domestic spud

no seriously i don't see what all this import shit is about


lets look at it this way

Ford Escort ZX2 vs Honda Civic Si ('02)

ZX2

Curb Weight (lbs.) 2478 (Manual Transmission)
Engine 2.0L DOHC 16V Zetec I-4
Horsepower @ rpm 130 @ 5750
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) 127 @ 4250
Fuel System Sequential Multi-Port Electronic Fuel Injection
Transaxles Standard 5-speed manual transaxle
Optional electronic 4-speed automatic
Front Suspension Independent, with gas-charged hydraulic MacPherson struts and stabilizer bar
Rear Suspension Independent, with gas-charged hydraulic MacPherson struts, multi-link design with stabilizer bar
MSRP $13,330 - $14,830

Civic Si

Curb Weight (lbs.) 2744
Engine 1.7 (1998 cc) DOHC 16V i-VTEC
Horsepower @ rpm 160 @ 6500
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) 132 @ 5000
Fuel System Multi Point Programmed Fuel Injection
Transaxles 5 Speed close ratio
Front Suspension Toe-controll MacPherson strut
Rear Suspension reactive-link doubble wishbone
MSRP $19,460.00

The Zx2 has somewhat less power, but it also weighs several hundred pounds less, both should handle about the same, and both have many mods out there to make them faster. I would go for the focous (sp) over the Escort, but maby thats just me. The Si is also alot more money, and this is the very base model, no bells or thrills. The Zx2 is 14,830 with everything. Infact, the Civic with NOTHING, and I mean not even a tape player with your radio, is -DX Manual Transmission
$12,810.00- I do prefer how the civic looks, and the interior, but thats all I can give it.

They both look like ass, and I personally would never drive either one.

you do realise that ZX2s are slow ass shit

i knew someone that got beat by a hyundai accent 4 door ................IT REALLY IS SHIT THEN

Originally posted by Marc-OS
They both look like ass, and I personally would never drive either one.

agreed

but my god nsx-R-SSJ20k, get a clue

both are slow, and that zx2 you saw lost, PROBALLY HAD A BAD DRIVER that accent makes 105 hp, unless there is something horrably wrong with the zx2 it wont loose.

Those numbers are from ford and honda, so dont try to act like they are false.

I don't particularly care for either one, but since the SI would run circles around the ZX2, I voted for the ZX2.

Ok, I forgot, honda is the almighty car which can never be beaten

That Si has 30 more Hp and 5 more Foot Pounds of torque, and it also weighs 266pounds MORE than the Zx2, so in the end they are almost exactly even aside from looks. The Si -cant- run circles around the Zx2, in the hands of a good or decent driver -should- beat it, but thats about it. Oh, and course the $6149 youll save will get you enough performance to smoke the Si like it wasnt trying.

But I forgot, import is king. :rolleyes:

No offense, but, I wouldn't own a Ford anything, even if it was free.....

Originally posted by G-ealousy
No offense, but, I wouldn't own a Ford anything, even if it was free.....

Oh-oh, them R fighting words.........oh I forgot, that came from an import lover.............

I don't really think that 266 pounds more is going to make up for the power the Civic is producing. Probably the Civic will win. Blah.

Originally posted by G-ealousy
No offense, but, I wouldn't own a Ford anything, even if it was free.....

what a fitting name...however you have some problems, i dont know about you but i would take a brand spanking new GT40 anyday, that thing will kill people all day..

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
you do realise that ZX2s are slow ass shit

i knew someone that got beat by a hyundai accent 4 door ................IT REALLY IS SHIT THEN

you're upset that people bash imports so you post a fair, well-balanced all import poll, and when someone (who appears to favor domestics over imports) legitly wieghed both and formed an opinionated answer, you bash his choice? Is there any pleasing you? from now on this guy is going to run the forums guys, cause if you have an opinion that doesn't match his, it just doesn't go...jesus...

sorry... it's still a Ford.... I wouldn't drive a New volvo, cause it's a ford, I wouldn't get a Jag either, it's a Ford.. I just don't like Ford... Rip on me if you want, but, I stand by my view.....:bandit:

I realy don't care for either one. I had a 97 Honda Civic and I really hated it. I have drivin the ZX2 and its worse then the Civic. So my vote is the ZX2.

Imports, domestics, Chevy, Ford, etc.blah,blah,blah................

Everyone has their opinions...One of my friends from long ago would have heated debates with me on the Ford-Chevy issue. Me a 65 Mustang, him a wanna be Chevy cruiser. We went to look at a 68 390 4-speed fastback for sale. He bitched and complained that it was a Ford until he test drove it, he bought it!

Every car has it's postive side, but give me a sink you ass into the seat V8 torquer everytime! Hearing a blender whinning down the strip just doesn't seem right, but that's just me.

Originally posted by G-ealousy
sorry... it's still a Ford.... I wouldn't drive a New volvo, cause it's a ford, I wouldn't get a Jag either, it's a Ford.. I just don't like Ford... Rip on me if you want, but, I stand by my view.....:bandit:

wow you're telling me an all aluminum 5.4L supercharged V8 DOHC, 4v per cyc, midship engine, gt40 body (awesome looking), 6spd, ceramic cross drilled brakes, fatty tires, IRS, and the whole nostalgic of the legendary gt40 doesn't get your gears going if it has a ford logo on the front? geez...no pleasing some ppl

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Ok, I forgot, honda is the almighty car which can never be beaten

That Si has 30 more Hp and 5 more Foot Pounds of torque, and it also weighs 266pounds MORE than the Zx2, so in the end they are almost exactly even aside from looks. The Si -cant- run circles around the Zx2, in the hands of a good or decent driver -should- beat it, but thats about it. Oh, and course the $6149 youll save will get you enough performance to smoke the Si like it wasnt trying.

But I forgot, import is king. :rolleyes:

yes it can you fucking dipshit none of the domestic spud units which have THE ALMITEY ZETEC can beat the Si civic the only one that comes close is the SVT focus


YOU FUCKING TWAT

and the si is US shit anyway a proper import since they don't sell it ANYWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN THE US would be the TYPE R


and as for ford ford sucks ass 99% of the time the only way they redeem the selves is through SVT and Saleen .........so kiss my ass fuck head

wow you're telling me an all aluminum 5.4L supercharged V8 DOHC, 4v per cyc, midship engine, gt40 body (awesome looking), 6spd, ceramic cross drilled brakes, fatty tires, IRS, and the whole nostalgic of the legendary gt40 doesn't get your gears going if it has a ford logo on the front? geez...no pleasing some ppl
____________

Cool car? Yes, I'm not an idiot. Would I like to drive it if you offered? Yes, I sure would! But, I wouldn't spend the money to buy one. There are WAY to many cars out there for me to be buyin'... I don't disagree that it's a cool car though...

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


yes it can you fucking dipshit none of the domestic spud units which have THE ALMITEY ZETEC can beat the Si civic the only one that comes close is the SVT focus


YOU FUCKING TWAT

and the si is US shit anyway a proper import since they don't sell it ANYWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN THE US would be the TYPE R


and as for ford ford sucks ass 99% of the time the only way they redeem the selves is through SVT and Saleen .........so kiss my ass fuck head

Spoken like a true young punk.....(Not 21 yet huh?).....and I had high hopes for the future, may have to bring out that stupid chip again!

"you fucking twat" That's an interesting one. I am kind of partial to "douchebag" myself.:cool:

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


yes it can you fucking dipshit none of the domestic spud units which have THE ALMITEY ZETEC can beat the Si civic the only one that comes close is the SVT focus


YOU FUCKING TWAT

and the si is US shit anyway a proper import since they don't sell it ANYWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN THE US would be the TYPE R


and as for ford ford sucks ass 99% of the time the only way they redeem the selves is through SVT and Saleen .........so kiss my ass fuck head

*sigh* Lets look at some numbers Buddy.
since you mentioned it the:
Ford Focus SVT
Engine: 1988cc/1.9liters or 2liters if you round up
Horsepower: 170 @7000rpm
Torque: 145 @ 5500rpm
Tires: P215/45R17 Z-Rated High Performance Tires
Weight: 2750lbs
Economy: 21/25
Price: $17,480 <thats with out the 6 disk CD changer, which is optional.

and the Almighty Honda Civic Si
Engine: 1998cc/ 1.9liters or 2liters if you round up
Horsepower: 160 @ 6500
Torque: 135 @ 5000
Tires: P195/60R15 88V, All-Season Tires
Weight: 2744lbs
Economy: 26/30
Price: $19,000 <thats the starting price.

Ummm Ford comes with more standard Options, doesnt do the best at Economy but its still good so who cares? Its cheaper, in my opinion looks better, comes with factory installed Z rated tires. Yeah Ford Sucks.. Yep! Sure does...

Im the biggest Chevy fan there is, but chevy has been stupid lately so Im appreciating Fords efforts in all its departments.

And as for calling my friend a Fucking Twat... Dont you ever call him that again! THATS MY JOB DAMNATION! :hehehe:

thanks redneck, I was too lazy to bring up the focus. And as for you NSX, youve been an uneducated lil waste of space, and a flamer, you tryed making a fight, you lost horrably, now you still go at it with name calling instead of facts.

....right. :bandit:

I am not a fan of Ford. I've known way to many people who've been f'ed over by their poor workmanship. It may not be true anymore, but the crap they put out in the 80s and early 90s sucked more shit then a dung beetle.

With that said, I’d be willing to bet that the Focus would be a faster car. I’m not sure about ride quality but it looks like Ford is at least trying to make a half way decent entry level model.

You know, an amazing thing happened over the last decade in the ironhead circles... Ford guys, Chevy guys, even Chrysler guys all got together, we realized we weren't all that different... But that import guys are. Import guys will argue that they are not rice, and that's all up to your definition of rice I guess, but you guys are weird...

Anyways, my point is, all the serious muscleheads recognize that Ford muscle is muscle just like Chevy muscle is muscle. The only ones still bickering about how bad Ford is, or how slow Chevies are are kids who don't know better.

Originally posted by Cbass
YAnyways, my point is, all the serious muscleheads recognize that Ford muscle is muscle just like Chevy muscle is muscle. The only ones still bickering about how bad Ford is, or how slow Chevies are are kids who don't know better.

No, the ones who are bickering about how bad Ford is are also people who've owned them in the past and spent a fortune just keeping the POS running.

I had to vote for the Escort ZX2. It is uglier, slower, and a piece of shit compared to the Civic Si. I can't stand Ford; they make some of the worst cars. The only cars from Ford that I like are the worked over Shelby cars.

As for proof on Ford's being piles of shit here are a few examples.

Ford and Firestones cover up of tread separation in the 1970s. They do it all over again recently and point fingers at whose fault it is when it was both of them. Now Explorers are being recalled again for tread separation with their new tires.

Some Ford vehicles in the 80s had problems with the cruise control activating once the car was put into gear on automatic vehicles causing the car to accelerate out of control. Many people were rundown and killed because of this.

The Pinto was recalled for exploding from being rear ended and they are now having this very same problem with Crown Vics and Mustangs of all flavors. The police are no longer buying from Ford and I now see a lot of Ram, Malibu, and Intrepid police cars now. Fords answer, a piece of plastic to keep them from exploding. Will it work, who knows? Also quite a few police officers burnt to death in their cars because of this issue.

Why buy a car from a company such as this? Besides the new Ford guy pisses me off, he obviously doesn't know jack shit about cars. He is an ignorant ass, and looks like a dumbshit besides.

I can somewhat testify to this. My mom's '91 explorer died after 84,000 miles, and her '98 ford ranger xlt with the off-road package needed the entire rear-end replaced after 25,000 miles. I've driven the living crap out of my car and it almost has 25k miles on it, and the only problem I've had so far is fuel pick-up, but that's just because I was buying gas from a shitty place. Once I changed stations, the problem was gone.

Fords done alot, I think they have made some serous mistakes. Out here the sherifs only buy from ford to let you know, same with LBPD. My t-bird has had 52K miles of pure hard driving, and only twice did I need repairs. a 35 cent rubber washer, and a $50 part, thats it. But i'll be one of the first to step up and say "ford need to relearn how to build a car" They come out with many good vehicles, many soild cars, but how they put them together is really hard to work on in comparison to other makers.

According to Car Math (http://www.prestage.com/carmath/calc_HP_fromETandWeight.asp)

Zx2 15.54 Quarter

Si 15.01 Quarter

Only difference is, the Si dosent have torque to match its HP which is what this program assumes, now, if you level it out to 145hp for the Si 15.51 that sounds a lil better. Well now, lets look at the cars which are same price grade and car type

Focus SVT -14.72

Civic Si- 15.01

Now the SVT is still several grand cheeper.

You can argue that the Zx2 is the debate, but lets make one

2002 Cobra
2002 Civic Si

Who do you think will win that one? Oh wait, NSX will still say Si because honda is better than ford...I see.

Numbers speek for themselves people, the Zx2, which is several classes lower than the Si, still is a match, the SVT Focous which is the same class, wins the debate, and is still cheeper. :bandit:

oh and it comes standard with:
variable speed windsheild wipers
a shift nob
funtioning air bags
paint
seat belts
real glass windows
a roof


what does honda give you? (in same order as ford mind you)
a squeege
a metal stick
a stolen airliner pillow bunjee cord'd on
primer
more bunjee cords
plexy glass
optional roof


I say this all in fun, both are good cars, just one has nicer numbers. Its all what you prefer.

And isnt that what its all really about? What YOU PREFER?

and to be honest, when it comes to cars pricing today, it makes no difference on what the price really is, you have to finance it any ways so you pay a monthly bill towards the car and the montly payments would most likely be within a few dollars of each other. So it doesnt matter, thats where the Preference comes in. So what if the other car costs 1500 more, big deal you bought what you wanted not what some consumer report said or even better what some freckled faced punk kid with green hair said over the internet.

*starts singing* "why can't we be friends? why can't we be friends?........."

i mean yeah i don't like the kind of stuff that ford has out right now, and i'm not really into domestics, but i don't like that many hondas that much, just because too many people have them, and i'd rather go for Nissan, but that's my opinion...i know that ford has come up with some good shit before, but for some reason i just can't get into the styles that some of these american cars have....muscle is good, but i'm more towards imports..haven't figured out why yet....it's always been like that...i mean i've seen both cars do great things with aftermarket parts and whatnot, but nobody hooks up ZX2's in Randolph, they mostly use them for commuter cars...the civic is mostly driven by younger people, and they have all of the ricey things done to them.....fart pipes....the carbon fiber shift knob on an automatic transmission....sometimes they have rims, but most are still with the stock wheels with the hubcaps...both cars are ok..but if i had a choice i'd still go with the civic..

hahahahahaha, were voting wrong!

I just noticed were voting for which car we want

but it says which car is worse?

hmmm....I think I need to read more :p

Good ole negative logic

The ZX2 is very slow. Its an econo car, like the base civic coupe. The civic has 20% more horsepower and only 10% more weight. Plus, ford tends to overestimate their horsepower, while the new SI dynoes at a respectable 160hp at the wheel (motor companies post flywheel horsepower, not actually wheel/ground horsepower).

BTW, saying you wouldnt buy a ford just because its a ford is just plain dumb. THere is no way you could justify a statement like that. I wont try to change your mind, so you can be that way all you like.

Blah, blah, blah............and it goes on and on..........Ford this, Ford that.

How about Chevy Blazers with the exploding saddle gas tanks, 12 bolt rear ends that lose axles, Chevy cars with Ford 9 inch rear ends adapted to the Chevy frame, the Citation, the Vega (stock, V8 conversions are cool), Mustang II rack and pinion conversions on bowties, so what else is new...and don't get me started on rice transmissions made out of aluminum cans!

my blazer hasnt blowup yet.. Good Blazer GOOD BLAZER!


and my nova doesnt have anything ford in it... no hybrids here!

lol it is nice and dandy to say how many chevy's might have a ford rear, however how many old fords do you think have a 350 chevy in it?

Ford makes some great trucks (excluding ford exploder), but their cars suck. I would never buy one.

Originally posted by R1-rider
Ford makes some great trucks (excluding ford exploder)
hahaha, was that an intentional type-o? I've never heard that one before....

Originally posted by street_racer_00

hahaha, was that an intentional type-o? I've never heard that one before....

Nope lol, I worked for my uncle's auto damage appraisal business for a long time, you get to pick up on alot of slang terms (mostly against ford).

I'm assuming that is because of the whole tire blow-out fiasco, right?

nope, early exploders had a problem with the 4x4. The gears would lock up in the transfer case and the car would basically rip apart. It would 'splode and crash, or hit the tank, or fule lines. Ive seen one tosty from it, not a pretty sight.

Chevy Lumina, this is all I need to say against chevy, I need say no more. :D

saying you wouldn't buy a ford just because its a ford is just plain dumb. There is no way you could justify a statement like that. I wont try to change your mind, so you can be that way all you like.

Actually, I don't think it's that "dumb". I wouldn't own a Geo, just because it's a Geo, even if they had made a really fast Geo. With a V8 even, I STILL wouldn't buy a Geo. Would you?.... Same for Ford. I think they make crap. I've both driven, and gone for rides in, many Fords. They're cheap... To me, they feel cheap, drive cheap, and look cheap, cause they are cheap. And mind you, I'm not talking about an Eddie Bauer Expedition. Those are all right with me.. I'm talkin about the little cars. Like a focus, or a escort, or the ZX2.. .. Like I've said before, just my opinion...

:smoker:

So why wouldn't you buy a Geo? Are you so much better than everyone else that your image would be tainted? Not everyone can afford and wants an Infinity, so because you can you'll be a snob and complain about everyone else's car?

I've owned Fords, Chevys, Pontiacs, VWs, Mazdas, Mopars, Nissans and even Hyundais. They were all various styles, from all out drag racing cars, sports models and even econo-boxes. They all served their purposes at the time, so until you have many more years under your belt, I'd suggest you follow a wise saying, "Sometimes it better to keep ones mouth shut, than to open it and remove all doubts".

spoken like a true gearhead:bandit:

The only Ford's I conciously avoid are the one's that have been tainted by the foul hand of Bill Ford who canceled the lovely F-Type. GOD I HATE HIM FOR THAT!!!!!!!! Bill Ford, the jackass who dropkicked Jac Nasser out of the position of rebuilding Ford because Willy couldn't go to the Firestone family reunion. Bill Ford, the man who lost Wolfgang Reitzle, the genius who put Ian McCallum as head of styling at Aston Martin and Jaguar. (You know that sexy Vanquish, or the XK8/R, or the DB7, that's McCallum at work). Reitzle turned the Premier Auto Group into something respectable and profitable and was gunning for Porsche's pie with the all new F-type, a sexy roadster styled in the vein of Jaguar racers of yore, right down to the wrap-around windshield that flowed into the sculptured headrests, powered by the supercharged AJ-V8, which produces 340hp and linked to a Gertrag Six-Speed tranny. This little sweetheart of a car would have only weighed around 2700lbs, thanks to extensive use of aluminum and carbon fiber. The kicker? It would have cost $5000 LESS THEN THE BOXSTER S!!!!!! They had a pre-registration list (gives you chance to get on a waiting list to purchase the car if it goes into production) that would've had them back logged for 4 years. Bill Ford canceled the car because he thought it wouldn't be a profitable venture, unlike the Aviator. Lincoln's version of the Explorer.

GOD I HATE THAT MAN!!!! HATE HATE HATE HATE JUDITH SHIENDLEN HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So why wouldn't you buy a Geo? Are you so much better than everyone else that your image would be tainted? Not everyone can afford and wants an Infinity, so because you can you'll be a snob and complain about everyone else's car?
"Sometimes it better to keep ones mouth shut, than to open it and remove all doubts".



HA HA! You crack me up.. now you on to insulting me by calling me a SNOB?! You really can't come up with anything in you defense besides calling me a snob? HA HA! First of all... you don't know me, so, don't try and put me in one of your categories. I've worked very, very hard for everything I have. I wasn't handed anything. 2nd, get to know your cars, cause, I'm not driving a Q45 here buddy, it's a meager G20, a four cylinder car, (which, I don't know if you realized, that's what were talking about here, is 4 cylinder cars) so I'm not big bankin. 3rd, the question of the day, is which would you rather have... and I am just saying, I wouldn't take a Ford. You obviously love Ford or something.... But don't insult me by thinking you know enough about me to call me a snob... OH GREAT AND WISE CAR OWNER OF MANY COMPANY, THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME THE LIGHT! HA HA! You did of course read what this post was about right? Ford vs... Honda, in case you didn't read that... and I was simply saying, I'd choose a Honda... But, thanks for playing!!!! Maybe it's time for you to take your own advise? "Sometimes it better to keep ones mouth shut, than to open it and remove all doubts".

Not everyone can afford and wants an Infinity

p.s. Infinity makes speakers, Infiniti makes cars.... carnut.....:bloated:

Originally posted by G-ealousy


Actually, I don't think it's that "dumb". I wouldn't own a Geo, just because it's a Geo, even if they had made a really fast Geo. With a V8 even, I STILL wouldn't buy a Geo. Would you?.... Same for Ford. I think they make crap. I've both driven, and gone for rides in, many Fords. They're cheap... To me, they feel cheap, drive cheap, and look cheap, cause they are cheap. And mind you, I'm not talking about an Eddie Bauer Expedition. Those are all right with me.. I'm talkin about the little cars. Like a focus, or a escort, or the ZX2.. .. Like I've said before, just my opinion...

:smoker:

it's impossible for a reasonably priced sports car to exist in a company without cheaper counterparts. Look at ferrari. They (used!) to be the all std transmission, all super cars, to keep their name sake. The way it worked is in the half of mil people drop for a car that doesn't cost nearly that much to manufactre (barring hand made things). But they even fell and built an automatic model of a family type car. Porsche cracked much earlier and offer automatics almost standard and of coarse the new SUV (boo!). Both companies started with only the intentions of building a TRUE sports car which included a non-tarnished namesake, but even they cant survive on just sports cars. Lamborghini appears to be the exception but then again they were recently bought out i think.

So no matter what you buy chances are it builds a lesser model as well, it's the rules of the game. When did buying and driving cars become namesake and not smashing the accelerator and tearing up the corners??

Originally posted by Octagon
The only Ford's I conciously avoid are the one's that have been tainted by the foul hand of Bill Ford who canceled the lovely F-Type. GOD I HATE HIM FOR THAT!!!!!!!! Bill Ford, the jackass who dropkicked Jac Nasser out of the position of rebuilding Ford because Willy couldn't go to the Firestone family reunion. Bill Ford, the man who lost Wolfgang Reitzle, the genius who put Ian McCallum as head of styling at Aston Martin and Jaguar. (You know that sexy Vanquish, or the XK8/R, or the DB7, that's McCallum at work). Reitzle turned the Premier Auto Group into something respectable and profitable and was gunning for Porsche's pie with the all new F-type, a sexy roadster styled in the vein of Jaguar racers of yore, right down to the wrap-around windshield that flowed into the sculptured headrests, powered by the supercharged AJ-V8, which produces 340hp and linked to a Gertrag Six-Speed tranny. This little sweetheart of a car would have only weighed around 2700lbs, thanks to extensive use of aluminum and carbon fiber. The kicker? It would have cost $5000 LESS THEN THE BOXSTER S!!!!!! They had a pre-registration list (gives you chance to get on a waiting list to purchase the car if it goes into production) that would've had them back logged for 4 years. Bill Ford canceled the car because he thought it wouldn't be a profitable venture, unlike the Aviator. Lincoln's version of the Explorer.

GOD I HATE THAT MAN!!!! HATE HATE HATE HATE JUDITH SHIENDLEN HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is so good to know that I am not the only one that can't stand that idiot. I had no idea about this, and it makes me hate him even more.

Originally posted by G-ealousy


p.s. Infinity makes speakers, Infiniti makes cars.... carnut.....:bloated:

Thank you for the spelling lesson...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by carnut
"Sometimes it better to keep ones mouth shut, than to open it and remove all doubts".

Actually, the original quote was "It is better to be thought a fool and say nothing, than to speak and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain. There is actually a lot of debate about the exact word, but Mark's a close personal friend, so I got it straight from the horses mouth :D

I agree with enthusiasm carnut, don't go bashing an entire make because of your limited experience with their economy cars. Ford suffered poor performance and build quality through the early 80's to mid 90s, but they pulled out of it, and even offered some spectacular cars(LTD, Thunderbirds, Mustang Cobra, SVO Mustang, and let's not forget the X4Rti).

Octagon, it's reassuring to hear another informed person ranting about with hatred about Bill Ford! Man, I really hate that guy.

don't go bashing an entire make because of your limited experience with their economy cars.

Again, this opinion of mine is based on what the thread itself is about. As far as a "Escort" or a "Civic" I would take a Civic any day. Seems like everyone is trying to take this out of context. I understand that Ford has made some splendid race cars, that's true. Would I take a "02 Mustang SVT over a Civic? Of course I would. I'm not an idiot. I am just saying, I wouldn't buy and Escort over a Civic. My opinion. Ford can make a decent car if they wanted too, but as far as service records, reliability, etc.. Honda is going to beat Ford every day of the week...

Id take an escort over a civic....if it had the letters RS glued to the back :D

Id take an escort over a civic....if it had the letters RS glued to the back

Oohh. well, maybe then... ha ha! Yeah right....
:rolleyes:

P.s. Fliquer ... That pictures dope!!! (of the cars driftin...):sun:

I'd go for the ZX2, more displacement, probably more potential (I don't know about the design of these engines and their limits), lighter, more torque, smaller hp, but probably easier to get it above the civic than for the civic to gain as much hp as that, and I think the brand new Civics are ugly as hell, but the ZX2 isn't exactly pretty either.

I like Ford and Honda, but I'd just rather take the Ford on this one, it costs plently less which means you would have instant money for mod as well that would even up the power and gain even more torque.

As for Fords, we own a fleet of about 7 Ford work trucks, never have any problems and they're beat on and most of them fairly old. Everything from Rangers to a really old dumptruck we had. We also have a '95 Ford Windstar with the 3.8L V6 that hsnt had many problems of it's 5 years of abuse. The head gasket blew once, but was covered with a lifetime warranty and the entire engine was replaced for free.

I also like Hondas though, they are reliable, economical, and have some attractive cars.stock performance is also getting better and better, although not exactly mind blowing or anything. In reality I wouldn't buy either of these cars though, I'd rather buy and build up a 240SX or an 2nd Gen RX-7 with that money and have something better than either of them. Or a good solid musclecar.

Meh, it doesn't really matter. If you love a car, it's what you should get. If you don't love your car then there's not much reason to have it, even if it has some great aspects or is more popular.

ok, id vote the focus. Skin it out, cage it up, make it into a rally car Colin McRae style. Oh, and the Civic is ugly and VTEC is overrated (muahaha)

And people who are complaining about Ford reliability, its all in the car. You cant kill my 96 XR7 no matter how hard you try and TRUST ME i DO NOT baby that car. On the other hand i had a starter Chevrolet Cavalier, held together like ass.

Anyway this is dumb, the dude who posted the original numbers (an MN12 driver no doubt :) ) was right.

how'd ya know :D

Lets do real mach up i was thinking of geting a mustang GT or the new Mach 1 mustang which will have have over 300hp and a 4valve 4.6 v8
you can also get the mustang GT or M1 with 390hp

so the mach up is

Mustang or New Sti impreza when it cames out (Sti = 275hp)

Originally posted by G-ealousy


Oohh. well, maybe then... ha ha! Yeah right....
:rolleyes:

ESCORT RS COSWORTH ......... know what that is ?

RS turbo's suck cock turbo'd 4 cylinder with only 140hp waste of time

ESCORT RS COSWORTH ......... know what that is ?

RS turbo's suck cock turbo'd 4 cylinder with only 140hp waste of time

I do happen to know what the RS is, I was being sarcastic... I said it before, I wouldn't own one... :silly2: