Combined Completed/Gallery Subforum

So, I've closed the thread on our successful Motorsports forum, what’s next on the agenda? :) I'm sure many of you saw the suggestion by voyager about a combined completed forum for all models.

The idea is: finished pictures of race, rally, street, show, musclecars, hotrods, drifters, lowriders, etc, etc can all come together in one forum. The separate sections still remain as purely WIP sections. As each project is finished the originator can post a link (and maybe a teaser pic) at the end of the WIP thread to the new thread in the completed section.

Like it? Loathe it? Any concerns it will have any negative impact on the working of the current subforums?

I think it’s a nice idea to have all the completed models in one thread. It gives the viewers an area to just go to and at least view models, meaning they do not have to trawl through endless threads of WIP. It also takes away the problem of those who do not follow motorsports, or street missing out on some splendid builds.

But, I think the sub forum needs to be tightly policed.. Not draconian style, but I think the completed thread should contain a minimum of say 4 x 800 x 600 pictures, in medium compression, with a max of say 15..?? Or even 1024 x 768…??

I’m so fed up with opening up completed threads, and I can’t see anything hardly. The idea of viewing a model is for enjoyment, not much enjoyment if you’re squinting all the time. Camera phone pictures are some of the worst, I do not profess to being a pro photographer, but I make an effort to get something posted so as you can see the model as it’s meant to be viewed.

There are some stunning models being shown just lately, with some stunning pictures being taken, but there has been one or two severely let down by pictures that look like something from CCTV footage. It really ruins the enjoyment… You see a thread title, you think. Ah I’d like to see that, and then you get a picture so fuzzy, you just leave the thread wondering why you’d bother…


Anyhow I think it’s a good idea, I don’t think it’s going to distract too much, and a group area for completed models would be cleaner, the completed model threads will not drop of the page so fast, and so the focus on them could be more, meaning viewers will get the chance to see them, before lost in a sea of WIP threads.

Well another subforum......I don't know, but this one sounds interesting if it will be done properly (just a suggestion) because it will be a lot of trouble for moderators and I don't know if it is possible for forum to take it in that kind of form but I believe it could be done (so to cut the crap).
Every finished model should be named by the name of the car (bike, truck etc.) for example Subaru Impreza......bla bla or Honda RC211V....bla bla or Chevrolet Impala......bla bla
Once done sorting them alphabetically would be perfect so anyone could easily find what they are looking for.
Just my humble opinion.

Over at Scale Sprints,the sprintcar modeling website,they have a thread for finished models only.It works well.You can look at finished models and not have to look through thr progress if you don't want to.It is a small forum compared to this one.You would need to have vigilant policing of the rules here for it to work.

I'm pro the merged "Finished Subforum"

I'm not worried about names, sizes, quality: as you all could notice whe have pro-photographer and blurried phone pics toghether: I guess anyone make his better but newbbes wiewing some great pics as in the Hiroboy photo HowTo (Why it's still out of HowTos?) could be motivated to learn something to improove pics quality.

Thanks guys, some nice ideas there too.

No doubt the new forum will need a guidelines sticky setting out suggested size limits and what-not. A link to Hiroboy's photography studio thread wouldn't be a bad idea as well. :)

Since the new forum will be all completed threads there will be no need for the completed/finished prefix in the thread title. Titles can then simply be the model name, which will enable people to sort the forum by title if they so desire.

I'm not so keen!
I think the problems everyone comented on before still stand. i.e. there will be millions of skylines finished for every motorsports build, as such the motorsports will disappear from the bottom of the page pretty quickly.
I do like the idea of seperating finished from WIP but to do for each forum would mean 6 subs overall (too many).

Just my two pence worth, I'll quite happily go along with whatever is decided, this is the only forum I visit so I have no basis for comparison!

A lot of people seemed to suggest in the last discussion that they only want to look at builds of cars they're personally interested in, and prefer to have their selections pre filtered for them. Is this really how people choose what builds to look at, mostly by subject the matter? I totally don't get that. There are many builders in this forum that can build whatever they want, and whatever it is I'll watch with keen interest. I know that I'll see terrific building, an entertaining thread, or both. This is why I come to this forum, not because it's full of people who build models of my particular favorite category.

I think that combining everything into a finished area and leaving street/show and motorsport divided as progress areas would be an excellent compromise.

I think it's obvious that people only look at builds they are interested in!

I think the key is in your own post, most people like to look at their favourite threads, only you "totally don't get that"

Is it really that important? At the end of the day the posts will keep coming and people will still choose which to view as they see fit.

MPWR, as you said, not an attack on you in any way, maybe came across wrong, just trying to play devils advocate!

I dont like the idea at all, I am interested in motorsports and only occasiionally look at the street section, there may be some great builds that I miss but so what, great builds of a model that doesnt interest me.

If people are looking at improving the forum, maybe limit the number of in progress threads per person? I have watched a lot of interesting work started here only to go dead when the person moves to other models, in progress is ok but the finished work is surely our object?

If people are looking at improving the forum, maybe limit the number of in progress threads per person? I have watched a lot of interesting work started here only to go dead when the person moves to other models, in progress is ok but the finished work is surely our object?

Thats like telling members they have to pay $1.00 to post now. This isnt a wireless plan where you have to pay for a certain number of messages. I think people should be allowed to post as many different projects as they wish. That brings much greater coverage to the forum with a much wider variety.

Whats wrong if the project dies? Modelers build and dont finish many times. I in fact start more projects than I have ever completed. The reason is I like to see how an idea looks, and once I've seen it I'm usually through with it. This implies for people build models with lots of body modifications.

In your opinion in progress is not what you look for, however I personally get more out of seeing something being built than something built. That way I can see how people go about building something and learning something new. Often times you see more of the model in a progress thread than completed pictures because each part is show as its assembled. Once again, this implies to projects that arent built straight out of the box.

Now for anyone complaining that they only like a certain genre of modeling, its not that hard to sift through the threads. I do it everyday. Granted, I look at many threads, but if I see something that doesnt interest me I dont go back and look at it. If I dont want to look at a Skyline, I dont open that thread. My loss, not anybody elses. I cant blame anybody because I didnt take the time to open a great build.

What I tought is really we haven't this trouble, or, at least, we could try: how many finished model we have in a week? few models for each subforum. I don't feel this antaghonism from the two subf. and I visit each, what I see is a target difference: motorsport user is (for my impression but it may be wrong) a bit aged and mature compare the average in the street subf: if we have kids in AF they're in the street sub I guess. Isn't?

So? To me is probably we could have more finished stuff in the MS section, exactly the opposit that people (you) say. And at least we have few finished models to let everyone could be in the first page for days.

BUT: the chance is another: think how much tread you discovered after lost WIPs, only becouse someone post a link o for a fortuit case: isn't a great thing have a "summarize" togheter?
And at least if you don't care the million of skylines (that I love) don't care also if your great ipothetic finished FW011 come in the second page following a skyline's gang: what is important may be the suffiss is for ST street and SP sport or something different so you'll check immediately, may be with the title color: red for Sport, black for street

Ooops. Last thing we want here is antagonism between the subforums. What we hope to do is bring them together by having a common Showcase/Gallery where we can sit around and look at each others stuff. Imagine the WIP subforums are workshops where we toil away before holding our creations up to the light. Seeing those completed models might inspire people to look deeper into the goings on in different workshops.

Remember we want to brign people together, expanding horizons not naval gazing. I know AF has done that for me, I'd never have considered building road cars a few years ago, but thanks to what I saw on AF I give it a try, had a lot of fun, learnt some lessons, won some trophys and consider myself a better builder for it.

I had intended to move this discussion to the main section after a day or so but I think I'll do it now

I think it's obvious that people only look at builds they are interested in!

I think the key is in your own post, most people like to look at their favourite threads, only you "totally don't get that"

Is it really that important? At the end of the day the posts will keep coming and people will still choose which to view as they see fit.

The part I don't get is whether the type of car is the most important thing in determining if someone will find a build interesting. For me, it's only one of several factors in determining if I'll find a build interesting, and not the most important. Obviously I, like everyone else, will look at my favorite threads. But the fact that a thread is or is not a motorsports build is not what makes it a favorite thread for me.

I often see fabulous builds on AF of cars that I wouldn't look twice at if I saw them on the street. To find these builds, I have to look beyond the genres of automobiles that I consider my favorites. Therefore, breaking AF down into genres of subjects is not very useful for me. I'm more interested in seeing great builds of model cars than I am in seeing models of cars I like.

Maybe I am in the minority, and the subject matter of a model is much more important to most people than me. If so than as a minority, I will have to get along with what the majority decides. But right now I am wondering, is subject matter the most important factor in determining if people will be interested in a build- and if it isn't, why is breaking builds down by subject matter useful?

Lurchio- I didn't make my first post above in response to yours. It was not my intention to come across as hostile or critical of you or anyone else.

I like the idea. There aren't nearly enough models finished here to have one type of car drop like a stone while another floats around at the top. Sure, there probably will be cars that stay longer up top, but I imagine all builds will get a few days on the main page of the Completed section. And, as Rallyraider says, hopefully people will go check out the build process if they are interested. I think it will be a good way for everyone to have an opportunity to see everything more easily. And I like the idea of it being a showcase, while the other subforums are workshops. I like it quite a lot, actually. However, I would hate to see some myriad of rules laid down. Sure, the bad camera phone pictures are obnoxious, and unclear thread titles are a disservice, but most people get told "Hey, if you took better pictures I could comment more," and perhaps a lack of comments will be an impetus to get a new camera. These sorts of problems sort of solve themselves, and in the grand scheme of things, are a pretty small aspect of it all.

Also, Mike, I think you meant applies, (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=applies) not implies. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=implies)

Well,

Obstinate or not, I like the idea. I’m fed up with trawling through hundreds of WIP, to find a completed thread. But, upon saying this, the motorsports section does move slower, so picking out completed threads is slightly easier then the street or show etc..

And, we all start models, only to get fed up, or distracted and never finish them. I can name a few right now who’ve done this, but I won’t… I’m one of them. Some of them who do this are good builders as well. Steve (Hiroboy) has posted a few times on how to also prepare pictures. That “should” be a sticky regardless. It’s good advice he’s given. Advice most, even me forget to take, and I wager some haven’t even bothered to read it.

So, a completed sub forum, where members can showcase their latest works is a good idea. It does take the completed model away from the virtual workbench, and puts them into a virtual showcase.

As for viewing models that only interest you, I don’t tend to do this myself, as I tend to build from the whole spectra so I enjoying looking at any type of scale auto model.

Anyhow, I’ve said my bit. I’ll just wait and see what happens.

Willimo I don't see any reason to lay down draconian rules. It will pretty much be as it is now except we'll come up with a burst to guide any newcomers. :) For instance it would be nice for the initial post in the completed thread to have a link back to the WIP thread. Not a requirement, just handy.

It's kind of interesting how this whole topic arose, has developed and the different (sometimes seemingly strong) opinions it has evoked.

For what it's worth I kind of feel that:

a) Any change should be made for a reason i.e the change should address a genuine problem or bring some genuine added value. So far, TBH, I have the feeling that this whole subject came about because the new hot-rod sub-forum answered a question that nobody had actually even asked ;) (in the sense that there was a real, significant demand for it - but maybe I am mistaken)

b) If heavy traffic in the street forum is actually a real and relevant issue ( by this I understand it to mean that there are so many new threads (not posts) appearing that relatively new ones are dissappearing into a black hole somewhere to be lost for eternity) then certainly the simple and elegant suggestion that has been made to have a seperate "Completed/Gallery" sub-forum should go a long way to resolve this. It should theoretically cut new threads by 1/3 if we assume that for every 2 progress threads started only one is posted as completed.
I have to say that personally, while I don't actually see the "disapperaing thread" issue as a problem, I do think that none the less a combined "Completed" sub-forum would be a nice idea and makes more sense than a e.g "hotrod" or "motorbike" or "Ferrari" or "WRC" forum.

Overall a forum, I guess, serves 2 basic functions:

1. Share ideas, techniques etc that help EVERYONE improve
2. Massage our egos by showing everyone how clever we've been and collecting as many "oohs" and "Ahs" as possible.

The proposed split should let us all have our cake and eat it.

c) At the end of the day - as can be seen in many of the posts - the whole "all for one and one for all" WIP forum lobby versus the "each to their own" lobby is actually all to do with subjective preference and therefore to my mind falls into is more about the Forum's philosophy and mission as defined by the owners/administrators. They should make the call. Whatever they decide to do some will like it, some won't at first but everyone will calm down in 2 weeks and get used to it. Ulitimately thread title and thread author will probably be the best measure of whether or not you wnat to enter a thread. But looking into threads - even those that are outside of your core field of interest - is free, you lose nothing but always stand the chance to gain something and to my mind is what a forum is all about

d) Post policing mentioned by Mick. Again it's a Forum culture/philosophy thing that falls to the Admin to decide the rules and "enforce" them. Some areas will be quantitative: image size and quality, use of punctuation (it's always possible to tell the diffeence between a non-native speaker who is trying his best and a sloppy native speaker) etc others will be more qualitative: image quality, should posts contain 15 pictures of the same shiny body at various glamorous angles? etc. Personally, I think that (based on my vision of a forum) there could/should be some slight improvement in this area.

e) I think our mods are good - even great, do a thankless job which is rarely appreciated and are intelligent, experienced modelers and I'm quite happy to go with their decisions (even if I don't agree with them ;) ) because it's highly improbably that they are going to do anything outrageous. Democracy is fine but someone's got to be boss :D

Sorry for the long blurge - I like this forum a lot for it's diversity and it was my right to post this and it's your right not to read it :lol:

EDIT 1: Sorry for all the mistakes in my post
EDITY 2: Sh*t I write slowly! By the time I finshed writing this, another 10 posts had appeared :D

The idea has been suggested and enthusiastically embraced by a number of members that project threads be divided into In Progress and Completed categories. This would hopefully have several cool benefits. One would be to slow down the speed with which build threads slide off of the front page of Street/Show. Another is that it would almost turn the In Progress areas into 'How to' workshops, and make Completed into a sort of gallery.

One of the things that will have to be decided is what differentiates an 'In Progress' thread from a 'Completed' one. If this restructuring happens, some lucky moderator is going to get to go through the great tome of Completed and In Progress threads, and divide them into one category or the other. Now would be a good opertunity to decide what the division criteria should be. We can also go into any guidelines to be suggested about posting in these categories.

If you have thoughts on whether or not this change should take place, if Motorsports should remain separate from Street, or anything else, please post them in other threads. This way we can address this particular question and hopefully come to a good decision on it.

So, what are your thoughts?

It`s good idea I think.

How about a motorbikes WIP subforum? :lol:

How about a motorbikes WIP subforum? :lol:

Is this a joke?? Why?

At this stage it is just a surprise, possibly even just a test. Something we were leading up to but were intending to be gentle about. Cat's out of the bag now...

Could be worse, how would you feel about an AF military modeling forum? :eek:

Man this new things happening AF is something else. :eek: Hope you enjoyed the debate guys, the Admins have spoken. AF Auto Art now looks like this:

Automotive Forums (top level) main page
- - Automotive Art
- - - - Car Modeling
- - - - - - WIP - Street
- - - - - - WIP - Motorsports
- - - - - - WIP - Muscle Car/Hot Rod
- - - - - - WIP - Motorbikes
- - - - - - Completed Projects/Gallery
- - - - Diecast Car Modeling
- - - - Sketching and Drawing
- - - - - - Non-Auto Art
- - - - Graphic Manipulation
- - - - Remote Control Cars

I wish I could hang around and start organising things but its 1:30 in the morning here and I have to go to bed. Stay calm, don't hyperventilate. :)

I like the Progress and Completed seperated.:)

it was fine the way it was:screwy:

And I expect it will be fine the way it is. We are still the same people who make this community a great place to be. Now we've just got a whole lot more real estate to hoon around in! :)

And I expect it will be fine the way it is. We are still the same people who make this community a great place to be

Yes for sure no argument here about that,
just giving my :2cents: on the layout lol

For the majority the division should be quite clear but there are many members who in the past have combined all their pics into one thread. In that case the common sense option (to me) would be to leave those threads in the WIP section. If the builder wishes they can post a new thread in the Gallery forum, in fact I'd encourage it.

Lovely. Now A/F is becoming Scale Autofied. Nothing simple can ever be left well enough alone.

:banghead:

I lost just few minutes and you'd done all that? Well I can't say I unlike!

Lovely. Now A/F is becoming Scale Autofied. Nothing simple can ever be left well enough alone.

:banghead:

Sorry you feel that way, just think of it as growing pains. We should be set up for quite some time now. No more nasty surprises around the corner... I hope. :lol:

Its not as bad as Scale Auto. I simply gave up on their forum, as you can’t do this, you can do that… So many sub forums, but this change is fine. I was a bit – Woah why the bike section. Not many build bikes on here. We have a few bike modellers but not as many as street or motorsport.

The bike section is going to be a lonely place; indeed, I’m the only one, with exception to one twelve who is currently active with bikes I think. I’ve not seen many bike threads just lately.

I love bikes, and took the plunge the other month to start building them, got a taste for them now. Oh well, as long as it doesn’t all turn to worms, it should be OK. The completed section was needed I feel. Regardless, you can’t please everyone. Some don’t like change, I just recommend to give it a go, it might grow on you.

so who moves all the threads in their correct sub forum?? :iceslolan

I like it but I would change the order:
1. Street
2. Motorsports
3. bikes
4. Hot Rod...

and finally
5. completed

so who moves all the threads in their correct sub forum?? :iceslolan Your wonderful Car Modeling Moderating crew. ;)

At this point, I'd like to send out a heartfelt "Thanks!" to every member that thought to put "Completed" in their thread title!! :uhoh:

Thanks for the new look. I like it. I know not everyone will be pleased, but most people don't like change. I think this will be a success! Well Done!!

I for one think the new look is great, especially the section just for bikes, it makes it a lot easier to find the kits that I like the most.
10/10
Keep up the good work.

Can we have a "Commercial vechicle" section too, please?

I have just bought some great Revell trucks and trailer kits now don't have anywhere to post them :(

Please advise.

I told this to Mike, and I'll tell everyone else.

I was okay w/the base forum, and having WIP/Street, WIP/Motorsport, and Finished/Gallery. If we were going to get more forums, at least this sounded the most appropriate. Even though I think that the original ONE forum for everything was just fine.

Now we get "surprised"!!! with two more subdivisions.

So say what you will; I think you've gone and overcomplicated something that was very simple, and you are most thoroughly on the course of Scale Autofication (aka subdividing to the point of nausea) of the site. You now can subdivide all you want at anyone's whim. Totally unnecessary IMHO; I had absolutely no problem finding anything when there was only ONE forum for model cars, not the current SIX. If this site were setup so you could change the view to only show what's new in all the forums that would be great; that's how I can keep up w/Scale Auto without having to open so damned many doors just to peek inside.

After motorsports/street were subdivided I found out quite by accident I was missing a number of great models simply because they weren't presented as easily as before. Rather than increasing visibility, I think you're limiting it. I think what this does only helps those who occasionally visit the site; those who look at it daily have absolutely no trouble finding new posts! It's not like there are 5 new pages of models every day, usually it's much less than a single page. So you're helping those who contribute the least is the way I take it, and making it harder for those who visit daily to see all of what is new. Not to mention having to move improperly posted threads will become more common.

I don't like it.

- - - - Car Modeling
- - - - - - WIP
- - - - - - Completed/Gallery

That would be simple enough. No favoritism, no special treatment to the pathetic whiners.

>RallyRaider
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/hirofkd/misc/fired.jpg
:evillol::evillol::evillol:
Sorry, local joke.

I don't like it.

- - - - Car Modeling
- - - - - - WIP
- - - - - - Completed/Gallery

That would be simple enough. No favoritism, no special treatment to the pathetic whiners.

>RallyRaider
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/hirofkd/misc/fired.jpg
:evillol::evillol::evillol:
Sorry, local joke.


You are my new HIRO :evillol: :lol:

Hi guys,

first of all I wanted to say thanks to everybody that supported my little idea from the last discussion and the ones who created the completed section in record time :wave:

A few little things, though:

I suggested the completed section because i like the diversity of builds on AF. As I said, I seldom went to the motorsports section and sure missed out on some really great builds (and learning potential for that matter) :uhoh:

I think splitting the forum in further subdivision is not the best way to go, so here comes another idea for improvement:

- NO extra bikes section -> racing bikes should be included in the motorsports
section (because bikesport(?) is motorsport, isn't it?) and street bikes should be posted in the street section.

-NO extra muscle/hotrod section -> drag cars and such could be posted in motorsports, the others in street...

...thus having only the sections

- WIP motorsports (cars, bikes, etc....you name it)
- WIP street (everything considered beeing a street build)
- completed (for everything....as is now :thumbsup: )

I just do not like the vast selection of subcategories in other forums - but I DO like the way AF is (and was) with only a (very) limited number of categories, but a great diversity within them.

I hope you all understand my intention, if not please ask!

Cheers from Germany (where it is way too cold :crying: )

PS: :sorry: for the long post

edit: hmmm....looks like zoomzoom-mx5 was faster than me.

....Rather than increasing visibility, I think you're limiting it. I think what this does only helps those who occasionally visit the site; those who look at it daily have absolutely no trouble finding new posts! It's not like there are 5 new pages of models every day, usually it's much less than a single page. So you're helping those who contribute the least is the way I take it, and making it harder for those who visit daily to see all of what is new. ...


That just about sums it up, IMHO.

In all this, I am missing the "why". Even if it's just a "'Cos Igor likes it that way!" I'd undestand but this....

It's no distater for sure, but I'm sure going to see how much thread traffic REALLY moves to the new sub-forums.

Guys I have a lot of respect for your job&skills but I start to be annoyed from all the words in that threads: you're still repeating the same words from the start. So no matter to be worried by a new situation, compare the knowed old: yes you know the Scale Auto but it isn't the AF or we're here just for an accident? I guess not: it's a choice.
And I admit: I changed my point of view from few days ago: the reason is also becouse i think this matter isn't a vital thing to debat: what I love is the common finished section, for the rest... we'll try. Honestly I don't love bike and muscles separated sub. but I can't find argument to condemn this choice: after a trial we could have some item to debat.

Hiroaki: I can say you're one of my modelling heroes: I follow you from much more time than the AF but please don't be ambiguos with jokes: say what you want out of theet or simply joke, the average way couldn't make good to nobody. But at least I guess Phil have much more ironic spirit than me.

Hoping to be clear with my crappy english.

ciao
giovanni

Can we have a "Commercial vechicle" section too, please?

I have just bought some great Revell trucks and trailer kits now don't have anywhere to post them :(

Please advise.

Er, really? Wouldn't commercial vehicles go just fine in Street? I'm afraid I've recently lost the ability to tell when people are kidding or not....

good, but I'm still not a fan of the hotrod section. THose hotrods are street legal cars yes? So W.I.P. motorbikes, W.I.P. streetlegal and W.I.P.racecars... that should be ideal.

I'm with Klutz_100- the Completed/In Progress split could be really cool. But as for the others, I would really just like to know why. The "if it's not broken don't fix it" argument seems like a good one- but it got fixed anyway. And no one really seems to be coming forth and explaning why....

I'm with Klutz_100- the Completed/In Progress split could be really cool. But as for the others, I would really just like to know why. The "if it's not broken don't fix it" argument seems like a good one- but it got fixed anyway. And no one really seems to be coming forth and explaning why....

Cause the admins were bored?
I think we will find the extra subdivisions marginalize the bikes and rods as most of us won't even go to them

...thus having only the sections

- WIP motorsports (cars, bikes, etc....you name it)
- WIP street (everything considered beeing a street build)
- completed (for everything....as is now :thumbsup: )


I totally agree with that! I don´t see the need for seperating bikes and muscle cars, too.

Instead of this i would like to remind of an other Section which should be added: a kit Reviews section. There already was a thread about this and many board members seam to like this idea, according to the poll.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=485612

yea, i'd like a commercial vehicle section too, i have a big project planned. full design work too!

All this changing is giving me a migraine....maybe I should post in the classifieds for a bottle of Tylenol.

This is going to take some time to get used to. I just hope it isn't all cluttered like the ScaleAutomag forums:( I've seen multiple threads of the same model, in different sections b/c some people just can't figure out where they should go.
And like hiro said
I don't like it.

- - - - Car Modeling
- - - - - - WIP
- - - - - - Completed/Gallery

Why not have a whole seperation of marques next in the sub-subforums.
like...German cars-Italian cars-Japanese cars-American cars-Japanese cars made in US-German cars made in Mexico-US cars made in Japan(maybe?)
Sounds crazy right? How about for a sub-sub-subforum...we have location of builder, then car marque? How deep can this go? Which stores each models were brought from? AMT, Revell, Revellogram, PL, Aoshima, Tamiya, Fujimi seperate threads? How deep can we go?

I too miss the old AF:(

P.S. I think Ray and I could get a special Suby subforum also? Then have that broken down into rally cars. Then even more, into the years, drivers, liveries. ;)

Commercial would be street I guess....unless it's an offroad not intended for street use, that would make it a motorsports build....or what? Hmmm....just put it on a street legal trailer, towed by a street legal truck and it's strictly street :screwy: :icon16: :uhoh: :naughty: :evillol: or just 2/3 street????? (just kidding)

Come on guys...anything streetlegal should be in the street section. Any other builds should be considered individually...it's not that hard - you have experience because it has been like that ever since I began following AF.

Cheers SEB

I like the motorsports sub-forum, as that is pretty self-explanatory, but the rest of it is kind of a mush together. Part of what makes a certain magazine's forum suck (And it's not the people there, Frank....) is that there are over a dozen different sections. There's muscle cars, hot rods, tuners, racing, trucks, bikes, dioramas, classified, etc. It's all just too much. Plus the forum itself looks hideous and the software doesn't work well.....

Ok this is just getting silly. I liked street/ motorsport division but now its getting out of hand. I want to see Complete Motorsports in the Motorsport section. That why you title it complete. I give up. yet another perfectly fine board completely screwed up.:screwy:

Ok this is just getting silly. I liked street/ motorsport division but now its getting out of hand. I want to see Complete Motorsports in the Motorsport section. That why you title it complete. I give up. yet another perfectly fine board completely screwed up.:screwy:

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This has gotten totally out of control. I think I was one of the first to answer Rally Raiders original thread and as I stated then THE ONLY REASON I RARELY GO TO THE STREET FORUM WAS IT TOOK ME PERSONALLY!!! too long to go through and find the models of my personal interest which happened to be Muscle cars and hotrods. The reason I don't have the time to spend searching is purely work related which has unfortunately taken over my life at the moment stopping me from actually building. I have to sneak a look now and then while at work like now. Leaving everything as it ORIGINALLY was before this discussion started BUT simply adding the combined, Finished /Completed Forum would solve the problems for everyone. People like me could log in when we get a chance and go straight to the Finished section to see what we have missed out on and then if a particular model caught your eye then go to the appropriate In Progress forum/Thread and read about it. Skylines (example only - not an attack) are not my personal favourite but I have models of them and I will always follow a thread by Hiroboy etc when they build one as I know I will always pick up some new idea or tip I can use on one of my models (When I get the Time) This sniping between the forums is just stupid. We are all modellers and unfortunately some of us don't don't appreciate the wealth of information available here on AF. Unfortunately some dont have as much patience as others to find what they want. Me - I sometimes have to log on 3 or 4 times and carry on browsing from where I last was to find that particular model that catches my eye BUT I don't give up. It just depends on how much time I have at the instant I log on as to whether I continue looking or flick over to Scale Auto to narrow down the search time for a particular model in a particular category.
I hope this bickering all ends soon and we can all learn to live with each others likes and dislikes.
Cheers
Tony

I'm with voyageuer, still. WIP Motorsport, WIP Street, Completed. But, I'm a big boy, and I can deal with all these little subforums. It will give me places to look that I don't normally look when work is slow, I've got some time to kill, and I've run out of internet. I come here strictly because of the people here, the builders here, and the amazing builds here. The models and the talent here far outstrip any other forum I've been to (sorry to anyone who has a personal interest vested in other forums) because of the wide diversity of builders here. This place is just amazing, and will remain that way no matter how many sub forums we have. As long as the subdivisions don't run anyone off - but I imagine the hardcore builders will stick around.

Hiroaki: I can say you're one of my modelling heroes: I follow you from much more time than the AF but please don't be ambiguos with jokes: say what you want out of theet or simply joke, the average way couldn't make good to nobody. But at least I guess Phil have much more ironic spirit than me.Oh, no it's 100% joke, loud and clear. People in the States know that for sure.

It's a stock phrase in the TV show called The Apprentice, hosted by Donald Trump. It's a reality game show that takes place in pseudo-reality environment, and pretty much every contestant gets crewed out by the host in one way or another. It's not meant to attack one particular person.

My honest feeling is that regardless of Phil's rationalization, what he says and what he does give me the impression that he's clueless about what's going on, so "if" he were on the show, Trump would have crewed him out, and that was my sarcasm. But I'm no freakray, so I'd better restrain myself.

Phil, honestly I didn't mean to insult you. I was just poking fun, that's all.

I was writing a lengthy explanation of why sub-division doesn't benefit the forum as a whole, but after seen 5 sub forums...I gave up because further discussion is pointless. It's sad that the forum has become a personal playground of certain individuals, but at this point I should just accept what's available. It's not that the forum is gone, or someone's thread got axed for no reason, so I can move on. I believe that's more mature way of dealing with the problem. I'll just wait for the next moderator to take charge, and hope things won't be this bad.

Clueless as I am, I can't help but remind people that this is AF, not the Anti-ScaleAuto forum.