SS/SC Vs. Integra Type R

While heading to the Pavs (AZ guys know what I'm talking about) last Sat. I ended up at a light with a Yellow 1998 Integra Type R. I'm pretty sure I've seen the same car around and I'd wondered what they could do. I hopped on the hohokom expressway and he pulls up next to me. At this point I was on the phone with an SRT-4 buddy of mine that I was meeting at the Pavs. I told him there was a Type R next to me that looked like it wanted to race since it was doing about 4k revs @ 50 mph right next to me. My buddy told me not to mess with it cause it would kick my ass, so of course curiosity got the best of me and I told me buddy I had to go, then I threw my phone on the passenger seat.

I was in 3rd at around 50 mph or so which isn't the best spot in the SS's powerband, but good enough. He made the first move and got a bit of a head start and I followed suit. I reeled him in in a couple of seconds and at the end of third I was a bus ahead or so(didnt bother with 4th cause it was a bad enough beating). After the run I called my buddy back and told him the results and he was surprised. I raced the dude a couple more times in third while talking to my buddy on the phone and after about 2 or 3 more runs the kid had had enough and just paced behind me for a while.

I looked up the specs on those cars and it seems that they have around 190 BHP@7200 rpms. It's no wonder he got wasted. The car also had an exhaust of some sort but other than that I can't say. I'd imagine he at least had a CAI as well. Very clean, nice looking car, but not enough to hang.

I also ran my buddies modded SRT-4 on the highway later that night and from 60-100 I put a bus length on him. He called me and said he thinks he's got a boost leak since he was maxing 14lbs of boost instead of his usual 18lbs or so. So I told him to get his damn Dodge fixed so we can have a real run. What the hell would come undone to leak that boost though..a vacuum line of some sort?

:dunno: About your last question, but still very nice races. I've seen two yellow Type R's in this area of Utah. One boosted, and the other, not. But that boosted one screams like a mean mother. I've never heard anything like it. Made a stock 03 Cobra look like shit.

I plan on actually picking up a Sartie in the near future when I head back east. I'm looking to buy an ACR model. Yep, but I won't hijack the thread. I'll make on later this week. Good kills mang.

I doubt that it's a real type-r. Probably a LS rebadged.
The type-r is 195 (200+ with mods) and 2550 lb.
Your car is 205 hp and 2900 lb.

Agreed, the Type R shoulda put up a hell of a fight driven correctly...maybe the guy kept missing shifts or was just an LS badged as a type R, I dunno...they run like mid 14's stock.

Boost leaks can occur at any part of the pressurized system, vac lines, intercooler/intake pipes, plenum gaskets, BOVs, anywhere really. They overwork your turbos and rob hp, so it is a good idea to pressure test and fix them every so often.

What all does your friend have done to his SRT-4? 14 lbs of boost is stock. I still don't see you putting a buslength on a modded SRT-4 running stock boost. A stock SRT-4 will walk a Cobalt SS. Sounds like your buddy's SRT-4 has more wrong with it than a boost leak.

Dunno why everyone thinks Type R's are soo fast. They are a low 15 sec. car, to a high 14 sec. car (And that's in a capable driver's hands). I'm not surprised that you walked him. They trap about 93 mph in the 1/4 mile, whereas your car is in the high 90's (98-99mph). The SRT-4 does surprised me though, as it should put up a good fight, if not beat you. Good kills nonetheless.

what mods have you done to your ss? or is it stock? the type r are no kiddy play, i know some ppl that own them, but most ppl with the rs or ls just put a type-r badge on them and there are tons like that running around, its really rare to see original type-r (especially around my area) and i believe there were less than 500 of them built in the U.S, oh yea and if you said it was an 98 type-r then it was the one with 195+ hp and weigh at about 2500-ish lbs, and you said it wasn't stock, so thats a mid to high 14s already, but like my first question, is your ss stock? otherwise it should've hang right with you if it was really a type-r and not a badge rs, ls or gsr

Am I the only one that thinks Type R's aren't fast????!!!!
I have yet to see any that weren't too pretty for the track, and my buddy swears to me there was one running on nitrous that he smoked for over $20. They're not fast, not that a Cobalt's a vette or anything, but we are talking from a roll.

i believe him about the teg, it sounds like it was debadged, but the srt-4 is questioning me a little. your friend must drive like shit, or need a tune up cuz i dont see u puttin about a bus length on one expessally from a roll. 3rd gear is its favorite. but i believe you none the less, good kill(s)

type R's actually traps 96-97mph average. krnxracer use to have a modded gsr and when he sold that for his type R, his bone stock type R was faster then his GSR, and he trapped at 97mph and ran a 14.7 which is exactly what bulldog's SS runs.

when i first read the title, i thought it would be a hell of a race. i highly doubt its a real type R. a real type R is quick on the highway and it doesn't require much skill to shift fast from a roll esp with a very tranny like the ones found on the type R. i remembered back then when i raced a type R, i couldn't pull on it until i was in third and by that time i barely got 3 cars on him by 100mph. and that was when i dynoed at 232whp.

Fake "Type R".

They are no joke, especially from a roll. They are not FAST, but it would be a driver's race against a cobalt SS.

still though FI 4 cylinder against NA 4 cylinder. I'd hope to see the FI come out on top. Type-R's are no joke at all, very nice cars and should have been able to keep neck and neck with you for at least some time.
Pulling that hard on an srt-4 is just plain surprising.
Thats a magic little SS you have there bulldog.

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Sorry man I don't think that happened w/ your buddies SRT-4. Like someone else said if it is a legit SRT-4 he is having a ton of problems if he lost a 'buslength' away from you. Cobalt SS's arn't all that hot. SRT-4's eat 'em up.

the Type-R was fake. No doubt. If it wasn't he would of beat you, maybe not buslength but you would not have won. Sorry to say so.

Why does everyone think that people always mis-shift? People driving manuals have been for years. Itsn ot like a 14 yr old just got into a car for the first time. Give them credit.

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Sorry man I don't think that happened w/ your buddies SRT-4. Like someone else said if it is a legit SRT-4 he is having a ton of problems if he lost a 'buslength' away from you. Cobalt SS's arn't all that hot. SRT-4's eat 'em up.

the Type-R was fake. No doubt. If it wasn't he would of beat you, maybe not buslength but you would not have won. Sorry to say so.

Why does everyone think that people always mis-shift? People driving manuals have been for years. Itsn ot like a 14 yr old just got into a car for the first time. Give them credit.


yah that's a little weird, I've never mis-shifted during a race but I'll do sometimes accidently in normal traffic if I'm not paying attention. Shit happens I guess

I don't see how the integra did so well and the SRT4 got killed so bad. Should have gone the other way around.

I believe he pulled on an integra ITR. Considering cobalts actually dyno 200whp I don't think it's far fetched. Maybe he wasn't the best driver (ITR), but I'd put money on the cobalt ss any day of the week. The ITR should have done better though especially in such a short span.

The SRT-4 on the other hand something like you said was definantley wrong. If I were you I wouldn't claim that kill officially yet.

cool races, score one for the econobox racers!

If the race had been from a stop, I think you should beat a type R by a car or two, but from a roll it should be neck and neck. They trap pretty identical mphs.

granted those ITR arent uber fast but they would totally walk me. hah. ive tried getting their attention. but no go ><. ive only seen maybe one or two real type rs around here. some gsrs or ls badged incorrectly. if it was a real ITR. i dont think their would have been bus length distance. definetly alot closer...just my .02

I doubt that it's a real type-r. Probably a LS rebadged.
The type-r is 195 (200+ with mods) and 2550 lb.
Your car is 205 hp and 2900 lb.

240 bhp and a lot more torque than the Type R...if it was a real one.

From what I saw on the supposed "Type R" it had the factory Type R rims, and the same large wing w/ the same body. In my mind I figured it was a 1998, so I yahoo'd it when I got home and found that exact car. Not saying that it couldnt be a good fake tho. But from what I saw it was the exact same thing on the outside as a 98 R.

As for the srt4, my buddy is a good enough driver, not as good as myself though. We actually took eachothers cars for a spin the night before our race and he was surprised at how easy I hopped in his car and drove it like I had owned it for years, while he had trouble with the grabby clutch in my car. But as far as his driving being a factor in the race...I doubt it.
He was also very impressed with the SS's mid and high range power and the first words out of his mouth after driving the SS were "Dude...what if you pull on me?"

The car is an 05 and it's got about 8,000 miles, so I don't think anything else was wrong with it other than a boost leak, cause when I drove it the night before, it seemed healthy.
His mods at the time of the race are an mbc, injen cai, B&M short throw and urethane motor mount inserts. I'm not actually claiming a victory on the srt at this moment in time as he says his car had a glitch, just letting you guys know what happend and what he said. I'll run him again once he's got his boost turned back up...although, if he's running the 14 lbs of boost while leaking and I pulled on him like that, it makes me feel pretty good about the SS. :smokin:

Oh yeah...the SS is bone stock except for the CF hood...that's good for at least 35 hp or so...right???

Edit: He's also got a blowoff/recirc...it's not real loud, but sounds pretty cool.

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Sorry man I don't think that happened w/ your buddies SRT-4. Like someone else said if it is a legit SRT-4 he is having a ton of problems if he lost a 'buslength' away from you. Cobalt SS's arn't all that hot. SRT-4's eat 'em up.

the Type-R was fake. No doubt. If it wasn't he would of beat you, maybe not buslength but you would not have won. Sorry to say so.

Why does everyone think that people always mis-shift? People driving manuals have been for years. Itsn ot like a 14 yr old just got into a car for the first time. Give them credit.


I've never come on here with bullshit before, and I'm certainly not going to now as I feel no need to earn the respect of this forum's members by bullshiting about my car and the events that maybe happen while driving it.

I believe some of you are thinking 5-6 cars when I say buslength as well. In Az a typical bus is about 3 normal sized cars long. So the length I had on the "Type R thing" was about 3 cars. I had about 4 on the SRT4 when I shut down because we carried out the run a good amount longer than the Teg run and I actually shifted into 4rd. It did take a bit longer to put distance on the sartie than it did on the Teg.

240 bhp and a lot more torque than the Type R...if it was a real one.

You ran what the real ones run, the SS traps what the real ones trap.

It was a fake.

NOTHING CAN BEAT THE ALL MIGHTY HYPE R OMG !!!!111!!

blah its not hard to waste those ricer boxes.

good runs man.

NOTHING CAN BEAT THE ALL MIGHTY HYPE R OMG !!!!111!!

blah its not hard to waste those ricer boxes.

good runs man.


Haha...ace, you always manage to put a smile on my face dude. You crack me up.

You ran what the real ones run, the SS traps what the real ones trap.

It was a fake.

I love it when people base a car comparo off of 1/4 mile times. :grinno:
The 1320 is good at giving one a general idea of a car's performance, but it doesnt tell all.


Do you guys recall the run I had with my buddies modded 5.0?
When we both got a good launch from a dig we were dead even by 90 mph, which is just shy of my 1/4 mile speed. But when we raced from a 2nd gear roll I had no problem pulling a couple lengths on him by 65-70 mph. He's pushing over 200 bhp and well over 250 tq.


I wonder why I kicked his ass on the roll?

Something else just occured to me right now. I was with my g/f a few nights ago and I had an middle eastern looking kid rolled up on me in a green, 4 door Teg. It had an exhaust of sort, it was lowered w/ some nice rims and had some performance stickers neatly lined up in the side windows...DC sport and some others. Any who, he kept messing with me for a mile or so. Revving, taking off, slowing down then revving again. Finally I gave in and gave him a run. We started at around 35mph in 2nd gear. Now THAT was an ass beating. By 2/3 of 3rd gear I had at least 2 full bus lengths on him when I shut down. Along with a g/f with some peanutbutter icecream in her hair(I caught her off gaurd with the 3rd to 2nd down shift).

Now then, I didn't pull nearly as hard on the "Type R" as I did on the 4 door teg. So this makes me think the "Type R" was one of two things. A much better modded lower trim Teg, or an actual Type R. I still think it could have been a Type R...but who knows.

Haha...ace, you always manage to put a smile on my face dude. You crack me up.
why thank you sir.

I really am into those SS/SCs i've ridden in the ion but like the colbalt better.

Happen to have free time to swing by pa for a run i'd love to see how they do vs my lil hatchy :smile:

Pffft, you said it yourself Ace, he'll have no problem putting a rice boy in his place. There's no need to throw yourself under the guillotine.

type R's actually traps 96-97mph average. krnxracer use to have a modded gsr and when he sold that for his type R, his bone stock type R was faster then his GSR, and he trapped at 97mph and ran a 14.7 which is exactly what bulldog's SS runs.

when i first read the title, i thought it would be a hell of a race. i highly doubt its a real type R. a real type R is quick on the highway and it doesn't require much skill to shift fast from a roll esp with a very tranny like the ones found on the type R. i remembered back then when i raced a type R, i couldn't pull on it until i was in third and by that time i barely got 3 cars on him by 100mph. and that was when i dynoed at 232whp.
I've seen Cobalt SS's in Mags running a 14.4 sec. 1/4 mile, NEVER/EVER have I seen a Type R run a 14.4 in any magazine. I've seen one in a magazine run a 14.8 sec. 1/4 mile, and another run a 15.3 sec. 1/4 mile. 4 tenths of a second is huge in the 1/4 mile. I believe he beat the ITR that badly.

Mag racing huh? Yeah, sounds about right if you put it in that perspective.

Pffft, you said it yourself Ace, he'll have no problem putting a rice boy in his place. There's no need to throw yourself under the guillotine.

Ouch...that one hurt me civ...and I don't even drive a Honda!
Coming from a Honda fan too...for shame civ, for shame. :disappoin


why thank you sir.

I really am into those SS/SCs i've ridden in the ion but like the colbalt better.

Happen to have free time to swing by pa for a run i'd love to see how they do vs my lil hatchy :smile:


Pennsylvania??? Good god man, I don't have any arctic wear. I'd freeze over night. :lol:

What the heck have you done to your Honduh anyway ace? All I know about your car is that it's a Honda.

Pffft, you said it yourself Ace, he'll have no problem putting a rice boy in his place. There's no need to throw yourself under the guillotine.
oh shit rolf!!!

thats sig worthy man!!

:lol:

Glad I could make your day...

well i didn't say the type R couldn't be beat by bulldog. i'm just saying that he should've put up alot better of a fight. losing by 3 car lenghts in 1 gear is a pretty bad ass beating esp since when i raced one i was making more power then bulldog and barely got 3 cars on it from 1st gear thru begining of 4th. i underestimated type R's until i actually ran a real one. i guess driver makes all the difference huh?

well i didn't say the type R couldn't be beat by bulldog. i'm just saying that he should've put up alot better of a fight. losing by 3 car lenghts in 1 gear is a pretty bad ass beating esp since when i raced one i was making more power then bulldog and barely got 3 cars on it from 1st gear thru begining of 4th. i underestimated type R's until i actually ran a real one. i guess driver makes all the difference huh?

I'm with you on this one. I'm not doubting his win, but it would be more like a car at the most.

I've seen Cobalt SS's in Mags running a 14.4 sec. 1/4 mile, NEVER/EVER have I seen a Type R run a 14.4 in any magazine. I've seen one in a magazine run a 14.8 sec. 1/4 mile, and another run a 15.3 sec. 1/4 mile. 4 tenths of a second is huge in the 1/4 mile. I believe he beat the ITR that badly.

did you check out the trap speeds there bud? considering they were racing from a ROLL!!

Ouch...that one hurt me civ...and I don't even drive a Honda!
Coming from a Honda fan too...for shame civ, for shame. :disappoin





Pennsylvania??? Good god man, I don't have any arctic wear. I'd freeze over night. :lol:

What the heck have you done to your Honduh anyway ace? All I know about your car is that it's a Honda.

lol its not that cold we seemed to skip fall this year freaking cold today and yesterday was great.

its a light all motor build in my hatch now LS block with balanced everything machined ls rods b16 pistons b16 *p30* head CTR cams stuck together with APR everything. 6 puck clutch and light fly that keep me dailying my beat jeep instead :lol2: All stuffed into a 2000lb ish 4th gen hatch its been changed to obd1 and tuned up quite well sits at 11.3:1 comp block is ready for 15psi and its starting to tempt me, even with need of new pistons.

still need to get it to a dnyo and steal my buddies slicks so i can get better then its last time slip with open diff.

its always changing i've had 2 and 1/2 *LONG STORY LOL* motors in this year by time you read this i might have changed it again.

edit: shes est 200 or 190 WHP. traction and more weight off then more power.

well i didn't say the type R couldn't be beat by bulldog. i'm just saying that he should've put up alot better of a fight. losing by 3 car lenghts in 1 gear is a pretty bad ass beating esp since when i raced one i was making more power then bulldog and barely got 3 cars on it from 1st gear thru begining of 4th. i underestimated type R's until i actually ran a real one. i guess driver makes all the difference huh?
Driver makes a huge difference, and you need a heckuva driver for an ITR, as the car has to be screaming near the redline constantly to put down good numbers (You gotta drive it like you stole it).

I honestly don't see ANYBODY, and I mean ANYBODY run ITR's at the track. I've seen alot of S2000's though (Not impressed in the slightest, as everyone of them, totalling 3, barely broke into the high 14's). My last run against Danno I beat him in the last run by 2 tenths of a sec. according to the margin of win/loss, and he was a little further back then my bumper. 4 tenths of a sec. lead was a whopping 2+ cars from my bumper.

Mag racing huh? Yeah, sounds about right if you put it in that perspective.
Look at my sig, and post up your times, I wonder whose the mag racer, and whose at the track more :D

I honestly don't see ANYBODY, and I mean ANYBODY run ITR's at the track.

well there were not a lot of itr's made in the usa (refer to my earlier post) especially the one with 195+ hp 2500-ish lbs. honestly i've never seen one in my entire life, just rebadged ones.....

Driver makes a huge difference, and you need a heckuva driver for an ITR, as the car has to be screaming near the redline constantly to put down good numbers (You gotta drive it like you stole it).

I honestly don't see ANYBODY, and I mean ANYBODY run ITR's at the track. I've seen alot of S2000's though (Not impressed in the slightest, as everyone of them, totalling 3, barely broke into the high 14's). My last run against Danno I beat him in the last run by 2 tenths of a sec. according to the margin of win/loss, and he was a little further back then my bumper. 4 tenths of a sec. lead was a whopping 2+ cars from my bumper.


Look at my sig, and post up your times, I wonder whose the mag racer, and whose at the track more :D

if its a real ITR it probbly IS stolen :lol:

I've taken one or 2 out nothing too scary same with s2ks but then again next to a civic anything is fast.

So what exactly is the Cobalt SS? Is it the same engine the Cavalier has with that little GM supercharger they used to have for it? Do they run any faster than a supercharged Cavalier?

well there were not a lot of itr's made in the usa (refer to my earlier post) especially the one with 195+ hp 2500-ish lbs. honestly i've never seen one in my entire life, just rebadged ones.....

wait but before you said


what mods have you done to your ss? or is it stock? the type r are no kiddy play, i know some ppl that own them

Liar Liar pants on fire :loser:

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Ricer just got :owned:

looks like someone's not coming back.... :grinno:

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Liar Liar pants on fire :loser:

i know them, but i havn't actually seen their cars, some of my friends cuzzins that they talk about

i know them, but i havn't actually seen their cars, some of my friends cuzzins that they talk about

My friend's cousin's girlfriend's dad's uncle's coworker's brother's boss has a Skyline.

...oh...but I haven't actually seen the car. But trust me, he has one.

My friend's cousin's girlfriend's dad's uncle's coworker's brother's boss has a Skyline.

...oh...but I haven't actually seen the car. But trust me, he has one.

if it makes you feel any better, i'm going down to import nights, i'll see their cars there, i'll let you know all about it

Driver makes a huge difference, and you need a heckuva driver for an ITR, as the car has to be screaming near the redline constantly to put down good numbers (You gotta drive it like you stole it).

It really isnt that hard to run those cars good at all... it's like staying near the redline in any car, just cause it's higher doesn't mean its harder to drive. I don't doubt this story based on the cars involved, i just think people are a little too confident in their cars. I ran a 15.2 in my gsr stock, and im a 4 door. Give me 25hp, an lsd, and take about 200lbs off my weight... you aint gettin a bus length in any gear. 1st through 5th

I've heard that the reason it's hard to get good number out of the cars is because it's hard to launch...that there is a fine line between spinning your tires for days, and bogging down...is that true?

I've heard that the reason it's hard to get good number out of the cars is because it's hard to launch...that there is a fine line between spinning your tires for days, and bogging down...is that true?


The SS has something that's not in the ITR's vocabulary...torque.

That plus the 18's equiped Z rated tires and shitty rubber motor mounts that cause massive wheel hop make for a horrible launch. The SS has the power to weight ratio to run consistant low 14's in stock form. It just doesnt have the facilities to get the power to the ground. This is why it does so great from a roll, but looks foolish from a dig. Once a company comes out with a set of 16'' wheels and poly motor mounts they'll do much better, even without the aid of drag radials.

It really isnt that hard to run those cars good at all... it's like staying near the redline in any car, just cause it's higher doesn't mean its harder to drive. I don't doubt this story based on the cars involved, i just think people are a little too confident in their cars. I ran a 15.2 in my gsr stock, and im a 4 door. Give me 25hp, an lsd, and take about 200lbs off my weight... you aint gettin a bus length in any gear. 1st through 5th
Ahh, no... I dunno where you are getting your information from. Not all cars do well shifting at the top of their redline. Take the Mach 1 for example, and if you don't believe me go to Mach1registry.com, they shift at 6200 rpms, 300 rpms short of their redline, and run alot faster times (3 tenths of a sec. in some cases). Some cars run outta gas towards the top of their redline (Depends on the cam). An ITR redlines at what, 8600 rpms???!!!! It's peak horsepower is also at a staggering 8000 rpms. Oh and it's peak torque is at 7500 rpms, and it's a whopping 130 ft. lbs. I'm not saying this car isn't good, just that it's facing a car that has forced induction, and is considerably faster. I do believe the ITR would kill it on a roadcourse, but 1/4 mile wise, not a chance. 4 tenths of a sec. is huge. That's like what happened when all the LS1 guys found out about the 03 Cobra, kept saying it was a driver's race, my ass, they were getting stomped regularly.

Lol...drivers race between a Z28 and an '03 cobra...you LS1 guys are funny sometimes.

Ahh, no... I dunno where you are getting your information from. Not all cars do well shifting at the top of their redline. Take the Mach 1 for example, and if you don't believe me go to Mach1registry.com, they shift at 6200 rpms, 300 rpms short of their redline, and run alot faster times (3 tenths of a sec. in some cases). Some cars run outta gas towards the top of their redline (Depends on the cam). An ITR redlines at what, 8600 rpms???!!!! It's peak horsepower is also at a staggering 8000 rpms. Oh and it's peak torque is at 7500 rpms, and it's a whopping 130 ft. lbs. I'm not saying this car isn't good, just that it's facing a car that has forced induction, and is considerably faster. I do believe the ITR would kill it on a roadcourse, but 1/4 mile wise, not a chance. 4 tenths of a sec. is huge. That's like what happened when all the LS1 guys found out about the 03 Cobra, kept saying it was a driver's race, my ass, they were getting stomped regularly.

About the shifting thing, i know all cars dont make peak power at redline. I just meant it's really not as hard as alot of people think to drive that type of car right. If you own a car, you know how to drive it, unless you're a moron.
What i don't get is, you are not relying on the time that the car has run at the track (14.8?) You keep saying it should run better, and that it is so good from a roll. That also happens to be a very strong point in an ITR, so i think there has been a little embellishing done here. I wish i could get a video of a roll on race between a stock ITR and a stock SS/SC. Although, i dont think i would be surprised.

About the shifting thing, i know all cars dont make peak power at redline. I just meant it's really not as hard as alot of people think to drive that type of car right. If you own a car, you know how to drive it, unless you're a moron.
What i don't get is, you are not relying on the time that the car has run at the track (14.8?) You keep saying it should run better, and that it is so good from a roll. That also happens to be a very strong point in an ITR, so i think there has been a little embellishing done here. I wish i could get a video of a roll on race between a stock ITR and a stock SS/SC. Although, i dont think i would be surprised.


I agree with you. If it's so much better from a roll, how come it traps around 97 mph? That's also what the Type Rs trap.

I do believe the ITR would kill it on a roadcourse, but 1/4 mile wise, not a chance.


My money would be on the SS/SC in the road course ;)

I wonder why.

I would put all my savings on the Type R, stock vs stock.