Cats and dogs

After seeing a cat dying due to a dog attack, I'm curious as to what others think about this.

Two kids were walking their dogs this morning, and they were unable to maintain control (or didn't want to, unfortunately we do have people like that around here) and they got hold of the cat. A neighbor broke them up, but the cat died soon after.

What do you think should be done about people who are unable to maintain control of their dogs? The way I see it, the kids should be held responsible and the dogs put down. If you are unable to maintain control of your pet, you really have no business having one. In my opinion, that falls under feeding and taking care of your pet. The kids ran off and haven't come back to apologize or explain what happened, taking absolutely no responsibility whatsoever.

Now, I realize many of you have dogs and many of you have cats, so please, no flamewars.

in the UK there are laws about this kinda thing, if a dog attacks someone and they're hurt badly the dog is put down, no fighting it, no appeal it's the law.

i think people should use muzzles, them things that go over the dog's nose an mouth, to stop them biting people an other animals, some dogs are actually illegal, like rotweilers, although my friend has one, i hate it.

it's the owner, never the dog.

any dog can be the sweetest animal ever if it is raised to be that way. rotti's, doberman's, even pitbull's. but if they are raised in a way that would incite incidents like these, then yeah it's gonna happen. but IMO it is the owner's fault, and/or the person who raised/trained the dog.

so going by that, you can probably guess what i think about putting dogs down because of this.

My dachshunds will attack any type of animal and there is nothing i can really do about it. I have a fenced in backyard(the dogs cannot get out through the fence). Whenever I take them for walks they are always on a short leash. And whenever I board them I always tell the people there that they will attack any animal that comes near it. So if my dogs were to kill another pet, I wouldn't like being told to put them to sleep. I do everything in my power to keep them away from other animals(including my other dog and cat) but if someones cat were to get into my backyard the dogs would kill it, and the way I see it, it would be the cat owners fault for letting the animal run wild. Your description of the situation sounds like these kids just didn't care, and let it happen. In that case they should have the dogs taken away. Peace-

yea, its not neccessairily the owned at all. my mates (three have dogs) have all raised their dogs as well as they can, one has an extremely violent rottweiler which with tear anything to shreds, including other animals. one has a well trained greman shepherd/alsatian which is not violent at all, unless it feels my friend is at risk, it is at risk or he orders it to attack.

so if someone tried to jack/mug him the dog would figure he's at risk an mawl the attacker.

my other mate has a collie, the dog is mad, runs around in circles an stuff, its not a violent dog yet it has a strange habit of chewing at my ankle, not anyone else's. and its not violent or anything, its playful but it likes to get its jaw around my ankle an start chewing, like i said mad.

see, its not the owners all the time. its the same with humans, you get murderers that commit horrific murders, yet have good backgrouds an up-bringings.

Was this cat just walking around the street or something???

you can't control what a dog is going to do. they just naturally chase after things. i have a spring spaniel which is a bird dog. she chases birds like no other. she also likes to try and chase cats. i always have her tied up though.

putting the animal down for something that the owners could not control is totally wrong. the owner should know better. especially since kids were walking. when you say kids i imagine like 7 year olds. i may be wrong though. but unless it's like a weiner dog or something a 7 yr old is gonna have problems controlling a big dog.

yea, we've had dogs put down here because they've mawled (sp?) small children, like a 6 year old or something that was vicously attacked by a dog a year or so back.

the dog's are put down, not because the owned did something wrong, but because the dog poses a risk to others.

you can get something like 5 years in prison for having an illegal dog, that might be only if it attacks someone. but it's considered a deadly weapon, not a pet.

it is the owners fault, i think the owners should be put down and the dogs should be fined

That's a toss-up. One of my cats got killed by a dog about 2 months ago, and yeah, it sucked, but I can hardly blame a dog for being a dog. And, I didn't see it happen, so I'm not exactly sure how the neighbors dog got ahold of him, so I can't point a finger at them.

People are supposed to report things like this so that if a dog is a repeat offender, there will be consequences for the dog and/or owner, which I think is about the best way to go about things. Although each incident should be reviewed and judged individually.

I think this pales in comparison to another issue we have to worry about now-a-days.


Dogs that rape men on the side of highways.
This cats and dogs thing can wait.

I think this pales in comparison to another issue we have to worry about now-a-days.


Dogs that rape men on the side of highways.
This cats and dogs thing can wait.

i feel so ashamed, i live like 3 miles from that place...

not a great area overall, somone can probably tell you about hampstead heath in london, unfortunately its at the bottom of my garden.

We have a big problem in our area with dog attacks. Most of the time as it is reported in the news, the owner of the dog(s) incited them to attack, whether it was a neighbor, the mailman, or neighborhood animal. There are even reports of young kids taking their dogs for "a walk" in the neighborhood and telling them to attack any other cat or dog they come across. If the owner witnesses the incident, the dog(s) are then instructed to attack that person. THAT'S INSANE! Practically all of these occurences happen in the areas of the city that are populated with drug dealers, and is not a nice section of town. And most if not all of the dogs are pit bulls. The police arrest the owners and animal control usually takes the animals in question until the case is disposed of in the courts. I believe most are put down as they are deemed unadoptable due to their transgressions. I believe these owners should be arrested and their dog(s) taken away from them, and should be ordered to never own a dog again, because they don't know how to properly own a dog, and train it.

you think its bad having kids do that ? in Newport in England there's a huge problem with arson, shcools, houses anyhting even the forests.

the kids think its fun to pour petrol in the forest an start a huge fire, then when its put out they start it again !

i dont know what the world's coming to.

I think the owners should be put down and the dog moved to another family.

Was this cat just walking around the street or something???

Thanks, Andydg, you made the point I was thinking about. What about the irresponsible cat owner that let their pet wander freely? It's their fault the cat was killed. And how did the cat not escape from 2 dogs that were obviously approaching? Cats can easily climb a tree, house, or other structure to escape from dogs. Declawed you say? Then why the hell did their owner let the cat outside?

Making a blanket statement like "any dog that attacks should be killed" is ludicrous. I had a dog that was the sweetest thing towards people, but let her see an animal in the woods, be it raccoon, groundhog, deer, cat, or even skunk, and she was off on the chase. You can't expect any animal, even one that's been domesticated for thousands of years, to not have any natural tendencies - as someone else said, you can't blame dogs for being dogs.

And it's "maul".

FYI I've owned cats also.

It's sad that the cat was killed, but there is more to the story, I think, than the original poster told, or was able to tell.

well, i own a pit, and it is the nicest dog in the world, but occasionally ill take the dog outside and if there is a cat or squirrel, it will chase it and sometimes it will not respond to commands due to excitement. yes, u could say its the owners fault, nut its usually an accident. i do believe the dog should be put down, if it was on someone elses property, but if it was in my yard, no fault for the owner or dog.

funny thing is, my roomate just moved in with a cat, and my dog is ready to kill it! hopefully they get over each other and this story doesnt happen to me!!!

They'll adjust to each other over time. Neither may like it much, but the dog will learn that this cat is off limits.

ya, the cat has no problem holdin her ground either. i do have one cat already, so she knows about claws! ud be surprised how ballsy cats r.

They are...I knew this one girl, her cat attacked me every time I went over there. Not just a bat and run, but full-on-trying-to-kill-you. Evil cat!

evil pussy.......

evil pussy.......


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I think the police should have their K9 units attack the owners.


But it's not the pets fault for goin dogystyle on some evil pussy. Leave the animals alone unless they have been trained to be mean already.

I own a Rottweiler- pit bull mix , and he too is a very sweet , very family oriented dog that I rescued as a puppy from our local Humane Society. He plays and rough houses with our 3 cats, and they all get along. We never have "trained" him to be mean or attack. The way my kids play with him, many other dogs of these breeds might go overboard and attack them. He has been raised in a good home and it shows, especially when other people have positive comments about him and his demeanor.
In a previous post in this thread I commented on cats being attacked by dogs. As reported in the news about the attacks, the cats were usually in their own fenced in yard, or on the front porch, and the dogs were instructed to attack these animals by their owners, The same was true for other dogs being attacked as they were in their own yards, or being walked on a leash by their owner.

doggystyle on some evil pussy..im luvin this! :lol2:

i dont see how pet owners are held responsible for their pets actions, yet some kids get away with slashing tires and breaking windows(someone smashed the windshield of my caprice last night) and nothing happens, a slap on the wrist, no fines nothing. i even caught the kid doing it, the police did nothing they broguth him back to his parents and let them deal with him, they said i have to pursue my damages in small claims court or something. in my opinion he should be shot, BECAUSE IM PISSED OFF

i dont see how pet owners are held responsible for their pets actions, yet some kids get away with slashing tires and breaking windows(someone smashed the windshield of my caprice last night) and nothing happens, a slap on the wrist, no fines nothing. i even caught the kid doing it, the police did nothing they broguth him back to his parents and let them deal with him, they said i have to pursue my damages in small claims court or something. in my opinion he should be shot, BECAUSE IM PISSED OFF

They owe for your damages, pure and simple. Since the kid is under 18 (cops let him go because of it, right?) his parents are responsible.

If you have Comprehensive coverage on your insurance policy, (or it can be covered under homeowner's policy) then report it, have the insurance company fix it, then they'll go after the kid's parents.

If there's no insurance coverage, damn skippy take them to court.

good point blownalchohol....

yeah the little prick was 14, i nearly beat the shit out of him when i caught him, cops said its petty vandalism and they wont do anything about it, im taking him to court, for a windshield and the hood(threw a cinder block at it which bounced off and landed on my hood, hey atleast i might get my cowl induction hood out of this

I think the owners should be put down and the dog moved to another family.

That would be my ideal solution as well, but you have to remember that the dog has now learned this negative behavior and would pose a risk to a new family without some professional training. I went on a St. Bernard rescue site one day and the person running it posted all sorts of pics and stories about his rescues. Most he was able to find homes for, but there was one that no matter how much love/attention he gave it, it just would not change from its vicious ways. The 2nd or 3rd time it bit him he had to take it in to put down. He was not willing to let it go to a new home and risk having that happen. But at least he tried :(

i dont see how pet owners are held responsible for their pets actions, yet some kids get away with slashing tires and breaking windows(someone smashed the windshield of my caprice last night) and nothing happens, a slap on the wrist, no fines nothing. i even caught the kid doing it, the police did nothing they broguth him back to his parents and let them deal with him, they said i have to pursue my damages in small claims court or something. in my opinion he should be shot, BECAUSE IM PISSED OFF


The difference is personal injury versus property damage.

I used to work at a dog kennel... Some of the sweetest dogs there were rottweilers and pitbulls. Its those little yipping shits you gotta watch out for. My finger got owned by a poodle and my left boot got torn to hell by a bichon frise. Go figure. This one lady brought in a Grey Wolf/Alaskan Malemute mix and I had to walk and play with it. Alaska was the sweetest dog ever, though I admit it was still scary playing with a ~6ft long dog that stood ~3-1/2ft to 4ft tall. I liked her so much I rescued a Siberian Husky/Alaskan Malemute mix :biggrin:

Ok I'm blabbering off topic now...

It is definitely the owner's fault, they should give the dogs up to someone who can train them/attempt to train them and they shouldn't be allowed to own pets for X amount of time/never.

it's the owner, never the dog.

any dog can be the sweetest animal ever if it is raised to be that way. rotti's, doberman's, even pitbull's. but if they are raised in a way that would incite incidents like these, then yeah it's gonna happen. but IMO it is the owner's fault, and/or the person who raised/trained the dog.

so going by that, you can probably guess what i think about putting dogs down because of this.I agree, I used to have a doberman and it was the most sweatest animal I had ever had, very friendly with people and other animals. The only thing it ever barked at was motorcyles. Which to this day perplexed me. But still its how you raise the animal. Here in NYC in my older neighborhood atlot of the young thugs like to have pit bulls and most are trained to be rough. One guy had a habit of walking his pit bull without a lease and one day almost killed my doby. I called the cops and they did nothing.

I now have a cat (which returned back home after escaping, see this thread (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=3532705#post3532705).) and it gets along quite well with my two beagles.

As for the original posters question, I think the owners should be held responsible for such inconsiderate, risky acts. No dog should be walked around a busy area without a lease and if you cannot control your dog, then give it to someone that can control it when walking or outside. Its not just cats, but other children as well as adults that can be in danger. I really do not believe it the animals fault, its the owners and how they trained them. The laws are on the books for protecting not only people but other animals, the thing is that they are at times not enforced or worse not strong enough and end up being a slap on the wrist or ignored in my case.

as for this...
i dont see how pet owners are held responsible for their pets actions, yet some kids get away with slashing tires and breaking windows(someone smashed the windshield of my caprice last night) and nothing happens, a slap on the wrist, no fines nothing. i even caught the kid doing it, the police did nothing they broguth him back to his parents and let them deal with him, they said i have to pursue my damages in small claims court or something. in my opinion he should be shot, BECAUSE IM PISSED OFFNot to get off topic too much but the kids that did that to you car got away with it cause society deemed it so. In the older days, not only would the kids get slapped up by the cops but also the parents and made to work to pay for the damages, now a days its wrong to instill rightousness into these kids. No respect to their fellow man (and womans) and their property. I guess your only recourse would be to sue the parents for the damages or have the Insurance company go after them for fixing the car.

TS out (playing with my cat and dogs)