FOUND - McLaren F1 Replica!!!!!

look here!!

http://www.kitcar.ca/index.php?topic=6604.0


Can someone please tell me how i can build a Chassis for this?

Thx
David

Interesting... but I think you have come to the wrong place to get answers to your questions on building a chassis.

Purists tend to frown on replicas - even ones that are nicely done don't get much respect from what I have typically seen. I think it would be pretty hard to fool people on a car like the F1. I think you should save your money and buy a real sports car with an established pedigree. Surely for the amount of money one would need to invest in making an F1 replica you could pick up a nice used Porsche or Ferrari instead.

My :2cents:

>8^)
ER

A fiberglass shell, space frame chassis, and a crate engine will be so far from the complete package of an F1 it won't be worth it.

Peloton is correct: you're better off buying a reasonably priced, modern Porsche or Ferrari. That way you get a vehicle that's safe, warrantied, and has the design experience of multiple decades of automotive engineering behind it.

A fiberglass shell, space frame chassis, and a crate engine will be so far from the complete package of an F1 it won't be worth it.

Peloton is correct: you're better off buying a reasonably priced, modern Porsche or Ferrari. That way you get a vehicle that's safe, warrantied, and has the design experience of multiple decades of automotive engineering behind it.


For once we actually agree on something:eek:

Looks like a one to one size, slot car body to me?

What you see in the pics, is about 2% of the work to produce a working replica of the McLaren F1.

Good luck!!

Looks like a one to one size, slot car body to me?

What you see in the pics, is about 2% of the work to produce a working replica of the McLaren F1.

Good luck!!

if even that!...

PS - wouldnt it be funny to see one on the road, pootling along with a 1.6 diesel engine, rhd automatic with 14inch wheels, an industrial drainpipe for an exhaust and a spotty oik driving it (not that you could see him, due to the blacked out windows.....:rofl: :rofl: :wink: :rofl: :rofl: )

The proportions of the "mould" are clearly different to any real F1. Ive got $1 that the project flops, as seen with practically every other attempt to recreate the McLaren, bar the "ferrari, porsche and lamborghini" (cough cough) inspired DDR Car. I don't think I've ever laughed harder over a car seeing that F1 replica attempt that sold at auction a while back.

Agreeing with Erik, get something authentic and you won't risk any dissapointment.

Regards
Mike:aus:

You are 1% of the way there. Keep at it!!!

I think a Fiero motor would go perfectly with that, too! :D

The DDR Motorsport SP4 is starting to grow on me. From a kit car perspective. Not bad. From a performance authentic perspective - not even close. But it should be a fun car to put around town. Wonder how it handles weekend driver's schools.

Pic 1 (http://www.ddrmotorsport.com/images/cover5.jpg)

Pic 2 (http://www.ddrmotorsport.com/images/cover4.jpg)

And it looks like they've changed the location of the exhaust on it from 2005:
Pic 3 (http://www.tuningtechnology.com/images/Knotts%20Farm%20Show%20-%20DDR%2018.jpg)

Pic 4 (http://www.tuningtechnology.com/images/Knotts%20Farm%20Show%20-%20DDR%2015.jpg)

As a Replica builder of some 25 years the pleasure is not only in the finished article but a great deal of the plesure is in the thought process and the actual build, overcoming problems etc. The Maclaren is indeed a difficult propoaition to replicate but not impossible as I had a 95% detailed design worked out before deciding the risk was not worth it. Still enjoyed the process of mentally dismantling the car and working out why things had been done a certain way. The nail in the coffin appart from the risk of a huge law suit was sourcing the windscreen, a powerfull enough engine and the correct wheels. Everything else is doable.

Se la vie

carbuilder2002

Carbuilder2002, Show us some pics of the cars you have replicated please!!

as soon as I get a working scanner will post some.
have done, C Type replica (alloy bodied) began life as a fibreglass proteous
D Type replica started lifa as a RAM kit but was so dissapointedin the interior that I built a proper alloy monocoque for it which then led to a full alloy body.
Lightweight E type (alloy monocoque and many original parts)
Porsche 917 but alas lost the pictures of that one gave them to new owner when I sold it.
Jaguar Silk Cut XJR9
Blower Bentley on original pattern chassis.
Not built anything for 12 years so getting major withdrawal symptoms, still fancy the F1-GTR but am scared of the consequences.

Also restored a 3.8 E Type FHC, XC, An Aston V8 Vantage, and owned a Ferrari 308 and Esprit Essex Turbo for a while.

carbuilder2002

Just use a digital camera, take pics of your photo,s and post!! simple.

Looking forward to viewing them, like a lot of people here on this forum.

ok will do this weekend with luck if not away with work.

carbuilder2002

building a replica is not about the performance and handling of the original. it is about owning something that looks like your dream car. I so want a mclaren but i so can't afford it. Buying a (urgh) porsche (puke, puke) or a ferrari (which i still can't afford)would still be a better driving eperience, but i am a mclaren fan for a reason and that is cause the car is beautiful. So what if a replica is only 1% of the real thing.

I have seen so many replica cobras out there and i know that they are not cheap either. but even though it is not real i still admire those who make them. also people will know it is not real just as people know that 99% of cobraas on the road are not real. That doesn't deter from the fact that the replica is still a cool car. Id rather have a replica mclaren/cobra etc than drive a mini metro.

A replica is also not just about having a car that looks like the real thing. building a replica for some people is as much enjoyment as driving a real sportscar.

As a creator of sorts, growing up with legos, making my own furniture, having a hand in building my own home, the sense of achievement in building and finishing a project is a thrill in itself.

Yes, but when the replica ends up looking pathetic it leads to a huge disconnect between the pride of the builder and the mockery of the general public. In that case, an entirely different car might be the better option, no?

Errr escuse me? "Driving a replica is nearly as good as driving a REAL sportscar". My efforts in the past have usually outperformed and out handled the originals, and while I cant get the megga performance of the hallowed Mclaren the handling will certainly be close as the plan was to use Lotus Esprit Suspension / Steering with brakes the same size as the Mac.
Please don't get me re-opening the project I dont want to go to jail.

Not all replicas are nails, besides I'm a prototype development and design engineer of some 30 yrs experience.

I tend to think of my creations as hand built prototypes as have never finished a kit car yet, usually ended up selling it as a kit after dedesigning the bits I don't like.

carbuilder2002

If your kits are that much better, why not simply build your own body instead of trying to copy an existing one that it will always be judged against?

1st I don't build kits.
2nd by using modern technology in replicating 50's and 60's machinery the improvement in dynamics is almost guaranteed.
3rd why build replicas? I cant afford actual le-mans machinery.
4th I'm a pretty good engineer but do not profess to be in any way a stylist.
3rd having looked at some of the horrendous attempts at original design in the kit car field I conclude that I could not do any better.

Hence I build cars that I would own if I were a millionair, trust me if I won the lottery tomorrow my 1st call would be to Mclaren to source an F1 then maybe await the sale of a genuine D Type Jaguar.

Dont often get the chance to share my feelings on the pros and cons of replicas.

Last comment, I hate a badly built replica as much if not more than most probably because my job always demanded strict accuracy of any prototype, a vauge resemblence was just not good enough.

Cheers.
carbuilder2002

building a replica is not about the performance and handling of the original. it is about owning something that looks like your dream car. I so want a mclaren but i so can't afford it. Buying a (urgh) porsche (puke, puke) or a ferrari (which i still can't afford)would still be a better driving eperience, but i am a mclaren fan for a reason and that is cause the car is beautiful. So what if a replica is only 1% of the real thing.

I have seen so many replica cobras out there and i know that they are not cheap either. but even though it is not real i still admire those who make them. also people will know it is not real just as people know that 99% of cobraas on the road are not real. That doesn't deter from the fact that the replica is still a cool car. Id rather have a replica mclaren/cobra etc than drive a mini metro.

A replica is also not just about having a car that looks like the real thing. building a replica for some people is as much enjoyment as driving a real sportscar.

As a creator of sorts, growing up with legos, making my own furniture, having a hand in building my own home, the sense of achievement in building and finishing a project is a thrill in itself.

I don't really have a problem with replicas. The replicas I don't have a problem with are usually called recreations. Cars like the Porsche 917, Shelby Cobras, and GT40 (all MK variants) are very expensive to purchase an original. Plus, if you have the original, I very much doubt you would track it as hard as it was many years ago when raced. These cars are easily reproduced as "replicas" because the materials and design of the car's chassis and body is nothing that is incredibly hard to reproduce today for a fraction of the cost of real ownership. We're literally talking 1960s technology.

This is not the case for the F1. The enormous price of the vehicle today has a lot to do with the materials used and costs of production. It isn't something that could be replicated VERY CLOSELY like one can do with a GT40, Cobra, etc. These McLaren kits will always fall short of the real deals, unlike the Cobras or GT40s, and it just ends up being a mockery.

This is not the case for the F1. The enormous price of the vehicle today has a lot to do with the materials used and costs of production. It isn't something that could be replicated VERY CLOSELY like one can do with a GT40, Cobra, etc. These McLaren kits will always fall short of the real deals, unlike the Cobras or GT40s, and it just ends up being a mockery.This is the thing that people miss the most, thanks for bringing it up.

The average builder can easily replicate 60's technology in his garage, but not 1990s technology.

I'll reiterate my earlier point about that the typical replica car formula of: a space frame chassis, fiberglass body, and V8 crate engine, will be nowhere near a real F1.

I agree - it's one thing to build a replica that's both faithful to the original and exceeds some of the original technology as in the Factory 5 or Superformance Cobra kits. It's quite another thing to rip the skin off a Pontiac Fiero and make it into a hideously bastardized rendering of a Countach or Testarossa and think you're all that and a bag of chips.

No argument from me on the last 3 comments.
The Mac does however lend it's self to an Aluminium honeycomb chassis with carbon fibre outer body, front and rear sections.
My design was based around such a structure with as mentioned earlier Lotus Esprit suspension steering, AP racing brakes, Gallardo V10 engine, and Xtrac transverse 6 speed transaxle. Custom steering rack.
As also mentioned, windscreen was a stumbling block as was the correct pattern wheels.
The design was 90% sorted when I checked out the legal position after hearing of the case they brought against a comercial kit car company and was advised by a legal representative that they would not hesitate to stamp out any atempt to replicate it even as a one off.
Maybe in another 10 years they may be more lenient but by then I wil be 60 and to old to start what was envisaget as a 7 year project.

But on the whole I would say it was a very difficult car to do simply because the packaging is so compact, Gordon Murray really got the maximum usage of the least amount of space. Was good fun trying to redesign it for more available components though, that alone took me nearly 4 years in my spare time.

carbuilder2002

I have to chuckle at the coments to this post.

I agree with many of the ANTI replica posts that it will never be an f1.
but :
What looks better, the ddr or the mclaren ?
the ddr is now a car in its own right, born of the styling of the mclaren f1.
If i want a ddr i will buy a ddr, but this is not the case. I want a car that "looks like" a mclaren f1. the ddr is close but not quite close enough.

As with most serious replica / recreation builders, the chassis and the mechanicles, brakeing systems etc are all well designed and for the most part designed by serious engineers. For those who wouldn't mind a replica, this is sufficient enough to ensure proper handling and ride comfort and safty. Obviously not the same as an f1, but then even the enzo will differ from the mclaren, as every piece of each car is different. performacne and ride quality are a matter of personal taste. anyone who wants performance and ride of the f1 will have to buy the real car.

for those who have never driven an f1, driving a well made replica will suffice. only the select few who have had the privilage of driving the real thing know what the mclaren feels like.

I don't expect to have a replica that performs like an f1, i don't expect to have a car that feels like an f1. I want a car that looks like the f1. and that is the part that the purist do not understand.

it is more about the look of the car than the performance etc.

As long as a replica is as faithful as it can be, it does not disgrace the original and is not uses to try to make people think it's the real thing (not likely with the Mac the engine is a dead give away) then if it gives the builder pleasure then that's whats important.
Enjoying our cars be they a mini or an F1 is what counts.
As long as it's made clear it's a replica then who is it hurting. If it's a dog only the owner/builder.
Wonder what Mclaren did to the Ausie owner who reputedly took molds from his car to build copies for his family?
Mclaren would not even help me with details to build a 1/5th scale model and only 2 owners have offered assistance so long as they are not credited or named for fear of reprisals.

Have fun doing whast you enjoy.
And on your concience be it.

carbuilder2002

Why is mclaren so concerned about people copying the look of their car. there are replicas of other newish level cars out there like the diablo ?

Possibly to protect the copyright on their packaging patents? I don't really know.

I have had the pleasure of owning Classic Jaguars, Porshe 911, Ferrari 308, SAston V8 vantage with enlarged engine, Lotus Essex Turbo, Lister Jaguar.
All very fine cars mind the 308 gave me a lot of heartache.
But there is something special about driving something you have built with your own hands and that can more than hold its own with the above mentioned cars.
Lets face it some people like replicas some don't that's what makes the human race interesting our differences.

Me I like both but given £800,000 would certainly seek out an original.
Until then will build my 1/5th model, unless I get itchy fingers and start my own F1 but then it would still cost over £50,000.

Have fun doing what you enjoy guys.

carbuilder2002

Figured I'd drag this to the top to share a brief article on the DDR Motorsports car again - mostly so that someone else doesn't start a new thread on it really. :icon16:

The Enzo, Veyron, Carrera GT, Koenigsegg, et al each owe something to the car still considered by many to be the greatest supercar of all time, the McLaren F1. While they occasionally pop up on the used car market or in some of the higher end auctions around the world (the last one went for $1,705,000 at RM in Monterey last month), a McLaren F1's price is a bit steep for most of us. As with other desirable classics throughout the ages, the kit car and aftermarket body panel industry is here to help you out.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/09/ddr-sp4-orangea.jpg

In fact, DDR Motorsport will help you get just a little closer to your dream ride for less than 24 grand. Plus a donor Gen II MR2 Turbo. The idea here is that the basic running gear of the '90-'96 MR2 is fairly stout, but the chassis could use some beefing up. So the DDR team of racer Diego Grullón and master craftsman Juan Ovalle teamed up with Trans Am car builder Kerry Hitt of ACP Motorsports, to build a unique chassis that would incorporate the MR2 mechanicals and make it an affordable supercar.

The resulting DDR SP4 will be available in kit form for around $23,700 depending on options. A list of assemblers will also be available soon for those who just want to get in and drive. The finished product should be something like the recently debuted Lotus Europa S - 2200 lbs, 200-260 hp 2.0-liter turbo 4, and awesome handling. And with bodywork that makes it look like a cross between a McLaren and a JGTC racecar, it might just be more of a looker than the Lotus. And if that isn't enough power for you, the next project, the SP8, is going to use a Corvette LS-1 V-8 with as much as twice the power as the SP4 at a promised gain of only 100 pounds. Hope they send one of each over for testing.

More pics and details can be found at the DDR Motorsports website (http://www.ddrmotorsport.com/index.html)

Source: http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/12/tuner-tuesdays-mclaren-f1-inspired-kit-car-for-24k/

Where's McLaren's legal team when we need them? :uhoh:

>8^)
ER

This looks interesting?

Looks like someone is doing a better job than DDR!!


http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6574/1wd0.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1wd0.jpg) http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3195/2wj8.th.png (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2wj8.png) http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7750/3qh0.th.png (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3qh0.png)

Longtail GTR? (Real or replica?)

If you're going to build a car from scratch, I'd go with the Ultima GTR.

Didn't that actually use a couple Ultima kit cars in prelim testing of the F1?

This looks interesting?

Looks like someone is doing a better job than DDR!!


http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6574/1wd0.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1wd0.jpg) http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3195/2wj8.th.png (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2wj8.png) http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7750/3qh0.th.png (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3qh0.png)

Longtail GTR? (Real or replica?)

And the plot thickens... Interesting find Le Man. Wonder where that is being produced. DDR had mentioned a V8 version of their car. Wonder if its for that or an entirely different company.

le man, where you get these pics from ?

le man, where you get these pics from ?


Some where on the internet? there are some more pics floating around, kit car forum, I think!!. I shall do a search for them.

Some one told me it may be Parallel Designs in the UK as they do a Lamborghini Diablo replica already? Carbuilder 2002 should know, he,s more knowledgeable on replica,s than I am.

looks good

I have not heard of any UK based replica F1 being done (appart from my stillborn one which I could start construction as soon as I though it safe to do so).
Anyway the bodywork is actually the easiest part of the car. Due to the compact nature of the F1 the packaging is so tight the choice of mechanical components is the major factor, assuming you want to do the F1 justice and not just stick a stock mid engined cassis under the bodywork.
To get the 3 seating position is not difficult just needs careful placement of the front steering and suspension componentry.

carbuilder2002

Been in touch with Parallel Designs,

This was their reply.

sorry NO,,,!!!!!!!!!! were did you hear that from,,?????

Sounds as though there may be smoke but they are very worried about consequences.
Unless of course they genuinley are not building one.

Draw your own conclusions, they seem very alarmed that it is being mooted?

carbuilder2002

Carbuilder2002 what do you make of this!!

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=52531

Not exactly what I was searching for, but go to post 4. Sounds familiar?

Quote:- Space frame chassis, grp tub, BMW engine and an Audi/Porshe transaxle.... interesting idea?????

Hmm yes well I was planning a carbon or aluminium moocoque with gallardo V10 and transmission.
Anyway have been talking to a barrister regarding copyright.
Apparently if the car is more than 5% adrift of the actual car then the company can make a claim against you but usually it is based on percieved loss of sales.
This raises the question as they no longer sell F1's you can argue that their lost sales will be zero as they are not selling any anymore.
I could not get clarification on if that 5% had to be applied to every aspect of the car (Unlikely) or if say butting a V10 in instead of a V12 accounts for a 5%+ disparity?
Still not prepared to risk it just yet if ever.
Mind it is getting easier these days to do it properly you can now get a BMW V10 (even the same make engine).
Cant see the point of an MR2 based replica of something like a Mac or as some other guy has started that I heard of an MR2 based Enzo ????

carbuilder2002

does anybody know the legialities of all the copyright issues. I have heard so many stories about when they run out etc and differences by percentage and so on.

Can anyone state for sure, how much a car must differ by, after what period of time can a car be copied outright, is there a 3 seater design patent in favour of mclaren ?

Is there a patent office whom we can contact to verify if a particular patent exists ?

More importantly what is Mclarens problem ? The car is no longer made by them, the originals will always sell for a heck of a lot more than any replica so owners of the real thing should have no problem. Common Mclaren, let the little guys enjoy the looks of such a great car as like most on here, i will never be able to afford one.

A friend who is into kit cars, just emailed me these pics. Looks like someone has restarted F1 production.:eek:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5850/mclarenf15kitcaros5.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mclarenf15kitcaros5.jpg) http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9650/mclarenf16kitcarnn2.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mclarenf16kitcarnn2.jpg) http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5624/mclarenf13kitcartk8.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mclarenf13kitcartk8.jpg) http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/958/mclarenf1kitcarny7.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mclarenf1kitcarny7.jpg)

Well I see it's in th US so maybe they can get away with it easier, but I was certainly left in no doubt that I would loose everything and wind up homeless. Mind sometimes I wish I had made a sideline to my business and may have been able to buy a GTR without selling my company lol.

Although this is one of the best attempts i have seen other thatn the ddr, it just looks such a mess.

seeing that he is on his 2nd attempt on the body it will be interesting to see how much further this goes and how much better he can make the car look..

McLaren do indeed have a patent out on the 3 seater layout (stated in DA) so am not sure how anyone would get around that problem?
It was going to be a regal minefield to build one out in the open which is why mine was shelved. You could build one but am not sure how long you would keep it before you were summoned to the courts (not an inconspicuous car by any means and am sure an apparent F1 prowling the local streets would possibly even attract the local papers speculating who in the local area were in a bosition to buy one). And with a projected build cost of nearly £50,000 a lot of money to risk loosing.

Mclaren is full of ..................

Its about time they let people make the replicas. these cars are out of production for so long now and its not like they gonna start again.

Patent info for central seat :

found here:

http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=26&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&p=1&p=1&S1=(mclaren+AND+centre)&OS=mclaren+and+centre&RS=(mclaren+AND+centre)

There is abit more than the quote below. a good read.
United States Patent 5,538,309Murray July 23, 1996
Vehicle body


AbstractA cabin structure for a vehicle has a monocoque construction and includes a support floor having a longitudinal extent and a transverse extent. Roof supports are integrally formed with the support floor and extend upwardly therefrom. Two rear passenger seats supports are supported on the support floor. A driver's seat support is supported on the support floor. The driver's seat support is positioned in the cabin structure centrally of the transverse extent of the support floor, and the driver's seat support is positioned forwardly of the rear passenger seat supports in a direction of the longitudinal extent of the support floor. The two rear passenger seat supports are spaced apart in a direction of the transverse extent of the support floor. The driver's seat support defines a driver seating position and includes two spaced elongate parts extending generally in the direction of the longitudinal extent of the support floor and on each side of the driver seating position.
Inventors: Murray; Gordon (Guildford, GB2) Assignee:McLaren Cars N.V. (Curacao, GB)
Appl. No.: 08/417,273Filed: April 5, 1995
Foreign Application Priority DataApr 09, 1991 [GB]9107435

Current U.S. Class:296/64 ; 296/146.9; 296/203.01; 296/66Current International Class: B60N 2/005 (20060101); B60N 2/01 (20060101)Field of Search: 296/1.1,63,64,146.1,146.9,185,193,197,203 297/232 180/291,298

And can you see McLaren giving a builder permission to use it? Even if you were to offer a hefty fee per vehicle. You can do a 2 seater but whats the point it would be wrong. OK so he has some body shells, the shell is not the most difficult part, you must remember that McLaren went to a great deal of trouble with the compact packaging of the car. Unless you are using a very short engine (V6) you will need a transverse transaxle. Not cheap or easy to come by. I was looking at Hewland or Xtrac but they were in the £20,000+ price range.

You can have a drivers seat in the middle. You can't just do the exact way they did in that description. It's not a patent on the position of the seating. It's a patent on the vehicle body stuture. Monocoque, strutural support running through the middle seat section, strutural support running behind the center seat, which is a form that can be used as a pair of seats, etc. Anyone can put the seat and steering column in the middle. That's not what he patented.

True, but if you are building a McLaren replica it does not leave much room for manovre even if you build a spaceframe the outer sills are so thin you need the structural bolsters down each side of the seat even if they are tubular and boxed in. You would also me mad not to take advantage of being able to put a strengthening structure behind the drivers seat.
I aggree there are other ways to do it but it is making it more difficult and less structurally ridgid. I know I have done a load of FEA analysis on various options and believe me they used the best and lightest method.

you will need a transverse transaxle. Not cheap or easy to come by. I was looking at Hewland or Xtrac but they were in the £20,000+ price range.

What about G50 ?
They're somewhat cheaper than 20K

How about going to Mexico and offering 100k for that drug dealer's F1?

How about going to Mexico and offering 100k for that drug dealer's F1?

I don't feel like getting shot today.

McMonte,
The G50 is quite a long gearbox aft of the axle ctre line and the tail end would impinge on the exhaust outlet position. It would also push the c of g rearward.

McMonte,
The G50 is quite a long gearbox aft of the axle ctre line and the tail end would impinge on the exhaust outlet position. It would also push the c of g rearward.

Ahh cheers for that! I've only ever seen pics of them.
Must stop thinking about Ultimas...

Make no mistake the Ultima is a very good car in it's own right. But at the end of the day it's a kit car albeit at the very top end of the market. The pleasure I get is from designing and building a car from scratch, deciding what components I can use or modify to do a certain task. I have done the kit build thing once and ended up selling 75% of the kit and doing the rest to my own design. You could use a G50 but would have to have dummy exhaust outlets and exit the exhaust underneath out of sight with the risk of fumes being sucked back into the car.

Was reading a bit more about patent laws.

In the UK patents last for 20 yrs. dunno bout the states though.

so if Murray filed the patent in '95, we should be able to start replicas in 2015.

(PS. Patents cannot be renewed either (According to the info i read))

A friend who is into kit cars, just emailed me these pics. Looks like someone has restarted F1 production.:eek:

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Hi All Mclaren enthusiasts


Please if any one knows how the builder is and have there contact if let me know. I am serious in building a Mclaren Replica for my self. The chassis is almost completed and I will use a BMW M5 engine... I am now looking for a good body or I will manufactory on my self. But if I can save time it would be grate

Thanks in advance

Best Regards
Björn

Hi


Just want to show you other Mclaren fans how my chassis are built. It is honeycomb and carbonfiber there will be a sub frames both in the front and in the back in aluminium.

http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?i...hassifwyk9.png (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chassifwyk9.png)

This is my first carbon chassis the other sport car that I am building are I using aluminium to the chassis and carbonfiber to the body work but this is an own designed car that I have been working on for 6 years now.

I hope to build the Mclaren reproduction faster.

Let me know what you think about the chassis...always fun to talk with maniacs like my self :)

Hi


Here is a picture of my other car... this is a project that I have been working on for mor then 6 years now.

[img=http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6610/sensormg8.th.jpg] (http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6610/sensormg8.th.jpg])

This is just the hand made plugg that I did the mould from... it took 4 yras to do int by hand and will friends help. Ulf B is the one helping ut with the design.

Best Regards
Björn

linky no worky ;)