X-Box360 or PS3??????

Here's a simple poll i wanted to make, with a simple question, which one do you expect to be better X-Box360 or PS3? :2cents: :icon16:

From what I hear the PS3 will have better hardware and it'll be faster. But I haven't heard any confirmation about a hard drive right away or about an online thing as in depth as XBL. Either way I'll probably end up getting both but I will be getting Xbox360 the day it comes out and I will probably wait on PS3.

No the PS3 wont have any better hardware

I coulda swore I read that somewhere.

Revolution...But out of those two, probably the 360.

here's an easy explanation. PS3 does have more powerful hardware than xbox 360, plain and simple. But the architecture is very advanced, way ahead of its time, therefore, very hard to make games for. So in essence, xbox 360 - much easier to make games for, simplier, and if the same time is spent on making a game for xbox 360 and ps3, the xbox 360 will come out looking better and more polished. PS3 on the other hand, will take research and much more time to make it look better, but it has that potential to but these days, games reach deadlines and stuff so it's hard to say.

A couple weeks ago I would've said 360 without hesitation. But then I saw clips of the F1 game they're coming out with for PS3. The game looks absolutely insane!!! But then I heard they might only bring that game out in Europe...if that happens then definitely the 360. Halo-Forza-Progject Gotham Racing pretty much sums up my decision. :smokin:

i heard the PS3's specs were BS. Plus Xbox 360 as pointed out is easier to develop for from what i heard, and plus there's gonna be halo 3 :)

i'm gonna wait till they're here to judge them. an i dont understand halo at all.

Halo-Forza-Progject Gotham Racing pretty much sums up my decision. :smokin:

:1: Couldn't've said it better.

PS3.. only thing Xbox has going for it is Halo.. so eh.. not worth my money, i'll buy one later. but getting ps3 when it comes out. :D

The ps3 WILL have better graphics then th xbox360, and if you don't think so then your in denial. Its coming out 6 months(?) after the 360 so why wouldn't it. From the few gameplay videos I've seen from the ps3 I can say without a doubt it will look better.

I think the xbox will most definantley have better multiplayer, and will be a great system, but as for the graphics I think the nod goes to the ps3.

I was going to buy the 360 at first, but now I think I might just save my money the ps3. The games coming out for it are going to be must haves for me. If I have the cash though I might just pick up a 360, but it will be second priority.

Ok for all the nerds out there (yes this includes me) an in-depth comparison of the Xbox 360 vs. PS3.

Part 1 (http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/)

Part 2 (http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-2-of-4/)

Part 3 (http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-3-of-4/)

Part 4 (http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-4-of-4/)

Everything I want on the 360 I'll be able to get for my PC. I've never liked the Playstation since the original either, so that's why I'm probably not going to get any of them. Also, the prices are outrageous.

ok, calm down. can't you guys compare them when the come out, it doesn't matter to me how many idiots review things that haven't been released yet, its no substiute for personal opinion, so why are you arguing which will be better ? wait, play, get drunk, argue. it really is that simple

A couple weeks ago I would've said 360 without hesitation. But then I saw clips of the F1 game they're coming out with for PS3. The game looks absolutely insane!!! But then I heard they might only bring that game out in Europe...if that happens then definitely the 360. Halo-Forza-Progject Gotham Racing pretty much sums up my decision. :smokin:
Dammit John, are you high? PGR was horrible, don't make me fly to LA to smack you over the back of the head :p

I have both PS2 and XBox, though the Sony range of exclusive games is far better than XBox, the only game I really dig on my XBox is Forza and even then it's nowhere near as good as GT4.

So I'll get the PS3, a year or so of games that don't maximise the potential of the system will be worth the wait once the companies are able to crack it and take advantage of the PS3's technological superiority.

I'll be sure to take pics of me enjoying the F1 game and send them to John :thefinger (Gotta love NZ and Europe both being PAL :D)

Everything I want on the 360 I'll be able to get for my PC. I've never liked the Playstation since the original either, so that's why I'm probably not going to get any of them. Also, the prices are outrageous.

that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. First up, a lot of games on the xbox are not found on the PC. Second of all, do you have a computer with 3 CPU cores, GDDR3 Ram, as well as a top of the line ATI chip? I think not. Those all would cost over 2 grand anyways, not to mention the GDDR3 ram is not supported by any motherboards yet.

also, major nelson is biased towards xbox 360 obviously. So don't take his word when u want to read up on a xbox 360 vs ps3 comparison. Here's a real comparison that's non-biased: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453

PS3 all the way it comes with a better graphix proccessor....

that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. First up, a lot of games on the xbox are not found on the PC. Second of all, do you have a computer with 3 CPU cores, GDDR3 Ram, as well as a top of the line ATI chip? I think not. Those all would cost over 2 grand anyways, not to mention the GDDR3 ram is not supported by any motherboards yet.

also, major nelson is biased towards xbox 360 obviously. So don't take his word when u want to read up on a xbox 360 vs ps3 comparison. Here's a real comparison that's non-biased: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453

All I really want is The Eldar Scrolls 4: Oblivion.

owning a PS2 has been the biggest disappointment of my life. Never will I let the majority tell me whats "cool" again. Nor have I seen a compelling reason to go Xbox(but they do have Rare, Conker is one of my favourites). I'm going back to Nintendo. Zelda and Mario are the greatest series of videogames ever created.

It doesnt matter if the PS3 has a better graphics processor. Look at the Xbox and how long it took them to take all the power out of it. If you look at the first xbox games compared halo 2, Forza, and Splinter Cell. And besides they said on most games you'll hardly see a difference. And PS3 is gonna cost like $100 more.

Here's a good, simple, unbiased comparison of the two.:http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x?tag=boxcar_all_features_image


I already have a large collection of PS2 games that I still play. The backwards compatibility of the PS3 is something I'll want.

Also, to compare their predecessors, the PS2 was also supposedly "hard to develop for", as Sony has a habit of always coming up with something well ahead of its time. In comparison, the XBox is supposedly more developer-friendly, and has a better engine over-all. Yet, the PS2 and the XBox have comparable games currently, even with the X's apparent advantages, especially in graphics.

Why? Because I personally feel that Sony is more developer-friendly. Most multi-platform games nowadays are developed for the PS2 first, and then adapted to the XBox.If the day could be summed up in a microcosm, it would be Square Enix' story that explained events best. Yoichi Wada, the firm's president, made two stops today. At the Sony conference, he was one of many developers presenting stunning tech demos - in his case, a truly stunning real-time recreation of the opening to Final Fantasy VII, using characters almost as high quality as those seen in the forthcoming Advent Children movie. Within a matter of hours, he had another stop to make - this time with a headline billing at the Microsoft conference, where he revealed that Square Enix will be supporting Xbox 360... With the release of a four year old massively multiplayer game that's already available on PS2 and PC.http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59134

BTW, here's a preview of MGS4, exclusive to the PS3: http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1743

also, major nelson is biased towards xbox 360 obviously. So don't take his word when u want to read up on a xbox 360 vs ps3 comparison. Here's a real comparison that's non-biased: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453

I'm glad there are people that actually know enough to spot these things. I was hoping someone would call that one out. I thought I was going to have to be the loner calling it biased. Gotta love the green graphs!!

XBOX 360, because i already have it on reserve

Ok for all the nerds out there (yes this includes me) an in-depth comparison of the Xbox 360 vs. PS3.

Part 1 (http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/)

Part 2 (http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-2-of-4/)

Part 3 (http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-3-of-4/)

Part 4 (http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-4-of-4/)

Damn, 360 pretty much blew out the PS in almost all of the specs...

I might get the 360 when the price of it goes down... What is it going to be when in launches? Around 300$ for just the console with a controller... That's pretty high for my budget... I'll wait 'till it goes down to about 200$, then I might possibly get one.

Damn, 360 pretty much blew out the PS in almost all of the specs...

You DO realize how biased that "article" is, right? The blog is titled "Xbox Live's Major Nelson's unofficial blog" for chris'sakes.

You DO realize how biased that "article" is, right? The blog is titled "Xbox Live's Major Nelson's unofficial blog" for chris'sakes.

Doesnt matter, I was going to say 360 anyways, I just love the Xbox Live, its way better than the PS's Online play... Unless they're trying to do something new on the PS3... :D

But yea, I get your point.

that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. First up, a lot of games on the xbox are not found on the PC. Second of all, do you have a computer with 3 CPU cores, GDDR3 Ram, as well as a top of the line ATI chip? I think not. Those all would cost over 2 grand anyways, not to mention the GDDR3 ram is not supported by any motherboards yet.

also, major nelson is biased towards xbox 360 obviously. So don't take his word when u want to read up on a xbox 360 vs ps3 comparison. Here's a real comparison that's non-biased: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453



i recomed reading far more that that one basic article and focusing on the real world technical aspects instead of believing marketing hype.


Now to the technical aspects, the 3 general execution cores on the 360 are far more simle that any modern CPU core and far smaller in die size because of it. The 3 cores are basically a scaled down versions of a power pc procesor as found in apple PCs.

the PPE in the Cell is actually quite similar in design to any 1 core on the xbox cpu while the 7 SPEs backing it will be some very basic cores with limited suport.

Also FYI we used for quite a while GDDR3 in PCs as part of graphics memory. Even my lowly 6600GT has 128MB of it. The reason we dont use this as CPU memory is because it would be a waste of time. This is why AMD put up for so long with DDR1 mem. Barelly now AMD dual cores are starting to push the limits of DDR400 memory bandwith.

Oh and another thing that mighty RSX GPU is already available for PCs now in the 7800GTX cards. Of course it will receive upgrades by that time but its basic design wil be the same. And a few months after the PS3 will be released the next upgrade cycle for Pc video cards will be available.

So before i would start believing all the BS "supercomputer" stories about the consoles familiariase yourself more with the technology.


Oh and BTW this is a far better anantech article regarding the consoles:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=4

Lets not forget who has the better games. Xbox games are all very similar. In fact they are so similar, with the 360 microsoft is making all online games use the same exact online menus. But yah... if you dont like blowing crap up, or games with very little plot / meaning to them, you will HATE 360. But if those are the types of games you play (you are probobly an air head) then you will LOVE 360.

But yah... PS2 has 1/2 the Xbox's power (on paper) and yet it has sold ~80 million units compared to Xbox's 20 million. Sony makes kick ass games. Its how they were able to completely steal the home consol market from nintendo... And are possibly on their way to taking the handheld market too. (If they would make some better games for the PSP)



But yah... already PS3 games are looking just as good if not better as 360 games. And the games PS3 has planned to come out are better then those of 360.

PS3 all the way it comes with a better graphix proccessor....

:iamwithst PS3 for sure...

Okay, here it is in a nutshell, boys n' girls.

The X360 is good...but not great.
As of right now, the final dev kits are in and developers are ALREADY finding technical weaknesses with the hardware. I'm talking about certain memory bottle necks from the "unified RAM" (but can be cured soon enough with multi-core coding, once realized), framerate problems with many engines and most of all, space limitations due to games getting bigger from high definition visual data. While this wouldn't be THAT big of a problem had the harddrive (HDD) been a STANDARD, unfortunately, the HDD is not a standard and only comes with the "premium" pack SKU's at retail.

Which also means that you will NOT be able to play your old Xbox 1 games unless you have the HDD add-on or premium pack (which is $100 for a 20GB drive).

At first, many developers were excited about the freedom of using their custom shaders and with having 512MBs RAM for memory. Initial euphoria over the last consoles. But then having to share the unified RAM for nearly everything within the code, while the RAM runs at only one speed, PLUS having to automatically minus 40MBs from the 512 for Xbox Live service (for which you ALSO need the HDD to play online or download ANYTHING, for that matter)...well, it's not really starting to feel as great as initially thought.

From a developer's standpoint, the PS3's ONLY weakness seems to be from the lack of a unified online service. Other than that, the console has VERY little limitations, and contrary to PC developers who aren't used to the method as of yet, it's very easy to develop on (via Epic and several other developers' comments). Especially if you're already used to using C/C++ coding, Open GL platforms and various other middlewares (Havok physics, Ageia physix and Unreal Engine 3.0 come along with the SDK).

It's not that the PS3 is easier to develop for than the 360, they're equal on that point. It seems like only jerk-offs are trying to make it seem otherwise due to being in Microsoft's "pocket" financially (like Carmack or Itagaki, both of whom are poor developers to begin with).

Only the multi-core coding is the problem, but that even goes with many PC processors and all of the consoles now. It just takes time for programmers to get used to the idea of multi-thread coding...which will come in time.

The difference is, the PS3 has MORE cores (7, with each more powerful than the 360's), which gives larger options, thereby eliminating the RAM bottle necks altogether. Most of the demos shown at E3 were either done with ONLY the Cell processor or ONLY the RSX prototype--not both. That alone is sick to even think about...

The Blu-Ray format unto itself cures any space limitations from high definition data and comes in different layers for developer needs (initially 25GBs, vs. DVD's 9GBs). Technically, you don't NEED a harddrive for the console. It's simply a perk and would only be required for a killer app on the horizon (shameless plug).

The PS3's 512 are split in half; 256x256, but at different high speeds. This increases data bandwidth (aka, communication speed) and can be customized to transfer between the CELL, RSX etc. without any other bottle necks. A genius move on their part.

Combined with the RSX processor (supposedly more powerful than the lastest NVIDIA GeForce 7800 card for PC), this console seems to be able to render realtime CG gameplay sequences.

Lest we forget the primary point: that Sony's library of titles will obviously ecllipse those from Microsoft's. Whether we're talking about 1st and or 3rd party support and quality, there is just no contest here.

This isn't a knock against the 360; it's a good system. But I wouldn't spend $400 dollars for a console that already doesn't seem worth it in library and long term value.

Other than for playing Xbox Live, that is.

I'm a Playstation brand person; PS3 for me after the first price drop though.

Man.. I checked out that MGS4 preview and wow. Thats freaking awesome, also its funny that in that preview it showed footage of Killzone 2.. which is freaking awesome as well. Oh yeah.. im getting PS3.. especially cause of MGS though, mainly..

I'm just going to stick the PC for gaming. Better graphics, faster gameplay and I never lose backwards compatibility. $400 bucks for a game console is just way to much.

Well, the X-Box comes out right before my birthday, so I guess that's what I'll be getting.

Also, when it comes to debates, talk to the owners. I have tons of friends that own all 3 of the current systems and they'll say X-Box over PS2 anyday.

Of course we all know the Gamecube was the most promising when it first came out but the game selection sucked tight ass. Hopefully Nintendo learned their lesson and will give us an awesome system :dunno:

Hopefully Nintendo learned their lesson and will give us an awesome system :dunno:

I think I was right, I think they did learn.

That or this is a last ditch effort to save their ass and not be like SEGA.

Nintendo Revolution (http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=02ea1a40-ac09-4cdf-9548-91e5a4e78746&page=other)

Eh.. I dont think Nintendo even has a chance.. and you can even tell because not many are really comparing Rev to 360 or PS3, its kind of like they have already lost the race..

Its funny too because now I dont really see a reason to buy a Nintendo Revolution because the only games that was going good for it was the RE series and they have gone back to PS3 and now Xbox, if I remember right.

Always been a Sony fan since the beginning. PS3 all the way. Secondly, I hear PS3 is supposed to beat the living daylights out of Xbox 360

I would buy both but the PS3 is probably gonna cost $500 cause the cost of all the stuff there they're putting into it.

For the price of the next gen systems, I could go get a top of the line graphics card and be set for gaming for atleast 10 years.

I would buy both but the PS3 is probably gonna cost $500 cause the cost of all the stuff there they're putting into it.

The PS3 will be between $300 and $400. The X-Box is said to start at $300. I guess we'll find out though when we go to buy them.

Anyway I just found out something that will secure several PS3 sales.

Rumor has it the PS3 is going to have a re-released version of Final Fantasy VII.

PS3 no doubt. Been a fan since the original Playstation debut. Have never been disappointed with PS2. Played XBox countless time and it has the most uncomfotable controller there is, even the smaller version. Even though I never play my PS2 I'm sure I'll pick up PS3 anyways.

I thought the Xbox is going to start at 399.. oh well. I cant remember exactly so yeah.. about FF7, if they DO re-release it will gaurantee many sales as that was considered the best RPG for Ps1.. and yeah i'll buy it if it comes out for Ps3..

about FF7, if they DO re-release it will gaurantee many sales as that was considered the best RPG for Ps1.. and yeah i'll buy it if it comes out for Ps3..

I've heard it was the best RPG ever and I've even heard it's the best all around game ever. I have to disagree with both though as I've never played it.

So does anybody know if theres gonna be any good racing games for PS3 in the near future?

I say FF7 is way overrated.. I personally like FF8 better but both of them have weird ass story lines. I think people liked FF7 more was because it was probably the first RPG they played.

So does anybody know if theres gonna be any good racing games for PS3 in the near future?

Im waiting for the next GT.. hope its online too! :mad:

So does anybody know if theres gonna be any good racing games for PS3 in the near future?


Vision Gran Turismo (http://www.psxextreme.com/scripts/ps3-scrs/scr.asp?scrID=22)


Need For Speed: Most Wanted (http://www.psxextreme.com/scripts/ps3-scrs/scr.asp?scrID=14)

GT doesnt look any better.. but im sure it will in the final product.

About NFS.. the lighting is waaaay awesome, I hope they have more american cars though like MC: Dub Edition or Juiced..

I say FF7 is way overrated.. I personally like FF8 better but both of them have weird ass story lines. I think people liked FF7 more was because it was probably the first RPG they played.
I agree with FF7 being overrated, but FF6 is better than 8 I think. You couldn't have a more effed up boss than Kefka.

I agree with FF7 being overrated, but FF6 is better than 8 I think. You couldn't have a more effed up boss than Kefka.

Yes, Kefka was pretty messed up in the head.. FF7 is liked more probably because it was the first Final fantasy game that was 3D on the Ps1..

I'd still rather take FF8 over any of the other ones.. pretty good system and all, but I liked FF10's sphere/lvl up system, it was very cool. I didnt like FF7 that much to begin with anyway.. sometimes it went very slow and people made too much of a big deal when Aeris died.. she was dumb enough to believe that Sephiroth was good, she deserved to die.. dumb bitch..

Yes, Kefka was pretty messed up in the head.. FF7 is liked more probably because it was the first Final fantasy game that was 3D on the Ps1..

I'd still rather take FF8 over any of the other ones.. pretty good system and all, but I liked FF10's sphere/lvl up system, it was very cool. I didnt like FF7 that much to begin with anyway.. sometimes it went very slow and people made too much of a big deal when Aeris died.. she was dumb enough to believe that Sephiroth was good, she deserved to die.. dumb bitch..
XD. FF8 dragged too much for me. Since I don't have a PS2, I can only go to 9, which was pretty good, but different.

FF9 was very good, different too, big time.. Very weird characters though. :lol:

At this level of technology who really cares about the hardware, the X-box is well known to have better hardware than the PS2, yet the PS2 is still by far and away the better platform simply because it has a superior list of games.

The PS3 vs X-box 360 debate will come down to the same thing, Sony and Microfloppy are both masters at Marketing, and are both producing hardware more advanced than current software, but Sony also has a list of developers its friendly with that makes the Xbox 360 look like an Apple Mac.
"Hey, its got cool hardware, and a great OS, but the aftermarket software selection is shit."

Yeah I didnt really get why when Ps2 and Xbox were out, why everyone thought that the XBox was so great when the graphics didnt look that much better than the Ps2s.. and if it did it was like an extra polygon or so.

Yeah I didnt really get why when Ps2 and Xbox were out, why everyone thought that the XBox was so great when the graphics didnt look that much better than the Ps2s..


Iv seen some games on the X-box that are visialy better than the PS2, and its deffinitly got the better, faster processor in it, but then it should, its a new generation machine. Things like the built in HDD and LAN connection are also a huge leap of what the PS2 offered, unforunatly I know a lot of people who have spent a lot of money on the X-box and onl ever played one game, Halo, which isn't really that good. Timesplitters is a superior FPS, it even has it own built in level editor, that works.
If Halo had not been hyped and marketed as well as it was, then the Xbox would have crashed and burned, and gone the same way as the Nintendo 64, another consuol that was superior to the Playstaion in terms of technology, but had a very limited list of Games, other than Golden Eye, I can think of nothing that was worth playing on it.


It comes down to the differnt approach to game development.
Sony is very open, if you want to write a game for the PS you simply ask sony, and they supply all the code etc that you need, it dosn't matter what the game is, or even if you have much of a chance of being succesfull. In theory you could write freeware software for the PS, or PS2, there is just no way of distrubuting it.
If they like the idea they might give you a little help, prehaps access to thier distrubtion networks.
If they really, really like, like they liked Gran Turismo they will help a lot, and give you lots of money to develop the game.

Microfloppy, like Nintendo before it, are very very tight on who they let develop games for thier systems.
In the early days of X-box only developers owned by Microfloppy could write and develop X-box games.
This has changed, and 3rd part developers can now make X-box games, but they must make them to Microfloppy standards, and each game requires Microfloppys permission and thier marketing input.

PS3 has better stuff than the 360 and also it comes out later so it will defienitly have better stuff in it...

ps3,there is no other choice.

I'll agree that it'll come down to marketing and games. Look what happened to the Lamecube. On paper it was the better system but it just couldn't deliver with "Mario and Lugi Friends Forever 3" as to X-Box's Halo or PS2's selection of adult games like "Kill This Mother Fucker".

I'll say there is no winner or loser in this because both will be great systems. Whether you're getting the 3SICKY or the Painstation you'll be getting your money's worth.

Gran Tourismo 5: First Look (http://69.26.178.132/~lemon/gt5.wmv)

Oh and BTW this is a far better anantech article regarding the consoles:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=4

lol, that's the same article i posted, just that it is on page 4...