Eurosport factory visit pics

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Le Man

05-27-2006, 02:06 PM

amanichen

05-27-2006, 02:21 PM

Now it makes sense when GM and company say that the muffler is a crumple zone...it's quite large.

Peloton25

05-27-2006, 02:43 PM

First of all - AWESOME!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Brands Hatch was held on Sept 8th in 1996. Given that info...

The Yellow chassis must be #060 which is more than likely the one that has been seen in Japan. It was the 47th car completed and the last road car of 1996.

The Silver chassis beside it should be Ralph Lauren's #055 given the build sequence. It's shown as being the 46th car completed.

The dark blue car seen in the build process close to completion is more than likely #052 listed as being painted "Dark Blue Mica". It was the 45th road car completed.

The brighter blue car on what appears to be an alingment machine is most likely #048 listed as having been painted "Brilliant Metallic Blue". It was (you guessed it) the 44th road car completed. I'm betting that's the car we have some photos of in Monaco (I think) seen wearing French plates.

It's really anyone's guess which silver F1 that is sitting behind #048 it in what appears to be completed form. The first silver car ahead of those in the production line would have been #049 (some cars were built out of order of their chassis numbers for those not familiar), but that F1 was painted "Mercedes Brilliant Silver" which IMO this color looks too dull to be. Prior to that #047 was built in "Magnesium Silver" - the 41st road car built. However, both of those silver cars are shown as having been completed at the beginning of 1996 (#047 was the first car completed that year) ahead of all but one of the 1996 GTRs and the 5 customer F1 LMs so I doubt they'd still be hanging around the factory 7-8 months later.

>8^)
ER

McLaren F1 Guy

05-29-2006, 04:42 PM

That Dark Blue Mica looks incredible. Shame they didn't make more of those. Thanks for the pics!

Peloton25

05-29-2006, 05:33 PM

Yeah - and that's with a thin film of protective plastic covering the paint. Imagine what that car must look like out in the sunlight all waxed up.

Another F1 I would really love to see good photos of is George Harrison's Dark Purple Pearl #025. I recently made contact with a friend of a friend of his son Dhani, and I requested that he try to get me some pictures of the car. I don't have high hopes that anything will materialize from that, but I do have my fingers crossed.

>8^)
ER

SD F1

05-29-2006, 10:03 PM

Hey P, So how much money do we need to raise to get you to publish your F1history book! Come on you know you want to do it! I am confident that we could get GM and Ron's permission! Besides, who else besides Mclaren Group has this much information.

WFG

BTW have you heard from that wise old tinkerer lately?

cabrio92

05-30-2006, 03:51 AM

Hello,

first, a big "bravo" to LeMan :) It is very nice to share this with us. I hope to see more soon !

I'm betting that's the car we have some photos of in Monaco (I think) seen wearing French plates.

Ahhhhhh Erik, I can't wait for the pics ! I never seen a french F1 ! Hurry up please:lol:

Phil

Peloton25

05-30-2006, 04:16 AM

demon348 posted these shots over on Supercarfrance.com, but I believe some or all of the pics were actually taken by Phil75:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/th_img22822_m.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/img22822_m.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/th_img22823_m.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/img22823_m.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/th_img22824_m.jpg (hhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/img22824_m.jpg)

I must correct myself though. I mistakenly assumed these were French license plates due to the "FR", but after looking on the web I discovered they are actually Swiss plates. :redface: I guess the "FR" stands for "Fribourg" - my apologies for getting your hopes up. :disappoin

Hopefully you can ask Phil to share the others at a larger size and confirm where he took them. My French is not as good as your English. :grinno:

>8^)
ER

cabrio92

05-30-2006, 04:28 AM

Hello Erik,

you're very quick to answer ! Thank you.
It's ok for the plate, I talk with Phil75 on these shots, I remember it's Cannes or Monaco.

It is very sad Phil75 and you have not msn because we could not arrange a minichat where he shows his pics and we talk about :( we could progress in the puzzle !
He sent me many pics but it is too long to talk about each on the forum !

Phil

Le Man

05-30-2006, 02:51 PM

Hi guys, Glad you all like the factory pics. Found two more TV articles, with factory pics. Will post some pics soon.

That will mean some more chassis no's for Erik to clarify, I do believe one is the George Harrison F1 in biuld.

Blue is my favorite colour, so if anybody can post F1's in any shade of blue they will be greatly appreciated.

Peloton25

05-31-2006, 12:29 AM

Yes, blue is a great color for the F1 no doubt. :cool:

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2497284d.jpg

Thanks to joe911 for the awesome pic of #040. :thumbsup:

I should mention that the owner of this car seems fairly intent on another repaint, and this time the color won't be blue. Can't wait to see what he comes up with and also what his final wheel choice is like.

>8^)
ER

Le Man

05-31-2006, 01:59 PM

Ace pic Erik, Many thanks to Joe 911 as well, 040 looks perfect as it is, especially with all that other road junk around it.(sheds and clunkers)

Does anyone have some hi res shots of 011 blue HDF, Please post!!

mini magic

05-31-2006, 02:05 PM

Interesting that he won the "F1" plate. It was up for auction a few months ago and people were estimating its probably one the most valuable plates ever sold. Here is some info i found on the auction below:

DESPITE rumours that playboy Eddie Irvine was in the buying race, the number plate F1 failed to reach its reserve at auction in London yesterday.It was the first registration plate issued in Essex and belongs to Essex County Council, which had used it on the council chairman's car since 1904.
However, a suitable buyer - such as Mr Irvine or somebody else with Formula One-sized bank balance - couldn't be found and the number plate remains with the council, which was selling it to raise funds.
Although the Co Down man is well known for his champagne lifestyle, even he must have thought that the 101-year-old plate was a little on the pricey side - there was speculation that the reserve could have been as high as £350,000.
The plate went under the hammer at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in Chichester along with racing memorabilia.
Jon Baddeley of auctioneers Bonhams had forecast: "As a result of its worldwide appeal, we expect the F1 number plate to fetch a six-figure sum."
Another plate owned by Essex County Council - 1F - did sell, an unnamed telephone buyer forking out £144,500.
Had the F1 plate been snapped up, it was expected to become the world's most expensive. In 1993, a number plate reading K1 NGS was bought for £231,000 by the Sultan of Brunei.
While Eddie Irvine mightn't have his buyer power, the former race ace could still no doubt become the owner of the F1 plate should it make another auction house appearance.

Peloton25

05-31-2006, 02:10 PM

Interesting that he won the "F1" plate. It was up for auction a few months ago and people were estimating its probably one the most valuable plates ever sold.

Actually joe911 said he did that in MSpaint. :tongue:

>8^)
ER

hurstg01

05-31-2006, 02:12 PM

Actually joe911 said he did that in MSpaint. :tongue:

>8^)
ER

Great plate for the car though, ultimate poseability!!!

mini magic

05-31-2006, 02:20 PM

Actually joe911 said he did that in MSpaint. :tongue:

>8^)
ER
Ahhh

Le Man

06-01-2006, 01:53 PM

Peloton25

06-01-2006, 02:37 PM

More good stuff. :thumbsup:

A little harder this time to figure out which cars are which, but the white one should be #031 this time around.

Hard to tell if the first two shots show a purple car or a carbon one, but that would either be Harrison's #025 or chassis #024 which was painted Carbon.

The silver car with the partial interior could be #033 listed as being painted "Base Silver".

The tan/grey car looks to be the color known as "Dark Silver" but there wasn't a dark silver car built in that range. The "Brazilian Brown" car was finished around that time, but this color looks too light to have been what that was described as.

Black car on the road wearing the 'K4 MCL' plate is #003.

>8^)
ER

ArchangelGTR

06-01-2006, 08:49 PM

Le Mans you have a treasure of fantastic McLaren related items! I've been meaning to thank you but can't find the word to do so.. I humbly thank you for sharing.

Le Man

06-02-2006, 12:21 PM

Many thanks for your kind words Archangel, It is a pleasure to share my collection of McLaren treasure!! with like minded enthusiasts, (I even have some of your pics listed!!) So far, I think we have only scratched the surface, Lots more to come.

Erik, The 2nd row 3rd pic, That interior looks more like a UPS truck, maybe this is the final colour for that chassis.

Is the base silver car with ox blood interior (#033) The crashed car, pictured in DA.

There is also another dark coloured car in the pics, but it is to hard to make out.

cabrio92

06-03-2006, 07:20 AM

Hello,

Lots more to come

We cannot wait leman :)
Can I ask you if you are related to McLaren Cars ?

Phil

NewyorkKopter

06-03-2006, 06:59 PM

beautiful pics. I never knew the exhaust system was so big....the blue F1 looks really nice.

Le Man

06-04-2006, 01:41 PM

Cabrio 92,

May I ask, what do you mean by "related to McLaren cars"

mini magic

06-04-2006, 01:59 PM

I think he was wondering if you work for McLaren Cars

Le Man

06-04-2006, 04:06 PM

I think he was wondering if you work for McLaren Cars

NO,

I was hopeful that he had found out, that I was somehow related by birth and was due a large inheritance (in the shape of an F1 road car) Shame!!!

In the last pics I posted, The gentleman in the white shirt is Derek Waelend, F1 Production manager and Mclaren's cost cutter. As you can read in this Car magazine article (Also with factory pics!!)

http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/1535/car13ep.th.jpg (http://img447.imageshack.us/my.php?image=car13ep.jpg) http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/7927/car25zd.th.jpg (http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=car25zd.jpg) http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6076/car34yp.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=car34yp.jpg) http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/4097/car46ty.th.jpg (http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=car46ty.jpg)

Please enjoy.

(once open, click again)

mini magic

06-04-2006, 04:21 PM

Cool article, thanks :)

Le Man

06-10-2006, 02:37 PM

mini magic

06-10-2006, 03:08 PM

cabrio92

06-10-2006, 03:19 PM

Hello,

very interesting again Leman ;)

First registered 1-09-99. Reg no F1 MCL (silver) This car is currently taxed in UK and due for renewal 1-10-06. Chassis# ???? (More than 107 built?)

Hmm, where you see the plate ? And could it be a rebuilt which replaces a car ?

Phil

Peloton25

06-10-2006, 05:20 PM

Thanks! I can't tell if the LM is XPLM or not, if it isn't then its probably LM3. The black car with HD kit is probably 069

Edit: The LM is probably not XPLM because i don't think McLaren would cover the plates up if it was one of their own cars

I've also never seen XP1 LM with the sliding windows fitted - another point that suggests this was probably LM3. Also the size of the plate and the orientation of the reverse/rear fog lamp suggest a UK vehicle and only 2 LMs have hung around there to my knowledge.

The black HD kitted car does appear to be #069 as the gap between the tailpipes is almost non-existant. Compare it with photos of #072 and #020 and there is an obvious difference you will see.

Two possibilities on the silver car seen in build in my mind - a major refit or the repair of a wrecked F1 - possibly #009 from Australia, though I'm not certain when that crash occurred?

>8^)
ER

Le Man

06-10-2006, 05:25 PM

Go here, and type in vehicle reg and make.

http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/index.jsp

Click on vehicle enquiry, click on next, type in details, click next.

You should then be able to view vehicle details. (But not on every reg no?)

Try most McLarens, you will see results for about half of them!!

Le Man

12-16-2006, 01:31 PM

Sorry guys for pulling this thread back up, but go to page 2 and check out the interior of #033. I am now sure, this is the car that is pictured in DA, that was crashed in Germany. (not unless anyone knows different)

Greg, You will also find some pics of #029 Brazilian brown metallic,(including interior) which I believe you are looking for.

hurstg01

12-16-2006, 02:10 PM

Greg, You will also find some pics of #029 Brazilian brown metallic,(including interior) which I believe you are looking for.

Top man!!! Another one to strike off my list!!

Peloton25

12-16-2006, 06:58 PM

Unless those photos are post-respray, I do not believe that's the Brazilian Brown car.

>8^)
ER

F1GTRUeno

12-17-2006, 06:48 PM

http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd0975se.jpg

would this be #073 in AMG Green Velvet?

F1GTRUeno

12-17-2006, 06:51 PM

The black car with HD kit is probably 069

not #072?

hurstg01

12-18-2006, 01:08 AM

The black HD kitted car does appear to be #069 as the gap between the tailpipes is almost non-existant. Compare it with photos of #072 and #020 and there is an obvious difference you will see.>8^)
ER

Good spot :thumbsup:
#020 -
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7696/2800479hhm3.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2800479hhm3.jpg)
#072 -
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/470/07213qe5.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=07213qe5.jpg)
#069 with no gap
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7651/06914cu2.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06914cu2.jpg)

Enzo308

12-18-2006, 02:21 PM

hurstg01

12-18-2006, 02:34 PM

Does anyone have the 2nd page of the CAR Magazine article in a larger version? I clicked on it, but it doesn't come up for some reason. the other pages are fine.
Thanks in advance.
Kevin S.
Orchard Park, NY
this one?
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1619/car25zdnz5.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=car25zdnz5.jpg)

Enzo308

12-18-2006, 03:32 PM

That's the one I needed - Thanks!
Kevin

Le Man

12-19-2006, 11:03 AM

http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pdvd0975se.jpg

would this be #073 in AMG Green Velvet?

Yes.........if Erik does not disagree otherwise!! :headshake

Peloton25

12-19-2006, 11:08 AM

Yes.........if Erik does not disagree otherwise!! :headshake

Full agreement, or is it fool agreement? :icon16:

Somewhere around here I even commented on some of the interior details that match #073 present day like the LM handbrake lever.

>8^)
ER

F1 monster

01-03-2007, 10:37 AM

Posted on pistonheads today...hope this is not a repost

Click here (http://www.carmovies.net/gallery/mclaren?page=1)

Peloton25

01-03-2007, 11:05 AM

Posted on pistonheads today...hope this is not a repost

Click here (http://www.carmovies.net/gallery/mclaren?page=1)

Definitely not a repost in my world, and those are awesome shots. I wish more people who've had this kind of opportunity would pull their old photos out of the drawer to share like this guy and our friend tak43 have. :thumbsup:

The silver car with the Citroen mirrors has to be #001. It has the circular instead of the U-shaped cutouts around the door button. While I am not positive which car was the last to be fitted with that Citroen-style mirror, I do know that the last car to have those circular indentations was chassis #002.

The black car in build (if not a refit) should be #072 which would dispell the possiblity that it was originally built with the HDF Kit fitted. That would make all of the HDF Kitted road cars refits which is an interesting fact. I was holding out hope that there was at least one original.

The silver car that is almost completed could be #069 or could of course be a refit of any other chassis.

That engine shot is one of the best I have seen. I'm left wondering which car that could be hiding under the cover though. Anyway, thanks for sharing!

>8^)
ER

hurstg01

01-03-2007, 12:33 PM

Posted on pistonheads today...hope this is not a repost

Click here (http://www.carmovies.net/gallery/mclaren?page=1)

Good find! :thumbsup:

Le Man

01-03-2007, 01:28 PM

Posted on pistonheads today...hope this is not a repost

Click here (http://www.carmovies.net/gallery/mclaren?page=1)

Excellent find F1 Monster :thumbsup:.

Ace pics..... Very clear shots, some of the best factory pics I,ve seen.

SD F1

01-03-2007, 01:33 PM

Any idea on the Chassis # of the Blue one behind and to the left of the covered F1? Erik, Le Man?

hurstg01

01-03-2007, 01:42 PM

Any idea on the Chassis # of the Blue one behind and to the left of the covered F1? Erik, Le Man?

The gallery is from 1998 - the last blue F1s were chassis #052 (1996) and #048 (again 1996), so my bet is that it isn't blue but black, and it could be chassis #072 as stated by Erik before

SD F1

01-03-2007, 01:58 PM

The gallery is from 1998 - the last blue F1s were chassis #052 (1996) and #048 (again 1996), so my bet is that it isn't blue but black, and it could be chassis #072 as stated by Erik before

You are probably right, just the light catching it the wrong way in that photo. Thanks.

WFG

Le Man

01-23-2007, 02:10 PM

hurstg01

01-23-2007, 02:58 PM

Top work Le Man (again!!) Please pass on my thanks to Paul

I'll pop the routine question - Do you know the chassis #'s in order of the pictures?

ERIK :1zhelp:!!!! Silver F1, pimp red interior, whats the chassis #?

cabrio92

01-23-2007, 03:48 PM

Hello,

many thanks to you and Paul ;)
What a dream to visit the factory especially near the start of production !
It's a shame McLaren doesn't leave group visit from AF...

As I have stated in the chocolate coloured F1 thread, called to see a friend at his retail/mail order outlet. He sells specialist scale model cars to collectors, which in his stock are some rare 1/43 and 1/18 Mclaren F1 GTR models. Please check out his site here www.autosportmodels.com

I don't see F1 at 1/18 :( I am looking for 1/18 F1 GTR mirrors, do you think he can halp me ?

Phil

Peloton25

01-24-2007, 12:26 AM

ERIK :1zhelp:!!!! Silver F1, pimp red interior, whats the chassis #?

Sure... put me on the spot. :lol2:

Given the timing of the visit, my guess is that this is chassis #033.

Chassis #013 was the last silver car produced in 1994, and was finished in the middle of the production year. Chassis #033 was the first road car produced in 1995 and would have been the first silver one at Genesis for quite sometime as there were 12 uniquely colored road cars produced in between those two road cars, plus they apparently built the first 4 GTRs before any 1995 road cars as well.

I don't think the red car in those images is #028, even given the close proximity in the build order. The chassis history poster notes it was finished 4 cars after #033, and the white F1 pictured here (which should be #031 without a doubt) is still barely a work in progress at that time. As many cars were completed out of order at this point, it's important to note that chassis #028 came five cars after #031, with one road car and three GTRs completed in between.

Also, the fact that the red car is already wearing a plate leads me to believe most likely chassis #004 or #021 in for servicing. There's really not enough detail to guess at that one with any more certainty in my opinion - I wish there was...

Back to silver cars built after chassis #013... we can be fairly certain it is not chassis #037, and while we don't know for sure what #038's interior looked like originally, I have never heard even the slightest rumor of it having been crashed. Our old friend XOTech seemed to know quite a lot about that car and I suspect he would have mentioned it (assuming he knew) that it had been rebuilt at some point in its life following a heavy crash.

After #038 the next silver car that was built was #042, but that didn't occur until mid-1995 which is probably too late to be considered. It's my understanding that #042 was not built for a customer, but instead became the Park Lane showroom car from the time it was built until almost two years later when Mr Beal purchased it. Chassis #040 was the next silver F1 to come along after that, but it should have been built with high mirrors and the earliest photos we have show it wearing polished wheels. I am also all but certain from reading posts made by flemke on PH.com that #040 was the car that replaced the wrecked one with the red interior, though I would be happy to be proven wrong on that if it meant I could learn something new. :)

Going back a ways - I spent some time closely comparing the video screenshots that LeMan has shared previously and it would not surprise me if these shots (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4511161&postcount=43) and these shots (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4512636&postcount=59) both show chassis #033 as well.

Of course our good friend Le Man has stated once that the F1 with the red interior is not #033 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4514390&postcount=65). :uhoh: Was there some fact not immediately evident that you were basing that on my friend? I never did ask before and now I am curious. :dunno:

There is someone I have been planning to speak with who definitely knows which car is the one with the red interior. I wasn't quite sure how to approach him as I don't want to put him off, but I will make doing so a priority now. Let's hope for the best! :thumbsup:

>8^)
ER

Le Man

01-24-2007, 04:42 AM

Hello,

many thanks to you and Paul ;)
What a dream to visit the factory especially near the start of production !
It's a shame McLaren doesn't leave group visit from AF...

I don't see F1 at 1/18 :( I am looking for 1/18 F1 GTR mirrors, do you think he can halp me ?

Phil

Hi Phil,

Put UT McLaren in the search box and you will find all the 1/18 GTR,s. As for the wing mirrors, I shall ask for you.

Le Man

01-26-2007, 03:03 PM

hurstg01

01-26-2007, 03:09 PM

:worshippy

Peloton25

01-26-2007, 08:48 PM

The clean versions of these images are really wonderful. I am so impressed. :)

I must admit, I do find that shot of the red interior car rather frustrating as you can see the chassis plate RIGHT THERE!, but can't make out a single detail on it. :frown:

I had thought the image we are using for reference on the master cylinders was also a white car, but it appears that's just white tape around the base of the windsheild. Could be #037 but who really knows.

Unfortunately the clearer versions of the shots of the red F1 provide no further clues to it's identity, but I stick by my theory that it must be #004 or #021.

I can't decide which shot I like the most of the set, but I am leaning towards this one at the moment:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8997/negative417011mk9.th.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=negative417011mk9.jpg)

It think it is the clearest and best quality image there is of the F1s drivetrain package. That one is the sharper focused of the two and really looks spectacular.

Please send Paul my "Thanks!" for allowing you to share them with us, and also a thanks to you for making the effort as well.

>8^)
ER

Noddy

01-27-2007, 05:44 PM

It think it is the clearest and best quality image there is of the F1s drivetrain package. That one is the sharper focused of the two and really looks spectacular.

Please send Paul my "Thanks!" for allowing you to share them with us, and also a thanks to you for making the effort as well.

>8^)
ER

Note the paper label on the cam cover that says "C27".

Peloton25

01-27-2007, 05:49 PM

Noddy

01-27-2007, 05:55 PM

I saw that, but it's interesting to note that there was no chassis #027. What would have been #027 became GTR #03R according to the chassis history poster included with "Driving Ambition".

I think it's safe to assume this engine package didn't end up in #03R since GTRs were not fitted with catalysts.

>8^)
ER
True dat. Interesting that more and more mystery develops - pretty soon we'll be seeing cars that can't possibly exist just like the Ferrari guys. Of course Jaguar and Lotus have never been noted for keeping accurate records either...

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