f1 on players run...new one possibly?

I just quickly glanced through the american and european threads and didnt see this car in any of them. Taken by a fellow teck guy who was on the players run, the front plate looks familiar though.

http://www.teckademicseast.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20330

edit: possibly #20?

Well it's not really a new one, but I only learned two days ago that this car had made it to the USA, so I have not added it to the American fleet thread yet.

This is chassis #011 - one of the best looking McLaren F1s in the world to be honest, though I'd make some changes in the interior if it were mine.

Great scoop btw - you get :thumbsup: :thumbsup: from me. :grinyes:

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ER

Excellent ! We spoke about yesterday and it appears in the USA !
Incredible, the F1 did the entire run ? And there are baby seats ?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phil

Hi Phil-
The F1 was not seen at the start or any of the other junctions on the tour to my knowledge. It seems to have shown up at one of the stops in Colorado - either Aspen or Denver. We'll know more soon I am sure.

Edit: It was Aspen.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=117295

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ER

Hello Erik,

thanks a lot again, here a video of the F1 http://media.putfile.com/P6090041

Phil

Ace pics, Great find everybody.:thumbsup:

Eh eh, Erik has a mission, a mission impossible :)

Richard know Ojjeh, so he could know the owner of #011 ? So your mission is to approach #011 and make pics :)

Tadaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Phil

It WILL be mine, oh yes it will (along with 069) :)

Oh my God! The gorgeous F1 reappears! It is really good looking, I hope we will see some nice High-Res images in a short while

And in less than a day, I think I've already managed to procure the owner's name and location. :naughty:

I'm about 90% scratch that 100% certain he's the man in the blue shirt seen in this photo:

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7138/p60900270eq.th.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7138/p60900270eq.jpg)

News at 11:00

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Ok everyone - here's your hint:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/temp/nocheating.jpg

Interested to see if anyone can figure out who that might be?

I'll give you one more hint - he owns chassis #011. :lol:

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Founder of Starbucks? No other reason to be at one with the cup's logo facing the camera on a wireless LAN of the shop.

Edit: LOL! You put "nocheating" for the pic's name when I right clicked to find more! I've done the same before, hah.

Nope - he's not in the coffee business.

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Is he one of these men? List of Colorado Billionaires:

Rank Name Net Worth ($mil) Age Residence Source
28 Anschutz, Philip F 7,200 65 Denver, CO Investments
30 Ergen, Charles 7,100 52 Denver, CO EchoStar
153 Malone, John C 1,900 64 Parker, CO Cable television
181 Stryker, Pat A 1,700 49 Fort Collins, CO Stryker Corp.
258 Leprino, James 1,300 68 Denver, CO Cheese
320 Bailey, Thomas 1,100 68 Aspen, CO Mutual funds
384 Magness, Gary 900 51 Denver, CO Inheritance


Or maybe he's from Washington thus the starbucks? Hmm...he does look familiar.

Not a resident of Colorado, neither is the car from what I have been told.

He is on the billionaires list for the state he is from though. :cool:

That's actually another clue as it narrows the field to just 793 people in the world, and even further if you subrtract the 78 females on that list.

Maybe my clues aren't all that helpful though :grinno:

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East coast, west coast or middle?





Chris

Closer to me than to you. :p

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ER

Closer to me than to you. :p

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ER

Sweet. How close are we talking here? Very, I hope. And why does that guy look so familiar?!

This is starting to bug me...:banghead: :grinyes:

I don't know why he looks familiar to you, but remember the news comes on at 11:00pm. Be sure to tune in. ;)

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That time already? :grinyes:

The owner's name is John Stanton of Seattle, WA. There's a lot to read about Mr Stanton on the web as he's been a powerful and important figure in the developing wireless communications industry in the USA and abroad for several decades. He's a self-made billionaire who seems to be highly respected in his industry. Here's one of the better articles on his career and some of his successes:

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/stories/2005/07/18/focus6.html

Incidentally, he's pictured at Starbucks in front of his laptop in conjunction with his role as Chairman of T-Mobile USA, who most will know have struck a deal with Starbucks to provide wireless hotspots at all of their locations. I thought someone might be able to piece something together using that image. While it was a little vague, I thought it was more intriguing than a simple headshot would have been.

My source this time was one of those shot-in-the-dark notes sent out to a person I'm familiar with, but who I've never spoken to before. I thought they might know the answer and it paid off for the most part as they were able to provide the owner's first name, where he lived and a comment that he was the founder of Cingular Wireless which turns out not to be the case. This person also mentioned that #011 is registered in Oregon although the car is kept in Seattle most of the time. It turns out that Cingular is a company Stanton has done business with, but never worked directly for based on my reading this afternoon.

While it wasn't all the right answers handed to me on a platter, there was still enough detail to allow me to put the pieces together and fill in the blanks. Then the photos I found of Stanton matched up well with the gentleman standing by the car in Aspen. :thumbsup:

That's how it's done folks. :sunglasse

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You're such the sleuth. :smokin:

Next time try and find out how we can become billionaires. LOL :icon16:

I looked up "wireless Aspen" in the hopes of finding him. Wrong city and state though :(

Hold the phone!

After all that - I may actually end up being wrong. :uhoh: That's what I get for being cocky. :redface: :loser:

Time to do more digging it seems...

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That's how it's done folks. :sunglasse

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:worshippy

Except when you read my last reply you might want to take that back.

I could still be right, but I may also be wrong. Slightly better chance that I'm wrong at this point I think. Still close, but that doesn't really count in this game. :shakehead

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I looked up "wireless Aspen" in the hopes of finding him. Wrong city and state though :(
I had come to the same conclusion about the identity - unfortunately it was 20 minutes after the answer was posted - although I didn't know that at the time!

Another individual suggested this morning that the owner of #011 might be a man named John McCaw.

Interestingly, they share the same name, the same location of Seattle and also the same industry which is wireless communications. Besides the new tip I received this morning, there are two things about McCaw that make him a more likely candidate for ownership of #011. The first is that he owns a ranch in Medford, OR which ties in with the Oregon reg plate that #011 supposedly wears. The other is that he's definitely more involved in the car collecting world, with several classic Ferraris, a Ford GT-40 and even an old McLaren Can-Am car having passed through his hands.

Strangely I still think that the gentlemen in the photo behind #011 could be Stanton, and maybe it is. He could have been there in another car or maybe if the F1 is indeed McCaw's he could have let Stanton borrow it. The two have worked closely together in the past with Stanton serving as CEO of McCaw wireless working with John's brother Craig, and Stanton also purchased a stake in the Seattle Mariners baseball team from John McCaw at one point.

While I am leaning towards certainty that Mr McCaw is the real owner of #011, I'm going to change the American Fleet listing to simply "John" for now until I can settle this without any speculation involved.

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ER

Roy took some nice pics, but I haven't asked him for any hi-res. http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109685

Edit: Maybe Roy knows who the owner is, too, and what the number 8 means on the car.

Roy might know a thing or two. I believe all the cars that participated had those numbers on the side, as well as lots of other stickers. In the first shot of #011 in the slideshow you'll see it has no stickers at all.

If he's willing to share the F1 pics in hires that would be awesome. There are two or three that are really great! :thumbsup:

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ER

Another individual suggested this morning that the owner of #011 might be a man named John McCaw.

Interestingly, they share the same name, the same location of Seattle and also the same industry which is wireless communications. Besides the new tip I received this morning, there are two things about McCaw that make him a more likely candidate for ownership of #011. The first is that he owns a ranch in Medford, OR which ties in with the Oregon reg plate that #011 supposedly wears. The other is that he's definitely more involved in the car collecting world, with several classic Ferraris, a Ford GT-40 and even an old McLaren Can-Am car having passed through his hands.



Lots of involvement with racing in the family too with brother Bruce having owned the PacWest CART team back in the early 90s plus racing some vintage McLaren Can-Am cars and brother Craig backing an America's Cup team.

John McCaw has a huge Ferrari collection

There's also a Craig Stanton that races in the Grand Am Cup series against us. He drives a Porsche 911. He was the GS-class champ in 2004. But his hometown is listed as Long Beach, CA.

Craig is John's brother, as mentioned in Noddy's post.

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Craig is John's brother, as mentioned in Noddy's post.

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No he's talking about a Craig Stanton not Craig McCaw
Just for the record there was another brother - Keith - now deceased.

I read too fast for my own good... :shakehead

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So do we know who owns it yet or not? :confused:

What does the American Fleet thread say? :wink:

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Cool. Thanks

Roy says who the owner is! :eek: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135863152&postcount=15 ;)

What is important, though, is that he did NOT say the owner wasn't there. Maybe in another car like you guys said. I'm still going with the guy in the pic on the laptop. Maybe he's trying to 1 up his buddy's collection with the ultimate car. :D

A few more pages (like 91 :22yikes: ) of Player's Run photos are here. :thumbsup:

http://www.prbotp.com/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=2551

You'll find some shots of #011 starting on page 59 and then more towards the end of the album. :cool:

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ER

Nice find, Thanks :thumbsup:

In other news - take a close look at this photo of John McCaw's 1959 Ferrari Testa Rossa at Pebble Beach:

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3517/copyofrolexraces1193al.th.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3517/copyofrolexraces1193al.jpg)

Notice anything familiar about the man standing behind the car in the blue shirt? In my mind he looks to be the same guy behind the F1 in that shot in Aspen - same cellphone even...

Now take a look at these photos of billionaire John McCaw on Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/2002/02/03/0203owner_15.html

http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/03/cx_bs_1003movers.html

Doesn't look even remotely close to him in my opinion and it doesn't look like his brother Craig or Bruce either (I checked). :dunno:

So who is that blue shirt wearing guy? :1zhelp:

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ER

The owner is not the guy in the picture. John drove the car. He brought several cars on the run. The first day he drove a black 959. The second day he drove a yellow GT2. I think he drove the F1 a little on the way to SLC as I saw some pictures that were not from the Aspen to Denver drive. The car was outside with a cover on it for the night before the drive from SLC to Aspen. However, it was raining really hard in SLC, so he switched to his GT2. I think the guy in the picture in Aspen (not with the laptop) and in the picture in Pebble Beach takes care of the cars. I saw him at all stops where John was. He was wearing a shirt with "Cavallino Holdings, Ltd." embroidered in the chest most days.

I'm now 100% positive John McCaw owns 011

The owner is not the guy in the picture. John McCaw drove the car. He brought several cars on the run. The first day he drove a black 959. The second day he drove a yellow GT2. I think he drove the F1 a little on the way to SLC as I saw some pictures that were not from the Aspen to Denver drive. The car was outside with a cover on it for the night before the drive from SLC to Aspen. However, it was raining really hard in SLC, so he switched to his GT2. I think the guy in the picture in Aspen (not with the laptop) and in the picture in Pebble Beach takes care of the cars. I saw him at all stops where John was. He was wearing a shirt with "Cavallino Holdings, Ltd." embroidered in the chest most days.

Thanks for the excellent info. :thumbsup: Couple that with Chris' post and everything else that's come my way and I think we certainly have what we were looking for. I will update the list. :cool:

I also heard that the current owner has had the car since the Christies Auction in 2003. I'm actually surprised this is the first time this car has appeared unless he only recently brought it into the USA or it has been a garage queen since it got here. :dunno:

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John did buy the car at the auction, through a London based dealer

A few more pages (like 91 :22yikes: ) of Player's Run photos are here. :thumbsup:

http://www.prbotp.com/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=2551

You'll find some shots of #011 starting on page 59 and then more towards the end of the album. :cool:

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ER

Tisk tisk :nono: That was for your eyes only! :disappoin

Tisk tisk :nono: That was for your eyes only! :disappoin

Brian - I think you are confused. :shakehead

I found the link to that page of photos in a post made by "Rachel" on 06-14-2006, 09:35 PM in the Teckademics East forum (here (http://www.teckademicseast.com/forums/showpost.php?p=449545&postcount=42)). I posted that gallery link in this thread on AF.com when I discovered it there on 06-16-2006, 07:43 AM.

The first PM you sent me via M3forum.net came 06-18-2006, 04:48 PM and the one with the link to those pics arrived the same day at 10:06 PM. In the first PM you asked me to keep the info you shared to myself, but you didn't tell me anything that we didn't already know as John McCaw's name had been included in this thread since 06-14-2006, 02:44 PM and secondary confirmation of him being the owner of the F1 was posted here by 512 TR 06-16-2006, 03:26 PM - more than two days prior to me receiving anything from you.

The second PM you sent me on M3forum.net made no mention keeping anything to myself and simply contained that album link with the words "More pics in our PR gallery,". Even if you had asked me to keep that link private (which you did not), your request would have been far too late for that based on when it was posted by Rachel and when it showed up here.

I'm not going to tell you how to run your show, but last time I checked "PR" stood for "Public Relations". If you don't want the PR pics publicized that seems a little silly, but I'm not passing around anything that I didn't find on my own (and anyone else could have found on their own) nor that I was asked/told not to share. If you have a problem with that link being circulated publicly I suggest you take that up with Rachel.

Your implication of any wrongdoing on my part in this scenario is disappointing as I always use the utmost discretion when someone asks me to keep things to myself.

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ER

...I always use the utmost discretion when someone asks me to keep things to myself.

I can vouch for Erik on this, he would never post something deliberatley that he knew wasn't meant to be posted.

I read through this thread and I find it pretty damn funny. You guys act like super slueths but then you don't bother to figure out the real facts.

PR (in the case of MY photo gallery/forum) stands for Player's Run. Why is that so hard to figure out? Those aren't official Player's Run or Public Relations photos. They're the photos that I took while on the Player's Run along with a couple others.

prova4re probably sent you the link after I made the page public because he has the decency not to share private photos without the owners permission.

Do I have the site password protected? No. I feel that people should be able to see more PR pictures because there is a definite lack of them available. Do I think you guys are going overboard? Definitely. I'm glad I don't own a car that turns people into stalkers. No wonder the F1 owner doesn't bring his car out often.

It doesn't really matter what PR stands for in this case. Your gallery was posted publically on another forum before it was posted here by Erik. I also have no idea what this means:

prova4re probably sent you the link after I made the page public because he has the decency not to share private photos without the owners permission.
So YOU made it public and you're mad because someone other than you posted it somewhere else? :confused:

I read through this thread and I find it pretty damn funny. You guys act like super slueths but then you don't bother to figure out the real facts.

PR (in the case of MY photo gallery/forum) stands for Player's Run. Why is that so hard to figure out? Those aren't official Player's Run or Public Relations photos. They're the photos that I took while on the Player's Run along with a couple others.

prova4re probably sent you the link after I made the page public because he has the decency not to share private photos without the owners permission.

Do I have the site password protected? No. I feel that people should be able to see more PR pictures because there is a definite lack of them available. Do I think you guys are going overboard? Definitely. I'm glad I don't own a car that turns people into stalkers. No wonder the F1 owner doesn't bring his car out often.

Thanks for your input. :) I realized later on that PR prob = "Players Run" in this case, but didn't feel it was worth the effort to correct my post. :dunno:

As I explained - the link to your photos was made public days before Brian sent them to me. He's the one that decided to make it an issue without knowing the facts.

What we do here is no different than people who keep track of cars/owners of rare Ferraris. Why not go have a laugh at their expense. :confused: I'm sure some of the more notable Ferrari historians would laugh in your face if you referred to them as a "stalker". :screwy:

My :2cents:

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Trust me, I think a lot of the guys on fchat are crackpots too. My ex and I run kit car blogs and do a lot of research for a wide variety of clients but we don't go online posting people's names and contact information in attempt to violate their privacy.

But anyway, most stalkers don't think they're doing anything wrong either.

Well you know what they say about opinions... :lol:

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ER

Trust me, I think a lot of the guys on fchat are crackpots too. My ex and I run kit car blogs and do a lot of research for a wide variety of clients but we don't go online posting people's names and contact information in attempt to violate their privacy.

But anyway, most stalkers don't think they're doing anything wrong either.

Its funny you think that. Telaio is completely different from fchat. It is private and the members make sure that the info doesn't leave telaio. Try to find me 1 instance of someone posting contact info on fchat. You can't. You know why? Its against fchat rules. Then again, when you research a particular car, do you search for a specific chassis #. I assume not because by your definition that would make you a stalker. Many telaio members aren't in it for the money like you are. They enjoy the cars. The thrill of the hunt and all that

Regards


Chris Dodds. Proud fchatter and "crackpot group member"

Oh my goodness. What a sad little contribution our new member notmil0 is trying to make. :shakehead If you would have bothered to go a little deeper into what we post here, you would have found out, that we share whatever is in the public domain.

If you have a special car, but you don't want anybody to know that it is yours, or connect your name with it, then don't take part in these public outings. Man!

Moreover, a pity you also didn't bother to read Peloton's explanation, where he meticulously showed he only shared something out of another forum. :cya:

Well said. Erik has my full permission to delete my posts to clean this crap up and keep the thread on topic

I haven't deleted any of my off-track/inaccurate posts made early on in this thread to make me look better - why would I start now? :grinno:

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Trust me, I think a lot of the guys on fchat are crackpots too. My ex and I run kit car blogs and do a lot of research for a wide variety of clients but we don't go online posting people's names and contact information in attempt to violate their privacy.

But anyway, most stalkers don't think they're doing anything wrong either.

You kit car people are responsible for shite like this!!

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/5476/crap13og.th.png (http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crap13og.png)

And you call us crackpots.

I was going to go there but couldn't be bothered. Guys, ignore this guy. Pick your battles. This is one that isn't worth fighting