5th gen vs. 4th gen

Here's a poll just for the heck of it, which one do you like better?

Personally I think the exterior looks better on a 4th gen. But not by a whole lot. Interior is better on the 5th gen, but I like the 4th gen to. It's unique. The thing I like least about the 4th gen is there isn't much trunk space for my golf clubs . . I guess there could be worse problems though.

I dont like the body of the 5th gen even the best modified I have seen only can give a 8/10 but I have seen a modified 4th that makes me want to, well its 10/10. :flash:

I like the 5th gen simply cause its newer
and its the car that i have !!
lol


but to tell you the truth
to me their both very unique cars

Both has its high points and low points

The best prelude i have every seen is
my friend's 94' Prelude

He fixed the hell out of it to 275 hp NA yes and i mean NA
I have no clue how he did it
but he put a lot of work into it!!!

I've riden in it....and all i can say is HOLY !@#$
It was damn fast!!!

bah.....the 4g prelude is outa style, old news, kinda like an '85 civic. it reminds me of a fat girls, big round buldges and a big round ass. the 5g is clean, smart, and very exquisite. besides, for some reason, you never see a riced out 5g, but 75% of 4gs are.

I probably favor the 4th gen more because I own one but I just can't stand the headlights.

That and I bought my car to mod. From what I hear the 5th gens don't respond as well as the 92-95s becasue of OBD II and I have actually seen almost identical setups and the 4th gen always has more HP. And both cars actually way about the same.

that's funny, because I saw a dohc vtec prelude 4g with i/h/e, msd, and some plug wires dyno 125, while a bone stock 5g also dynoed 125, on the same dyno the same day.

I don't know what was wrong with the dyno then. I dynoed my H23 at 144.3 and after my H22a swap I dynoed 160 and those are both bone stock. I have never seen bad numbers like that on either engine, especially with mods.

sorry, this was at 5800ft, ummm corrected would be around 155

I dont understand why everyone likes the fourth gens better than the fifths. Personally i think a fifth gen looks sooooo sweet even stock. fourth gens are nice but not compared to theit newer counterparts

The 5th gen looks sweeter and is newer, but the 4th gen will always be faster with equal mods.

i don't understand this, a friend's dohc vtec 4g had a whole pile of mods, and dynoed the same as another friend's stock 5g on the same dyno they same day. given there is a small weight difference, it took more than just i/h/e to equal a stock 5g

In Oz a 4th gen weighs between 2720 and 2750 pounds and the 5th gen is between 2800 and 2890 pounds. A think its a little bit more then a little. :flash:
P.S. The coefficientcy in the wind tunnel on the 4th gens body is better as well.

i have to go with MARKUSIUDIUS on this one not only is weight a big factor on which one is faster but also look at your engine choices you have 1 engine you can get with 5g witch is the 2.2ltr v-tec 4g has 2 2.2 and 2.3 also to do mods to a 5th you are more limeted with v-tec because sorry too say your compression is way too high they put all the power behind the v-tec so where does that leave you with turbo nitrous or superchargers with very little room my question is who thinks v-tec is better then none v-tec im talking mod wise???? its 2.3 ltr against 2.2ltr vtec witch one is faster?

first off, under the hood is very similar. as for engine choices, the 2.2 sohc engine is crap and does not belong in a sports car, and the 2.3 is put in it's place by the vtec engine, so why not just offer one really good engine. the engines in the 4g and 5 g are very similar, so modding is about the same. as for weight, 2750 compared to 2800 is not that much of a difference, but the hp difference is 190 to 200, so any of the weight should be made up by horsepower. the transmission gearing is very similar also, so overal, it is a driver's race, even though i have yet to lose to a 4g vtec, even bolt on ones, in my stock prelude. but the 5g has a better sounding stereo, and sh outhandles any of the 4g's, so there are a lot of similarities and differences.

I wouldn't go as far to say that the the SH will outhandle any 4th gen. My car was originally a SI/4WS so i swapped a JDM VTEC engine with LSD in it. I think my 4WS and LSD give a very big advantage. If I ever go through New Mexico, I'll be sure to look you up.

i was talking stock for stock, you're obviously not stock, hehehe, if you want to get into modded cars, then it all depends on what mods are done, but the SH should be able to take out a stock 4ws or a stock Si VTEC, or and Si, or an S

OK i have a Base 2001 prelude

i'm just wondering how much better does an SH handle over its base counterpart?

cause isnt' the only difference the ATTS?
everything else is the same no?
Engine, Suspension, and the Base is lighter

i'm not sure how your streets are setup, but a good way to tell is find a good intersection with 2 lanes in all directions. hit a left turn in second gear at about 50 with the accelerator mashed. i've never drive a base 5th gen, but the SH hooks the whole way through it, even with the accelerator gassed. this car takes turns stock almost as fast as my CRX did with springs/shocks/sway bars/f-r st bars/and new bushings, the biggest difference it when you gas it in the turn, the SH will pull right through it instead of trying to go straight

are you saying a v-tec is better then the 2.3 ltr

are you saying the 2.3 is better than the vtec?

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/5998961697.jpg

that ain't no 750hp SI engine :D :D :D

I have dynoed my 4th gen against a friends 5th gen both with similar mods being an air intake and exhaust and they both made 104kw at the wheels. So the 190hp to 200hp in my books is a load of crap, its just a myth Honda made up to make them look more efficient.
Oh no someone will say, because honda stated this. Well to tell you the truth I love the Company but they spin alot of shit at the same time.

The wieght difference between the Vtir 94 and the Vtir 98 is spot on 50kg or 110 pounds or around a full tank of fuel. And with the samemods the 4th gen is quicker.

All the best. :flash:

PS My 4th gen is now 300hp. It is only for racing and stop light heroes. I did a 38 second around Calder park whilst the Wrx's do 40's.

Originally posted by cybercrx00
bah.....the 4g prelude is outa style, old news, kinda like an '85 civic. it reminds me of a fat girls, big round buldges and a big round ass. the 5g is clean, smart, and very exquisite. besides, for some reason, you never see a riced out 5g, but 75% of 4gs are.


Buddy u talk way too much!! Sorry just can't stand people dissing the 4th gen! Comparing a 4th gen lude to an 85 civic, well that's just plain ignorance! And i really like my cars big round ass too, rather than your cars little square flat ass!

But don't get me wrong, I really like the 5th gen too, a stock 5th gen definetly looks better than a stock 4th gen, but completely do out both cars(no rice!)...put them side by side, and gauranteed anyone who knows anything about style in cars, will chose the 4th gen!:monkeypis

mad 4th gen styling yo!!

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/940852nicegap_prelude_1.jpg

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/775112prelude.jpg

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/583688red_prelude_1.jpg

hey wats up guys, 4th gen all the way baby!!!!!! it was love at first sight with the 4th gen while the 5th gen took a while to grow on me:D

Cybercrx00: Just some corrections bro

That "SI" engine, used for drag only, is 99.9% likely NOTTT Vtec. Think about it, why would a drag car that spends most of its time in high rpm's need a third lobe. They usually do this for advertisment reasons. (Valve cover)

Secondly. the gearing for the 4th gen is slightly shorther, (better for drag racing, and not that good for MPG, as compare to a 5th gen) The better coffiecieny + lighter weight + shorter gearing = a slightly better 1/4 mile time. Furthermore, Modding a 4th gen (specifically 1992 - 1995) is NOTTT the same as modding a 5th gen lude and 1996 4th gens! this is due in part to the change over from OBDI to OBDII in 1996. The OBDI "responds" to mods better. Don't Even get me started on the 4th Gens BEAUTIFUL & UNIQUE STYLING, BOTH INSIDE AND OUT :eek:

Just thought i would clear some things up, Thanx a lot, and keep up the good work guys

Alan:cool:

hey, my 4th gen prelude doesn't have ugly style like those pictures you posted, with clear taillights, my prelude is in the shop right now, some mexican woman clippedm y z3 fender, and so i decided i would give away my old wings west bumper, for a brand new fiber glass (eek) Black Widow front kit, as soon as i get it back i'll show you my lude

I think the engineers concentrated on more of the cornering aspect on the 5th gen lude.
Considering the fact that the 5th gen has ATTS and slightly stiffer sport suspension. Even a friend of mine who has the 4th gen lude said the 5th gen felt more stiff and tight

I just wish the 5th gen was as fast as the 4th gen on the straights.

Originally posted by cybercrx00
bah.....the 4g prelude is outa style, old news, kinda like an '85 civic. it reminds me of a fat girls, big round buldges and a big round ass. the 5g is clean, smart, and very exquisite. besides, for some reason, you never see a riced out 5g, but 75% of 4gs are.

sorry for my newbie-ness, but what's riced-out mean?

Originally posted by Phily
OK i have a Base 2001 prelude

i'm just wondering how much better does an SH handle over its base counterpart?

cause isnt' the only difference the ATTS?
everything else is the same no?
Engine, Suspension, and the Base is lighter

the front suspension geometry in the SH is a little different than in the base. the cams on the SH are ever so slightly more aggressive than the base, nothing considerable however. the block is shaped different, the oil filter is in a different position, little stuff like that. i've driven both quite aggressively through corners, and i can tell the difference that the ATTS makes, notice i said aggressively. if you don't bother to push your car to the limit on turns, you'll have wasted your money on the SH.
everytime i see a circular off ramp or something similar, it's over. :cool: what i like about the SH is there is virtually no understeer 99% of the time. the front end is pulled into the turn to the point where you become afraid the rear end will come around and out of control.

Originally posted by acarneverdies


sorry for my newbie-ness, but what's riced-out mean?


Well, i'd like to say cybercrx's car but unfortunatly it's not rice.( 4th gen hater!)...just take a really close look at that red lude with ugly ass huge stickers all over it, and that's your definition of riced out! pretty much anything with cheezy ass stickers or stupid little lights everywhere, big ass aluminum wings, etc...

Originally posted by del

everytime i see a circular off ramp or something similar, it's over. :cool: what i like about the SH is there is virtually no understeer 99% of the time. the front end is pulled into the turn to the point where you become afraid the rear end will come around and out of control.

boy does that describe it, sometimes I get so excited I crap my pants!!!

i dno't get it. you all are honda owners. they are people gettin mad and makin fun of each others cars? but anyways. i pick the 5th gen. that is one car that i am soooo jealous of~!!! but when i get my swap and when i put a skyline bumper on it, then it would be different :devil:

i think crx is right. I have a stock (bodied) SH, and I love it. My friend bought a 4th gen, and i honestly didnt think it looked good till it was kitted, lowered, and painted. And now it looks ricey!

5th gen all da way. 4th kinda looks like its got a goofy grin on its face. heh

4th gen all the way I dont know what they where think when they made the lights for the 5th gens. Thats my biggest reason why I didnt get a 5th gen, kinda makes them look like bugs. Sorta like the tail lights for allero's.

my opinion 4th gens better, I don't like the 5th gen inside but has grat tails:cool:

4th gen all the way. bodystyle is superior to the 5th.

I have a h23 with a fresh motor and a exhuast, I have ran 5g vtec with exhaust, intake and header and 5sp from a light i school him, from a roll its a good race no one pulls. Oh did i mention that i was auto.:finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger:

i've driven a 4g and i own a 5g and i personally feel that the 5g out handles the 4g.and i also think the 5g has a classier look to it ,so hands down i would go with the 5g.:argue: :badass:

Originally posted by H23
I have a h23 with a fresh motor and a exhuast, I have ran 5g vtec with exhaust, intake and header and 5sp from a light i school him, from a roll its a good race no one pulls. Oh did i mention that i was auto.:finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger:

ok...either the guy u raced is the worst driver IN THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD or ur lying....cuz there is no way an auto h23 can even fuckin come close to "schooling" an h22...so u can take that damn finger and shove it up ur ass.

Originally posted by 97vtecprelude


ok...either the guy u raced is the worst driver IN THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD or ur lying....cuz there is no way an auto h23 can even fuckin come close to "schooling" an h22...so u can take that damn finger and shove it up ur ass.


You shouldn't be so quick to judge. I go to the strip regularly and watch 5th gen preludes run high 15s and low 16s all the time. I have a stock h23 in my 93 prelude (when I say stock, I mean stock, no I/H/E, nothing.) Anyhow, Last time out to the strip I ran:

At 21.19:

R/T .538
60' 2.312
330 6.500
1/8 9.899@72.61mph
1000 12.849
1/4 15.345@90.12mph

At 22.15:

R/T .474 (I jumped the gun a little bit, oh well.)
60' 2.301
330 6.488
1/8 9.830@72.88mph
1000 12.768
1/4 15.252@90.51mph

Granted, these numbers aren't anything spectacular, but, for a stock 160bhp motor, they're certainly not bad, and I've beaten more than my share of "faster" cars. I'm not disputing that the 5th gen preludes are faster than his car, I'm just saying driver error is easily worth a second in a race.


One more thing:

Originally posted by MARKUSIUDIUS


In Oz a 4th gen weighs between 2720 and 2750 pounds and the 5th gen is between 2800 and 2890 pounds. A think its a little bit more then a little.

I am depressed, because my poor prelude tipped the scales at 2773lbs on her title weight. She apparently needs a diet.

Oh, and, of course, to stay on topic, I think Edmunds.com's Associate editor Liz Kim described the 5th gen prelude best:
"Yes, it's an aged design. No, the interior hasn't been updated since wearing high-tops with denim miniskirts was cool. Yes, it's an ugly piece of machinery. But I still couldn't help but feel affectionate toward the Prelude and its abilities. It does everything well; if not exceedingly, then with more than enough competence. "

Originally posted by cero


I am depressed, because my poor prelude tipped the scales at 2773lbs on her title weight. She apparently needs a diet.

Oh, and, of course, to stay on topic, I think Edmunds.com's Associate editor Liz Kim described the 5th gen prelude best:
"Yes, it's an aged design. No, the interior hasn't been updated since wearing high-tops with denim miniskirts was cool. Yes, it's an ugly piece of machinery. But I still couldn't help but feel affectionate toward the Prelude and its abilities. It does everything well; if not exceedingly, then with more than enough competence. "

let me debate that. i think the 5th gen prelude has aged quite gracefully in its 5 year life span. and in my own opinion, i think it has aged better than most other cars, including hondas. the only exceptions among honda i can think of are the integra and nsx which kept the same design year after year yet remained modern-looking the whole time.

dont' confuse an outdated design with a familiar design. throughout the last gen integra, everyone recognized it, familiar with it, but no one discounted it as out-of-date up until the very end. pretty impressive if you ask me. most cars look "old" after only a couple years out. i think the 5th gen prelude, and hondas in general, age better than most anything else on the road. out of the factory they may seem conservative, bland and boring. and they are. but it's a smart marketing move. coz 4 or 5 years down the line, the car will still look fresher than other cars out there.

del, while your response was great, and I agree with the statement about hondas in general, I think the same aging concept can be applied to the fourth generation prelude. I had a friend (huge BMW fan, to let you know of his tastes) comment on my car the other day, saying that this design of the fourth gen is timeless. he said, if the 4g lude wasn't produced when it was, and rolled off the assembly line tomorrow, it would still look like a newly designed car. he isn't the only person that has said that to me either.

i personally think honda stepped back in their design fron the 4g to the 5g, especially in the interior, but it still works, and works good. the 5g is more technologically superior to the 4g, but i believe the 4g has a more unique aesthetic appeal to it. different strokes for different folks though. it's all a matter of opinion.

I can look at my lude from any direction and see beauty bursting from the body panels. especially the top down on the hood.. ::drools like homer simpson:: I am sure this is the case for most car enthusiasts though.

while hondas might seem to be out of date, their design is timeless (although some of the 80s model hondas are... sub par.. at least the majority of them are not ending up looking like stealth fighters with the hard lines and sharp edges. honda does incorporate this style moderately (S2k), but not so much as to make it look like a new celica. in any case, I know I will be a honda owner for life, and I look forward to what is to come.. 6g prelude someday?

I too am partial to the 4g preludes. The first one that I can remember seeing was a '92, and it was love at first sight. That 92 was what sparked my interest in cars. Granted, a 4g prelude stock bodied I think looks somehow incomplete, but put any kind of body kit on it, from a plainly styled straight drop to one of the curvy or sharp or anything fancy kits, and there is nothing to compare. The 4g body is so versatile, it looks good with anything, and there are virtually limitless possibilities for design. When I got my 93, they also had a 2000 on the lot, but I still chose the 93. I don't like what they did to the rear on the 5g preludes. It's too blocky. I like my nice curvy and yes "fat" rear end. Also, someone mentioned that the 4g looks like it has a goofy grin, all I can say is compare it to the dodge neon or the VW bug and tell me that it's still a goofy grin. I see it as more of a smirk "Yes, I can eat you in a heartbeat... but will I? We'll see"

Originally posted by cybercrx00 bah.....the 4g prelude is outa style, old news, kinda like an '85 civic. it reminds me of a fat girls, big round buldges and a big round ass. the 5g is clean, smart, and very exquisite. besides, for some reason, you never see a riced out 5g, but 75% of 4gs are.

I wouldn't go as far as you never see a riced out 5g, I have seen more than you can count. and where you get 75% of 4gs are riced out?? I have a 5th gen and more than happy with it but the 4th gen is also a great car. I voted for the 5g only cause I owned one but at the end you still got a prelude.

http://www27.brinkster.com/sons/mycarpix/5.jpg look at this beauty

well, i own a 5th gen type-SH.....the only reason i bought a prelude is because i have six friends whom all drive 4th gen preludes......that is why i decided to buy a prelude myself. To me, 4th gen and 5th gen are both unique and special....(i am a die-hard prelude fan) there is no way i can tell you which one is better because they are both great cars that other cars just cant match. btw, i just went to the extremeautofest car show today in pheonix........got a pic of a 4th gen prelude....unbelievable.....i will post the pic as soon as i get it developed......anyhow, in conclusion, both 4th and 5th gen rules....no need for this poll......PRELUDE is the ONE and ONLY car that should never be compared to any others.

Personally, I own a 4g and love it.

However, I think the 5g bodystyle looks great too.

I fell in love with the 4g's ass a long time ago, and couldnt get over it...

Originally posted by ljrlude01

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and where you get 75% of 4gs are riced out??
...


Seattle area..

The other 25% are just sexy though..

i like the 4th gen better cuz it's interior and choices in engines...i like the 5th gen exterior, besides the headlight of coarse...the 4th gen doesn't look aerodynamic as the 5th gen but the 4th gen is faster

Originally posted by toKenaZngUy040
i like the 4th gen better cuz it's interior and choices in engines...i like the 5th gen exterior, besides the headlight of coarse...the 4th gen doesn't look aerodynamic as the 5th gen but the 4th gen is faster

I think you got your 4s and 5s mixed up there toward the end man.. The 4th gen looks and is more aerodynamic than the 5th, but the 5th gen is faster all around.

to tell you the truth - i like both of them equally...

I like the front of the 4th gen....yet the back end of the 5th gen...


...if only i could have both in one :flash:

If you've got the money...

yeah i did get them mixed around at the end....my bad :D but you guys know what i mean...

I like...
Can't decide,
Both are fairly equal in looks and performance to me...
but I'd take the 5th gen because I guess it looks more "classy"
you guys know what I mean?

But of course, if I could, I'd take both:finger:

I'd say the 5th gen takes it in the performance department. ATTS, 220HP.. better technology than the 4th.

Originally posted by Prelewd
I'd say the 5th gen takes it in the performance department. ATTS, 220HP.. better technology than the 4th. Only the JDM Prelude Type-S and SiR S-Spec. came with 220hp!!

Originally posted by Veetec
Only the JDM Prelude Type-S and SiR S-Spec. came with 220hp!!

Still beats the VTEC 4th gen...

Originally posted by Prelewd


Still beats the VTEC 4th gen... Are you talking about JDM or USDM Preludes now?

Originally posted by Veetec
Are you talking about JDM or USDM Preludes now?

All of the above.

Originally posted by Prelewd


All of the above. USDM/ EDM 4th gen Si VTEC Preludes should accelerate a bit faster than USDM/ EDM 5th gen Preludes because they are lighter while having about the same hp. It´s different with JDM Prelude Type-S and SiR S-Spec. though...

Base 5g prelude, USDM:
-200HP
-Curb Weight: 3,042 lbs

Top Model 4g VTEC prelude, USDM:
-190HP
Curb Weight: 2950 lbs


Put half of YOUR girlfriend :D in the passenger seat of the VTEC 4g, and the weight is about even. Line 'em up.. My bet's on the 5g.


I don't recall if the USDM VTEC 4g came with the LSD, but I'm sure the ATTS would give the 5g an advantage off the line if you raced both top model cars..