Alpine Renault A442B - mostly not OOB

Hi guys: lot of time since I do something in that section: happy to be here :)

Well this would be a kind of exercise: I'm trying a whole different workflow: I put apart our pricey hobby stuff to try something new: pro industrial stuff like acrylics primers, flat base and 2 part clearcoat, so don't expect miracles from me, as you'll know shortly I found out some troubles but also a lot of fun and.. at least I know something new.

So far the subject: nothing special to me: I discover it in a LHS and I token it for the price and due to the awesome livery, by and by I become to love it and discover the hystory of this little beast driven by the "Little Prince of Speed" Didier Pironi: I ever loved him albeit my preferred at that time was Jacques (and obviously Nelson: who haven't loved Piquet?). This car beated awesome Porsche 936 and won the 1978 LM.

Well I won't to bore someone so quicly to the built:

This model is like a motorized car, so lack of inside details, also is a bit like a snap-mount in few points: I tried to remove those "toy" appeal point: I had close those block-holes with styrene and putty.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/fcac3d23.jpg

I also deepened air-intakes by cutting edges and creating some styrene walls, and drilled holes in the door
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/7a8aa8f1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/2bceb628.jpg

Front air-scoop was closed and really thick: I cut out all and redo with styrene strips, than I done the front scoop cover, like in the real car

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/04040a51.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/e1292a91.jpg

A bit of thinned putty and those was decent to me

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/97e80e04.jpg

I tought a bit before a decision on the rear intakes: than I done the same than for the front scoop:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/fa197250.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/a6f25d3d.jpg

Was really hard do a decent putty job on the snorkel base: really close room to sand out putty, I used also on here thinned putty to minimize sanding, in light layers

I also removed fuel caps to redone some alu turned stuff and.. disaster in the left side the mill machine (I used it with the body free in the 2-axis table) do its sign on my body shell: another putty job just over panel lines!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/31d82dc4.jpg

Headlight have a internal surface to fix plexiglass cover so I done it by styrene: before I drawn the evenlop like when you do a CF job

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/19d6f30d.jpg

I redone panel lines withe the help of a "DYMO" tape, the back of the cutter, and a scriber.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/763db808.jpg

Quickly to the new products: basically one reason is i'm bored to spend 30-40 eur every car in Tamiya cans, also I'ld try something better (or supposed better) :)

So after sanded all the body shell I used as primer and sealer (next step hot paints) an acrylic grey base from Lecher, after that I used a white acrilic to lighten the tone before spray the yellow. I found out those quetly hard to flush out from the airbrush (Iwata HPCS, 0.3 diam.) but the finish is superb and this kind of color is a bit "progressive" and hard compared to Tamy stuff to me, not easy so sand down until the plastic :)

I done this job in 4 or 5 step, every layer wetsanded
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/af850642.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/a2cab259.jpg

Cyan circle just to note that I sand down the front splitter to a better "real " appeal :)

So was the time for the yellow flat base: it's a mixed "Ferrari Giallo Modena" from Lecher, I found out this and teh PPG "rosso scuderia" really awesome: almost the best thing I flush over my AB, I done the job in just 2 steps, wetsanding after each layer

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/98ca73d0.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/0235a5de.jpg

This flat base is really quick to cure: the day after spraying I start the decal's job: I had to use a lot of 'set and 'sol to put down those giant decals! Lettering are joined with coloured areas so.. no chance for a 2 tone sprayed livery.

I had my first trouble with the first clearcoat: may be I had some few sol and set particles and the clear react with, the surface was realli like an emmenthan chhes :) with some friends help (Thanks guys :wink:) I fix the problem cleaning with alchol the surface before spraying. So I sanded down, destroyed some few decal, touch up, and finally a couple of wetcoats w/out big difficoulties: that's the result, soon with polishing and few interior details and.. Didier figure :)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/b1ba48d5.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/0638ae3c.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/16b0fc9b.jpg
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Thanks in advance guys for reading and for your kind comment
ciao
giovanni

Nice work, Gio! Looks teriffic. I've been wondering when you'd start this one. Your detailing touches to the air vents add alot. Another cool esoteric build to follow!

Excellent work Gio, those vents look brilliant after you redid them :)

excellent body work and modifications. I find them very hard to do but you make it seem like a breeze. great livery.

Hi,

inspite of "mostly OOB" you did some significant improvements.

Looks very nice !!!

I cant see the pics :(
But its awsome anyway :D

I have just one word for you, Gio - CHINA! ;)

Very interesting ino on the pro paints. I would like to try that sometime. I'm trying to get some modelcolorworx paints but I guess my emails keep getting lost :(

that is looking really nice!

Thanks thant thank thanks a lot guys: a bit of support (&ego massage) work well on this damn project:grinyes::grinyes: not my usual stuff :)

Les> from what I seen on your "406mph.." few modifications wan't worry you a bit, thanks and congrats for those huge&fun project

Steve> China project is 85% done: like you heard last sunday I found out a great source for those fuc###g dragon:) just prime you scangi that dragon'll fly to varsavia soon (with some few other abarth crap ;) :p:evillol::smokin:)

Well I taken a shoot outside before polishing it: maybe it could be worst after my "touch"

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/exterior.jpg

Excellent finish.Looks superb.

Another masterpiece in the making!!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/exterior.jpg

Is it just me or do you have big hands??? :grinno: :grinno: :grinno: Joking aside, the work you´ve done, looks great. I´m looking forward to see the rest of the build!

Keep it up!

I have to agree, this truely is an awesome livery and you made a flawless job on the body! :eek:
Is this one of the older Tamiya kits?

Now I can see teh pics - and Like I thought, it looks awsome :D
And uff, what a great livery!!

You NEED to polish it?!?!? The shine looks excelent to me......

Very Tidy work :bigthumb:

Looking very nice! I like the modifications you did. :grinyes:

nice modifications! :D

Thanks thant thank thanks a lot guys: a bit of support (&ego massage) work well on this damn project:grinyes::grinyes: not my usual stuff :)

Les> from what I seen on your "406mph.." few modifications wan't worry you a bit, thanks and congrats for those huge&fun project

Steve> China project is 85% done: like you heard last sunday I found out a great source for those fuc###g dragon:) just prime you scangi that dragon'll fly to varsavia soon (with some few other abarth crap ;) :p:evillol::smokin:)

Well I taken a shoot outside before polishing it: maybe it could be worst after my "touch"

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/exterior.jpg

Hi

Impressive job on that old Tamiya kit. Enough to make me start my own one!

Strictly speaking there is a slight problem with the spotless finish though. The black areas are not gloss black on the real car, but a semigloss black, almost like a anti glare panel on a fighter. Problem is that the semigloss are confined to the black areas which means one hell of a masking job... Naturally I can back this up with pictures.

But still a magnificent job.

Best regards

Flemming

Strictly speaking there is a slight problem with the spotless finish though. The black areas are not gloss black on the real car, but a semigloss black, almost like a anti glare panel on a fighter.

I noticed: the only way I found out so far is to mask backs (in) after the gloss finishing and spray a light hand of matt/satin, I'll try: if you have refs're well welcome, I found out few. Thanks.

Is this one of the older Tamiya kits? Yes

You NEED to polish it?!?!? The shine looks excelent to me......

Maybe not after last hand: I've a couple of little flaws actually and I need to resand for a last topcoat :)

Once again thanks a lot guys :)

I noticed: the only way I found out so far is to mask backs (in) after the gloss finishing and spray a light hand of matt/satin, I'll try: if you have refs're well welcome, I found out few. Thanks.


Hi

Look at this. This picture is of the longer no. 1 car - but the same applies to the semigloss black area. Notice the difuse light that defers from a true gloss area like the yellow and white areas.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a241/ipms01/ResizeofA442-_2.jpg

Another pic - this of the no. two car.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a241/ipms01/ResizeofA442-_3.jpg

Cockpit view - notice the two chrome bars.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a241/ipms01/ResizeofGW03056.jpg

Best regards

Flemming

Interesting pics there Flemming. In the second one it looks like the far black stripe is glossy!? The brake duct is clearly reflected in it. Different paints/stickers or distance making the black appear glossier? If the latter then maybe a gloss black finish would be approriate for a 1/24th model. :dunno: Ah the joys of scale effect...

Notice the crappy paintwork inside the intake as well.

Can't see any crappy paintwork on your bodywork Giovanni. Superb finish! :)

Interesting pics there Flemming. In the second one it looks like the far black stripe is glossy!? The brake duct is clearly reflected in it. Different paints/stickers or distance making the black appear glossier? If the latter then maybe a gloss black finish would be approriate for a 1/24th model. :dunno: Ah the joys of scale effect...


Trust me - the sheen is identical on both sides...

Flemming

Thanks Phil and congrats for the deserved trophy: I guess flhansen is right: I hoped for a whyle those car was glossy but the black's reflection is definitevely flat: anyway it's quetly strange: how can a matt or just satin surface do that kind of reflection as Phil said?
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/renault_alpine_a442b1978.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/4efe308e.jpg

Thanks a lot flhansen for the pics: manly the 3rd: I'm wondering a ref for a bit of detailing in the back of the dashboard: great.

At this point maybe I'll done some weathering like after-24h.

Updatessss:

Before all a baby born: :D

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5453.jpg

and she have also the first dress:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5454.jpg

I'm happy becouse is the #4 car that achieved the 4th position at '78 LM with the awesome Monsieur Ragnotti (and Frequellin obv.)

so... it's my first "very mine" twosome LOL.

Ok let me show something:

This is the kit's interiors: it's one of those motorized stuff, since the Ragnotti's car (that needs some little conversion since is an A442, not a 442B, I'll show in next steps) was used without "blob roof", you'll see some of the... nothing.. the kit offer:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5457.jpg

I started cleaning all parts that will interfere with a pool:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5446.jpg

A couple shots of the real car:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/a442b_goodwood99_cockpit4.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/a442b_goodwood99_cockpit3.jpg

I drawn the panels on illustrator, I done also marks for etch the rivets, than I cut out parts and punched rivets:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5445.jpg

The result: sigh, I need another now....

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5455.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5456.jpg

I had to manage some adjustments to fit the body:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5451.jpg

But the result is that:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5461.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5460.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5459.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5458.jpg


Stay tuned!

ciao

gio

Too sweet!

Super idea with the riveting :worshippy

Too sweet!

Super idea with the riveting :worshippy
What a transformation with the interior. Watching you work at modelling to me is almost more fun then working on my own models.

Hi

Great to see this topic return!

Regards

Flemming

Watching you work at modelling to me is almost more fun then working on my own models.

You reading my mind Les? :lol: :lol: :lol: So let's just let him to build and we stay watching.:runaround: :runaround: :rofl:

Very nice work on the tub. I like the pattern idea! Now cover it in BMF. :grinyes:

What did you use to punch the rivet holes?

Great work!

Wow Gio,

great job so far ...

Very nice work on the tub. I like the pattern idea! Now cover it in BMF. :grinyes:

What did you use to punch the rivet holes?
Sorry Andy I lost the question :) : dunno know a translation: international image language LOL

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/CIMG5463.jpg

Done also the other cockpit's pool:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/CIMG5462.jpg

Thanks guys for your kind comments ;)

bump! great build so far as in one of the pictures of the real car i would love to build to F1 car in the background, seen it round donnington park on saturday @ the renault world series day and it sounded amazing!!!

Update:
Kit's wheels are terrible: I stripped from the chrome/clear but then I decided to do my own machined rims, with photoetched spokes. It's the first time I do machined rims, turned from both sides, before I done just lips.

Front and back rims, inside and outside:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5776.jpg

I done also self-ventilated PE discs but since it's a very curbside project (only wall visible) I choose machined discs, better to me:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5777.jpg

This is also the first time I try to etch something thicker than 0.1mm: this is the result with a 0.3 mm plate: I have to improove my PE skills with thick materials but it's just a begin:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5779.jpg

Bolts cutted from a hex pipe:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5780.jpg

Turned "srew" part (the roundel shoul be part of the bolt, I'll seam or glue later)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5782.jpg

And here with the clips: the "screw" was drilled, clips done with a thin copper pipe:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5781.jpg

I done myself also a tool to machine a bit also tyres (rim's waste):

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5783.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5785.jpg

Simple way on front:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5788.jpg

The result:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5786.jpg

Finished stuff:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5787.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5789.jpg

I fight a bit to achieve a fitting test:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5790.jpg

Speaking of interiors they're now aluminium, I turned also a couple of estinguishers:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5795.jpg

Looking good Gio, I figured there would be an update soon after the machining post. Great job on the wheels and tires.

Mike

The wheels are nice. Again the extra yard to achieve a greater result than you could do imagine upfront.

->Edit: The naming of the thread is wrong though: This one is not OOB, not ven close to mostly OOB...

Great work Gio!

Great work the finish on the body is excellent really like the wheels and wheel nuts also. Looking forward to your next update.

you make it look so easy.

Those wheels are amazing, especially that tiny cotter-pin you made. Great job with all the photo-etching too, way out of my league.

Great work

Hi Gio,

great job !!!!

Wheels and screws look fantastic.

Just one question: the part, where the copper clip sits, looks rather long from where the "screw" ends.

I have no reference, is that ok or will it be shortened?

Nice work Gio, keep them coming!

Just one question: the part, where the copper clip sits, looks rather long from where the "screw" ends.

I have no reference, is that ok or will it be shortened?

Ye Micha I agree, the screw is too long: hard to recognize in motion from refs but it seems that the "screw" isn't longer than the bolt: I needed a bit of pipe left to drill the pin's hole, I guess I'll shorten of 0.5-0.7mm or cut it just near the bolt. I'l mostly noticeable in the fron rim that isn't so deep.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/2299-3.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/lemans-1978-24h-ph-0142.jpg

Thanks guys!

Forgot to show my most complicated job: I done also some superb alloy springs, let me know if someone need some ROOOOFL

edit> this is the waste to do just 4 (well TBH 4 good+ some waste) rims, starting from a 30mm diam rod ;)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5797.jpg

holy sh*t!!!! :eek: :rofl:

Great looking wheels. Glad that the 'new' lathe is working well for you now. (Now where did you find that alu hex??) The tire wear looks terrific! :eek:

Forgot to show my most complicated job: I done also some superb alloy springs, let me know if someone need some ROOOOFL

edit> this is the waste to do just 4 (well TBH 4 good+ some waste) rims, starting from a 30mm diam rod ;)

:lol: You know, it's easier and faster to start with tubing! :grinyes:

Nice one G, those wheel rims are brilliant. I hate a clean workshop too!

It's a real beauty. bravo.

love this WIP and of a car that is rarely modeled too, just makes it all the more intersting. More top end modeling on the forum at the moment, everywhere you look people are producing masterpieces - we are getting spoilt you know.
Great work Gio, one questions though - why are you building two? Hope you havent answered that 1000 times already!

love this WIP and of a car that is rarely modeled too, just makes it all the more intersting. More top end modeling on the forum at the moment, everywhere you look people are producing masterpieces - we are getting spoilt you know.
Great work Gio, one questions though - why are you building two? Hope you havent answered that 1000 times already!
Not Sean, didn't answered yet :D But I guess there isn't yet an answer LOL

You know: sometimes we start something without a precise plan: I started this french girl more than a year ago as a (really!!!) OOB project to learn something about automotive's base coats and 2K clears: on the way I found and fix problems, learn how to use 2Ks, and started to love this car, lately I found another cheap one and the amazing Ragnotti's decals (shame he didn't driven a M3 or a 911 cos he didn't driven stight also front traction cars LOL) so I decided to do also the second: that would be a bit more OOB than the other one LOL.

@Andy: it's not alloy, it's hex brass rod: don't know the manufacturer, I buy it evey year at Milan's model show. 1-4 mm "diam".

Great job so far, the wheels and used tyres looks great.

Excellant work Gio. Have you changed your interior tubs to aluminum or have you painted them?:)

Excellant work Gio. Have you changed your interior tubs to aluminum or have you painted them?:)

HI Dan, LOL: they're plastic card painted with a good Ferrari Grigio Alloy: I thinned it as possible to simulate alu.

Thanks a lot guys!

NIce work Gionc,
I really like the rims.
As I ordered a lathe this week, I can't wait to receive it and to begin turning some stuff. It want be so nice as your lathe work, as I absolutely have no experience to use it.
By the way, is there a good book for learning to use a lathe? (it can be in english or in french....Thank you)

Jamme

NIce work Gionc,
I really like the rims.
As I ordered a lathe this week, I can't wait to receive it and to begin turning some stuff. It want be so nice as your lathe work, as I absolutely have no experience to use it.
By the way, is there a good book for learning to use a lathe? (it can be in english or in french....Thank you)

Jamme
Ciao JM, TBH dunno know, I learned the few I own by myself with the help of some friends. My only advice is join here http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1774
Andy, Mike, Steve, Dennis, well I'm sure I forgos someone, would very happy to help you in the start up ;)

edit: upppsss seen now ;)

Great job Gio!! You as some others here are improving with every build and it seems the machining and etching virus is transmitted quickly in this forum :-)
Waiting for more!

Great job Gio!! You as some others here are improving with every build and it seems the machining and etching virus is transmitted quickly in this forum :-)
Waiting for more!

Thanks Jay: you're guilty for the PE pandemic: your Mac Laren leaved some of us sick ;) LOL

On the serious side without your help and your motivating+inspiring WIP I wouldn't start my PE adventure, I guess I must thank you for a whyle...

I need an advice guys: I discovered some modifications in the Raghotti's 442 after the decal job.... TBH I started the second car as a OOB to show the mods done in the first one... but just now I discovered (from the S24 decal's sheet) some mofifications. Let me show:

(The UMI-S27 sheet was a pain in.... the red parts are matt, thick and rigid as a cartboard, but very fragile, the black areas are thin and a pleasure to work with, the white decals are in the average.... I know UMI sets are very different but here I have 3 qualities in a sheet... well I done it at last, some touch up needed and I'll clearcoat and than play with matt on black areas)

Yellow is a kind Renault 358 Jaune competition mixed by Zeropaints: fantastic like ever the service and the product.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5891.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5892.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/CIMG5893.jpg

Now take a look at this image:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/gionc/alpine%20renaut%20a442b/lemans-1978-24h-ph-0142.jpg

you'll see a different cut of the body in the pilot's area (over the pilots names) , a couple of naca intakes near the big calberson logo in the side, and the superior intake in the engine's hood is replaced by a naca....

The only modification I noticed before are the dressed mirrors and in the spoiler mount's design...

Someone would help with a discussion about? I guess isn't impossible but hard do something now.... sh## I hate compromises!!!!

Someone would help with a discussion about? I guess isn't impossible but hard do something now.... sh## I hate compromises!!!!

Hi,

I,ve got a bad english so I give you this pic. I hope this can help you.
The A442 Calberson was aero package as in 1977.

http://www.mcestoril.pt/le-mans/imagens/1978/49-48.jpg
Copyright Paul Kooyman