srt-4 vs. ls1 t/a

alright, i need a little help convincing this one user that an srt-4 can't compete with an ls1. he thinks that a srt-4 can beat an ls1 because an ls1 is only a couple of tenths faster than an lt1 and srt-4s smoke lt1s. he talked about reading up on both of them and the srt-4 will own an ls1. stats please

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=516819
thats the link to where he states srt-4s are faster than ls1s
tell me what you think

SRT-4s are pretty fast.

Stock SRT-4s don't smoke LT1s, secondly an LS1 vs. SRT-4 race isn't even close with the LS1 winning easily, everytime, all things being equal. I don't know what it is about buying an SRT-4 but it seems like everyone who buys one becomes a total idiot afterwards (ok not everyone). SRT-4s are low to mid 14 second cars, LS1s are low 13 second cars.

Dodge SRT-4

230 bhp @ 5300 rpm
250 lb-ft @ 2200 rpm
Curb weight: 2984 lb
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g
Zero to 60 mph: 5.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.4 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.7 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 13.9 sec @ 103 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 153 mph

Trans Am 10th-Anniversary Firehawk

335 bhp @ 5200 rpm
350 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Curb weight 3576 lb
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad 0.88 g
Zero to 60 mph 5.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph 12.2 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph 6.2 sec
Standing 1/4-mile 13.6 sec @ 106 mph

Both of those numbers were taken from Car and Driver.

The 1/4 miles are very close as are the trap speeds...look like in a 1/4 mile race its pretty much a drivers race

Id like to think anything higher than a 1/4 and the massive displacement of the LS1 will pull it ahead in the high range

looks like a drivers race to me too...i've never driven either of these cars, but i suppose the one that's easier to launch would have the advantage

i was surprised that the trans am had a high g rating on the skidpad than the srt

those f bodys handle well for their size.

I've driven both and as much as I like the SRT-4 I have to say LS1 FTW. But it doesn't take much to make an SRT-4 run with an LS1 or faster but then you're talking about a modded car against a stock car which isn't really a fair comparison.

Stock SRT-4s don't smoke LT1s, secondly an LS1 vs. SRT-4 race isn't even close with the LS1 winning easily, everytime, all things being equal. I don't know what it is about buying an SRT-4 but it seems like everyone who buys one becomes a total idiot afterwards (ok not everyone). SRT-4s are low to mid 14 second cars, LS1s are low 13 second cars.

Amen.

Go to a dragstrip and watch for a while, and you'll quickly discover that both LT1s and LS1s are generally faster than the SRT4s. Any talk about SRT4s whipping up on LT1s on a regular basis is nothing but internet forum B.S. with no real evidence to back it up. Don't get me wrong- I actually think an SRT4 is a GREAT car for the money, but a lot of the performance claims are overstated.

If you look in mainstream car mags with proper testing equipment, you'll see that the Srt4s "as tested" 0-60 times are all over the place. It seems the Neon is a bit of a "fair weather friend" that easily succumbs to humidity and heat. The 13 second 1/4 mile times on stock cars usually occur under very ideal circumstances.

Conversely, LT1s and LS1s are pretty even running cars in most conditions.

I dare someone with a stock (or nearly stock) SRT4 to go to the strip and start making $100 bets with Camaro and Corvette guys with LS1 OR LT1 motors. I'd be interested to see just how far in the hole the Neon guy gets before he gives up and leaves.

Of course, the beauty of the Neon is that it CAN be easily modified, and CAN BE MADE to run with an LS1 without spending a ton of cash.

But then again, the downside is that you end up with a torque steering little SOB that, at the end of the day, still looks like a Neon, still smells like a Neon, still feels like a Neon, and ultimately, is still a Neon.

im sorry. your retarded! i never once said that an srt competes with an LS1. read the post you moron. i said that its faster than the LT1, read NOT LS1!!! what a homo

TEXSRT4 One more little out burst like that and you can take a very long holiday from AF.

Now I suggest you aplogise.

im sorry. your retarded! i never once said that an srt competes with an LS1. read the post you moron. i said that its faster than the LT1, read NOT LS1!!! what a homo


see the over-aggressive response? that's the steriods talking...jk

im sorry. your retarded! i never once said that an srt competes with an LS1. read the post you moron. i said that its faster than the LT1, read NOT LS1!!! what a homo

Oh my God! I never thought about it like that! Well, you sure changed our minds!

Oh, wait, I'm sorry. It appears you can't read English! We said that an Lt1 would outrun an Srt-4 as well. Did you know that, in stock form, an Lt1 Camaro SS or Trans Am WS6 is just as fast as an Ls1 Z28 or T/A? Is that hard to understand? Hmmmmm. How could I rephrase that? Would it help if I omit capitalization and punctuation? Maybe I should throw a misspelling or two in there just to make sure you can comprehend what we're saying. Let's try that:

a lt1 could outrun a srt. i didnt say so befor but a 6 speed lt1 trans am ws6 would whip a stock srt4 relly hard but a auto convertible would be a diffrent story does that help to make this more clear!!! what a homo

I apologize for the confusion. Let us know if we can do anything else to clarify the matter for you. (We can write in phonetics if it would help any.)

In the future, don't be like, retarded, man. The plastic fumes from the interiors of all those Srt4s you've been driving must've gone to your head.

i dont even want to get into a debate on car and driver, motor trend, etc. but their numbers are garbage. 13.6 for an ls1??? jesus h...whos driving that car, a 95 yr old lady? i pulled off a 13.6 in a bone stock 96 cobra. my 01 ws6 wouldve run that thing through the ground. theres also this huge myth surrounding the ws6 and ss as being somehow god-like. its the name that is hyped up as if they are on two entirely different playing fields; a z28 and a ss is practically a dead-even matchup...they changed the hood..whoopee doo.
to get this back on subject..any car can be made fast. a 4cyl civic hatch can take down a viper for the right amount of $. but all things being equal a srt4 < lt1 < ls1. period.

I've gotta agree with you on all of the above points. Especially the SS vs Z28 argument. They were pretty much the same thing, with just fractions of a second separating their performance in stock form. Based on what I've seen, the differences between the LT1 SS and Z28 models might have been just a little greater than the differences between the LS1 SS and Z28 models. However, a chip and intake would MORE than make up the differences that existed between each respective trim level, regardless.

As far as the Neon argument goes, I'm not sure why some people want to argue that the LT1 was so much slower than the Ls1. Yes, I would take the LS over the LT in a heartbeat, but the LT was still a hot motor- especially in its last years. My God man, it made 330hp in the last Corvettes, and had a reputation for being underrated.

The LS1 is just one hell of a motor, regardless of year or model.

yea, and lets not get started on the ls6, ls2, ls7 and possible ls9...theyre ridiculous

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/srt-4/2/B38460C8-335D-4F4D-9B62-36D123A0C25B.htm

LT1 vs SRT4

Both probably have some basic bolt ons but either way it's quite clear.


LS1 won't even get touched. You SRT4 people argue that it's cheap to go fast.

Well, throw a $200-300 cam in an LS1 with the basic stuff like exhaust and lid and you've got well over 400RWHP.:smokin:

The Truth:
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/SRT4/3/3B696093-9EBF-4907-AE86-C56648EB06AE.htm


And also, I work at a Dodge dealership... and about 90% of the SRT4 owners that come in are seemingly dumbass teenagers. Full of themselves.

pffffffffffffft

the SRT-4 just cant take a V8 F-body in a stock race. its not gonna happen

now, with mods, yes

the you can get more power out of the V8 for less money then you can with the SRT-4

pffffffffffffft

the SRT-4 just cant take a V8 F-body in a stock race. its not gonna happen

now, with mods, yes

the you can get more power out of the V8 for less money then you can with the SRT-4

They could take a 3rd gen or maybe a 2nd gen but not a 4th gen that's for sure.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/srt-4/2/B38460C8-335D-4F4D-9B62-36D123A0C25B.htm

LT1 vs SRT4

Both probably have some basic bolt ons but either way it's quite clear.


LS1 won't even get touched. You SRT4 people argue that it's cheap to go fast.

Well, throw a $200-300 cam in an LS1 with the basic stuff like exhaust and lid and you've got well over 400RWHP.:smokin:

The Truth:
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/SRT4/3/3B696093-9EBF-4907-AE86-C56648EB06AE.htm


And also, I work at a Dodge dealership... and about 90% of the SRT4 owners that come in are seemingly dumbass teenagers. Full of themselves.


this vid is evidence, i mean now you can say... oh he didnt have a good run, but the second run the srt had a jump on him. personally i would go firebird, why? over all better tech, i mean firebirds were what in their 30's when neons came around. they have had the time to work out all the kinks, they know what works. the srt4 < if dodge kept it, and adjusted and tinkered, maybe just maybe, but i just dont think it has the power, the proper setup( turbos gotta spoolup), the aerodynamics, i mean firebird was a cornerstone to pontiac, it was good for a reason. (not to offend anyone, i know this discussion has even rippled into other forums, and people have goten pretty pissed over it)

i've destroyed alot of srt4's, as far as i'm concerned they're just another neon, they may give it a different name, but it's still a neon as long as it's got those testicle shaped headlights. i think a 3rd or 4th gen v6 is about the only f-body an srt4 can race and be confident of a win.