How to beat a ford probe

Ford Probes aroud 96 are the big car where i live i cant stand them. is there any way short of a turbo i could beat one with a 90 teg ls. Most of the probes only have body kits and a resonater nothing else. There may be a handfull out of litraly hundreds that have boltons. Right now im stock except rims and springs.

First off..... Wht size engine is the Ls engine is it a 1.8l or 1.7l (rare)

If it is the 1.8l there are ALOT of Turbos out there for it..... try HKS or GReddy

how fast are probes? i thought they shouldn't be a problem. for cost effectiveness just get a vtec head for your ls. should be able to get one for ~$300 at www.thepartstrader.com

Originally posted by Mugen_R

I hate that car cause it's a ford

Thats kinda a dumb reason to hate a car isnt it? Ford has made some good stuff in their day...

Pyter400, is your car a stick or an auto? If its a stick, you could probably win just by hitting your shifts, if its an auto... umm I doubt you will win. *shrugs*

-Grendel

Ive got the 1.8 litre and its a stick i do hit my shifts the tires break all the way through 4 gear if only a little. i keep up through first but the get me coming out of seconda shift at red or a little before.

Throw a cold air intake on that. Should give you that little extra boost you need to smoke them probes.

You should beat them anyhow. But oh well.

Originally posted by pyter400
Ive got the 1.8 litre and its a stick i do hit my shifts the tires break all the way through 4 gear if only a little. i keep up through first but the get me coming out of seconda shift at red or a little before.

You mean you can chirp every gear up to 4th? My friend has a GSR, and he has only chirped 3rd once... *shrugs*

I can only chirp 2nd on my car, but thats probably because my clutch is dying...

-Grendel

I used to drive an 88 accord with very little clutch the las day i drove it to get my teg it droped out and i drove it like that for over a year the last day i had to start it in gear rev it to over red and just slam it to the next gear. when i got my new car with an actuall clutch i could stop spining the tires in first it ive actually chirped them going into 5 but i did that once just to do it i just reved and droped just to see if it could do it
its all about forgeting about the safety of you car and relizing you can fix it when you get home.

Originally posted by pyter400
I used to drive an 88 accord with very little clutch the las day i drove it to get my teg it droped out and i drove it like that for over a year the last day i had to start it in gear rev it to over red and just slam it to the next gear. when i got my new car with an actuall clutch i could stop spining the tires in first it ive actually chirped them going into 5 but i did that once just to do it i just reved and droped just to see if it could do it
its all about forgeting about the safety of you car and relizing you can fix it when you get home.

Oh, so you mean that shifting from say 2nd to 3rd, you just hold in the clutch, put it in third, rev it up and then drop the clutch? I bet I could chirp my gears that way, but I wouldnt be able to fix it when it broke :P

I thought you meant you could chirp em all just shifting quick... :)

-Grendel

i can only get em to go up to 3rd shifting quick

Originally posted by pyter400
i can only get em to go up to 3rd shifting quick

I wish I could chirp 3rd, mabey when I buy a new clutch (if I keep this car)

A guy at the local import part place said an ACT stage 2 would be good... *shrugs*

-Grendel

Fords do suck........ The only ford i would drive would be the Lightining and (Not reall a ford) But a 67' GT500.... But i couldnt fford a GT500

Originally posted by SwiftyR
Fords do suck........ The only ford i would drive would be the Lightining and (Not reall a ford) But a 67' GT500.... But i couldnt fford a GT500

Thats too broad of a statement... Ford kicked ass back in the day in racing... They also had some bad ass muscle...

They still have some good cars, Cobra R Mustang, F150 Lightning... I'm sure there are at least a few other good ones they make :P

-Grendel

Ok people, the probe is the biggest POS ever, a friend of mine has one and has spent $2500 on it (repairs, not mods, repairs)

Also on the chirping thing, I can do it into second but not third.

Originally posted by SwiftyR
First off..... Wht size engine is the Ls engine is it a 1.8l or 1.7l (rare)

If it is the 1.8l there are ALOT of Turbos out there for it..... try HKS or GReddy
there is no 1.7 ls engine. you might be thinking of the 92+ integra gsr which has a 1.7 DOHC VTEC engine. that is the only 1.7liter engine that honda made that i know of, all 90+ ls engines are 1.8

Originally posted by SwiftyR
First off..... Wht size engine is the Ls engine is it a 1.8l or 1.7l (rare)

If it is the 1.8l there are ALOT of Turbos out there for it..... try HKS or GReddy
there is no 1.7 ls engine. the only 1.7 liter engine produced by honda that i know of only comes in 92-93 integra gsr's which was the first DOHC VTEC engine we got here in the states.

and about the turbo kit, any turbo kit for a 90-93 integra will fit wether its a 1.7 or 1.8. actually any turbo kit made for a b-seies (b16,b17,b18) will fit perfectly except for the piping

Originally posted by pyter400
ive actually chirped them going into 5 but i did that once just to do it i just reved and droped just to see if it could do it
its all about forgeting about the safety of you car and relizing you can fix it when you get home.
the reason why you squealed the tires going into 5th was because they locked up for a sec, not because the tires were trying to spin faster than the car was going so that dont count

i could chirp going into third in my old sohc vtec civic but i had a ceramic non-sprung clutch

Originally posted by pyter400
Ford Probes aroud 96 are the big car where i live i cant stand them. is there any way short of a turbo i could beat one with a 90 teg ls. Most of the probes only have body kits and a resonater nothing else. There may be a handfull out of litraly hundreds that have boltons. Right now im stock except rims and springs.

if any of them has a engine swap,you cant beat them

Didnt the Civic EX have vtec beginning in 92 also?

Does anyone know where the Probe redlines at? Its just an old despute between a friend and I....thanks :)

Originally posted by Tarteg
Does anyone know where the Probe redlines at? Its just an old despute between a friend and I....thanks :)

check www.probetalk.com

Hey everybody i figured out why im not beating them i had a bad head gasket and was losing a crapload of compression thru my radiator.
once i fixed that i started cooking the unmoded ones sorry about that

you should be able to beat a ford probe with a stock engine, 8 mexicans in the car and 80 octane gas, my friend has a 94 i think, with turbo, stock, think it has 120hp!

they dont make turbo probes stock do they?

my friend has a 94 GT and im sure if they turbo one theyd turbo the GT and his isnt turbo, and it is quick. I had a 94 RS with I/H/E and it was a 5 speed and this kid use to have a 92 SHO 5 speed and my car was barely slower than that sho. he thinks his probe is faster than his SHO and I dont know about that but it is a fast car.

and I think stock his has alot more than 120 HP and if he had a urbo hed have a fast as hell car.

some 1st gen. probe do come with turbo..watch out

92+ HB civic si comes with vtec..ex didn't get vtec until 94

a buddies 91 se-r chirps going into 4th..sweet

i/h/e 5 spd g2 teg will smoke a 4cyl(n/a) probe any day (if you're good, you WILL take out the v6 also)....I've done it..:D


feel free to correct my mistakes...

:finger:

heres what I know about probes;
-firts ones are slow and there is turbo modles, all GTs. If someone knew what they were doing and went and improved the TC and everything related to it it could be pretty nice, but very restrictive stock
-1st gen V6s are the same 3.0 put in early taruses, 130 hp.
-2nd gen 93-97 GTs have a 2.5 dohc 160hp

all the high school morons from my area drive probes too, they all think that every mod they do adds 20 hp and the probe is the best car in the world, yeah right, check the recalls.

Originally posted by kidM0UA
some 1st gen. probe do come with turbo..watch out

92+ HB civic si comes with vtec..ex didn't get vtec until 94

a buddies 91 se-r chirps going into 4th..sweet

i/h/e 5 spd g2 teg will smoke a 4cyl(n/a) probe any day (if you're good, you WILL take out the v6 also)....I've done it..:D


feel free to correct my mistakes...

:finger:


yes I know, I had a 3rd gen integra though, but yeah with IHE Id smoke the 4 cylinders, and I am not trying to brag but I am a damn good driver, but so is he. He is actuyally the best driver Ive ridden in a car with. His clutch slips now if he takes it to 7 and shifts fast so he has to shift slowly and not get right on the gas or it will just rev and go nowhere, but Ive been in it and once hes sure it is holdign and he steps on it, it takes off. couldnt tell you for sure abou this probe vs. my integra because his probees cluthc slips and I dont eeven have my integra anymore.

I'd say throw on I/H/E and you'll smoke lots of probes not that you'll gain alot of hp with those 3 but just enough to give you that little extra edge,I used to have an ls with those mods and I beat a couple probes unless there turboed or some sort of major mods done to them they ain't shit.

Why isnt the Ford F150 Lightning not a Ford? True its upgraded by The SVT department... but Its still a Ford. Thats like saying a Nissan Skyline's tuned by Nismo isnt really a Nissan... or a Chevy Nova tuned by Yenko isnt really a Chevy... I could go on, but why?

And if you hate probes, then you must not like Mazda. Cause they make the engine and the rest of the drivetrain. Its basically a MX-6 with Ford badging. Its cheaper for Ford to have Mazda produce the car and put the Blue Oval on them. And Im sure if they put as much money as you did into your car their cars would be just as fast.

Mustangs (SVT Cobra) have the same technology as you do, they have DOHC on a V8... I wouldnt Consider them to be slow by any means.

390hp
390tq
84.8 hp per liter. Not bad for an american slug huh?

Lets not hate other cars just cause they're there. Have a good reason, like "it randomly rolls over when i put it into park." Then we can all agree that yes the Festiva is a crappy car.

Do I even need to mention that the SVT Focus makes more power than a Civic Si and it handles better and its a roomier car AND its cheaper? I hope not.

just my .02 :)

I do not flame, I just inform.

Originally posted by GSR

the reason why you squealed the tires going into 5th was because they locked up for a sec, not because the tires were trying to spin faster than the car was going so that dont count

i could chirp going into third in my old sohc vtec civic but i had a ceramic non-sprung clutch


my integra chirped all the time into 3rd, thats it, never inot 4th, but juts shifting quick I could get it to peel out for a solid 3-4 seconds into 2nd sometimes, when it ewas wet, id peel out through the whole gear.

but I dont get what you mean by the tires locked up, if you rev the engine and then drop the clutch, why would the wheels lock up, they ar4e trying to spin faster than thew ar is goign so why would they just lock up
i could see if you did it that way when downshifting it could happen but not from 4th to 5th

Hey guys, i happened to be reading this forum and saw this topic. Some of you may not like probes but let me tell you from experience, they are quick.

1994-1997 Probe GT

Hp: 162 stock
Torque: 160 lb-ft

Car and Driver
0-60: 7.0sec
1/4 mile: 15.0 sec

What is amazing is that the torque curve is VERY flat on these cars so we get power throughout the rev range.

Now, in my case i have a CAI and a borla exhaust as well as synthetic tranny fluids and oil.

Dyno results have shown that with the above setup i'm running at:
175 hp
170 lb-ft
with the whole powerband moved higher especially the high end.

My point is that the probe is very quick before any mods and with them it can be a hard car to beat. I have only done minor bolt-ons. But drop in the japaneese version of our engine (200hp) with a turbo and nos and hold on.

Also, the ford probe can easily out handle any mustang/firebird/camero because of its suspension, 225 tires and low hight off the ground. This can be seen by the g-force results.

Anyway, i just thought i'd give you some insight into the probe.

Later,
Dan

ok, so a stock probe is 7 seconds, what do you trhink a 94 rs integra with short ram intake, dc sports 4-2-1 headers, and 2.25 inch not brand name exhaust.

do you think it could at all keep up with the probe, my friend got a probe and is saying it is faster than my integra was and that it handled as good or better, I kinda bel;ieve him about the speed but not the handling, my car literally sat on its front tires and the rears were an inch up into the fenders, stut bar and 205/40/17's

he has stock suspension, but he has some nice 225/??/16 and i had bfg euro up front and roadhuggers on the rear.

do any of you think i could have outhandled or out accelerated him?

and another thing... if you get your license revoked in one state is it automatically transfered to another state?

I want to drive again so bad, 3 more years is too much.
I was drinking and waited to when i think i could have drove, but had to stop for a friend to puke or something and then the cop came around the corner and pulled over and smelt it on the other person so they tested me too and i was at .042 but since im a minor it is a dui, then the first time i take my car out without it, I get pulled over and caught. :mad:

You may be able to keep pace with the probe from 0-60mph with those mods but in the quarter mile (a truer indicator of who will eventually win the race) the probe is hard to beat.

Many cars can do 0-60 in 6.7sec but then you look at the 1/4 mile times and they're running 15.5sec.

As far as handling i'm not to familiar with how well your setup works but the probe is one of the best handling cars out there. I think it was measured at 0.95 g's. In comparison, mustangs & cobras are rated at 0.85-0.90 g's. A celica GT-S would probably be close in handling but still lacks the power we probers enjoy.

However, though it takes quite a few mods to make a large difference in your times, i find there is one thing that you can do to give yourself a large advantage. That is LEARN TO DRIVE YOUR CAR!!! If you are a great shifter and the guy with the faster car isn't, you can come out on top. This is one of the most overlooked aspects of racing. Just because your car can technically do 0-60 in 7 sec doesn't mean that you'll be able to get it there. Our probes do it in 7sec but many of us can't get it there stock.

he is one of those guys that would do a 6.9, maybe not but he is GOOD at driving, I would bet if a magazine said 7.0 and i had some practice I think i could get a 7.1 or so out of it. but i think my handling worked really good. and do you know what95 mustang v6 coupes held on the skidpad, in dont think my car held even .80, maybe .75 or something it is honestly one of the worst handling cars ive driven or even rode in someone elses babystang.

but my integra i took corners at 3x their reccomended speed, worked on all but the 10, lol, i could barely hold it to the road.

my friend also told me of the car and driver comparison of probe and gsr of 94 and the probe won almost every thing. I was pissed

cuz i dont think his cheap ass ford car should be able to be as fast as a 10G to get a nice GSR of the same year.

has anyone seen this article? i havent seen his yet

Originally posted by dan1994gt

As far as handling i'm not to familiar with how well your setup works but the probe is one of the best handling cars out there. I think it was measured at 0.95 g's. In comparison, mustangs & cobras are rated at 0.85-0.90 g's. A celica GT-S would probably be close in handling but still lacks the power we probers enjoy.


BZZZT! The skidpad on a probe is 0.86g. 0.92 and above is rarely seen outside of the exotic and expensive (Corvette Z06, Acura NSX, etc), because it's quite difficult to get into a stock system.

Mustang GT's I believe are 0.88 or 0.89 on the skidpad, and the cobra is 0.91. These numbers can be very misleading, though. A lot more goes into traction than meets the eye. Weight distribution, damping rates, front-wheel vs rear-wheel vs all-wheel drive, and most important, MASS. I did the math at one point in time to show the "experienced" difference in traction between a Mustang GT (0.88g) and an Integra GS-R (0.84g). Due to the weight differences (i think it was 3300lbs versus 2700 lbs), the integra could actually do a turn at 74mph that the mustang could only do at 60. And that's BEFORE taking into effect that the integra understeers (you aren't going to fishtail) while the mustang oversteers (expect to spin aimlessly if you aren't careful).

Good thing about the integra is that its tires and suspension are easily upgraded, and can yield MUCH higher skidpad numbers. on stock wheels with good tires and better suspension, it's a trivial matter to get to 0.88-0.89g on the skidpad. Due to the understeering nature (largely corrected by the new suspension) and light weight of the car, that means it can WAY outhandle the competition on the real road.

Okay, i checked and you're right about the skidpad numbers, well almost. Here's what i found:

Ford Probe GT: 0.87g (Motor Trend)

2000 Acura Integra GSR: 0.84g (Edmunds)

2000 Camero SS: 0.87g (Edmunds)

2000 Ford Mustang GT: 0.86g (Edmunds)

2000 Ford Mustang Cobra: 0.87g (Edmunds)

2000 Honda Prelude: 0.81-0.83g (Edmunds)

2000 Toyota Celica GT-S: 0.87g (Edmunds)

2000 Acura RSX: 0.82g (Motor Trend)

Now, the way i see it is that the Probe beats most of the cars in its class in this area. Only the V8's can seem to match it. But, as you pointed out, the probe is much lighter than those cars (ex. Mustang GT: 4000 lbs- friend has one - Probe GT - 2800 - 3000 lbs). This means that the probe will take turns faster according to your reasonnig. Therefore, though my numbers were off, my point still stands thtat the Probe is one of the best handing cars.

To add to my point, i have been using a car analysis program available on the net (CarTest) which is quite accurate (gear ratios, coefficient of friction - with lots of pre-entered info). I put a Mustang GT against my Probe on the track. The mustang has 100 more hp and 140 more lb-ft of torque. But on the track, they got the same times. The handing of the Probe compensated for the power difference.

Last, i believe that new suspension/wheels/tires can make the acura a much better handling car. But the same applies to many cars. I would love to see what numbers i'd get by upgrading the suspension on my probe. I figure 0.90 would be easily in range.

This is not met to be a competition, all of these cars are very worthy sports cars. This is purely meant to be informative since often we know little about one another's cars.

Later,
Dan

Originally posted by dan1994gt


Now, the way i see it is that the Probe beats most of the cars in its class in this area. Only the V8's can seem to match it. But, as you pointed out, the probe is much lighter than those cars (ex. Mustang GT: 4000 lbs- friend has one - Probe GT - 2800 - 3000 lbs). This means that the probe will take turns faster according to your reasonnig. Therefore, though my numbers were off, my point still stands thtat the Probe is one of the best handing cars.





Since when do Mustangs weigh 4000lbs? I dont remember them tipping the 2 ton scale last time i checked.

I take it you have a 94 Probe GT?
Weight - 2700lbs
Horsepower - 164
Torque - 160

Lets look at a 94 Mustang GT
Weight - 3300lbs
Horsepower - 215
Torque - 285

Lets throw in the 94 Camaro Z28 for kicks...
Weight - 3400lbs
Horsepower - 275
Torque - 325


Hmmm something tells me the V8s arent as fat as you'd expected. I dont know what you're friend did to his Mustang GT to make it 4000lbs but its absolutely no wonder you people think the V8 cars are slow. Especially when you add on 700 imaginary pounds to its curb weight. Sheesh people!

Be a Hero, Buy a V8!

Originally posted by RedNeck383




Since when do Mustangs weigh 4000lbs? I dont remember them tipping the 2 ton scale last time i checked....

Hmmm something tells me the V8s arent as fat as you'd expected. I dont know what you're friend did to his Mustang GT to make it 4000lbs but its absolutely no wonder you people think the V8 cars are slow. Especially when you add on 700 imaginary pounds to its curb weight. Sheesh people!

Be a Hero, Buy a V8!

True, the specs do say that the curb weight for the mustang is 3300lbs or around....but my friend had a convertable which will be a couple hundred pounds heavier. Plus, he read it off his own sticker apparently that it was close to 4000lbs. Whatever...anyway, you seem to be missing my point:

1. I am NOT comparing the Probe to a V8. There is no contest in power. And F.Y.I. i am not "you people". I like stangs and cameros and might buy one one day .... becasue they ARE fast.
2. I am simply stating that the Probe will rival these muscle cars in handling or even beat them.
3. The probe will outhandle almost all of the cars in its class. This is my main point. Yes, many cars can match the PGT in a straight line, but few can keep up with it in a real-world race on a track (a true indicator of a sports car).

My probe gets 32 on the highway. And I have the gt

Originally posted by Tarteg
Does anyone know where the Probe redlines at? Its just an old despute between a friend and I....thanks :)

They have a top speed of 137 at 7000 rpm which would be at redline.

Originally posted by Eppo
you should be able to beat a ford probe with a stock engine, 8 mexicans in the car and 80 octane gas, my friend has a 94 i think, with turbo, stock, think it has 120hp!

No he doesnt. The stock turbos stopped at 92. 93 The normally asperated v6 with 164hp had barely more power than the stock turbos.

I'm a domestic guy, i own a 2000 Z24 moded. I can give you a comparison to help you figure out how fast probes are. In my car i have intake/62mmTB/exhaust, or at least when i raced the probe, and a probe GT with the same mods was balls even with me. He was at my door handle the entire time. I run low 15's. So thats what you can expect from probe GT's with a stick. Also to give you a better comparrison i raced another buddy of mine with a moded up integraLS. He has full exhaust/intake/short shifter and couple other little things. I beet him preaty bad like more than a car length. Best thing i think you can do is get all the bolt ons, and get a low shot of nitrous. I know a kid who raced another friend of mine who has a GSR, and this kid beet him with the LS integra cause he sprays. So for 500.00 your problem can be solved.so an intake alone won't help you like that other guy said, but that stuff is like the very basics in mods you should already have that if your into racing. I like GSR's my buddy has one and he beets me by a car length or so everytime, but not for long. I just ordered 811.00 worth of stuff so it better be close.

i never used to hate probes until i saw this one loser kid that goes to my school probe. its an automatic and has no modifications except some shitty underglow that you can see the wires it looks like he taped a flashlight to the bottom and called it underglow its so shitty. and then a little bit of neon on the interior and he thinks that him and his probe are top shit. and the only time he uses the underglow is when its parked in someones driveway cause he thinks it makes him look cool and hes afraid of cops. lol and thats why i hate probes

well, simply because people don''t like ford doesnt mean the probe sucks. being as the engine for the probe kl-03 is a mazda engine and the tranny is as well its not really ford in that aspect. also, the probe GT's produce 164 HP and 157 torque. I own a 95 GT and raced an integra one night we had the same mods. intake and exhaust. we raced from a couple different lights and i took him every time. we got going like 100 MPH and then i backed off cause i really dont need a.) an excessive speeding ticket and b.) a ticket for street racing.
im not gonna knock a GSR though ive driven them and they are nice. and yes hondas are better in fuel economy and overall engine life, but in this case a probe GT will beat a GSR with the same mods (unless the GSR has supercharger, turbo, or nitrous)

peace,
Dan:bandit:

i have nothing against ford.. i just don't like probes.. lol..
they are ugly as hell too.. but hey that's why i don't own one..

I actually know guy who has a probe and has done mods on it like a MSD ignition, plugs, wires , header pipe , and intake . He put on the dyno and it only had 135 HP . WHATS THE PROBLEM !!!!!!!! :apoke:

alright, I just registered here after this thread was brought up on www.probetalk.com. Im not here to flame, just kinda get some of the misinformation corrected, so you guys have a better knowledge base to work from. There are two generations of Ford Probes. Both gens are joint ventures with Mazda, and are essentially idenctical to Mazda MX6s, and both contain mostly Mazda mechanicals. The first gens (88-92)were powered by either a 2.2 n/a 4 cyl, or a turbo 4. Ford also offered one of its Vulcan V6s in the later first gens (the only real "ford-powered" probe). The second gens come with either a mazda 2.5l v6 making 164 hp and either 156 (93) or 160-something (94-97) lb/ft of torque, or a 130hp mazda 2.0l 4. The second gens (seeing as this seems to be what we're talking about here) weighed in at roughly 2800lbs, depending on options (the ATXs are like 150 lbs heavier). Most V6 powered second gens run a mid-15 second quater mile (the 93s are known to be slightly quicker, some even hit high 14s with few bolt-ons). The I4s generally run a high 16, if I remember correctly. The Probe did indeed pull .88g in MotorTrends '93 Car of the Year competition, and is equipped with 225/50/16 tires mounted on 16x7 stock rims. Honestly, in the corners is where the car really shines, even in stock form.

Now, lets see, we've shot down the fact that its a "ford, so it must suck," and styling is a personal preference (you find me another 10 year old car that still looks this good). As far as disliking a car, simply because you met one person you dont like driving one...thats just stupid. Probes are cheap, which makes them attractive to a lot of first time car buyers, which unfortunetely reflects badly on the community...but I guarentee for every one asshole Probe driver, there are 30 asshole Honda drivers :shrug:. Either way, just thought I'd try and clear up some of the confusion, if you have any more questions you can always visit www.probetalk.com and do some searching.

Edit: Just some more stuff for reference, most ATX second gen V6s run mid-high 16s, and ATX I4s generall run high 17s. Just cause you beat an ATX I4 (SE model) Probe does not mean you can beat a 5-spd GT. You'd also want to watch out for GTs that have performed a Mazda KLZE engine swap. Its the same 2.5l engine with higher compression, hotter cams, and reworked head and intake manifold design. They are JDM engines (never imported), but put down in the neighborhood of 200hp. We recently had a ZE powered GT run a 14.0 1/4 mile with only bolt-ons and some weight reduction.

I know I concentrated mostly on second gen GTs, but thats what most people think of when someone says "Probe," and I honestly am not a first gen/second gen four cylinder expert.

i saw this on probetalk, and had to read/reply
ok i completly stand with quad cam.. i had a PGT, and intend on getting another. everyone around my area think that probes are shitty slow cars. for the fact almost all of them are bases or SEs. there are very few GTs around me. the GT is very quick for what it is. i mean what sport compact can pull away from another at speed in 5th gear???? none. my friends lude can even do that, and hes got a insane car.

everytime a civic or teg would pull up to me i would laugh right at them. give them a head start and then reel them in, pass them, and laugh my ass off. probes are great.

the reviews for the car, said that they out handle most factory cars, out brake them etc. overall the loved the car. i recomend you to drvie a GT if you get the chance.

also the probe is based of the mazda mx-6. so just cuz it says ford, doesnt give it all the ford problems.

mods for the car are alot harder to find than a honda. you guys have bolt on turbo kits. we have to make a fully custom kit. your 3-4k complete ready to go kits compared to 7+k for us. but yet the beauty of ours is that 10psi is equal to your 20psi.(GTs that is). base and SE models are just slow. i admit that. they are the cheap econo car.

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Originally posted by Marasmus


BZZZT! The skidpad on a probe is 0.86g. 0.92 and above is rarely seen outside of the exotic and expensive (Corvette Z06, Acura NSX, etc), because it's quite difficult to get into a stock system.

Mustang GT's I believe are 0.88 or 0.89 on the skidpad, and the cobra is 0.91. These numbers can be very misleading, though. A lot more goes into traction than meets the eye. Weight distribution, damping rates, front-wheel vs rear-wheel vs all-wheel drive, and most important, MASS. I did the math at one point in time to show the "experienced" difference in traction between a Mustang GT (0.88g) and an Integra GS-R (0.84g). Due to the weight differences (i think it was 3300lbs versus 2700 lbs), the integra could actually do a turn at 74mph that the mustang could only do at 60. And that's BEFORE taking into effect that the integra understeers (you aren't going to fishtail) while the mustang oversteers (expect to spin aimlessly if you aren't careful).

Good thing about the integra is that its tires and suspension are easily upgraded, and can yield MUCH higher skidpad numbers. on stock wheels with good tires and better suspension, it's a trivial matter to get to 0.88-0.89g on the skidpad. Due to the understeering nature (largely corrected by the new suspension) and light weight of the car, that means it can WAY outhandle the competition on the real road.


Wow, that is one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read. :bloated:

Not ripping on you personally, but please refrain from posting completely useless information if you can help it.

Do you have any concept of lateral acceleration? By definition, a car with a higher skid pad score will take a constant radius turn at a greater velocity. I have no idea what math you used to produce your numbers.

Weight plays no factor in lateral acceleration.

Hit the books buddy, and try again later.

I removed several posts on this thread that were antagonistic flames and had NOTHING to offer to the value of this thread

This is just my opinion but i don't think that my post should have been removed. i have seen posts that actually contained flameful remarks and they are still up for all eyes to see. Mine had none of that. don't let the moderator power go to your head

ok first of all ford probes are the same as my mazda mx6 same engine and chasis, and 2 on stock 93's there were no turbos, and ou stock turbos engines before 93 have about 160 whp so dude the whole 80 mexicans thing is whack, my car now has over 200 whp with like four mods so to all pf yoo who ids fords and mazdas ha ha kiss my big italian booty!:thefinger


don't get me wrong i dig hondas as a matter of fact i had a 90 prelude that i was in love with so i'm not just dissin honda guys, but give props where props er due and if you don't know shit about what your saying don't say a thing, I'm not being rude just truthful

oh and as fars as the redline goes it depends on what model year and make this is how it lines out the probe/mx6's: 88-92 gt's turbo 2.2l about 160 the lower models such as the lx and se had like 120, the secong generations 93-97 there were two models a six cyl 2.5 and a for cyl 2.0 the 2.0 had like 140 stock and the 2.5 160

and if they had an engine drop they are as mean as shit they j-spec mx-6 motors have allot more hp and i have a friend with a turbo mx6 2.5 with close to 400 whp!!!! no shit his car is fast

so i hope this sets things straight, and BTW i just joined this ite to respond to this thread :tongue: :biggrin:

Man this has to be the slowest forum ever, and to PaulD.. you da man lol, keep it up brother your doing a bang up job :rolleyes: lol

Originally posted by firebomb


the secong generations 93-97 there were two models a six cyl 2.5 and a for cyl 2.0 the 2.0 had like 140 stock and the 2.5 160

and if they had an engine drop they are as mean as shit they j-spec mx-6 motors have allot more hp and i have a friend with a turbo mx6 2.5 with close to 400 whp!!!! no shit his car is fast

so i hope this sets things straight, and BTW i just joined this ite to respond to this thread :tongue: :biggrin:

the 2.0 liter has Zero power, I think they have like 120 or so, and the V6 thros out 164 to be exact. and what mods does your frined have that he has 400 WHP on a 6? dont get me wrong I drive a 2nd gen PGT but i kind of doubt that kind of power on a stock engine. KL-03 or the KLZE. and BTW the KLZE doesnt have ALOT more power it has 200 Hp stock, 35 more....not that much :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Whitey


if any of them has a engine swap,you cant beat them

this may not count cuz i got a 93 integra gs-r (1.7 dohc vtec) and my friend has a 95 probe gt with a mazda 626 swap (2.7 instead of 2.5 i think) he also has racing clutch and exhaust but my car pulls out a win every time (gs-r topend dominates the probe)

your crazy!! i have a 93 ford probe gt and i spank V8's all day long!! I kept up with a cobra svt until about 80 (but the speed limit was only 40 so i slowed down). but everybody under-estimates what probes can really do. i admit that probes arn't the best looking things but they are pretty quick. my probe ran a 15.2 stock. there arn't many stock domestic V6's that can do that. but once i get it back i would race any V8 that got up next to me.

your crazy!! i have a 93 ford probe gt and i spank V8's all day long!! I kept up with a cobra svt until about 80 (but the speed limit was only 40 so i slowed down). but everybody under-estimates what probes can really do. i admit that probes arn't the best looking things but they are pretty quick. my probe ran a 15.2 stock. there arn't many stock domestic V6's that can do that. but once i get it back i would race any V8 that got up next to me.

ok, i understand ur a newb, so here we go.

one...15.2, good luck keeping up w/ most V8's.

two...don't bring up 4 month old threads that are dead to add something. if u'd like, start ur own thread and state ur opinion there.

three...welcome to the board.

Ford do suck
but i have a truck there good trucks
but the cars suck, they are trying so hard to fit into the import market. For example: the american dream "THE FORD FOCUS!!!" of the dangerous "FORD PROBE!!"
but as we know they sould not take a lot to beat it, try to get a new clucth and a intake and a 2.5" pipe with a preformace muffler and it will beat those lousy things called "probes"
beware of the "probe" jajajaja
but as

Throw a cold air intake on that. Should give you that little extra boost you need to smoke them probes.

You should beat them anyhow. But oh well.


hey what's a chirp? i drive auto, so i have no idea. btw if i see some intake systems for type r and gsr...will they fit mine? (rs) and another thing. i hear that 3" pipes are too friggin fat for my 1.8l...is this true? thanks a lot

get a vtec head.....drop the car about 1.8 in front and rear...get a stage 2 clutch adn flywheel....if u still have some cash.. get a header...ull run 13s and spank a pos probe.. even if its v6..try to invest in a fuel pump and some better brakes.. like slotted..ull be fast but if u cant stop its worthless....remove ur ac and ps. and ull feel the diff..go to www.g2ic.com and learn about ur motor...the ls has alot of torque and the vtec head will def. give u top end..make sure the head is complete w/ distributor and intake man..theres a meet in pa. next week if u live in the area holla back///////////////
:loser: dont let an american tuna beat u i got a stage 3 clutch w/ aluminum flywheel for sale 700..from c. masters only got 790 miles on it