US Lancer Evo Update

Thanks for clearing things up for me on my other thread...

I was just talking about my Lancer interest on IRC and someone who stated he worked at a US Mitsubishi car dealer told me what he knew about the EVO US.

He said Mitsubishi is working on getting the Evo VII Full Sport edition to the US 2003, sporting a 280 HP engine and all in all pretty damn close to the real thing... And he said that with most options and all it will be arround 40k.. Which is music to my ears after hearing people spouting 70k etc... He could have been BS'in me but he sounded straght, I wish I logged it, or atleast could look up his domain/IP, but it was masked...

Anyways, if this is true, I'm definetely waiting til 2003... ;D

eek, 40k, thats still waaaaay too much. Thats a 15,000 dollar markup from the Japanese price! Well, there is a place on the net now where you can buy imported Evos at http://www.evolutionimports.net/. I'm gonna try them out before I go to a Mitsu dealership if the dealerships are gonna charge that much for an EVO. Jeez thats alot. I can't see how mitsubishi would justify that, even with import tariffs and stuff. Thats outrageous. Maybe there will actually be like 10 or 11k worth of options, but that seems unlikely.

well um the 1999 3000GT VR-4 costed around 44gs and it had 325hp in America

the 3000gt also had more complicated internals and 2 turbochargers instead of 1 (i think, don't know a whole lot about these cars) and were horrifically over-priced as well. Thats why they barely sold, and mitsubishi pulled the plug on selling the car in the states. I don't think they would be stupid enough to make the same mistake twice. Actually, aren't the Evos sold through actual mitsubishi dealerships throughout the world traditionally more expensive than privately imported ones (i.e. grey imports and ralliart)? I think this is more of a question for the people that live in the UK, but I seem to remember reading or hearing that somewhere.

They said that the Lan Evo would be coming here detuned, with 210hp.:( So that means it has to be much less than $40k. I guess the good news is that it should be easy to get that 66hp+ back.

motor trend has said lots of things about evos. All of them completely unproven.

it hassssss to be a little less than 30k!! darn iiiiiit!!!!!!



denial huh?:rolleyes:

It all has to do with global price policy. Cars prices in Europe are fairly high. This is due to the fact that the car manufacturers are trying to compensate the dump prices for the US market. So the basicprice for the car is already high. Add to that all kind of taxes and there you go.

Japanese cars on there home market are dirt cheap. Same as US cars in the US market. People in Japan also drive on the left. This means RHD models are made for that market. Because of the price policy (and the fct that the yen is pretty weak compared to the UKP) it's cheaper to do a personal import get a SVA (standard vehicle approval) and drive off. I haven't got a clue why the Aussies aren't more into this.

For mainland Europe this isn't an option. We drive on the right side of the road (same as you in the US). So we have to get our cars throught the official channels. Now the EVO wasn't officially imported in most countries. A maze in the import rules however made it possible to import it into the country where I live. But at a very high price. US$ 52,000. Ralliart UK still have some TM editions VI available at UKP 25,000. This is a lot less, but they haven't got the special taxes we in the Netherlands got (I had to pay US$8,000 extra because of luxery taxe on the car, not the mention the high salestax of 19%)


Nico

From what I heard:
the EVO will be here next year will the full hp rating or only slightly detuned
the car will be the same as in Japan other then some modifications to the bumper/intercooler
also if detuned it will only talk a little time and cast to get it back up to Japans specs

Okay, this is all i know for now, and all i can share... The Evo is DEFINETLY coming, April 2003 to be exact... It will most likely be de-tuned, i don't know by how much... The good news is easily reversed...
Sticker price will be over $26,000 but under $35,000... Body wise, there will be SLIGHT differences... Apparently Mitsu is having some serious issues fitting the intercooler under the US requirements for the front bumper...

As soon as i found out more, i'll be sure to share it with the rest of you...

in this months Sports Compact Car on pg. 128 they say that Mitsubishi will make the decision if they will bring the Lancer EVO VII to the U.S. by this fall

and on another page they were saying that rumours are it'll be 280hp

No it's definetly coming, unless by some force of nature things go wrong, nasty style... Power band though, it still remains undecided, more than likely it will be de-tuned to go with american laws, but from what i've heard it'll be a breeze to reverse that... =)

Infact in September - October Mitsu execs here in the states are having some kind of preview... Oh and they've got one here in Cyprus, it's a E6 but they're doing some extensive testing... =)

Why should i be detuned for? i dont get how they must detune it because when you look at Mazda Rx-8 its almost 280 hp and Nizzan Z car is around 250hp.. and look at the Acura Nsx it is 280hp..

If mistubishi can make a 3000gt 315 hp.. why not the Lancer evo?

I e-mailed the guys at www.evolutionimports.net they said that a Lancer Evo 5 would have a starting price at 35k. They said the reasont the price was so steep was because they only import left hand drive cars (cars in American style) and those are fairly rare. I've e-mailed them about Evo 6 and haven't gotten a reply yet...

If they only offer EVO V at the moment it means you're only getting 2nd hand cars. :eek: Be aware about the history of the car you get offered. Many will be raced with or will have been used a so called number 0 rally cars.

For US standards $35,000 for a 2nd hand EVO V is pretty steep.

They are right abour it beeing rare. I only know of 4 road going LHD EVO's in the Netherlands. They are all white.

Nico

We receive LHD Evo V and VI and VI Tommi Makkinen edition. There must be more than 30 in our little island. And I also think 35K for an Evo, is so much money. Take a look at an WRX, you will have more than 10k to put ads on, It surely will blow over 280hp with a few mods.
I know you guys would rather go with EVO over the WRX, I'm just using that model as a comparison. Don't bash me very hard.

:D

heh, if you yanks want evo7's you should come to New Zealand. We've had them for a few months now, and the coolest thing is, my dad bought one. Damn there sexy.

Yanks? that would be new yorkers...... but all of North America doesn't have evos

heheh, i'm being a jackass i know

I saw the news paper 2day & read mitsubishi article that they have received the new 2002 lancers whats up with these are they fixable to be japanese style HP or are they a lost cuase?????

Some input please!:D

They offer 7's(GSR, RS), 6's (GSR,RS, TM and 1 other), 5's (GSR,RS) and I think 4's (GSR,RS). But $35,000 for a used car is really steep... Way to much for my wallet.... :( But I'm going to be an engineer... $90,000 after 3 years... maybe then...

is their any company that imports evo's into america and makes them street legal? kinda like motorex with the skyline.

The current 2002 lancer is a gutless thing not even comparible to a evo. It's like 120 BHP and 2WD, not to mention looking pretty shitty and lacking all the aggessive details of an evo, and is pretty much an entry into the sedan world. The REAL ones will be out in 2003, AKA the evo VII's. 280 HP, no gutting.

You'll have to wait for it if you don't want to import.

how much does it cost to import one?

Man Cyphatic.. of course every model of any car does has a base model. And look in japan. Mitsubishi has a Lancer Cedia. that is just like the one which is coming to america. The reason is that they want to debut the base model which is 120hp only to america first.. Than that they can debut the EVO after that.. so that the Base model of Lancers can have the attention and the media.

Like a Corolla, Civic and Sentra and Protege they all have base models too.. i dont see the corolla rally version coming to america at all.

Yeah I just read my last post and that looked... a tad negative :P

Well yeah, it's still a decent car. You can pry tweak it and get it up past 200 anyways. But still, I wouldnt really compare it to the Evo VII. And anyways, a Civic is still a Civic :) Mwahahahah...

so anyone kno roughly how much it would cost to import an evo to the states? and is rhd legal in the us?

If you are serious about importing to US you don't have to get it RHD. They make the evo LHD. My country got like 10 evo V, maybe 15 evo VI and like 5 or 6 EVO VI TME, all LHD.

yea right hand doesnt bother me. it would actualy be kind of cool and would fuck with some people's heads. hehe

but yea i would like to kno how much it would cost.

read my posts on the this threads and visit www.evolutionimports.net for more info...

Hey, I checked out the site evolutionimports.net to see what they were offering the EVO VII at. Turns out they are planning to sell it for $52,000 (without the Ricardo seats) Also, the dude said that if you order it now it will be ready sometime in Jan. 02. The car will be packing 280-309hp depending on what octane gas you run 93-100. Plus it will be US standards approved. I think the price is quite steep. They will be coming with the EVOIX in 2003 which will be sold Aug. 2002 in the US. The car will be detuned to 230hp according to this rep. :flash:

lol...

what about evo VIII?

evoIX???? you skipped a gen. don't you mean evoVIII

IX=9
VIII=8
VII=7

It makes sense that they would come out with eight but in the US supposedly they are presenting them as EVO IX, but then again...that is what the guy said. But I am more amazed at the price that he set. It is quite amazing....at that price I can get a later model porsche... :flash:

Whoa!! Why IX? skipped VIII.. haha so maybe because 2002 is VIII and 2003 is IX..

well um.. the price.. 50g's? well an NSX and Skyline has arounde 280hp to 300hp.. and its 80gs.. so hmm..

its should be around 25-30gs like in japan

Wow! that is steep. the Lancer VII in Japan brand new costs 26,000 USD roughly. That's doubled! *blinks* For me at least, it continues to be a forbidden beauty... :(

I thought that when the car goes on sale here some time next year the price will be $25-32K, thats not that high if you aks me after all it is 280hp and AWD

Actually, the 280 ps (276 bhp). is a lie of sorts. all japanese manufacturers willing make their cars under 280 ps. However! most of the top cars (skylines, silvia's, lancer's, etc...) produce in excesss of 280 but limit that power with an engine chip. the EVO VII produces 350 hp but is limited with a chip. Weird, I know...

:greenchai That is what we need to do to the fools who detune these cars....what is the reason for doing this??? Why take away from the car why not give the consumer what he or she wants, doesn' that make more sense that people get a car that can give all what they paid for. The way I figure it, I think the domestic dealers enforce or call for these conditions so that they can sit on their desks and call their whole lot of crap cars an achievement.:monkeypis << that is what I think of the domestic garbage. They are the reason the gas price is so high:angryfire
Well anyhow, I hope they do bring the EVO VII with the 280hp engine...if not I guess I need to find that chip that can help give it back its stolen power.

Originally posted by Twist
Actually, the 280 ps (276 bhp). is a lie of sorts. all japanese manufacturers willing make their cars under 280 ps. However! most of the top cars (skylines, silvia's, lancer's, etc...) produce in excesss of 280 but limit that power with an engine chip. the EVO VII produces 350 hp but is limited with a chip. Weird, I know...

I have never heard of a chip but yes these car do tend to produce more then 276hp, in Japan there is an agreement that says they will not sell cars on the home market(japan) the produsce over 276hp. That is why cars sold in the US like the Q45 produce 340hp and soon that number will bumped to 400hp but in japan you never see a car rated over 276hp

However many of the super cars in japan produce power well over their given rationgs of 276hp, the skyline is said to make at least 300hp most likly closer to 350hp
the good news this agreement is soon going to be broken so then we will know how much power these cars really produce, the next NSX and Skyline both should have 400hp in top of the line form

Originally posted by focalBlur
I have never heard of a chip

A chip limiter is a common occurance. I don't think Sklyine's have 'em and I'm not totally sure about Lancer's (especially new ones). But many cars do a have an hp (ps) limiting chip. That's about all I know about it.. :P

hi guys, i am a very lucky and proud owner of an evo in the UK!
been reading ur posts and there are a few points im gonna make.
if u want a sports car dont bother with a lancer that ISNT an EVO, there just family cars!
the cars may be called the same name but they r completely different its not just a bodykit, turbo, stiffer springs and a set of wheels thrown on a "normal" car!
there r huge differences rece spec brembo's, aero parts, light ally body panels, ayc, lsd, abs, spot welded chasis, uprated pistons, complex 4WD system, recaro's, MOMO steering wheel, super stiff suspension, it is a different car right down to the bridgestone so-2's tyres!

stock BHP 309-315
0-60 4.4
0-100 12.3
max speed 155mph

anywayz i was thinking, over here in the uk people fly to japan buy second-hand (auctions in japan have a very strict grading system, u cant buy a dodgy car unless ur an idiot) from auction and put it in a shipment container to usa! obviously there will b duty and other charges and taxes but we have the same problems in UK! so find out ur rights as to personal imports + how to make it road legal and there u go, u will b cruising in the coolest and hardest car there is!

for a UK import u pay for the car in japan,duty free cause it is bound for a different country! EVO 6 - the best one, EVO 7 has lost just a little DONT FCUK WITH ME about it, EVO 6 = 14000-16500 UKP which is roughly 20000-23000 USD + cost of shipping + duty on arrival + making it road legal = bad ass motor! for a guide in UK all this can be done for about 19000 UKP!

BTW i dont think u anyone should worry about it being RHD my mate has got a Z28 LHD in UK and he dont have any problems, except when i leave him standing at the lights!

IT WILL NOT BE $40,000!! IT WILL BE $26,000 !! ITS ONLY REASON TO COME IS TO COMPETE WITH THE WRX, IN THAT PRICE MARKET.. THE FUTURE USA WRX STi,S POWER WILL BE 260HP, ABOUT THE SAME AS THE USA EVO VII, the USA will not get the EVO VII GSR, THEY WILL GET THE EVO VII RS, OR A WATERED DOWN VERSION OF THE GSR, ITS COMING, THE BUMPER IS FIXED, IT WILL BE IN THE USA MARKET 2003 MODEL YEAR.. THE JDM EVO VII GSR makes 305hp, & the WRX STi makes 310hp, the GTR R34 MAKES 320HP, & THE NSX TYPE S ZERO MAKES 287HP.. The Silvia does not make 300hp out of the showroom, its not close, you better drop about 45/50hp.. The Power Limit in Japan Is 276ps by law.. Motorcycles are 70hp for JDM, As of 10/23/01 Japan has not sad It will drop the 276ps law,

so will the fully EVO VII GSR with 280hp come to america when the WRX STi comes to america?

Should i wait to buy the 280hp version or the 2003 version?
possible of modifying it to 300hp easily?

Seems to me you are saying that the EVO VII RS that comes to america is 260hp.. dam! ahha

Originally posted by Deepcover6
They are the reason the gas price is so high:angryfire

actually the gas prices in the U.S. are really cheap compared to other places in the world, especially like the U.K and Hong kong.. they usually have it around $5 a gallon :eek:


EVO_UK it's ALOT harder importing an EVO here to the U.S. than it is to the UK. Here the emissions and safety laws are alot higher, the laws here are sooo gay :D

Originally posted by TURBO
...The Power Limit in Japan Is 276ps by law...

there is no law just a Gentlemens agreement, one that Nissan Honda and Toyota are breaking with their new supercars

the next skyline and NSX with both have 400+hp in top end form
and the next toyota supercar will also have 400+hp

yeah it was made that way to prevent a horsepower war, like what happened in the U.S. with american cars decades ago

The Evo RS is not a watered-down version of the GSR. It is a stripped-out version designed for race prep. 15" steel wheels, stock brakes, no fancy electronics, no a/c etc. All that stuff is meant to be replaced. The engine is the same spec as the GSR. I would highly doubt that the RS will ever make it to US shores.

Turbocharger is different on the RS (titanium alloy)

Nico

Oops. You're right. Forgot about that and the LSD upgrade.

While i was talking to the Mitsubishi dealership in Cali he told me that it would be towards the end of 2003 and that the price would be in the low 30k. Even though that is music to my ears, I am going out and buying an OZ Rally edition tommorrow. i think that my satifaction will be held for two years.

for ur information
there is many Lan Evo in my country,
the all new E7 are selling at USD74k, damn expensive!:(

Just to clear things up... In Malaysia the EVO 7 price has dropped from around 270,000 Malaysian Ringgit to 230,000. At "Naza World" where they sell imported cars in KL, they have them for 230,000 without road tax and insurance. 230,000 Malaysian Ringgit=61,000 US dollars
This was the price when I test drove one in the month of August;)
And you thought 30K US dollars is alot for a EVO 7?
I used to live in Los Angeles for 24 years and after moving to Malaysia you have to get used to the gay laws in Malaysia where they jack up the imported cars to 200-300% so they can push more people to buy local cars which are Protons, which is owned by the government to help boost the economy. :( I rather move back to the states and use that money to buy a Benz, BMW or maybe a used Porsche? :D
Oh wells live goes on :rolleyes:

for this reason, many ppl here is dropping an Evo motor into their proton, hehe:D :D :D

NO Provos! :D

As I understand the Mitsubishi EVO is homologated (FIA) as Lancer, Carisma and Proton.

Nico

the proton is homologated until lancer evo 3, so the engine of evo 1-3 fit well in the proton, without any mounting problem.
:silly2: :silly2: :silly2: :silly2:

Hmmmmm, Ive seen papers (FIA) that state that the EVO VI homologation was valid for the Lancer, Carisma and Proton. I have a LHD Mitsubishi Lancer and I live in the Netherlands. In Germany the sell the car as a Mitsubishi Carisma. Everything is the same exept the badge. Maybe Mitsubishi sell a Mitsu Proton somewhere too?

Nico

actually proton is not under mitsubishi, it is a idependent car maker, evo 4 is not homologated to proton bczo evo4 have a clock wise running engine:sun: :sun: :sun: :sun: :sun:

Ugh, not happy to hear the stuff i'm readin' here. '03? $30,000? Guess my only options are gonna be my GTI or the urgly-ass WRX. :(

Shame, the Evo is a helluva lot better looking, if nothing else.

I think 30 grand is reasonable for such a high performance car. Some sport cars in America including domestic ones are close to that price and dont have the speed and electronic gadgets like the Evo 7. The good thing is that you dont have to pay as alot of tax such as other countries. For example the Ford Mustang is IMO a crap car. And its not cheap either.

As for the cost for the EVO 7, thers always an option for payments :) :cool: