Yes Finally I Did It !!!!!

well tonite was the night Friday March 24th

well i was driving around because in my city there is nothing to do .. i was on mynormal drive around route which consistsof telegraph /45 and ford road 45/50 in sort of a circle .... type way after doing about 2 "laps" and driving for 20 minutes of noone to really race after ive been kinda of baiting people and messing around it starts to rain a little....

finally i make a u-turn and start going down telegraph at about 50 by this fruit market and a car blows past me and im like wtf? and am also kinda happy , by this time ive seen no competition except mustangs(driven by old rich guys/girls) and a couple other no-go'ers like that)back i speed up and am behind this gold dodge neon i say it was beteween a 95-98 or somethin just by its looks but i have no idea... its got a nasty fartcan and is pretty riced our for a domestic(sorry no pic or nothin) but i get next to him and he takes off and im thinking to myself well ill probally lose bc my car sucks but o well
by the way im driving a 94 LeBaron GTC convertible .. not slow i can say that its pretty much stock.

its slightly wet by about 9:30 which is when this happened and so he takes off at about 55 and then so do i and surpriseingly i catch up and am even in the lead for about 10 seconds at about 85 til we reach a light and im thinking yes !! now we can start of even right here ... we are now at telegraph and ford road ... i look at him and he rolls down his window and so do i .. he has a tachometer with a shift light and a few guages .. his car sounds like its turboes or something?!?!! :confused: but i have no idea about some cars and i say "is that stock" while his goofy friend is making faces and is acting like a complete idiot (i figure there in there 20's while i am only 16 and he replies "No" and i say alrite lets go and he says ok....

We take off and i get a slight lead off the start and then he pulls on me like half a car i slam down the pedal and take off and get a little bit ahead then we are about even at like 80 and then i start to gain on him a few feet and then i hit about 110 and am a little more then a 1/2 car length in between us and stop to led up and slow down then he also does too .. so i am pretty sike up and also :confused: bc his car isnt stock and i think he should be blowing me out my car is only a v6 but i have no idea about his.... he speeds past me and starts weevin traffic and i am just driving 50 i pull up to a suv next to me and look at the passenger .. she waves and im like wtf? and then im like O SHIT thats my neighbor i cant chase this guy and start speeding shey'll tell my mom and she'll KILL ME .... so i get in the far left lane and am driving normally
i get to a turn around and see that the neon is in the wide side of the turn around so i take the close lane... we wait for traffic and he takes off to the 3rd lane while i take the 1st and kinda slide a little and move into the 2nd i see he wants some more so im like alrite i blow pass him and til like 90 and let up and am like ok w.e and he turns into a napa auto parts store? and then i see some saturn right in front of me with a nasty fart can and try to bate him up we take off then slow down so its not really a race... the roads are starting to get really wet and bad so im like alrite im gonna go get some taco bell... on the way there i see this sweet green bodykit yellow fog lights car and i have no idea wat it is tho...? and its behind me so i see him goin to the turn around and follow just to check his car out bc now im curious...
i look at my rpms and they drop below the 1 and to the 0 and am like WTF>! my car turns off and im like shit i put on the flashers and turn to a side street... i wait and keep retryin and it starts back up by this time its like 9:30/10ish so i hit taco bell and go home

I am pretty happy with this night overall :)

bottom line: raced a gross gold neon like 2/3 times and won everytime

does anyone know why i won and if i should have bc i really dont know much about who my car can beat and all? but thanks for reading this million paragraph long story of "my first race" i am really surprised i took my car all the way to 110 ... ive only driven like 85 b4 on the highway.. mainly bc i dont like to showoff and only drive fast if i need to or in a race like this ....

If it was your run of the mill basic stock neon it is going to be slow as balls. Nice kill though, sounds fun. BTW, do you have your 3kgt yet?

BTW, do you have your 3kgt yet?

do u think id be racing this pos if i had a 3kgt yet ?!!?!?!
:devil: :mad:

I WISH !!! dad still needs to test drive !! i think april 1st tho
which is wat im praying for!!

I almost got into it with a Neon today....

But once the modded SRT-4 heard the car...he didn't want any.

Well hear are the numbers:
Base Neon 2400 lbs 132 hp.
V6 LeBaron 3100 lbs 141 hp.

And base on those numbers I would say that whatever mods the Neon had must have been doing nothing for it’s performance. In fact I would go so far as to say that the mods were probably making it slower then stock, of course that pretty typical of riced-out cars.:lol:

^^haha, like that little dodge would've wanted a peice of that monster. I got scared of it just at idle!!

And SB4L, nice race, of course the only thing i know about the lebaron is that George Costanza had one.

^^haha, like that little dodge would've wanted a peice of that monster. I got scared of it just at idle!!

And SB4L, nice race, of course the only thing i know about the lebaron is that George Costanza had one.

:lol: Seinfeld. That was a good episode.

there's another model neon that has like 150 hp, 2400 lbs 150 hp, thats not bad, i think 209_srt had the 132 hp neon, when he modded it he was doing 14s

I test drove a base model Neon and talk about having no balls not to mention that it just wasn't geared to go fast at all. It is funny to see another LeBaron owner. Too bad it's a 94 GTC.

Anyhow, good kill.

whats wrong with a 94?

:lol: Seinfeld. That was a good episode.

Ha, is that where he thinks its John Voyt's (did I spell that right?) car?

whats wrong with a 94?

Well, most people confuse me as some LeBaron fanatic when I really only like the 1989 - 1992 GTC, and to be more specific, the hardtops. My problem with the 1993 - 1995 GTC is that, I don't feel, it deserves to wear the GTC badge.

Prepare for a longwinded explanation. . . .

The GTC was introduced as a summer option in 1988 just to see if they could sell more cars. It worked so in 1989 it became it own line. From 1989 to 1992 if you bought a LeBaron GTC you bough something different from a regular LeBaron. Most options were standard but more importantly you got a stiffer suspension, bigger brakes (vented disks all around), bigger wheels and tires, monochrome paint, special badging and trim, and an all around stiffer car than a highline, LX, or premium LeBaron. Also, you had the option of the Turbo I or the same Turbo II found in the Daytona. It is much like the difference between a Neon and an SRT-4. However, in 1993 they changed the front end from the fold down headlight doors that I like to ugly exposed headlights. They also made the 3.0L V6 the only engine, no more turbo cars. The suspension, brakes, and everything went back to the mushy cheap crap that they put on the other models. Also, finding one with a manual was hard, they literally made less than 100 of them in 1993. So, chances are you were stuck with the A-604 automatic. Not great for racing and not even great for regular driving. In fact it was the transmission that gave Chrysler a bad rep with transmissions. If you haven't had problems with one then you were very lucky. Then in 1994 they did away with the hardtop all together and you could only get a convertible and I hated the convertibles regardless of the year. It was a sad end to, what I felt, had been an awesome looking and performing car.

^^Interesting. Whats the hp and times for you then?

Well, most people confuse me as some LeBaron fanatic when I really only like the 1989 - 1992 GTC, and to be more specific, the hardtops. My problem with the 1993 - 1995 GTC is that, I don't feel, it deserves to wear the GTC badge.

Prepare for a longwinded explanation. . . .

The GTC was introduced as a summer option in 1988 just to see if they could sell more cars. It worked so in 1989 it became it own line. From 1989 to 1992 if you bought a LeBaron GTC you bough something different from a regular LeBaron. Most options were standard but more importantly you got a stiffer suspension, bigger brakes (vented disks all around), bigger wheels and tires, monochrome paint, special badging and trim, and an all around stiffer car than a highline, LX, or premium LeBaron. Also, you had the option of the Turbo I or the same Turbo II found in the Daytona. It is much like the difference between a Neon and an SRT-4. However, in 1993 they changed the front end from the fold down headlight doors that I like to ugly exposed headlights. They also made the 3.0L V6 the only engine, no more turbo cars. The suspension, brakes, and everything went back to the mushy cheap crap that they put on the other models. Also, finding one with a manual was hard, they literally made less than 100 of them in 1993. So, chances are you were stuck with the A-604 automatic. Not great for racing and not even great for regular driving. In fact it was the transmission that gave Chrysler a bad rep with transmissions. If you haven't had problems with one then you were very lucky. Then in 1994 they did away with the hardtop all together and you could only get a convertible and I hated the convertibles regardless of the year. It was a sad end to, what I felt, had been an awesome looking and performing car.


Ahhh... interesting. 3L V6? yuk.

^^Interesting. Whats the hp and times for you then?

The Turbo II is rated at 174HP and 210 ft/lbs of torque. My LeBaron weighs around 2,800 pounds. The best time I managed in the 1/4 with the last GTC was 14.6 @ 98 MPH. However, it's max boost was 14 PSI while factory was supposed to be 12 PSI so the last GTC must have been a factory freak. I would guess a stock Turbo II should run close to a flat 15 seconds depending on the driver of course.




Ahhh... interesting. 3L V6? yuk.


Well, is uses the same block as the Stealth/3000GT just the heads and internals are different. So I guess you could build the engine up pretty good if you wanted to? Still you have the crap tranny to deal with.

hey SL3000GT and -Jayson- if you see this check it out

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=3942565#post3942565

I posted something for you SB4L.

The Turbo II is rated at 174HP and 210 ft/lbs of torque.
Which isn’t that impressive when you consider GM’s 2.3L N/A Quad 4 was making 180 hp at the time.

mmm quad 4.


It's a shame GM didn't continue that motor. Think of where they'd be in the 'sport-compact' world right now if they still had that motor design today? Vtec what? haha.

Which isn’t that impressive when you consider GM’s 2.3L N/A Quad 4 was making 180 hp at the time.

That is a really poor comparison when you don't even know all the facts.

1. Chrysler made one big mistake with the turbo cars and that was the exhaust. They start out well enough but down towards the muffler it gets very restrictive. If they had stuck with 2.5" pipe all the way back those cars would have made a lot more power from the factory.

2. The Turbo II was only a SOHC engine while the Quad 4 was DOHC. Of course it should make more power. Why don't we compare the Quad 4 to the Turbo III? The Turbo III was a DOHC engine and it made 224 HP.

3. The Turbo II runs an 8:1 compression ratio for the turbo and obviously isn't going to run very advanced timing either to reduce the risk of detonation. The Quad 4 you're referring to with 180 HP had a pretty hot cam and ran a 10:1 compression ratio.

4. While it did have 180 HP it only had 160 ft/lbs of torque. So the Quad 4 makes 6 more horsepower than my Turbo II, with two less valves per cylinder, smaller displacement, and an anemic exhaust, but it makes 50 less ft/lbs of torque. Now that isn't impressive. I guess that would explain why I have been able to blow the doors off the cars that engine comes in.

You're still driving a GTC though.:thefinger:dogpile:

You're still driving a GTC though.:thefinger:dogpile:

Yeah, so what's your point? :confused:

Yeah, so what's your point? :confused:


I guess you missed the joke... :grinno:






This thread makes me emo.:frown:

I guess you missed the joke... :grinno:






This thread makes me emo.:frown:

Hmm, must have. I wasn't sure if you were serious or just giving me shit. :icon16:

Always have to give the one LeBaron driver shit... you're our Token Chrysler guy.

mmm quad 4.


It's a shame GM didn't continue that motor. Think of where they'd be in the 'sport-compact' world right now if they still had that motor design today? Vtec what? haha.

werd...i think the cavalier would be the civic of today...i don't know if that's a good or bad thing..........probably bad.......really bad..:icon16:

Ahhh... interesting. 3L V6? yuk.



Hey my car has a 3L V6... and somehow I kill all sorts of cars daily.

mmm quad 4.


It's a shame GM didn't continue that motor. Think of where they'd be in the 'sport-compact' world right now if they still had that motor design today? Vtec what? haha.
That’s the sad thing about the Quad 4. GM built a great performing I4, but they never put the 180 hp version in a compact and after the 180 hp version they didn’t try to make more powerful version, they just made mild 110-150 hp version till they kill the engine and replaced them with Ecotecs. And the most power N/A version of the Ecotec is a 2.4L that makes 177 hp.

That is a really poor comparison when you don't even know all the facts.

1. Chrysler made one big mistake with the turbo cars and that was the exhaust. They start out well enough but down towards the muffler it gets very restrictive. If they had stuck with 2.5" pipe all the way back those cars would have made a lot more power from the factory.

2. The Turbo II was only a SOHC engine while the Quad 4 was DOHC. Of course it should make more power. Why don't we compare the Quad 4 to the Turbo III? The Turbo III was a DOHC engine and it made 224 HP.

3. The Turbo II runs an 8:1 compression ratio for the turbo and obviously isn't going to run very advanced timing either to reduce the risk of detonation. The Quad 4 you're referring to with 180 HP had a pretty hot cam and ran a 10:1 compression ratio.

4. While it did have 180 HP it only had 160 ft/lbs of torque. So the Quad 4 makes 6 more horsepower than my Turbo II, with two less valves per cylinder, smaller displacement, and an anemic exhaust, but it makes 50 less ft/lbs of torque. Now that isn't impressive. I guess that would explain why I have been able to blow the doors off the cars that engine comes in.
1: Ok how much more power does a Turbo II make with a full 2.5" exhaust.

2: The fact that it’s a SOHC is what makes it unimpressive. And the reason not to compare the Quad 4 to the Turbo III is because the Turbo III is so riotously rare.

3: Quad 4 has a higher compression ratio what’s your point?

4: What Quad 4 cars have you raced?

Hey my car has a 3L V6... and somehow I kill all sorts of cars daily.

The turbo's make all the difference.


Not many 3L V6's of any brand in N/A form are worth a shit, mostly cause the cars they're stuffed in are too heavy. Add boost though, then they're decently quick cars.

mmm quad 4.


It's a shame GM didn't continue that motor. Think of where they'd be in the 'sport-compact' world right now if they still had that motor design today? Vtec what? haha.

i hadnt really heard much about this engine, quite interesting. did it have reliability problems or something? it sounds exactly like the kind of engine gm needs right now.

i think the ecotec is doing a decent job...but like Stang said...that would be a real kick in the pants...

i hadnt really heard much about this engine, quite interesting. did it have reliability problems or something? it sounds exactly like the kind of engine gm needs right now.
Reliability wise they don’t start having problems till they are over 150,000 miles. I guess you could call the 2 problems with Quad 4 lack of refinement. #1 they all make some of valvetrain noise. #2 the Quad 4's made before 1995 were built like race engine, in that they didn’t have didn’t have balance shafts to cut rotating weight. So they all vibrated a little.

i think the ecotec is doing a decent job...but like Stang said...that would be a real kick in the pants...
The 2.0L 205 hp supercharged Ecotec in the SS Cobalt good. And the 2.0L 260 hp turbo GM putting in the GXP Solstice is impressive. But all the N/A version are just ok engines.