cobalt SS sc or srt-4???

I was looking into buying one of the two. just wanted to get some opinons from all you guys on what you think. now I know that the srt-4 is def quicker then the SS but thats why i like the SS becuase its the underdog. so just wanted to see what you guys think. thanks..

Just get the 2.4 ss and boost it.

meh... You could do better.

VW GTI if you want to stay in that price range. Just as big of a market as the SRT-4. But honestly built better than SRT-4. Not saying you could afford the new MKV one, but an 03-05 are nice.

meh... You could do better.

VW GTI if you want to stay in that price range. Just as big of a market as the SRT-4. But honestly built better than SRT-4. Not saying you could afford the new MKV one, but an 03-05 are nice.so you are saying I should take a look at the 03-05 VW GTI's??? havent really looked in those. they are boosted arent they?

alright well I was looking at the 03-05 GTI and I am also starting to like that too.. haha I now am deciding between to the mentioned already and now the GTI VR6

str 4 is a all around nice car and i love how it looks with the stock hood scope, its so perrrrrdy.
also it sounds so nice..lol the BOV stock sounds pretty nice and i bet the aftermarket 1's sound even sexier...lol

Its still a neon.

mmmk...its still a neon...wit 200+ WHP

http://carad.ebayimg.com/i14/04/a/07/a4/1a/40_4.JPG

lol..dude....tell me you wouldnt want this for 15K?


I could have had one when I was looking for a car a few months ago. I looked at the SRTs and some other cars, in the end, the Cobalt SS/SC had the better looks and most included options. The SRT looks too much like a Neon still and I had a Neon that was a piece of junk, needed a quart of oil everyday.

I could have had one when I was looking for a car a few months ago. I looked at the SRTs and some other cars, in the end, the Cobalt SS/SC had the better looks and most included options. The SRT looks too much like a Neon still and I had a Neon that was a piece of junk, needed a quart of oil everyday.


no it needed to be repaired and you need to be slapped.


i don't mean to sound like i like neons..

I say either the SRT-4, or the GTI. Personally, i love the new MKV, but its a little pricey.

srt-4s are bitch cars

srt-4s are bitch carsbitch cars that STOMP!! lol and yeah they sound amazing with an aftermarket BOV. if i can find this one video of one that i saw i will post it.

srt-4s are bitch cars
srt-4s are bitch(in) cars

heres is a couple with nice BOV'S
http://videos.streetfire.net/category/Dodge/5/341BD7AD-6B1E-48D9-8C7D-2096AA9EF650.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/srt-4/3/E7F5D3DE-847E-42B1-9161-5B0CA7FE455C.htm

^ that is most deffinatly bitchin!

I could never drive a car that every female I know thinks they are just the cutest thing ever. Its just bad and wrong.

see i love the sound of a BOV so thats why i think im leaning more towards the srt-4 or the GTI. well by me girls dont look at the srt-4 as a cute car. i have only seen one girl around me driving an srt-4.

I never got around to test driving one of the older GTI's, but the new MKV OMG... it scared the shit out of me. They have hydrolic clutchs on the 6 speed, and it feel like your pressing on warm butter. Its something you'd have to get used to for sure. Also their blow off valve is directed back into the intake so there really isn't any obnoxious noises, but at 3-7K rpms all you hear is the turbo itself screaming. The only thing i myself had against the new GTI was for being "pre tuned" it could for appearance purposes be dropped another 1.5" all around, and larger brakes. I test drove one in Augusta GA and the salesman told me to get r up there and so i had the car up to 115 in no time flat... while slowing down the brakes had a nice shimmy to them. To the point of making me nervous. The price tag was $26,400

I also test drove an SRT-4, and comparing them to the vee dub, I didn't like the firm clutch, had a tad bit of turbo lag, too much wheel hop when my g/f at the time left some tread with it and i could feel the tires skipping from the back seat, no power rear windows, ugly rims, also sits too high & suspension wise wasn't that great IMO, and the fact it still was a neon with a lousy transmission.

How ever what i did like was when the boost did kick in you could most def feel it, I was able to hit 90 mph in 3rd gear, comfy recaro seats. The price of the SRT-4 was $24,900

All in all, for basically 2K more, I feel you get alot more with the GTI than the SRT-4. Besides German engineering is basically the shit and the one i test drove was a gorgous white and the SRT-4 was white aswell but the dealership put the gay blue racing strips down the back of the car and made it looks ugly. lol...

thats my overall opinion.

^ after reading this, go w/ the GTI!

im going to have to take each of those for a test drive now.

^ lol, yep. tell us the pros and cons of each after you do.

I'd personally take the srt-4. Take the wing off and badges, possibly the hood?, i know i wouldnt lol and you've got a nice sleeper neon.

What about the Saturn Ion Redline or the Scion Tc with the supercharger? I don't know much about em so im just throwing them out there.

^ OK cars, but I dont care for the styling of the redline.

^ after reading this, go w/ the GTI!

dude? how are you gonna base spending 20K on a car because of someones opinion (no effence cody) lol

dont base your decision on opinions of ppl (including mine!) get out there and test drive them!!

i just found out from my uncle that i can get a 2003 SRT-4 for 12,000 wit 25000 miles on it...lol :2cents: :2cents:

then get the borla exhaust setup which is a pretty penny and they sound GREAT

What about the Saturn Ion Redline or the Scion Tc with the supercharger? I don't know much about em so im just throwing them out there.yeah im not a big fan of saturn cars. so i wouldnt want one of them. i did look at the scion but dont really like the style of it. so i am going to keep it between the srt-4 and the GTI. yeah i know you shouldnt base your choice on other peoples opinons, i just want to know what everyone else is thinking. of cours im going to go and test drive them a couple times before i make a final choice.

dude? how are you gonna base spending 20K on a car because of someones opinion (no effence cody) lol

dont base your decision on opinions of ppl (including mine!) get out there and test drive them!!

i just found out from my uncle that i can get a 2004 STR-4 for 12,000 wit 25000 miles on it...lol :2cents: :2cents:
I'm sorry, what i meant was get out and test drive the GTI. That thing looks better than all the cars mentioned so far in my opinion.

heres a comparison between the srt-4 and GTI MKV




srt-4: EngineDOHC 2.4-Liter, I4, 16-Valve, DOHC, SEFI High Output Front/Transverse Mounted With Horsepower Of 230@5300 and Torque Of 250@2200; Aluminum Alloy Block and Aluminum Alloy HeadsCompression Ratio8.10Horsepower@RPM230 hp @5300rpmTorque Lbs. Per Ft250@ 2200Cylinder ConfigurationIn-lineValves per cylinder4Bore3.44Stroke3.98Engine Block MaterialAlloyBlock Head MaterialAlloyFuel Capacity12.50 gallonsFuel TypeUnleadedFuel Delivery NameSEFI



GTI MKV: STANDARD POWERTRAIN:
2.0-liter FSI turbo-charged I4 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2224713)
Bore: 3.20 in / 82.5 mm
Stroke: 3.70 in / 92.8 mm
Displacement: 121.0 in(cubed) / 1,984 cm(cubed)
Compression Ratio: 10.3:1
Horsepower (SAE) @ rpm: 200 @ 5,100-6,000 (147 kW @ 5,100-6,000)
Maximum torque lbs - ft @ rpm: 207 @ 1,800-5,000 (280 Nm @ 1,800-5,000)
Fuel Requirment: Premium unleaded (95 RON) recommended for maximum performance, (unleaded regular (91RON) as an alternative with slight reduction in performance)

TRANSMISSION: 6 Speed Manual, 6-Speed DSG (Dual Clutch Auto-Manual)
GEAR RATIOS:
Manual DSG
1 3.36 3.46
2 2.09 2.15
3 1.47 1.46
4 1.10 1.08
5 1.11 1.09
6 0.93 0.92
R 3.99 3.99
Final Gear Ratio (Gears 1-4)
3.94 4.06
Final Gear Ratio (Gears 5 & 6)
3.09 3.14

FUEL TANK CAPACITY: 14.5 gal / 55.0 L
FUEL ECONOMY (EPA Combined):
Man/Auto
City mpg 23/25
Highway mpg 32/31
CURB WEIGHT:
- from US GTI 2006 Owner's Manual -
Man: 3133 lbs
DSG: 3183 lbs

0 TO 60 MPH: 6.7 seconds (mfr; 6-Speed Manual); 6.2 seconds (6-Speed DSG)

TOP SPEED: Electronically Governed at 130mph

so the GTI has a smaller engine, is slower in acceleration and top speed and costs about 3000 more wit tags and taxes? hmm...VDub isnt lookin good to me

^ I would say it costs more because its of higher quality.

so the GTI has a smaller engine, is slower in acceleration and top speed and costs about 3000 more wit tags and taxes? hmm...VDub isnt lookin good to meyeah im thinking that im starting to like to srt-4 more now. and you can get a used one for fairly cheap. like you had mentioned earlier.

Both are nice cars. i just like the MKV styling a little better.

im sorry...lol i should of stated that unless you go to an auction and you have someone in the business that can get u a deal, then you will get that price..lol

my uncle buys and sells cars and he can get a 2003 SRT-4 wit 25000 for 12K

he said they bluebook for 15k

I was thinking that was a little cheap, lol

*DUH* Just hit me now....screw all of the above, all I gotta say is Honda S2000, 240horse on a N/A engine? C'mon now. Slap even a small turbo on that and you'll be beating all of the above. You should be able to find a 2000yr model in between 15k and 20k

still overpaying for a car that has less WHP then an SRT....the SRT-4 is hands down the best HP for your buck, but i am aware there are a few other components to look at when choosing a car...:)

I don't think so man, the s2k has 25 more horse and that's without a turbo...or any kind of boost for that matter, not to mention the joy of having a small RWD car to tear shit up. You could get lucky and pick up an s2k for around the same price as the srt4. Now keep in mind with those specs you could easily be beating most of the cars in your area, including srt4's, cobalt ss's, scion tc's with super chargers, and saturn redlines. Then later down the line install a decent/good turbo and you'd be well over 300horse and beating Evo's and Sti's. That to me seems like bang for the buck.

**Not to mention the 00 S2k had better Consumer ratings and J.D.Power ratings then the 03 Srt4.

i still think the srt-4 is the best bang for buck

Ok here is the break down of EVERYTHING....

-Turbo compressor
-2,429 cc 2.4 liters in-line 4 front engine with 87.5 mm bore, 101 mm stroke, 8.1 compression ratio, double overhead cam and four valves per cylinder EDV
-Premium unleaded fuel 91
-Fuel economy EPA highway (mpg): 30 and EPA city (mpg): 22
-Multi-point injection fuel system
-12.4 gallon main premium unleaded fuel tank
-Power: 172 kW , 230 HP SAE @ 5,300 rpm; 250 ft lb , 339 Nm @ 2,200 rpm

2005 Dodge SRT-4 Handling
-Four-wheel ABS
-Four disc brakes including two ventilated discs
-Electronic brake distribution
-Immobilizer
-Front limited slip differential
-Spacesaver steel rim internal spare wheel
-Strut front suspension independent with stabilizer bar and coil springs , multi-link rear suspension independent with stabilizer bar and coil springs

2005 Dodge SRT-4 Exterior
-Body side molding
-Body color front and rear bumpers
-Coefficient of drag: 0.35
-Driver and passenger power black door mirrors
-External dimensions: overall length (inches): 175.4, overall width (inches): 67.4, overall height (inches): 56, wheelbase (inches): 105, front track (inches): 58, rear track (inches): 58.1 and curb to curb turning circle (feet): 41
-Electric foldable mirrors
-Front fog lights
-Complex surface lens halogen bulb headlights
-Luxury trim alloy on gearknob and alloy look on dashboard
-Pearl paint
-Fixed rear window with defogger
-Front and trunk/hatch spoiler
-Tinted glass on cabin
-Weights: curb weight (lbs) 2,899
-Windshield wipers with variable intermittent wipe

2005 Dodge SRT-4 Interior
-12v power outlet: front and 1
-Air conditioning
-Fixed mast antenna
-Peripheral anti-theft protection
-Audio system with AM/FM and CD player
-Cargo area light
-Cargo capacity: all seats in place (cu ft): 13.1
-Clock
-Full dashboard console with open storage box , full floor console with covered storage box
-Delayed/fade courtesy lights
-Front seats and rear seats cup holders fixed
-Door ajar warning
-Door pockets/bins for driver seat and passenger seat
-Floor covering: carpet in load area
-Floor mats
-Driver and passenger front airbag
-Sports driver and passenger seat
-Height adjustable 3-point reel front seat belts on driver seat and passenger seat
-Front seat center armrest
-Glove compartment
-Two head restraints on front seats and rear seats
-Illuminated entry system
-Internal dimensions: front headroom (inches): 38.4, rear headroom (inches): 36.7, front hip room (inches): 52.4, rear hip room (inches): 52.9, front leg room (inches): 42.2, rear leg room (inches): 34.8, front shoulder room (inches): 53.4, rear shoulder room (inches): 52.8 and interior volume (cu ft): 89.2
-Low fuel level warning
-Remote power locks
-Power steering
-Front power windows
-Front reading lights
-3-point reel rear seat belts on driver side, passenger side and center side
-Three asymmetrical bench front facing rear seats with zero adjustments
-Rear view mirror
-Remote control remote trunk/hatch release
-Cloth seat upholstery with additional vinyl
-Seating: five seats
-Six speaker(s)
-Leather covered steering wheel with tilt adjustment
-Tachometer
-Driver and passenger vanity mirror
-Ventilation system with recirculation sett

As for the GTI... If top gear does a show segment on the car, it usually means something..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRvpTdLQ3hI&search=mkv

I couldn't help but throw one of the comercials in since it has the exact same color and wheels of the one i test drove..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiOY1ySxzbs&mode=related&search=mkv

... and here is one for your girl friend..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxIaY_ojBuY&mode=related&search=mkv

Ok i am done now.. I promise.. unless i can find some vids of the srt-4 for you.

Lets compare -

S2000 - Srt4
hp240 hp215
tq153 tq245
2.0L 2.4L
I4 I4
No boost Turbo
0-60 5.8sec 6.31sec
Max Horse rpm 8300 5400
Trans. 6sp 5sp
Drive type RWD FWD

So the Srt4 has a turbo, more liters, and is the same Inline4 motor and still has 25hp less then a n/a engine, Where's the bang for buck?

Weight - 2809lbs 2939
Granted the srt4 is only 130lbs more and you could do some weight reduction and add some cf stuff but you don't have to with the s2k, again Where's the bang for buck?

Some standard features-
S2000:
Limited slip differential - non srt4
Digital instrument panel - non srt4
Cruise control - non srt4
Leather seats - non srt4
Power convertible roof - non srt4
Alloy shift knob trim - non srt4

Standard features that the srt4 has that the s2k does:
Foglights
Backseat

Hellloooo?....Srt4 bang for buck?...Where are youuu?...

Consumer ratings for 00 S2000 9.3
Consumer ratings for 03 Srt4 9.2
Yes, very close so big deal.

What about the J.D.Power ratings though...
5 Among the best
4 Better than most
3 Does not really stand out
2 The rest

Ratings were gathered within a 3 month, (90 day) trial with each car.

S2000
Overall n/a There wasn't an overall rating for the 00 model, think im lying and i'll give you the link.
Mechanical Quality 5 / 5
Body & Interior Quality 3 / 5
Feature and Accessory Quality 4 / 5
Performance 5 / 5
Style 5/5

Srt4
Overall 2/5
Mechanical Quality 2 / 5
Body & Interior Quality 2 / 5
Feature and Accessory Quality 4 / 5
Performance 5 / 5
Style 3 / 5

...yeah....srt4....real "bang for buck" compared to the s2k.

haha lance really wants to push that s2k lol

lol I'm at work so I have plenty of time to waste.

the stats above compared to s2000 are for 2003 SRT-4, 2004 up had 230hp and came with an LSD, which on the Cobalt is an option and when you add that option made it more expensive than the SRT-4 with the Mopar Stage 1 kit. SRT-4 is a superb car for the money. An S2000 an amazing car and a lot rarer. I'd chose an S2000 over an SRT and an SRT over a Cobalt SS S/C whisch form the start should have had the Saab 9-3 Turbo set-up and would have 230 hp and not 210 and be more tuneable

the stats above compared to s2000 are for 2003 SRT-4, 2004 up had 230hp and came with an LSD, which on the Cobalt is an option and when you add that option made it more expensive than the SRT-4 with the Mopar Stage 1 kit. SRT-4 is a superb car for the money. An S2000 an amazing car and a lot rarer. I'd chose an S2000 over an SRT and an SRT over a Cobalt SS S/C whisch form the start should have had the Saab 9-3 Turbo set-up and would have 230 hp and not 210 and be more tuneable
I hear ya man, but he was talking about getting an 03 from someone for a deal or something so i got those stats.

another thing to Add about the Cobalt SS S/C, as you can probably tell I'm most definitely not a fan of, the exhaust note is truly horrible! Rice-fo-sho. It makes me cringe when I hear one. Also the trunlid on one at stock height is almost as high as my roof and it make is look too narrow form the rear.

alright well forget about the cobalt ss/sc lol the s2k i guess wouldnt be a bad idea but i havent seen one for that cheap. i still think the srt-4 is a very nice ride. i think im going to go with that.

I wud never buy a god damn POS dodge ever. If u have the money get a cobalt ss sc or jus the ss 2.4 like someone mentioned. There isnt many domestics i would buy but if i did it wud be one of the chevs or maybe a ford.. SRT=SHIT

omg look at the touque difference betwee the S2K and the SRT-4...you ever hear the saying HP is for bragging rights, touque is where the power is? does that come into play here? yea...yea i think it does...yea

also...
Some standard features-
S2000:
Limited slip differential - non srt4
Digital instrument panel - non srt4
Cruise control - non srt4
Leather seats - non srt4
Power convertible roof - non srt4
Alloy shift knob trim - non srt4

the 2004+ comes with all of these except the digital instrument panel (which is purely the owners choice because i hate digital gauges) and LSD isnt all that its cracked up to be...alot of people say they would rather not have it (i know nothing about LSD (the car or the drug) so i cant argue that LSD is good for a car or bad)

and the 2003 SRT offered optional leather seats, sun roof, and cruise control.

and dear god please show me where you can find a S2K for less then 13K because i just spoke with my uncle and he said they blue book at 15K with 55000 miles...

Of course, there are way better cars out there for the money, go look! :)

that whole torque thing really isn't true. you need more toque if you have a hevier car. Best comparison 91 Z24 with a 3.1 has the upper hand on torque and is down about 5hp to a 2.4 Z24 but the 2.4 stock will run 15.8 and the 3.1 only 16.1. that is due to the hosepower differential not torque as i believe the 3.1 has about 15 lb-ft over the 2.4. The S2000 is faster. All torque does is spin the tires or make it easier to drive because you don't have to downshift too much in traffic and if that's a reason you'd chose one car over another then maybe you'd be better off in a Buick. I don't understand why everyone prattles on about torque, it really isn't true that is where you make speed. Torque will also induce torque steer which was a HUGE promblem on the 2003 SRT as it didn't have the LSD (which is a Quaife Helical Gear Diff)

Also, in the other thread "significant upgrade" I mentioned the Porsche Boxter 98 Boxsters go for around $15k nowadays. I'd take that over any other car mentioned

I would say the GTI, S2K, and SRT-4 are the best cars mentioned so far.

yea the honda is a far better car than the srt-4 but it all depends on what you like. the honda would have to be a few years older than the srt-4 to be able to get it cheap enough. You could go with my personal fav. Mazada Miata. Not very fast, no were near cheap, but fucken NICE. allmost had my hand on one fore $2000. so pissed when it was gone. you can get a little older one fore cheap and then spice up the motor

that whole torque thing really isn't true. you need more toque if you have a hevier car. Best comparison 91 Z24 with a 3.1 has the upper hand on torque and is down about 5hp to a 2.4 Z24 but the 2.4 stock will run 15.8 and the 3.1 only 16.1. that is due to the hosepower differential not torque as i believe the 3.1 has about 15 lb-ft over the 2.4. The S2000 is faster. All torque does is spin the tires or make it easier to drive because you don't have to downshift too much in traffic and if that's a reason you'd chose one car over another then maybe you'd be better off in a Buick. I don't understand why everyone prattles on about torque, it really isn't true that is where you make speed. Torque will also induce torque steer which was a HUGE promblem on the 2003 SRT as it didn't have the LSD (which is a Quaife Helical Gear Diff)

Also, in the other thread "significant upgrade" I mentioned the Porsche Boxter 98 Boxsters go for around $15k nowadays. I'd take that over any other car mentioned
Thank you Noshun, and I mentioned the STANDARD features on the 00 s2k because that would obviously be the cheapest and I compared them to the 03 srt4 because thats the one you would possibly get from your uncle, okay so the 03 srt4 comes with some of the stuff as OPTIONS, not STANDARD like the s2k. And I also never said you could find one for less then 13k, I said in between 15k-20k, for a couple more g's I'd say it's worth it since a honda s2000 would definitely last longer then any dodge.

How ever far back the torque comment is, Torque gets you to higher speeds faster. Horsepower just limits what those speeds are.

Well... if were really going to get going on this...

How close do you live to canada and willing to drive? If your dead serious www.street-line.net can import cars from Japan for you to a port in B.C. Only catch is the cars have to be atleast 10 or 15 years old I don't really remember for sure, but last i knew they have early-mid 90's skyline GT and GTR sitting in port right now with 60-80K KM's..for around 8-10K USD. I saw a pic of a gorgous blue one i wanted soo bad, but someone snagged her up. The second bad part is... your looking at another 5-10K just to get the car road legal in the states. US has higher safty regs than japan and you'd have to get the car up to par...

don't believe you can make skyline street legal anymore.

^ why is that?

gov crap, it was recently, i tried to find the post but can't find it ANYWERE, i'll keep looking