honda reconizes the problem with "low" hp and for the redesign in 2004 it is rumored that they will be pushing well over 300 and possibily 400 or more......the have pledged to stay close to 100 hp per litter proving that engine develpment and moving the industry standards higher are very important to them.....So if they have a 350 Hp NSX that weighs about the same OR LESS and costs the same handles even better then would you think that it was worth buying......The NSX doesnt need all of this stuff cause its target buyers are happythe way it is.....but it is people like you that say that its a horrible value that there changing things for....Honda does after all want to sell alot of cars....more cars equals more profits even though the NSX is just a test bed and they prob will never turn a profit on it...... that brings me to another point.....anyone that owns a Vtec civic integra S2000 of anyother honda for that matter cant say one bad thing about the NSX for the fact that with out it they prob never would have that availible in there car......so this next NSX who knows what it will give the other cars in the lineup if the NSX is pushing 400 hp then that opens up alot of range in the honda line up S2000 (if its still around) will likely get a jump in Hp to around 300 hp....there will deff be Type R civics and RSX along with the possibilty of a Type R Accord........And expect the Type R's to get more power too 250 possibile for the RSX......Honda might not jump all over this current Hp race but there is no way that they can ignore it all together......All you care about is the over all Hp of a car well it looks like your getting wish........just wish that people like you would learn to drive a car like it was meant to be and be able to enjoy every breath taking minute of it and not just complain to your boys that it "only has 280 hp" in my opion i dont think that you could or would ever deserve to own or even drive a NSX......... go by your corvette and when i pass you In my soon to be NSX with my finger out the targa top you will know its me.
ryan

there are some ppl including me that are amazed by the engineering and technology behind the NSX. its exotic to me... btw Horsepower isn't everything

The only thing the NSX doesn't have is Horse Power.

But it makes up for it with the reduced weight and structural rigidity.

Big reason the NSX cost as much as it does is b/c of its body and the motor. I read this somewere on day and had a discussion about it once.

The NSX is a great car, but i will agree that it is overpriced. 3.2l v6 with 290hp rwd with mid engine placement is great and it also has an extremely light body, but 80k or whatever is too much. Honda knows well that they could sell the NSX for much cheaper, but they jack up prices just because they can. I was reading that the NSX has extremely low production numbers, and that is because this car is not worth as much as it costs. I think that the NSX should be sold at a lower price, like $60k-70k, but that is just my opinion.

Well jeelanim, I agree with your prices too. Im thinking $55,000- $65,000

They should also use a better engine, maybe a j35 twin turbo. That would be cool:D

Yep...if it had about 100 More Horses it would be awsome :D

Dat was all I was saying MORE POWER!!! I agree the car is light and has exotic styling, but the car needs more power to go with that ( for dat price)

Yup. I would rather get an r34 skyline gtr improted over buying an nsx any day of the week, but the nsx is a great car

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I think i would rather have a GT-R myself then pay $80,000 for a NSX. Ok way too many flashes. :)

But they don't have GT-Rs on this side of the Americas, do they?

I have never seen one were i live or on this side.

I've heard of people getting them, but I don't know how they do it.:confused:

ive seen a few skyline gtr's in irvine, Ca .. alot of people out there at the college are driving around in them.. they have an american conversion kit i believe, and the kit switches the steering wheel and and stick and clutch pedal and gas pedal and all that shit to the left hand side of the car. Its really a nice car:flash:

I have only seen a few ever. once was in South Carolina in the resturant we were eating at. :) Not sure who drove it though.

But do they import it or what?
I mean, I don't think you can go into a Nissan dealer in the States, or even Canada for that matter; and request a Skyline.

I think that they are imported. Some how you have to connect with the dealership and work out the arrangements. See i have never seen a skyline at all in person. So the people who probably own them live in the southern part of the US. As far as the NSX goes. I have seen new NSX's in a new cars Dealership that just sells only Acura and some other American made applications.

Originally posted by Scott 02
I think that they are imported. Some how you have to connect with the dealership and work out the arrangements. See i have never seen a skyline at all in person. So the people who probably own them live in the southern part of the US. As far as the NSX goes. I have seen new NSX's in a new cars Dealership that just sells only Acura and some other American made applications.

I know for sure Acura has a rebadged Honda NSX; but comes available in Targa as well as coupe.

I think it's another company importing the Skylines though; although, I'd love to go into a Nissan dealership & place an order for a Skyline:D

For 80k I would rather have a used Porsche 911 Twin Turbo that'll smoke pretty much anything. IMHO. That's my ultimate dream car too by the way, so I guess I'm just partial. :D

Originally posted by 01WS6_4_ME
For 80k I would rather have a used Porsche 911 Twin Turbo that'll smoke pretty much anything.:D

I agree. Actually, there are a lot of other cars I would buy for $80k. The NSX is a $50k car, if that. The funny thing is, there is one in my town, and there is NO nice cars in my town. I mean NONE, zip, 0. There is about 2 vipers and 5 Vettes. Anyway, the NSX is red and it is an older one, nicer than the new ones in my oppinion. I was shocked when I saw it, but a couple of my friends know the owner.

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN
Anyway, the NSX is red and it is an older one, nicer than the new ones in my oppinion.

I think so too...for some reason, the pop-up lights and the front fascia look better on the 1st-gen unmodeled NSX to me.

Hey SuperCarMan,

The beauty of the NSX is its efficiency. Six cylinders no turbo. Of course I havn't driven Porsches too much but my NSX is an amazingly low maintenance easy to drive car.

I think I paid 88k in '98. hmmm

I also like the fact that the NSX is much less common than the Porsche.

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
I also like the fact that the NSX is much less common than the Porsche. I'll see that and raise it. Here in So Cal, I must see a dozen Porsches everyday; triple that if I actually go somewhere.

NSXs are much rarer, and are much cooler for it.

Plus you cant tell a 60k Porsche from a 160k Porsche?

Here is my Acura

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
Plus you cant tell a 60k Porsche from a 160k Porsche?LOL, yeah, but they all go the same speed as me while we sit in traffic. :o
Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
Here is my Acura Nice. :sun: Next time I'm in Texas, I'll keep an eye out for it. ;) :p

If you look at his acura... would you see it as a $80,000 car or $45,000. My point is they are way too expensive and if i were going to spend that kind of money it would at least be on a new 500HP Viper :)

Originally posted by Scott 02
My point is they are way too expensive Your point is unsupported other than, "I read this somewere on day and had a discussion about it once."

Market value determines price. If no one wanted to buy an NSX for $88,000, then Honda wouldn't sell any for $88,000. Apparently, they're worth it to someone, just not you. The world has lots of people who are not like you. Surprise!

No the reason these are being sold for so much is because Acura can. And like I have said once. The body of this automobile makes a huge chunk of the price. Thats fact. If you gan back up your statement alot better I might change my mind. I just don't think its worth it, and half of the people who contributed to this thread feel the same way I do. Jay, would you spend $88,000 for that or would you rather spend $75,000 for a Viper? I guess thats a tougher decision than I thought it would be. A friends Dodge Stealth R/T makes 320HP and would probably kill the NSX....maybe not, but he bought his 300+ HP car for $14,000. Im not going to get into the Stealth b/c I would be getting off topic. I need to be convinced that this car is worth $88,000-$100,000. Alright, thats enough for now....

Originally posted by Scott 02
No the reason these are being sold for so much is because Acura can. And like I have said once. The body of this automobile makes a huge chunk of the price. Thats fact.Regardless of materials and labor needed to produce a car, if no one is willing to pay $88,000 for it, then none will be sold for $88,000, and none will be sold at all until the price is lower than $88,000. That's economics.

Yet, Honda is able to sell them for $88,000. (Granted, not very quickly. But they don't make them very quickly, either.) Therefore, the car must be worth $88,000 to someone.

I don't believe anyone spending $88,000 on an NSX doesn't realize that there are other cars available for other prices that offer other levels of performance, style, safety, reliability, etc. In fact, I'm sure most NSX buyers are well aware. And then they buy an NSX anyway, so there must be something there. Whether it's something tangible, or something I could explain, or something one person gets out of the car that another doesn't... There's something that makes people choose the NSX over it's competition.

There's a very important difference between the statements "The NSX is not worth $88,000." and "The NSX is not worth $88,000 to me."

How many people actually have one of these cars. I have only seen one in my life. I guess the price acura/honda has on the car sets it apart from the rest. Maybe its insurance reasons or the one i always here is its looks. I agree this car has great looks.

There's a very important difference between the statements "The NSX is not worth $88,000." and "The NSX is not worth $88,000 to me."

I've understood my own quote from the very beginning.

Originally posted by Scott 02
I've understood my own quote from the very beginning. The point of communication is not to understand yourself, but to be understood by others. ;)

And since you asked, yes I would take an NSX over a Viper. But that's me. :right:

The fact that you see so many Prosches on the road means that there are a lot more people in the world willing to dish out for a Porsche than a NSX. I think my car is number 77 from 1998. I dont remember how any they built but not too many. I'm not into American muscle, or at least was not into it in 97 when I bought the NSX. So my options were more limited: BMW M5, Porsche 911. I'm looking for the uncommon so I was drawn to the NSX. For lots of people who like the NSX they would say its the car that does nothing the best but does absolutely nothing wrong. Usually people want a car with an extreme. Like the fastest or the quickest or the best handling. The NSX is an all around consitent performer. Master of nothing. A funny reason to buy a car. But thats what I like about it. Still, i'm in the minority. But thats also what I like.

It's a beauty that will last forever (I hope).

Originally posted by WickedMethod
Who thinks da NSX is 2 expensive for it performance???

290 hp for $80,000 dat just crazy on a V6 too....... Honda can do better.......... U can Buy 2 vets for dat price with 400 Hp..... OR almost 3 S2000 wich only comes with about 40 hp less than da NSX.... and u could another $4,000 dollars to put an supercharger on da S2000 and you'll have more than enough power to take on an NSX..........FOR A FRACTION OF THE PRICEHonda should be getting about 350 form dat engine.... THey DOnt NEed a V8 .......... Dat's just a selling scam so people would buy it...........


I think Honda has 2 options:
1. MORE HORSEPOWER....LOTS OF IT....I think Da ACura RL makes more than NSX on wat is basically Da same engine

2. BRing da COst down so it can be competive.......

dont wanna know what u think of a skyline gtr... haha

Tony man, that was touching, lol jk. But definitely couldnt have been worded better.

Thanks C32! Feel free to use it any time you like. ;)

I saw one last night at Boston Park Plaza. I was like wtf is that doin here in the winter where we just had a snow storm! i saw the owner though and asked him for a spin! It was silver. I took some photos though. I will post them asa i get it developed

well yet another post for my 2 cents..

umm.. well yeah i agree it's got a high price tag.. but then again anything does to a colleg student.. lol
anyway ... even i know people don't buy cars cause they go faster.. if they did then everyone would own a mclauren.. but it ain't like that ..
you buy an nsx to have an nsx.. just like the s2k..
uumm... and to answer your comment way back .. yes there are millions of rich dudes who buy them just for the hell of it..
lol..

The NSX is NOT too expensive. If it was, then the price would have a margin within it on pointless things. With the current price, Honda/Acura do not make a profit, so the price is not expensive (and like I said, the cost is not covered). But if Acura/Honda do not make a profit, then why sell the NSX? Especially when people prefer Porsche and Ferrari.

However, the problem is that there is no bang for your buck. It is this factor, alongside others, that sells so many cars these days.

At the moment, there is a comparison between NSX, 911 and 360 - and guess what car is winning (well last time I checked) - well it is easier to say that NSX is losing. And why? Because of performance. When you pay for the price you are paying, you expect performance, especially when for the same price you can get a quicker, and luxurious - a better stock car, which is ten times better than an NSX. Thats what always bothers people, and nothing can make up for this.

PS I didn't have the time to structure my argument properly :D

I fully agree with the creator of this post, i do believe that the NSX is way over priced or at least has gotten over priced reciently. I have heard people saying that the expensiveness is from it's rarity. I somewhat agree with that. But when you are going to say you are paying for about 70% for rarity and only about 30% for any extravagant performance, i think that is just feeding Acura excuses. And if rarity is that much of an issue on the NSX a car that gets so much hype, this price tag for rarity should only be risen when production of this car has ceased. It is unfair to say we are raising the price of the car since they are rare, EVEN though, we are still producing them. I think alot of the NSX is looks. And of course it could prob beat a supra stock, i would expect a 80thousand dollar car to beat one around 50k. Rarity should not be the main factor in determining price. Performance should be. Everyone has their preferences, as a matter of fact, i love the looks of this car myself. But the truth is, when the s2000 has a better power to rate ratio and only 50 less hp which will soon be only 30 less when the power gets a 260 bump on only a 4 cylinder! People should expect more from this car. Another thing, you know the new Nissan 350z HAS ONLY 3 LESS horsepower STOCK (V6)!!! than the NSX and with a bit better gas mileage. Obviously little heavier but no kidding, it's 52,000 dollars less. This is just my take, i respect anyone who loves and enjoys this car and encourage them to continue doing so. but that is just my take on the NSX and it's value.

As of right now, most invoice prices on NSXs are between 70k and 80k. They depreciate like crazy tho. You can find one with 60k miles on ebay for less than 40k. For that price I would go with the M5 since its incredibly rare.

Originally posted by Fliquer
As of right now, most invoice prices on NSXs are between 70k and 80k. They depreciate like crazy tho. You can find one with 60k miles on ebay for less than 40k. For that price I would go with the M5 since its incredibly rare.

I do agree, i looked on ebay too and found some for suprisingly reasonable prices, it's just finding any with anywere less than 100,000 miles is really difficult

seriously dude.....
NSX is not crap... and what u said is bull-shit about how if u "mod" other cars u can beat a "Stock" NSX.... well that is a crock of shit! if u want to compare two cars... then compare them while they are stock cars... not with "mods"....
Also, look at JGTC for example.... there is the ARTA NSX that is "god"...
how come i dun see any ITR or civic in JGTC??

there is a fuckin reason!!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by endlesskev86
seriously dude.....
NSX is not crap... and what u said is bull-shit about how if u "mod" other cars u can beat a "Stock" NSX.... well that is a crock of shit! if u want to compare two cars... then compare them while they are stock cars... not with "mods"....
Also, look at JGTC for example.... there is the ARTA NSX that is "god"...
how come i dun see any ITR or civic in JGTC??

there is a fuckin reason!!:rolleyes:

... Oh, male PMS. And you obviously don't know what Supras and Skylines or and even 300zx's which are way less are capable of. You could get them to over a 1000hp and watch them tear up any NSX, even though u dont need one to be 1000 hp to do so. (With around 900hp you would be running mid to low 9's without nitro, while the NSX is running 14's) And what is even the point of comparing them stock for stock when the NSX is many thousands more. If you put the amount of money into a supra that would amount to the price tag of an NSX you would def. have a much faster car than any NSX period. First of all, unlike alot of supercars, the NSX doesn't even use all wheel to rear wheel drive transfer for better starts. And who said the NSX was crap? i don't remember saying that. I think it's an awsome looker, but should be expected to perform better with an 88k price tag, 290hp, R U KIDDING ME. The fact that it is a V6 doesn't bother me in the least, but no turbos, superchargers, nothing, just 290 horsepower on a 3.2 liter honda engine for 88k. Oh, yea, and your girlfriends' fine