Miata Vs C5

I was coming home on the highway fri night, and a silver C5 hardtop slowly passed me, and i wanted to run him. So i got along side of him and let the blow-off sound to try and get him. I pulled up in front of him to get by some traffic in the right lane and the whole time he was on my ass tight. I was riding 3rd at like 6K so i could just punch it. As soon as we passed the traffic in the right lane I saw him pull out to the right to try to pass, so i floored it and up into 4th and then up into 5th, he never passed my door and I shut down just shy of 140, yea and why did you pay that extra $30k again??

Originally posted by NB8CT
yea and why did you pay that extra $30k again??

So you can look like a doof when leaving it in 5th trying to pass a miata you under-estimated.

when i first saw that post i was like noooo way. the guy in the miata must be a moron!! then i realized that it was yours NB8CT. then i knew the story had to be good. well nice work man.

Are you ragging on corvettes? How much did you pay for your turbocharger?

why did you pay that extra $30k again??

So he could have a car that is lightweight and 350 hp from the factory. I dunno sounds like a good reason to me. Nice kill though haha I'd be pissed losing to a fuckin Miata if I had a Vette.

Maybe he wasn't racing you...and just playing with you?
Put both of you on the line, and see who comes out on top.......not you...

I think R-1 said it best, the guy was probably not even in a low gear and not prepared to race... especially not a miata. then again it could have been a bad driver too, or the miata is fast and a low 13 sec. car. It would almost have to be faster than that actually if it beat the vette from a roll on seeing as how the vette has a better high end.

Whether he was racing it or not, he was probably flooring it once he saw the Miata wasn't letting him over, whaddya know he wasn't passing the Miata. Sounds like a win to me.

The Vette owner could of been one of those assholes swerving in and out of track like an idiot cuz everyone going 70 mph isn't fast enough for him. I hate those fucks some bitch in a KIA tried that shit with me in my S-10 going 75. LoL I just stepped on it and he was off my ass in a heatbeat rofl. KIA...:rolleyes:

so the guy in the corvette is crusing in 6th.....all he has to do is downshift his way to 4th and pound the pedal and he's waving bye-bye.

What does your Miata run in the 1/4?

Originally posted by street_racer_00
so the guy in the corvette is crusing in 6th.....all he has to do is downshift his way to 4th and pound the pedal and he's waving bye-bye. But if he doesn't, then he's a bad driver. Bad drivers lose races. I concur with DeViL.

Good job! :)

Well then the guy with the vette is ball-less and that's his problem:p

everyone does know this miata is a turbo car right?

if he took it up to 140, then let off, and the vette couldn't catch him, i would say the vette was trying...

why is it so hard to imagine that the little LIGHTWEIGHT HIGH POWER TURBO MIATA could beat a vette?

power to weight wins races, not big hp.
just b/c the vette has more power and cost more doesn't mean that the lighter car that costs less that has nice mods can't win. get over it.

Originally posted by flylwsi
everyone does know this miata is a turbo car right?

if he took it up to 140, then let off, and the vette couldn't catch him, i would say the vette was trying...

why is it so hard to imagine that the little LIGHTWEIGHT HIGH POWER TURBO MIATA could beat a vette?

power to weight wins races, not big hp.
just b/c the vette has more power and cost more doesn't mean that the lighter car that costs less that has nice mods can't win. get over it.

THANK YOU!!!


94SVT5.0 : I havent taken it to the track yet, I dont have a reliable boost controller yet and the ECU isnt tuned fulley yet. I'll post when I do go.

dbartoschek: he might beat me off the line, but after that I should get him. But the torque he has helps alot. The extra weight does not...

Fliquer: no I like vettes, I think the C5 is one of the best looking vettes ever produced. All told, car + the mods, I spent 27K.

And just for the record, the vette was on my rear 1/4 panel the whole time, i didnt really gain on him and he didnt gain on me, I think he tried.... And when we where done, he rolled down the windo and gave me a thumbs up....he tried.

Yeah it sounded to me like he was trying and all but lets get one thing straight. Vettes aren't heavy. Not a hard top at least. Regular C5's are what 3200, 3100 lbs? Thats not heavy at all and its pushing a lot of power out of that motor.

How much does a Miata weigh anyways I wouldn't have a clue.

2299lbs with 140hp stock

woohoo


can i just point out to everyone doubting this mans miata that it is turbocharged and it is a miata which is the size of a geo :D


ie lightweight plus power = arg thats quick sort of reasoning thats the way i see it :devil:

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
woohoo


can i just point out to everyone doubting this mans miata that it is turbocharged and it is a miata which is the size of a geo :D


ie lightweight plus power = arg thats quick sort of reasoning thats the way i see it :devil:

That's true, but C5's aren't exactly land yachts.

Originally posted by street_racer_00


That's true, but C5's aren't exactly land yachts.

granted that but i still think he could have im altho i dunno i would thing that it was some old fart driving

think about what we just posted...


the vette is 3200ish..
the miata is 2299...
that's 1000 pounds... big difference... if the miata is turbo, which it is... it means that the power is over 200 hp easy... that's alot of power for a little weight.

POWER TO WEIGHT
POWER TO WEIGHT
POWER TO WEIGHT

lets assume the miata has a conservative 240hp at the crank... with 2299 pounds, that means that each hp moves 9.58 lbs.

if the vette is 3200lbs, which i don't think it is, (but cannot prove other wise b/c the chevrolet.com site doesn't give weight... ) with hp of 350... power to weight is about 9.14

i'm pretty sure the vette weighs more... almost positive, considering a golf gti weighs about 3300... i think the vette is closer to 3500...

POWER TO WEIGHT GUYS, COME ON

ACCORDING TO WWW.SUPERCARCENTRAL.COM

the vette is...


Car Name: Chevy Corvette C5
Weight: 3215 lbs
Engine: V8
Horsepower: 345 bhp@5600 rpm
Torque: 350 ft/lb@4400 rpm
Transmission: 6 speed manual
0-60 mph: 4.8 seconds
0-100 mph: 11.5 seconds
Top Speed: 172 mph
Price: $38,895

give the miata a break!!! its super light and its turboed. plus NC8CT doens't bullshit and generally knows what hes talkin about. that and hes a fellow AF Tofu CREW member!!! represent!!!:finger:

2299lbs with 140hp stock

Thats light as shit. A featherweight lol. Miata's don't have a hardtop do they? Cuz thats pretty good being convertible.
Yeah I figured Vettes were about 3200 lbs. The Z06 models I know are a 100 pounds less 3100 for sho :D .
Relax Tat I don't think many people are calling bs on this. I'm certainly not.

Hey NB8 you show them the Zoom Zoom Mazda always advertises? LoL.

Dude my car is the way the miata should have come, with some BALLS.

Good job on showin' him what's-what. But something in the back of my head keeps....I guess it's just my 'domestic car' defenses. I like the design of the new miatas; they look like mini vipers or something. Wouldn't drive one since I'd feel uncomfortable being so close to the road. Anyway, nice job!

I'm not saying the miata wouldn't beat the C5, let me just get that outof the way.
ok, for all of you "power to weight" guys, yes power to weight is very significant, but it is not everything like yall make it out to be. More power is always a good thing no matter how much the vehicle weighs.
example: My old dirtbike weighed in at approximately 223 lbs. and made about 25 hp. It works out to 8.92:1 pwr to wt. ratio yet there is no way in hell it would out-run the miata or the vette, and it topped out at 65 mph. My point is, no matter how light a car is, it still needs plenty of power. Even if that miata only weighed 1000 pounds it would still need plenty of power to reach... say... 170mph:D ...vette...cough cough. Let me repeat, I'm not ripping on the miata, just making a point and just a theory at that, so I could be wrong.

Power to weight is EVERYTHING. Your comparing a dirtbike to a Turbo Miata and a C5?!? Come on really. Ask anyone and they will agree that power to weight is critical if you want to go fast. Case in point: I beat a C5 that is almost 1000 lbs heavier than me, and I have almost 100hp less than it; explain to me again why power to weight isnt important??

Damn fine kill man. People never see it coming, and that is what I love. The look on their face as they get their ass handed to them by a sleeper. :D

Originally posted by NB8CT
Power to weight is EVERYTHING. Your comparing a dirtbike to a Turbo Miata and a C5?!? Come on really. Ask anyone and they will agree that power to weight is critical if you want to go fast. Case in point: I beat a C5 that is almost 1000 lbs heavier than me, and I have almost 100hp less than it; explain to me again why power to weight isnt important??

Actually power to weight is far from everything. It is important and nobody said it wasn't. Clearly, lightening the load will increase a cars potential for speed.

I've beaten C5s in my cars although my cars certainly heavier. Of course the driver is the single biggest factor, but there is more to it then any one issue like power to weight. From a standstill - you have traction. Higher speeds - you have drag. The power band and a dozen other things also make a difference.

btw - Good kill.

Originally posted by NB8CT
Power to weight is EVERYTHING. Your comparing a dirtbike to a Turbo Miata and a C5?!? Come on really. Ask anyone and they will agree that power to weight is critical if you want to go fast. Case in point: I beat a C5 that is almost 1000 lbs heavier than me, and I have almost 100hp less than it; explain to me again why power to weight isnt important??

Never said it wasn't important, just said it wasn't everything, read my post again. Are you telling me your miata is capable of over 170 mph? C'mon use your brain and think about this one. My old dirtbike couldn't reach a higher top speed because it lacked the nescessary power to compensate for the wind resistance and such. (it was not gear limited, believe me) So while your miata may be extremely quick, it is still not capable of the speeds of a C5. (so I believe your story actually, I'm just trying to clear up this whole power to weight theory) and your damn straight I'm comparing a dirtbike to a "turbo miata" and C5, because if "power to weight is everything" then it shouldn't matter what the vehicle is right? So it shouldn't matter if the vehicle is a miata or a C5 right? Your totally contradicting yourself... lol
So to sum it all up, with YOUR theory on "power to weight" (even with the proper gearing), my dirtbike should have been able to reach 170+mph.....ummm no. I picked an example like my dirtbike as an extreme example, because if I used something else, yall definately wouldn't understand.

Originally posted by YogsVR4


Actually power to weight is far from everything. It is important and nobody said it wasn't. Clearly, lightening the load will increase a cars potential for speed.

I've beaten C5s in my cars although my cars certainly heavier. Of course the driver is the single biggest factor, but there is more to it then any one issue like power to weight. From a standstill - you have traction. Higher speeds - you have drag. The power band and a dozen other things also make a difference.

btw - Good kill.

THANK YOU, I was beginning to feel all alone:D

Originally posted by MadZ


Never said it wasn't important, just said it wasn't everything, read my post again. Are you telling me your miata is capable of over 170 mph? C'mon use your brain and think about this one. My old dirtbike couldn't reach a higher top speed because it lacked the nescessary power to compensate for the wind resistance and such. (it was not gear limited, believe me) So while your miata may be extremely quick, it is still not capable of the speeds of a C5. (so I believe your story actually, I'm just trying to clear up this whole power to weight theory) and your damn straight I'm comparing a dirtbike to a "turbo miata" and C5, because if "power to weight is everything" then it shouldn't matter what the vehicle is right? So it shouldn't matter if the vehicle is a miata or a C5 right? Your totally contradicting yourself... lol
So to sum it all up, with YOUR theory on "power to weight" (even with the proper gearing), my dirtbike should have been able to reach 170+mph.....ummm no. I picked an example like my dirtbike as an extreme example, because if I used something else, yall definately wouldn't understand.

I know my car is not capable of 170mph, becuase of gearing and the CD. I know I could go faster with a taller 5th or rear end. If your dirtbike was geared for higher speeds (and its most definatly not) it could get there, buts its a dirt bike..... look at a Hayabusa, tell me that power to weight AND gearing has nothing to do with it, it could be geared different and have a top end of 100....

Originally posted by NB8CT

look at a Hayabusa, tell me that power to weight AND gearing has nothing to do with it, it could be geared different and have a top end of 100....

Yea, but if it was geared for like 100mph, then the front wheel wouldn't have any use, might as well make it a uni-cycle then lol.

Originally posted by NB8CT


I know my car is not capable of 170mph, becuase of gearing and the CD. I know I could go faster with a taller 5th or rear end. If your dirtbike was geared for higher speeds (and its most definatly not) it could get there, buts its a dirt bike..... look at a Hayabusa, tell me that power to weight AND gearing has nothing to do with it, it could be geared different and have a top end of 100....

Yes, if my dirtbike were geared a little bit higher it would have been a little bit faster, but not 170 mph fast. you could get taller gears and shit for the miata but once you hit a 150 mph wind, your gonna need more than taller gears. The Hayabusa along with all other high performance motorcycles are are only like 2 feet wide and extremely aerodynamic. Your car is like a brick compared to those things. And if you want to talk about power to weight with those, let me tell you, their ratios far exceed yours beyond comparison anyways. (I'm sure R-1 rider can vouch for that) In other words, they are just scary fast, with around 140 hp and weighing around 500 lbs. that comes to about 3.5:1. Now, maybe if your car could lose about a thousand lbs or so and was extremely aerodynamic it could reach those speeds.:D But I still highly doubt it.

Originally posted by R1-rider
Yea, but if it was geared for like 100mph, then the front wheel wouldn't have any use, might as well make it a uni-cycle then lol.
You would also get to that top speed of 100 mph in about 3 seconds:D

yeah, once you get up to 150mph, the air is gonna be the problem. the c5 corvette has a Cd of .29, in 97, when the car was new, that was the lowest drag of any production car. Im not sure if there is one better now, but that vette is still mad slippery.

power 2 weight only matters off the line

(remember physics - an object in motion at rests tends to stay at rest?)

well the more weight you have the more its going to resist acceleration

but at about 70 or so mph
wind resistance is a much much bigger factor than the weight of the car

the miata would probably have him on the 60 mph race - but more than likely doesnt have a chance to 120

aerodynamics is a huge thing at high speeds
the redesign on the 02 nsx dropped its cd 1 point
and raised its top speed like from 169 - 177 or something like that
quite a nice jump i would say

hmmmm the infiniti G35 has a CD of .26 soooo i guess the C5 is no longer the most aerodynamic car in production now.

Originally posted by |Banchi1O5|
power 2 weight only matters off the line

(remember physics - an object in motion at rests tends to stay at rest?)

well the more weight you have the more its going to resist acceleration


aerodynamics is a huge thing at high speeds


i belive its called inertia:hehehe: :hehe: :hehehe: :hehe:

Originally posted by darklight
"you know how slow the new rolls royce be"
"gimmie the keys gimmie the G's gimmie the weed gimmie the Mack 10, and let me see what's happenin...."--Juvenile

i guess you do know how slow the new rolls royce be?:silly2:

The murcielago has a negative coefficient of lift - meaning that the FASTER you go in that car, the MORE grip-creating downforce you get. I dont know of any other cars that can do this.

all cars with spoilers or other stability features do this

The Ferrari 360 Modena has no wings and it does this... The Saleen S7 is a mad downforce machine. The editor from Road and Track says,

"As speed climbs and it's aerodynamic forces come into play, the S7 requires a deliberate mindset shift to accept that the faster you go, the more grip you have."

anything with a wedge shape (not isoceles but angled in a forward manner) is going to create downforce
and the faster air is moving around it the more df it creates
its creating it in terms of percentage :)

but considering things
like the self adjusting wing on the back of a 99 vr4
this actually changes its oriantation the faster it moves
therefore the percentage of downforce relative to the speed of the vehicle also increases

Zoom Zoom Zoom, yeah zoom zoom zoooom..........

they still make vr4's in 99? wow

Originally posted by |Banchi1O5|
anything with a wedge shape (not isoceles but angled in a forward manner) is going to create downforce
and the faster air is moving around it the more df it creates
its creating it in terms of percentage :)

but considering things
like the self adjusting wing on the back of a 99 vr4
this actually changes its oriantation the faster it moves
therefore the percentage of downforce relative to the speed of the vehicle also increases

same thing on the 911 turbo, but it only goes up past 75 or something, im not sure if it moves relative to the speed?:confused:

ya zoom zoom zoom


:annoying kid voice whispering: zoom zoom zoooom :annoying kid voice whispering:

Ok....i think this post is just about finished...

Originally posted by dbartoschek
Ok....i think this post is just about finished...
I think it was finished when we started chanting car commercial hooks.:p

Chevy...LIKE A SMUCK... cause we cancelled the Camaro, and only gave the 50th anniversary Corvette 350hp.

Built FJORD ROUGH...

Dodge, Grab life by the Ears

Toyota... Yeah... Toyota.

Honda, Yep... We still get 32mpg, and you Dont.

Daewoo, We bet you cant go more than 10 miles in our cars!

Mitsubishi... We dont need Turbos or AWD to be cool we just need women having seizures in our cars to be cool!

Mazda... Slow slow...

Buick, Uhhh... Tiger Woods sells our cars so we're badass!

Oldsmobile, In 2004 we'll be NO MORE TEHEEE Buy an Olds!

Lexus, Pay more for a Camry with a Facelift! YAY!

Suzuki, Kazzoonnntite



yeah NOW this post is finished... figured i'd cover all the bases.

camry with a facelift i don't thinkso some how :finger:

hey your forgetting about nissan. enjoy the ride. cuase nissan is considered by many the muscle car company of the japanese market with alot of technology behind it. :finger:

Originally posted by TatII
hey your forgetting about nissan. enjoy the ride. cuase nissan is considered by many the muscle car company of the japanese market with alot of technology behind it. :finger:
YES! YES! NISSAN WOOOHOOO!!!......ok I'm done:D

hahaha you people have no sense of humor...

you couldnt take a joke if you were paid to.

sheesh, camry with a facelift... uhh the ES300 is exactly the same as a Camry..

Same motor ... same tranny. uhh lets see Umm same options... all you get is a Camry with a facelift and a higher price tag. :hehehe:

oh and a leather wrapped shift knob... oh wait you can get a Camry with one of those too... :rolleyes:

I guess you folks didnt realise i slammed Chevy harder than any other of them Manufacturers? And i'm a die hard chevy fan... but whateverrrr. :bloated:

Hey Redneck, please make fun of my nissan so I can use the :finger: smiley for no reason at all! Pleeeease. lol:D

isnt it illegal to use the words "japanese" & "muscle car" in the same context?!?

back on topic...


i'm not 100% sure, but the new nsx also dropped some weight if i remember correctly...

and yeah, at 70 power to weight is still important, and the miata is by no means an aerodynamic brick... gearing also plays in, b/c you could have a car that has 100 hp that can top out at 200 mph, it would just take days to get there... same gearing with more power gets there quicker... so the miata is quicker to the same speed in each gear...

and i mention power to weight b/c alot of people think that since the vette has more power overall that it should be the clear winner... but the miata has a significant boost in power, as was implied "more power is always better"

when it was stated that the ferrari "doesnt' have a wing"

the previous post noted "wings and other aerodynamic aids"

have you seen the bottom of the ferrari?
undertrays are extremely important in creating downforce. that is why it doesn't need the wing. channeling air efficiently under the body can do the same as channeling it efficiently above. that is why alot of very high speed vehicles have nearly smooth undertrays that are aerodynamically tuned to create downforce, and keep wings smaller to reduce drag.

but the new nsx also dropped some weight if i remember correctly...

This just in the Acura NSX goes on the Subway diet.

Um yeah...zoom zoom....:grey: ....this post is losing it.