95 Camaro vs. 97 Mustang

I've got a 95 Camaro with a 3.4 in it...it's an automatic, a shame, but it is :(, anyway, my buddy has a 97 Mustang with a 3.8-standard...both basically all stock, except for the flowmaster I've got on mine...anyway, in a heads up race, does the .4 more liters really have that much pull? I haven't raced him yet, but if I do, I'd like to know what to expect :)

um dont know who would win but uh....pretty much all v-6 stangs suck dook bootie when it comes to any kinda of power output. The v-8's are at least ok.

maybe that helps??

Eh, it will be close. The 3.8 stangs do not put out any respectable power, but either do the 3.4's. It will be very close.

Could go either way since power wise you guys are right around each other.

To try and make the race go more in your favor, try to lighten the car up a bit by taking out the rear seats and your tire/jack.. remember, any weight you take off of your car is helpful!

If your good enough you could easly beat him and a GT if you wanted to.
Been there done that.

If your good enough you could easly beat him and a GT if you wanted to.
Been there done that.

:eek: are you kidding...o, excuse me... drinking?

you would have to take out the back rest part of the back seats for it to do something if anything. Id just race him and see what happens if you really want to know.

If your good enough you could easly beat him and a GT if you wanted to.
Been there done that.
lol I doubt a 3.4 can take a GT

lol I doubt a 3.4 can take a GTI have.
No kidding or anything.
Not the newer or the 99-04 ones. But the older 94-98 GTs.

Kept up with them and beaten a few. It's only when we get to high speeds do they win. Anything over 110 and my engine stops.

I'm with everyone else here on that the 3.4 couldnt beat a GT man. Seeing as in how I've raced 2 GT's in my 3.4 at the track and got my ass handed to me both times.

As for a 3.4 vs a 3.8 mustang.... very close race. The 3.8 in the mustangs makes about 150 hp, while the 3.4 makes around 160. I know I've raced one of the newer mustangs with the 3.8 hung with him off the line, but he started pulling ahead of me around 50 mph. That was with just a cheesy ebay intake on, I'm sure I could beat one now with the new intake and exhaust I've got. So yeah, you might have a chance of beating him if he's all stock. Otheriwise I see it as whoever's the better driver wins.

I am sorry but unless you raced a severly hurting 4.6 or 5.0 there is no way, just look at it from a numbers perspective. I fully support your chances against a 3.8 stang like was mentioned but lets be real for a minute. I just read what blind said as well as have heard countless mustang vs me storys from Kaotik. The is no way a healthy GT Mustang couldn't walk you Ftheman.

I know it's hard to believe. Hell I was even shocked when it happened. But I have done it.
My car is werid like that. It gets this werid boost like feeling in the higher rpms after the second gear.

I know it's hard to believe. Hell I was even shocked when it happened. But I have done it.
My car is werid like that. It gets this werid boost like feeling in the higher rpms after the second gear.

We all like to think our 'car is weirdly fast'. But most of the time, it's not true. It's all in the head.

We all like to think our 'car is weirdly fast'. But most of the time, it's not true. It's all in the head.Fuck, your car is fast.

I love my 3.4, but I agree...it wouldn't take a healthy GT without some mods...but in a sense, I can see what FTheMan means when he says he gets a bit of a "boost"(don't we all), I've had mine between 110-115 before, it was sitting around 4800RPMS, so it still had 700 more to go before computer would've made it shift into overdrive, but I don't think it had much more pull to it.

that "boost" is probly the power ban.

i've always been curious as to what rpms the 3.4 is strongest. someone tell me

My 3.4 sucked at life. It was at its strongest when it was parked.

for hp or torque?

My 3.4 sucked at life. It was at its strongest when it was parked.
Wow, thats harsh man. They have alot of possiblitys when you start boosting so they are not all bad.. Very strong internals and like all engines they have there potential.

both if you know the numbers... i never knew they put 3.4s in camaro's

Wow, thats harsh man. They have alot of possiblitys when you start boosting so they are not all bad.. Very strong internals and like all engines they have there potential.
My 3.4 had serious issues, it was emo or something. I've never drove another 3.4 car, but I know they have to be better than what mine was.

whaaaaa??? 3.4s boostable? sexy...yea.. i've had two 3.4s. the fuel pump has failed on both. i'm working on this second fuel pump.

My 3.4 had serious issues, it was emo or something. I've never drove another 3.4 car, but I know they have to be better than what mine was.
Oh, I for some reason thought you meant all 3.4's in general. See folks this is why you should smoke your crack after your done posting for the day :banghead: . Oh well , lesson learned :icon16:

whaaaaa??? 3.4s boostable? sexy...yea.. i've had two 3.4s. the fuel pump has failed on both. i'm working on this second fuel pump.Hell, the 3.1 Grand Prix which is basically the same engine was quite the performance car for its time with the turbo.

See folks this is why you should smoke your crack after your done posting for the day :banghead: . Oh well , lesson learned :icon16:

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Funny people should only be funny to people without a ban button :grinyes: , got it funny man :lol:

Okay I'm going to do for you what you had to do for me the other day!

My 3.4 (not yours or anyone elses 3.4l engine) sucked at life.(was a piece of shit) It (my 3.4l engine) was (at one point in its life) at its strongest (was least sucky) when it was parked.(not moving)

How's that? :screwy:

goood....there are an abundance of turbos floating around my college town... so...i can pick em up of of grand prixes and those 3.1 TT/As? how much do psi ya think is safe?

i've always been curious as to what rpms the 3.4 is strongest. someone tell me
the rating are 160 hp at 4,600 rpm and 200 ft. lbs torque at 3600 rpm.

goood....there are an abundance of turbos floating around my college town... so...i can pick em up of of grand prixes and those 3.1 TT/As? how much do psi ya think is safe?
You need a couple things besides just the turbo but I would say you can safely run 9 PSI with high octane 93 fuel and ofcouse a tune to go along with it. That will make for a nice little bump in performance.

Okay I'm going to do for you what you had to do for me the other day!



How's that? :screwy:
come on now, my explanation follow up was much better than yours :rofl:

would you say low or flat 14s kind of bump in performance? and i also have no idea where to put an intercooler on an f-body

Sorry, I fail at being cool like MY 3.4 failed at being a good engine.

would you say low or flat 14s kind of bump in performance? and i also have no idea where to put an intercooler on an f-bodyWell if your going to intercool. I would say you can go a little higher as most turbo's/supercharger don't really have the need for a intercooler til around 10 + PSI but I would think if you step up the boost a little and intercool. I could see a mid to low 14's in there.

the rating are 160 hp at 4,600 rpm and 200 ft. lbs torque at 3600 rpm.

really? its that high up there? i've always been scared to push any car past 4,000 rpms. ever since i drove my 2.whateverL Dodge Intrepid and threw a rod doin 3500 rpms

thats a dodge,lol.

4,600rpm is not that high, when you get on it, it don;t shift till around like 6 or so.

Well if your going to intercool. I would say you can go a little higher as most turbo's/supercharger don't really have the need for a intercooler til around 10 + PSI but I would think if you step up the boost a little and intercool. I could see a mid to low 14's in there.

hey hey... do not get my hopes up like that...that is not cool.

Do they actually make a kit to super/turbo charger the 3.4l? Because I've yet to find one.

Do they actually make a kit to super/turbo charger the 3.4l? Because I've yet to find one.

Yes they do. Here's one of the more popular sites:
http://www.force-fed-fabrications.com/index2.htm

But even if you do turbo a 3.4, you're still not going to see the results that you would like to see. Why? Because those paperweights that GM likes to refer to being an intake and cylinder heads. They're mainly what kill the 3.4. But there is a solution that I've only heard of a few people actually doing. You find a 99+ Grand Am GT with the FWD 3400, and you swap the heads, and the upper and lower intake manifold. But, by swapping the heads, you'll wind up increasing your compression dramatically, so you'll need the pistons out of the Grand Am engine too so you can still run on pump gas.

Here's a page of a guy who did the swap:
http://camaro.adwire.com/modpics/

That guy, after doing the swap, is now pushing 216 HP and 250 TQ to the flywheel. Not bad from the original 160 HP and 200 TQ.

So lets do the math, by swapping the newer set of aluminum heads, upper and lower intake manifolds, and the pistons from a Grand Am GT (1999+ years) with the FWD 3400, you can possibly gain 50+ Hp and 50+ TQ. Now if that doesn't show ya that the 3.4 is being restricted like crazy, then I don't know what will.

Hmm, interesting.

hey i think a 3.4 can take a mustang GT..seriously,if its just freeway cruising and the stang is a stick and he doenst know how to drive it.. the A4 3.4 will shift perfectly for a while... then the 3.4 just presses his brakes to show he won..before the GT can catch up. ;D

Sorry, I fail at being cool like MY 3.4 failed at being a good engine.

You're just pissed because you seriously thought that Turbonator was the real deal. :disappoin

You're just pissed because you seriously thought that Turbonator was the real deal. :disappoin
WTF!? Someone tell me he's lying! That is the real deal, man I got like a gillion horsepower from that thing!

It's worthless without the flux capacitor, sorry, but it's ture.

It's worthless without the flux capacitor, sorry, but it's ture.
BLASPHEMY! :mad: Hmmm....a flux capacitor you say?

make shure you have 1.21 jigawats. if not, you will fry the flux capacitor.

For 60* heads GM makes a canted valve head that is supposedly amazing... in fact, I hear GMPP has a whole slew of stuff for the 60* engines.

Back on topic though, it'll be a driver's race I think... and as for the GTs, I can take the mid-90s ones easily, and probably some others too ;)

Is that thing running right yet? I remember you had a transmission problem or something.

GMPP?

OK I've been informed the canted valve head is the same as the FWD 3400 motor... GMPP = GM performance parts

my car runs fine... lots of problems but none too serious (well the tranny is slowly dying but ive got another one in the garage), more just annoying little rattles and noises

you will not beat the stang, nor will you beat a gt, I dont like ford, but thats the way it is, If anyone beat a 5.0 with a six cylinder chev, it is a new record, I ve owned both, and there is no way that is ever gonna happen, unless the stang has a blown engine and to tires

plus the flux capac. cant hold enough compost

That's a very bold statement, but it is incorrect.

That's a very bold statement, but it is incorrect.
ya i agree. and he said any chevy v6 will not beat a gt mustang? um i know for a fact that my friends s-10 extream 4.3 vortec v6 will beat a stock gt mustang. i saw him beat it.

i go camaro mustangs ugly

right..so no cobalt ss winning....no monte carlo ss winning...hmmm ok

right..so no cobalt ss winning....no monte carlo ss winning...hmmm ok

:lol: Yeah.. especially those new ones.. no way they'd be able to beat a GT.. :shakehead

Anyway, KC's maro would be able to take those early 4th gen GT Mustangs and itd be a driver's race vs a newer 4th gen GT..

you will not beat the stang, nor will you beat a gt, I dont like ford, but thats the way it is, If anyone beat a 5.0 with a six cylinder chev, it is a new record, I ve owned both, and there is no way that is ever gonna happen, unless the stang has a blown engine and to tires

plus the flux capac. cant hold enough compost


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you will not beat the stang, nor will you beat a gt, I dont like ford, but thats the way it is, If anyone beat a 5.0 with a six cylinder chev, it is a new record, I ve owned both, and there is no way that is ever gonna happen, unless the stang has a blown engine and to tires

plus the flux capac. cant hold enough compost
Well consider I bought a stock 93 5.0 mustang and had been racing for a while prior. So driving wasn't a thing and before I started with the mods I raced a 3.8 Camaro and it was damn near dead lock til 70MPH or so. So I am sorry to say your very much mistaken. However I in all honesty must point out that the 5.0 IMO has way more potential for ripping up a 1/4 than a 3.8 camaro.