starting problems

i have been havign a problem starting the car for a while no. it is on and off. bacially cranks the engine for a few seconde befor starting. but it got worse. in the last week , it happend twice that the car didn't start at all. it would keep turning over and over. so i waited a bit and it acctually managed to start and died right after.(to me it seamed like a gas problem) but then i kinda smelled some gas.so i guess it was flooded? after waiting for about 10 min it started up. pretty much most of the spark related parts are pretty new and so is the fuel filter. anyone had a similar problem?
thanks

oh and the idel is also weird. it isn't steady. could be running smooth at arounf 800 then drop a coupple hundred rpm and shoot back up to 1000-1100. i am assuming it is related.

when car is not starting, you ACTUALLY checked for fuel and spark?

When my car did this it was the distributor.

no i did not acctually check. this morning the car started ok and after work(again) i cranked it for10 - 15 seconds befor it fired up.the dizzy was rebuilt during the winter but who knows what kind of a job was done. is there any sensor that can do this? i only seem to have this problem after i finish work lol. acctually it kinda retarded.
thanks

My accord has the same starting problem. My problem is to much fuel. I have 1 or more stuck open injectors. Does your car bog in the bottom end? Also has your fuel mileage got anyworse.

well bog not really but fuel milage i would say got worse. its hard to tell though casue i have never drove normal through a full tank. so you think it could be the injectors.?

ya and the exhaust seams to be kinda rich.

oh and the check light comes on every coupple weeks . why it isn't on all the time i have no idea.

when cel comes on, pull it.

when car is having trouble starting, thats a good time to check for fuel and spark.

get the code

well right now the light is off but i am getting 6,10,13 and 20 for codes.

take care of the CELs first.

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=468260

humm ok. i don't want to sounds liek a dumbass or anything but what are the cels?

It stands for check engine lights

humm ok. i don't want to sounds liek a dumbass or anything but what are the cels?

click on the link sir. your solutions are there.

kk thanks.

ok i reset the ecu and now only code 20 apears. with no check light.

Code 20 (20 flashes) Electric Load


Thats your code.

check your fuel relay

humm where is that?

humm where is that?
Check here: Main Relay (http://www.civic4g.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4530)

I think this is what slowcivichx97 was talking about.

But your code was 20 so troubleshoot your electric load detector. Follow the above Honda-tech link.

doesn't the main relay control the starter more than the fuel or am i wrong?

In my accord it would turn over but not get fuel and then i changed the relay and got fuel. Might be different. Also just give your grounds a check as well.

ok and would it make you idel rough too? or that might just be another problem.