2003 Cobra vs 2003 S2K *link*

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next up will be the viper-corolla shootout?

I keep hearing people with s2k's talk of beating cobras, and they are in the same class people keep saying. So sure, when they make a 13 sec corrola i'll do that. :bandit:

:hehehe: HAHAHAHAHAHA that was some good shit cybercrx... I thought about that too and I can't stop laughing... damn.. I love the satire. :biggrin2:

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
I keep hearing people with s2k's talk of beating cobras, and they are in the same class people keep saying. So sure, when they make a 13 sec corrola i'll do that. :bandit:

You keep hearing talk of people beating pre-03 Cobra's...And that's completely possible and believable. Mag stock times on both are close...14.1 for the s2k, and 13.7 for a new Cobra...Not much of a difference, so an s2k with a profecient driver and a Cobra with a below average driver would do it. Also, just a bad launch fron the Cobra and a good launch from the s2k would also do the trick...No one has compared an S2k to an '03 Cobra I don't think...It's minnows vs. great whites...:D

No one has compared an S2k to an '03 Cobra I don't think...It's minnows vs. great whites...

took one last week on my huffy... the goldfish always wins..

Originally posted by Self

14.1 for the s2k, and 13.7 for a new Cobra




The 2003 cobras run mid 12s.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0





The 2003 cobras run mid 12s.

Yes yes, I know...I meant newER...New as in before the '03. I was too lazy to go back and edit it and also hought it was clear givin the rest of my argument...No harm done, get to tack one more onto my post count:D

I wonder what handles better, has a higher build quality and is just a pure blast to redline at 9000 and toss around corners? Yeah, your right. The S2000.

Originally posted by AE101
I wonder what handles better, has a higher build quality and is just a pure blast to redline at 9000 and toss around corners? Yeah, your right. The S2000.

Better build quality?? Doubtful. How do you come to that conclusion? You make unintelligent assumptions about a vehicle you know nothing about. You've never seen one in person most likely, you haven't heard anything about the vehicle other than the specs most likely, so you decide to bash its build quality...That's great...Secondly, the S2k better damn well out handle the heavier, larger, more powerful Cobra. And in my opinion the Cobra has the S2k beat in the fun-factor department.

big, heavy, and powerful don't make a fun car, but then again, that is a very subjective aspect of a vehicle. I personally feel a fun car to drive is one that is decently quick, yet has the ability to be throw around like a go-cart. I've said it a thousand times, my SH prelude is much funner to drive than my modded TTZ was. I could just imagine some stiffer springs, sway bars, and some sticky tires.


As fo build quality, a mustang is a mustang, I sincerly doubt they use completely different materials and procedures for making the chassis/ body/ interior on the new cobra then they do on any other 99+ mustang. That being said, their interiors are very poor quality compared to honda's. maybe the cobra has a better built engine, since there have been some problems with the s2k engine, but overall, I think the honda is probably built quite a bit better.

It was rumored that mustangs (of the later 90's model year) were built cheaper than civics of the same years. Cheaper being quality of materials, design, ect... It could be all hearsay, but if someone could back this up with some facts, or prove it wrong with some facts, I would think it to be an interesting part of this battle.

I'm pretty sure that would have to be a rumor. First off, who in their right mind would go through each component of both cars just to find out if one was made with a higher/lesser quality then the other. Especially between two cars like the mustang and civic. I could possibly see a in-depth comparison between say a mustang and a camaro. But even then, you'd had to take EVERYTHING on each car and find out how it compares to the same thing on the other car. I.E, the quality of the screws used to hold the door panels in place, or maybe the door handle. Just my 2cents :D

I completly agree

Honda normally has better designs on interior and quality of styling etc, but is usually slower. As I see it :D

Originally posted by cybercrx00
big, heavy, and powerful don't make a fun car, but then again, that is a very subjective aspect of a vehicle. I personally feel a fun car to drive is one that is decently quick, yet has the ability to be throw around like a go-cart. I've said it a thousand times, my SH prelude is much funner to drive than my modded TTZ was. I could just imagine some stiffer springs, sway bars, and some sticky tires.


As fo build quality, a mustang is a mustang, I sincerly doubt they use completely different materials and procedures for making the chassis/ body/ interior on the new cobra then they do on any other 99+ mustang. That being said, their interiors are very poor quality compared to honda's. maybe the cobra has a better built engine, since there have been some problems with the s2k engine, but overall, I think the honda is probably built quite a bit better.

I suppose so...Fun to me has always been slamming the pedal to the floor in second and going sideways into third...That's a feeling you have to experience to understand...Being able to chirp the gears into third...Lifting the wheels off of the ground on a hard launch...Difting around corners effortlessly...Being able to set a $20 bill on the dash and telling your friend riding shotgun if they can grab it, they can keep it(and being able to keep your $20:D ) but to each his own...

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
I completly agree

Honda normally has better designs on interior and quality of styling etc, but is usually slower. As I see it :D

You hit the nail on the head. Usually slower. Compare the face of the Corvette driver who just got beat by the 2003 Mustang and the face of the same Corvette driver who got beat by a Civic hatchback, or worse, a Civic four-door. I am sure I would be framing the latter if I had a picture of it. This is what makes working on an "economy car" worthwhile for some people.

As for the S2000, it doesn't really fall in the same category as an "economy car", but in the same breath, I would ask you to look at a Porsche Boxster. The Boxster is 40 to 50 large of German engineering, yet is slower and even less handling capable than an S2000. At about $15,000 or much more. Compare that.

I don't know if any of you have ever driven a high-revving car with superb handling. It's not always about what it does in a straight line or an autocross course. When I had my 1990 Integra with the b16 that revved to 10,000 RPMs with an improved suspension system, I always found myself speeding more on curves, blipping the throttle to rev-match as I downshifted, and heel-toeing around sharp corners to keep the revs up. This is the kind of stuff Formula drivers experience everyday in their day job, except for the sequential gearing, and let me tell you, it was the best therapy in the world for me. If I had anything stressing me, I'd just go out to my favorite curvy/cop-free road, pretend I was a Formula driver, and go home, even finding a few street-challenges on the way. Fun.

With the S2000, it takes this Formula(pardon the pun), and amplifies it with top-down driving, and rear-wheel drive.

Oh, the '03 Mustang SVT is estimated to be around 36grand. I am sure when the dealers are done with this car, it'll be around 40 thou or more, just like the dealers did in the beginning with the S2K. The actual price for an S2000 is about 32 thousand dollars. I can take the 4 thousand dollar price difference and use that towards a supercharger(my preference for a no-torque monster like the S2K), and match or beat that(also) blown Mustang in the straight line.

Just saying. Putting things in perspective as it is.

The s2000 is nice, have driven and ridden in them many times. There just not all that, the fun factor around town is low, get alot of looks though. The lack of bottom end keeps you from being able to slide out the rear, and makes it feel like a civic around town. Would take the 2003 cobra over the s2000 any time.

Originally posted by Self


Better build quality?? Doubtful. How do you come to that conclusion? You make unintelligent assumptions about a vehicle you know nothing about. You've never seen one in person most likely, you haven't heard anything about the vehicle other than the specs most likely, so you decide to bash its build quality...That's great...Secondly, the S2k better damn well out handle the heavier, larger, more powerful Cobra. And in my opinion the Cobra has the S2k beat in the fun-factor department.

Yeah, like i've never seen one. In fact I took a little ride in my freinds exactly one week ago. And for the Mustang Having a better built engine...um yeah. Right.

Being the owner of 6 Hondas, 2 Nissans, a Mazda, and a Toyota I think I know these cars all too well. Just to brew some more crap up. Ford Windstar vs. The Odyssey(which i currently have sitting in my driveway, so dont say i have never seen one)...

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
The s2000 is nice, have driven and ridden in them many times. There just not all that, the fun factor around town is low, get alot of looks though. The lack of bottom end keeps you from being able to slide out the rear, and makes it feel like a civic around town. Would take the 2003 cobra over the s2000 any time.

Okay. Did you read my post above yours? The Honda S2000 is not meant for sliding around the rear-end. You obviously employ a different style of driving and derive a different pleasure from cars as I do. The car is not "all that" to you, but to me it is. You persist in putting down the cars of choice in this forum, and flaunting your car of choice, like it'll change our minds about it. I admire your car, and your choices. They are all nice cars, but my admiration goes ONLY in that area. Your attitude towards people that don't parallel your choices or mirror your wants is, I can only say, poor.

Just like I won't tolerate Honda drivers who act boorish and put down other car's and their owners in here, I won't tolerate the opposite. Not saying that you are, but your general attitude and feeling in your posts point towards that direction. Just don't want it to go any further.

Originally posted by AE101


Yeah, like i've never seen one. In fact I took a little ride in my freinds exactly one week ago. And for the Mustang Having a better built engine...um yeah. Right.

Being the owner of 6 Hondas, 2 Nissans, a Mazda, and a Toyota I think I know these cars all too well. Just to brew some more crap up. Ford Windstar vs. The Odyssey(which i currently have sitting in my driveway, so dont say i have never seen one)...

Doubtful...doubtful...

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


Okay. Did you read my post above yours? The Honda S2000 is not meant for sliding around the rear-end. You obviously employ a different style of driving and derive a different pleasure from cars as I do. The car is not "all that" to you, but to me it is. You persist in putting down the cars of choice in this forum, and flaunting your car of choice, like it'll change our minds about it. I admire your car, and your choices. They are all nice cars, but my admiration goes ONLY in that area. Your attitude towards people that don't parallel your choices or mirror your wants is, I can only say, poor.

Just like I won't tolerate Honda drivers who act boorish and put down other car's and their owners in here, I won't tolerate the opposite. Not saying that you are, but your general attitude and feeling in your posts point towards that direction. Just don't want it to go any further.


Are you off your medication again? When did I put any car down? Please point out the phrase, group of words or sentence structure that illustrates your point. I stated facts, merely facts. All this coming from you has little value any way, the most biased, single minded and dare say, hypocritical moderator I have ever run into on any board. The only statment I said that was not fact is" the s2000 is not all that" granted it could beat my car on a road course with a compotent driver, but the s2000 is not living up to the hype that surrounded it when it came out. My question is this, have you even ridden in a s2000 before? I doubt it.

You persist in putting down the cars of choice in this forum, and flaunting your car of choice, like it'll change our minds about it.

Dude what the fuck is your problem, no kidding he's flaunting his car of choice, isn't everyone? Your supposed to make a choice on this topic, what do you like better remember? So what are you trying to say he can't participate?

In my opinion , I would much rather pay $32600 for a S2K then $38995 for a Cobra. For one, I think the S2000 has much more style and is more unique while the Cobra looks like all the other Mustangs out on the streets. I get tired of seeing 10 Mustangs just on my way home from school. If you want to have speed then throw in a s/c or turbo and you have yourself a S2000 that competes in 1/4 with the Cobra for about the same price. But I don't see why these two cars are being compared in the first place because they are so different and made for different reasons. Just my opinion...

Originally posted by J Roman
In my opinion , I would much rather pay $32600 for a S2K then $38995 for a Cobra. For one, I think the S2000 has much more style and is more unique while the Cobra looks like all the other Mustangs out on the streets. I get tired of seeing 10 Mustangs just on my way home from school. If you want to have speed then throw in a s/c or turbo and you have yourself a S2000 that competes in 1/4 with the Cobra for about the same price. But I don't see why these two cars are being compared in the first place because they are so different and made for different reasons. Just my opinion...


Your entitled to your opinion. I think the comparison is more of a joke because the cars ARE so different.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



I stated facts, merely facts. All this coming from you has little value any way, the most biased, single minded and dare say, hypocritical moderator I have ever run into on any board. The only statment I said that was not fact is" the s2000 is not all that" granted it could beat my car on a road course with a compotent driver, but the s2000 is not living up to the hype that surrounded it when it came out. My question is this, have you even ridden in a s2000 before? I doubt it.

The facts you presented are facts only to you. The fact that the S2K's rear-end cannot be slid easily is an asset to some people, especially on a track. This is what I meant when I said you derive a different pleasure from cars than I in particular, most Honda drivers in general. "The S2000 is not all that" was never a fact in MY or some other people's minds, therefore is an opinion. Saying "the S2K is just not my kind of car" is a better way of expressing your opinion without sounding like you're making an opinion for everybody else reading your post. I never said you were putting down the car(at least in literation), but your tone, not just in this post, but in some of your other posts talking about Honda cars, definitely shows your lack of enthusiasm for Honda cars...and that's putting it mildly. I do not aim to chnge your opinions about Honda's, but just merely try to make you realize how you're sounding to at least one person in this board...moderator or not. Also, can you believe it? A HONDA board moderator biased towards HONDA?...and DAMN!...he's ALSO biased against people biased against HONDA!...what's the world coming to?

I am a Honda guy. I am also a car guy, through and through. What you'd have to realize, is that if most Honda drivers didn't respect your kind of car, they wouldn't be working so hard to try and beat it. The Honda guys here that talk the most smack about Mustangs are usually the proudest ones when they beat one, and the maddest when they lose to one...that in itself is one of the highest forms of respect I could think of you could give to a car.

One last thing. I might not own an S2K, but I know at least 3 people who own one, including my friend who owns the CRX who runs low 13's high 12's all-motor...he owns his own shop, and will be supercharging his S2K as soon as Comptech ships the SC. I also work currently at a performance/show parts shop here in AZ that caters to most modern cars...including OMG! Mustangs! This is how I can talk about the stupid V6 'Stang owners who do nothing but ricey crap to their cars. Anyways, I have had the privilege of riding and driving an S2K, thank you, and for that matter, several Mustang variations (GT 5.0, V6, GT 4.6, 4.6 SVT) and was even able to go around the block in the new 450HP Roush...nice.

Originally posted by DeViL


Dude what the fuck is your problem, no kidding he's flaunting his car of choice, isn't everyone? Your supposed to make a choice on this topic, what do you like better remember? So what are you trying to say he can't participate

I don't care if anybody flaunts their car. It's just not right to make other makes look bad to make your choice seem better. Especially if the make your putting down down happens to be the host of the board you're posting in. I was just intervening before the dumbasses find their way in here start an actual flame war, instead of a discussion like this. Also, for opinions' sake, I should tell you that if I had a choice, and I was buying a brand new car right now, I'd probably get the 350Z over both cars discussed. The 350Z is as fast as the S2K, though doesn't handle as good, with more usable torque, for almost ten-thousand less.

Okay in a previous post you say Im putting cars down, then in this last post you say you never said that I put any car down. Can you not read? After I make any knid of statement I will put a disclaimer, "does not repersent the view of others on this board" Would that make you feel better? You are one big hypocrite. You go on about how I put cars down and that I only like one brand and that I dont like hondas ect. ect. Then you turn around and bash mustangs and "flaunt" the "greatness" of honda. You say I dont show enthusiasm for Honda, were is your enthusiasm for Ford?? So, basicaly the only thing else I have to say to you is, deal with it. Im not changing the way I post or the way I think because some hypocrite, poor example of a moderator does not like it. I like FORD Mustangs, Im not a big fan of hondas, though I do have a 91 civic. I AM going to flaunt the Cobra over other cars, because it is the car of my choice. So, get your act straight, drop your double standard, and we might just quit wasting bandwith. If not, learn to live with it.

You say I dont show enthusiasm for Honda, were is your enthusiasm for Ford??

Carnutt says:

...and was even able to go around the block in the new 450HP Roush....nice.

Able like it's a privilege. Nice like it's nice.

This comment could be misconstrued as an insult to the S2K:

There just not all that, the fun factor around town is low, get alot of looks though. The lack of bottom end keeps you from being able to slide out the rear, and makes it feel like a civic around town.


That's like calling your mustang an escort.

Also, 94svt... Just so you don't accuse me for being biased. I personally have much respect for many of the mustang owners who actually do their car right. I find myself being a closet '88 5.0 fan. That probably doesn't mean much to you, but coming from a family that has always shunned Ford, it really is. I have always, ever since I could remember, been a domestic and a Chevy fan. I built a '65 chev pickup from literally almost nothing. My point is, is that I have been learning about the other side (imports and fords), and making judgements based on what I know about the other cars and how their drivers feel about them.

For college, I needed an economical car because my small block just wasn't cutting it for gas mileage. I first went to the prelude board on AF and read the posts. You get an uncanny sense of pride when you read their posts. That sense of pride is one of the main things that drew me to that particular car. I looked at it and said, "I want that pride". Now I can feel that pride, in both of my vehicles. I would never get rid of my pickup, it's my pride and joy. I give my lude almost equal respect because it is the engineering marvel that is the automobile.

The founder of Honda used to follow Model Ts and smell the oil that they leaked. To him it was perfume... and inspiration.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
You say I dont show enthusiasm for Honda, were is your enthusiasm for Ford?? So, basicaly the only thing else I have to say to you is, deal with it. Im not changing the way I post or the way I think because some hypocrite, poor example of a moderator does not like it. I like FORD Mustangs, Im not a big fan of hondas, though I do have a 91 civic. I AM going to flaunt the Cobra over other cars, because it is the car of my choice. So, get your act straight, drop your double standard, and we might just quit wasting bandwith. If not, learn to live with it.

lol...Look around yourself, realize where you are...You're in the HONDA FORUM!!! Why is it such a surprise that the moderators here like Honda's? Where is his enthusiasm for Ford?? Even though I think he does have some, why does he have to?? He's a moderator in a HONDA FORUM!! NOT a Ford forum! If you want people to have enthusiasm for Fords...Then go here...http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f737/ ...Enjoy yourself, and don't EVER come back into these HONDA FORUMS AGAIN!! That would save yourself trouble, us your bitching, and automotiveforums.com bandwidth
Unfortunately for you, he doesn't have to "deal with it". He's the moderator remember? And therefor he has the right to ban you whenever he damn well pleases...And you can deal with that. You don't like Honda's, don't like most of the people in here, don't like the S2k, and don't like the moderators of this forum...Why is it exactly that you waste time coming here??:confused: If you want to flaunt the Cobra over all other cars...Refer to the link above and you'll be good to go. So maybe you should get YOUR act straightened up in these HONDA FORUMS. Or learn to live with the fact that you're not wanted here.

Hey -self I dont like hondas. Do I care if you want me here? NO! Am I tired of the chilidish arguments with the likes of you and carnutt? Yes! Deal with it, if you dont like me thats your problem. Every one else flaunts there car, should I not? I am entitled to my opinion as are you all. Think you can learn to live with that?

Fact

The S2K requires a perfect driver to make it a good car

Cause

High power curve, need for a high rpm launch, very tight handling configuration.

Fact

The S2k is NOWHERE NEAR an F1 car

How high does the Civic rev? wow, its like an f1....because it revs higher than a cobra...or my t-bird.

F1 Cars rev twice as high as S2K's And over and over, everytime I see F1 racing, the Honda car breaks something, the driver and commenters talk about it "They are amazing cars, but they just try to push too much out of them, something has to give when its put under this much stress"

Rumor

I have heard of MANY S2K's having alot of problems with Forced induction, they need huge ammonuts of cash to get it working right, and tuned well, not simply 4 grand, more like 10. Thus putting it quite a bit above cobra price range.

Fact

The Cobra is designed to be not only extremly fast in the straitaway, but handle better than mostly everything on the market, I have heard of many many times cobras (00-02) beating Corvettes, S2Ks, Vipers etc on road courses with comperable drivers.

Now, why is all this here, why not argue on the site where the STATS are given, this helps out a tremounds ammount....

Fact

Convertables DONT handle as well as hardtops, mis-distrubited weight, heaver, poor areodynamics.


Fact

Carnutt, you said you dont tollerate honda drivers putting down other cars

THATS ALL THIS FORUM IS!

Opinion

I like how the S2K looks, but when it gets up to speed it has too much windage against it,in my opinion throwing off the handling

Well my my, it goes down to drivers dosent it?

So if you wanna argue, dont say "Ive ---"
Say "The horsepower to weight ratio" or "the front suspension on the Cobra..."

I completly agree with 94svt5.0 in what hes saying

Sure it handles well, so does the cobra, just as well I would say. If not better that is

Fact

The Cobra is faster

Sure, it looks like other mustangs to someone who dosent know anything about cars

But the fact is

the Sk2

Its a honda....:bandit:

uhhhh yeah, why do we even bother with this arguement?

They're two totally seperate beasts.

They're marketed towards to seperate demographics, the S2000 more towards the generations who appreciated the times when Open roadsters where the car to have, and the Cobra to the generations where asphault ripping torque was king.


True, they're stats may cross over... but unless any of us actually has either of these vehicles and gets them together and race then this arguement will never end.

Both are nice cars. Some like the Cobra, some like the S2000. Is it too hard to imagine people having different tastes? Or does everybody have to like what you like? Haha.

Well, I simply put a link to my poll because it was heavy on the Cobra, I didnt know honda drivers are scared to get into a technical discussion, and instead throw around opinions in the safty of their own fourm.

BUT!!!

I will give the S2K a thumbs up, overall I do like it, wouldnt want one really, not my style, especally for the price. But it defentally has many many pluses, hence why I was compairing it to the 03 cobra. I wouldnt bother with a civic, its a family car, not a street machine.

But carnutt, you have to agree with redneck and let 94svt5.0 and others like myself their opinion, if we wanna come in here and say, "I dont like this car because..." we have that right, this isnt Pure Honda, its AutomotiveFourms. What were doing is in many ways the as what alot of import owners do, going into other fourms and puting down other cars. The difference here is this isnt just our opinion, its a chalange. If you all wanna say "hey, that cobra is a joke" then back up your car when we say it to you, believe me, well do the same for our own cars, its called pride. :bandit:

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Well, I simply put a link to my poll because it was heavy on the Cobra, I didnt know honda drivers are scared to get into a technical discussion, and instead throw around opinions in the safty of their own fourm.

BUT!!!

I will give the S2K a thumbs up, overall I do like it, wouldnt want one really, not my style, especally for the price. But it defentally has many many pluses, hence why I was compairing it to the 03 cobra. I wouldnt bother with a civic, its a family car, not a street machine.

But carnutt, you have to agree with redneck and let 94svt5.0 and others like myself their opinion, if we wanna come in here and say, "I dont like this car because..." we have that right, this isnt Pure Honda, its AutomotiveFourms. What were doing is in many ways the as what alot of import owners do, going into other fourms and puting down other cars. The difference here is this isnt just our opinion, its a chalange. If you all wanna say "hey, that cobra is a joke" then back up your car when we say it to you, believe me, well do the same for our own cars, its called pride. :bandit:

Haha....Can I do that too?? That Cobra is a joke...I'll smoke it every day of the week:D Nah, I don't like the car, because it's a Mustang, and it is in my genes to hate all Mustangs because I drive a Z, but I respect it's power. I'll still smoke it though, hehe:D

thats right, -SELF, fear what can walk you.

so I'm gonna stand by my opinion, and say no matter how fast or well it might perform, it's still a shitty mustang made from shitty materials, assembled by shitty mexicans, and I will never own one.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
thats right, -SELF, fear what can walk you.

lol...an 03 Cobra can walk me?? Get real my friend...Not stock it can't, guaranteed...Modded is a different story, but do you have one?? Fear what can WALK YOU...And when you get an 03 Cobra, come see me and you can fear me:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Self


lol...an 03 Cobra can walk me?? Get real my friend...Not stock it can't, guaranteed...Modded is a different story, but do you have one?? Fear what can WALK YOU...And when you get an 03 Cobra, come see me and you can fear me:rolleyes:


Oh, I FORGOT, the z28 like the civic with muffler and leftover airplane wing parts, is presumed faster then all. Care to tell us what you got bolted onto that z28 that will make it outrun the mid 12s of a STOCK 03 cobra?

Originally posted by cybercrx00
so I'm gonna stand by my opinion, and say no matter how fast or well it might perform, it's still a shitty mustang made from shitty materials, assembled by shitty mexicans, and I will never own one.

Sounds like your loss. The 03 cobra is hand built from the bottom up by well trained profesionals. who cares about there nationality. Arn't you a mexican anyway? who do you think puts those preludes togather.

a bunch of japanese, considering it was made in japan 9/99 and has 100% japanese parts content, the lexus also has 100% japanese parts. I would definitely trust a japanese car manufacturer over some underpaid mexicans. BTW, I'm american not mexican, hence why I live in America

So, your saying the ethnicity of japanese is better then mexican? Okay hitler.. I mean cybercrx00.

I think he meant the quality of workmanship... Last I checked, I haven't seen any Sony, Hitatchi, Aiwa, etc. coming out of Mexico. Granted, Jose Cuervo and Tecate are all fine products but still...


BTW, aren't Hondas assembled in America and Canada? Minus the nice JDM ones we'd all like to have in the states.

Maybe everyone should take Nick Hexum's advice.. "it doesnt matter if it's funky to you.."

Originally posted by Prelewd

BTW, aren't Hondas assembled in America and Canada? Minus the nice JDM ones we'd all like to have in the states.

no, the civics and accords are, possibly a couple others, but the preludes, s2k, NSK, type-r(maybe all integras), and most acuras are assembled in japan and shipped over, kind of the reason they cost more than they would over there.

thanks cyber... I love learning from these forums. Impresses the girls.

:silly:

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



Oh, I FORGOT, the z28 like the civic with muffler and leftover airplane wing parts, is presumed faster then all. Care to tell us what you got bolted onto that z28 that will make it outrun the mid 12s of a STOCK 03 cobra?

Haha...What?? My car isn't stock, and who ever said the Z28 is presumed faster than all? MY Z28 however, WILL outrun the mid 12s of the 03 Cobra, hence why I said it would earlier...Don't turn to talking about me now that you think you've finished up with everyone else...
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And that's since I switched the cam up...No more SRC for me...Miss the power though...Either way, still able to smoke the Cobra, and smoke you too I'm assuming? I'm not sure though, no need to assume...Can you beat that?

Not that anyone is doubting you, but could you post some slips?
Sounds like a nice Z by the way

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Fact

The S2K requires a perfect driver to make it a good car

Is that why YOU don't like it? How long ago did you get your license again?

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity

Cause

High power curve, need for a high rpm launch, very tight handling configuration.

One of the virtues of this car that magazines touted was that around the city, if you feel like it, you can drive it as if you were driving a Civic, meaning very easily(although svt considers this a bad thing), and when you feel the need to rip, it feels like a motorcycle on four wheels.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity

Fact

The S2k is NOWHERE NEAR an F1 car

But YET is based on F1 technology...did you ACTUALLY read my post?

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity

How high does the Civic rev? wow, its like an f1....because it revs higher than a cobra...or my t-bird.

I was talking about my b16-powered Integra that redlined at 10,000 rpms(modified, duh)...again, did you READ my post? Also, I was talking about imagining yourself as an F1 driver...which is a LOT easier redlining at 10,000 or 9,000(stock S2K), rather than 6,000 or less...because in a big-engined, high-torque car, you rev it like that, you'll just end up burning your tires into expensive smoke, and spinning yourself into an accident. BTW, did you know that F1 car's V10s are about 3 liters in volume?


Originally posted by TerminalVelocity

F1 Cars rev twice as high as S2K's And over and over, everytime I see F1 racing, the Honda car breaks something, the driver and commenters talk about it "They are amazing cars, but they just try to push too much out of them, something has to give when its put under this much stress"

If you're such a Formula connossieur, then explain to me why Team Andretti decided to go with Honda as it's engine supplier for the upcoming CART season? Oh, also...Honda only decided to go back into Formula One racing in the 2002 season after winning 2 Manufacturer's Championships in the late '70's. Interesting fact...the retirement rate(the engine malfunctioning and never finishing) for the Honda RA002E engine is this: out of 29 starts, it finished 15 times, a Retirement Rate of 48.276%. The Cosworth Racing CR-3 V10, of which the manufacturer is listed as FORD, it finished only 13 times out of 30 starts, a Retirement Rate of 56.667%. If you're such a Formula fan, you should know where to find this type of info...

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Rumor

I have heard of MANY S2K's having alot of problems with Forced induction, they need huge ammonuts of cash to get it working right, and tuned well, not simply 4 grand, more like 10. Thus putting it quite a bit above cobra price range.

Yup. You're right. It is a rumor, although one I've never heard of, which is funny because I work for a reputed tuner parts shop here in AZ, and am friends with the owner of the ONLY official Comptech dealer here in AZ(Comptech supplies SC's for the S2K...and my friend installs them). Most of this rumor probably lies in the fact that most people worry about the combination of the S2K's very high-compression(for a street-car) combined with forced-induction. I assure you, of the 2 S2K owners I've encountered with forced-induction on their cars, neither one reports having problems(one of them has been SC'd for month's and claims to have drag-raced his car on the street more than a few times), although both will be getting their internals done because they do worry about something happening.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Fact

The Cobra is designed to be not only extremly fast in the straitaway, but handle better than mostly everything on the market, I have heard of many many times cobras (00-02) beating Corvettes, S2Ks, Vipers etc on road courses with comperable drivers.

And...you heard of this the same way you heard about Honda's Formula engines?

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Now, why is all this here, why not argue on the site where the STATS are given, this helps out a tremounds ammount....


Okay. Show me a 36-38 thousand dollar Mustang running mid-12's, I'll show you a 20-thousand dollar Civic running the same times or better...if stats are all you care about.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Fact

Convertables DONT handle as well as hardtops, mis-distrubited weight, heaver, poor areodynamics.

Which is why the S2000 is so admired. It combines superb handling and chassis dynamics and top-down driving pleasure.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Fact

Carnutt, you said you dont tollerate honda drivers putting down other cars

THATS ALL THIS FORUM IS!

Duh. It's a Honda forum numbskull. It happens...but it still doesn't mean I tolerate it. Also, last I checked...I said I admire Mustangs...and wouldn't even mind owning one...again...DID YOU READ MY POST?

Opinion
Originally posted by TerminalVelocity

I like how the S2K looks, but when it gets up to speed it has too much windage against it,in my opinion throwing off the handling

The windage throwing-off the handling?? Would you like to call the Honda engineers about this so they may fix it? My best friend has a 1998 Eclipse Spyder...the "windage" in my face has NEVER thrown ME off when I drive his car...even on the freeway, going up to about 90-100MPH.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity

Well my my, it goes down to drivers dosent it?

I agree. Most of the time, it does. In the real-world that is.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
So if you wanna argue, dont say "Ive ---"
Say "The horsepower to weight ratio" or "the front suspension on the Cobra..."

Did I EVER give you or anybody that lame argument? If you wanna talk about that, the Cobra's HP/Weight ratio is 8.27pounds-per-horsepower. The S2K's is 11.2PPH...hmmm...can THAT explain the Cobra's better acceleration? Now, if you want to explore this further, a Comptech SC'd S2K has about 340HP, which equates to about 7.94PPH. Now, if you mean the old HP-per-liter issue, most people don't realize that when this is mentioned by magazines, it is usually to admire the engine. Just like the 4.6L Mustang engine would be HIGHLY praised if it had the HP-per-liter of a stock b16 engine(460HP). but then again, a high HP-per-liter engine, doesn't necessarily mean speed...because there's the rest of the car to consider.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
I completly agree with 94svt5.0 in what hes saying

Sure it handles well, so does the cobra, just as well I would say. If not better that is

Fact

The Cobra is faster

Sure, it looks like other mustangs to someone who dosent know anything about cars


Now, we ALL know the Cobra is faster...AND? What is the problem with you Ford boys? If you notice, you're usually the only ones who start this kind of shit in here. Face it, in quality, you're behind the Japanese...except for your european cars which were NEVER sold here until the Focus...which is why I'd probably buy a Focus before a Mustang...and in speed and power, you've always played catch-up to GM...is it the inferiority complex? You now have a Mustang you can be proud of...because it can hang with a Corvette...if only I can throw that same supercharger you boys needed to keep up on the 'Vette...

And screw the price-difference, which you'll most invariably try to point-out...we ALL know(well those of of us who accept truth) that the Mustang will NEVER be seen in the same classy sense as the Corvette...and the price difference is well-worth the quality and the prestige that come with the 'Vette.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
But the fact is

the Sk2

Its a honda....:bandit:

You mean S2K...and when has being a Honda been bad?

"and in speed and power, you've always played catch-up to GM...is it the inferiority complex? You now have a Mustang you can be proud of...because it can hang with a Corvette...if only I can throw that same supercharger you boys needed to keep up on the 'Vette...

And screw the price-difference, which you'll most invariably try to point-out...we ALL know(well those of of us who accept truth) that the Mustang will NEVER be seen in the same classy sense as the Corvette...and the price difference is well-worth the quality and the prestige that come with the 'Vette."


First off the Cobra isn't in the same class as the vette. Of course they're (mustang owners) are going to mention the price difference, its like what 14grand??? And what's the big deal about it having a s/c? I do agree about playing catch-up to the Z's and SS camaro's though. But for one reason, 4.6ltr vs. 5.7 ltr. Displacement. If Ford is putting out SIMILAR hp and torque numbers out of an engine that is quite a bit smaller, I really don't think they are playing catch up. I think it is the other way around, GM having to use larger engine's to keep up with ford. The same thing you are saying with honda and ford. e.x- your 4.6ltr putting out 460hp. I am a honda owner, used to be ford. And i like both very much. Had over 160,000 miles on my '91 explorer, and 150,000 on my '92 explorer. And the only thing the i had to fix on either one of them was switching the A/C over. I just hope my accord is the same way. Not trying to flame here, just my two cents.

Originally posted by 1SlowAccord
Not that anyone is doubting you, but could you post some slips?
Sounds like a nice Z by the way

Thanks...The quickest slip I can find shows a [email protected]'t find a 12.1, but here's that one. I'll look around more for a quicker one...

Originally posted by 1SlowAccord

First off the Cobra isn't in the same class as the vette. Of course they're (mustang owners) are going to mention the price difference, its like what 14grand??? And what's the big deal about it having a s/c? I do agree about playing catch-up to the Z's and SS camaro's though. But for one reason, 4.6ltr vs. 5.7 ltr. Displacement. If Ford is putting out SIMILAR hp and torque numbers out of an engine that is quite a bit smaller, I really don't think they are playing catch up. I think it is the other way around, GM having to use larger engine's to keep up with ford. The same thing you are saying with honda and ford. e.x- your 4.6ltr putting out 460hp. I am a honda owner, used to be ford. And i like both very much. Had over 160,000 miles on my '91 explorer, and 150,000 on my '92 explorer. And the only thing the i had to fix on either one of them was switching the A/C over. I just hope my accord is the same way. Not trying to flame here, just my two cents.

I wasn't really trying to flame Fords in general. I was showing a different perspective in how their beloved Mustang will be shown...since it is now squarely in Z06 performance territory. One of earliest memories of a vehicle was a Ford truck my parent's business used as one of their company trucks. One of my mom's workers used to take me around in that thing. I loved it. My point with that last one is that I have NEVER really flamed Fords in here, and when I do, it's usually the stupid V6 owners who just do the ricey crap to their cars and drive like they own a Saleen...which EVERYBODY in here does to the ricey Honda drivers in here anyways. Now, about the larger engine thing. GM is working with technically ancient automotive technology with a pushrod engine and everything, yet they have managed to make it have a fairly decent amount of power, while at the same time having good gas mileage...considering the size of their engines...and even LEV status with their newer cars. Did you know the T/A WS-6 has better gas mileage than the '02 Cobra? Yet the the WS-6...stock-to-stock...will ROMP on the much more expensive Cobra in straight-line acceleration...at least in magazine stats(the WS-6 stock has been tested at 13.4...the Cobra at 13.8). Ford could've done the same thing and tried to increase displacement in their vehicles...but then one wonders how much gas that thing'll guzzle. They are so damned CHEAP that instead of developing their engine like GM did(LT-1 to LT-6 to LS-1 to LS-6) they just put a blower in it and called it a day. Roush and Saleen have been doing that since the Mustang came out, so it's nothing new.

Bottomline, these Ford boys just seem to hate. I admire and respect ALL cars...it's usually what the owners do to them and their attitudes that makes me dislike their car...and the Ford boys in here are not making me very fond of Ford. Oh and Hondas MUST'VE done something to these boys for them to hate it so much. As for the hating...they sure picked the right place to do it. I'm trying to be diplomatic...but seriously...there is NO room in here for those who cannot respect the Make the room is supposed to be for. There are a LOT of non-Honda owners in here that can respect ande even admire the little "econo-boxes" Honda makes. If you can't, there IS a FORD forum in AF somewhere. If you persist in being in here just to hate...I WILL do something about it. Most everybody in here usually has something intelligent and helpful to say most of the time, but I DO read all the posts in here, and I've focused on you SVT, because you only seem to cause friction whenever you post in here, whether you're discussing speeding, racing, or a comparison of cars. As for you TerminalVelocity(TV?), you're just hating because you have a Thunderbird...I'd hate the world too, if I was stuck with a T-bird...just kidding. Seriously.

You forgot to paste the link Carrrrnut...:D
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/f737/

That's the Ford forum link....:D

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


with their newer cars. Did you know the T/A WS-6 has better gas mileage than the '02 Cobra? Yet the the WS-6...stock-to-stock...will ROMP on the much more expensive Cobra in straight-line acceleration...at least in magazine stats(the WS-6 stock has been tested at 13.4...the Cobra at 13.8).


Where do you get your facts? make them up? Car and Driver magazine rated the 03 cobra at high 12s. With the ws-6 in mid to low 13s. Some other ford magazines where able to tromp some mid 12s out of a stock cobra. As far as gas miles go, who cares! If I wanted good gas miles I would not by a performance car, I would just pick up a civic for cheap, economy transportation. Besides comparing a ws-6 to a 02 cobra is not a good idea. They never produced a 02 model cobra.


So, once again if you dont like my opinions and ideas, deal with it. Im not going around and kiss honda rear like -self

larger engine's to keep up with ford
GM isn't trying to play catch up with Ford give me a break. Ever heard of that saying "No replacement for displacement"? I don't really care how much power Ford gets out of smaller engines, I'd love to see Corvettes being produced again with 427's(Stingray) rather then 350's.

Maybe they aren't using a 4.6L to produce power, but they are improving their 5.7L 350 motors. Look at the difference in that LS1 (350/350hp) motor and the LS6(350/405hp) the Z06 has. I was just asking about that a week ago. Thats pretty impressive to me that they can change the engine around and make it more powerful using the same size engine. It's bigger, yeah so what? It's faster isn't it? Yes, why complain?

Oh yeah SV5.0 give him a break as well man you know he probably meant '01. I didn't know either that they didn't make a '02 Cobra til you told me.

:quote:

Fact

The S2k is NOWHERE NEAR an F1 car

How high does the Civic rev? wow, its like an f1....because it revs higher than a cobra...or my t-bird.

F1 Cars rev twice as high as S2K's And over and over, everytime I see F1 racing, the Honda car breaks something, the driver and commenters talk about it "They are amazing cars, but they just try to push too much out of them, something has to give when its put under this much stress"


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fact....in wheel double wishbone suspension all the way around.

opinion......lets see the peice of shit ford with that.

fact.....VTEC....No lumpy idling.

opinion....sure beats the hell out of a high lift cam sitting in traffic.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



Where do you get your facts? make them up? Car and Driver magazine rated the 03 cobra at high 12s. With the ws-6 in mid to low 13s. Some other ford magazines where able to tromp some mid 12s out of a stock cobra. As far as gas miles go, who cares! If I wanted good gas miles I would not by a performance car, I would just pick up a civic for cheap, economy transportation. Besides comparing a ws-6 to a 02 cobra is not a good idea. They never produced a 02 model cobra.


So, once again if you dont like my opinions and ideas, deal with it. Im not going around and kiss honda rear like -self


...Ok...You and I should race...Winner stays, losers leaves the board. Well, not really, but still...If liking Honda's and being intelligent enough to realize that this is a HONDA board and that you shouldn't be here if you don't like HONDA's means I'm kissing rear...Ok, then I'll pucker up, who cares:rolleyes: Also, if Carrrrnut REALLY dislikes your opinions and ideas he'll just put his moderator status to real use and BAN you...Keep that in mind...

Carrnutt has no basis to ban me, If he does do so without apropriate cause, I will make it my goal to see him lose his moderatorship.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Carrnutt has no basis to ban me, If he does do so without apropriate cause, I will make it my goal to see him lose his moderatorship.

Actually, in a lot of forums, moderators don't need any basis. No more than the fact you come in and talk down to everyone in the forum, cause arguments/flame wars, hate on the vehicle the forum is set up to discuss(there are other forums where you can talk about Fords, I've posted the link numerous times), and mouth of to the moderator...More than enough basis, and if he were to ban you right now, nearly every single member of the forum will support him. And not just the streetracing forum, but all of the HONDA/ACURA forums on automotiveforums.com...And me included. You've done nothing but cause trouble and waste bandwidth, and I wish he would ban you...Right now...And not give you any reason. Just say you're banned and be done with it. But that's up to him.

Originally posted by Self


Actually, in a lot of forums, moderators don't need any basis. No more than the fact you come in and talk down to everyone in the forum, cause arguments/flame wars, hate on the vehicle the forum is set up to discuss(there are other forums where you can talk about Fords, I've posted the link numerous times), and mouth of to the moderator...More than enough basis, and if he were to ban you right now, nearly every single member of the forum will support him. And not just the streetracing forum, but all of the HONDA/ACURA forums on automotiveforums.com...And me included. You've done nothing but cause trouble and waste bandwidth, and I wish he would ban you...Right now...And not give you any reason. Just say you're banned and be done with it. But that's up to him.


Please list all times I have started flame wars. Can you do that? I doubt it. Your idea of someone flaming is when they dont agree with you. The only people who seem to have a problem with me is you and carnutt. So, I guess learn to live with it. Its kind of sad the way you go around kissing honda rear. real sad.

I don't agree with your negative intentions toward this forum...

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



Please list all times I have started flame wars. Can you do that? I doubt it. Your idea of someone flaming is when they dont agree with you. The only people who seem to have a problem with me is you and carnutt. So, I guess learn to live with it. Its kind of sad the way you go around kissing honda rear. real sad.

Does liking = kissing if I don't own one? I like Honda's...I like Chevy's...I like Ferrari's...Don't own one so I guess I'm kissing their rears, right?

Originally posted by Prelewd
I don't agree with your negative intentions toward this forum...



And what are those " negative intentions"?