Gsr Vs Z24

I would like to add to this thread, cause I know this kinda crap happens all the time, and all you "tunerz" should realize this............

YOU CAN'T COMPARE A Z24 AND A GSR

they are like apples and oranges, now the guy that started this thread isn't the brightes crayon in the box, we all know that a stock GSR would kill a Z24, unless the guy driving the GSR is a idiot.

I drive a Saturn, I know it isn't as fast as I want, and I never compare my car to another car that has something like variable valve timing, or much larger displacement.

a GSR can only be compared to a car with simular stuff, IE : variable valve timing, simular displacement. Heck I would put a 2000 celica against a GSR and see who would win.

same way that a Z24 can only be compared with a simular car, I wouldn't even put my car against a Z24, since he has half a litre of displacement on me.

There are classes in drag racing for a reason, to keep things fair and competitive, please people, lets not reduce the collective brain power of the board with idle bickering and dick measuring contests

Originally posted by coppertop_01
I would like to add to this thread, cause I know this kinda crap happens all the time, and all you "tunerz" should realize this............

YOU CAN'T COMPARE A Z24 AND A GSR

they are like apples and oranges, now the guy that started this thread isn't the brightes crayon in the box, we all know that a stock GSR would kill a Z24, unless the guy driving the GSR is a idiot.

I drive a Saturn, I know it isn't as fast as I want, and I never compare my car to another car that has something like variable valve timing, or much larger displacement.

a GSR can only be compared to a car with simular stuff, IE : variable valve timing, simular displacement. Heck I would put a 2000 celica against a GSR and see who would win.

same way that a Z24 can only be compared with a simular car, I wouldn't even put my car against a Z24, since he has half a litre of displacement on me.

There are classes in drag racing for a reason, to keep things fair and competitive, please people, lets not reduce the collective brain power of the board with idle bickering and dick measuring contests

:loser: :thefinger my mustang which I gladly sold a couple days ago had a total of 2.2 liters of displacement on my hatchback and got beat, it had 2 liters over my integra and got whooped and 2.2 over my friends GSR(B16) and got SMOKED.

you can compare a car with any other car you want because in real life, which is where probably 99% of the people on this board race alot, you dont drive a civic and pull up to and integra and rev to see him roll down his window and hear "naw, i dont wanna race you, I got .2 liters and another cam over you. just wouldnt be cool"

:thefinger

GSR(B16) when did they make 1.6L GSR motors?

they dont, was swapped in, just said that so when i said that 2.2 liters on me people wouldnt think im dumb and try telling me it was only 2 liters over

why would someone do that? the b17 and the b18c make more hp than the b16 unless its a b16b, which yea integra?

92 GSR, he bought it wiht the B16, but im guessing cuz the B17 wore out, the B18C is 3x the cost of a B16.

yea i know how much a b18c is, ide rather have the b17 or the b18 in there IMO

neather me nor my friend payed for anything or did the swap :dunno:

I just think that if someone pulls up to you(no matter what kind of VEHICLE they are driving..car or truck) any true or wanna be street racer WILL race each other.... you turn it down and he'll end up saying your his b*tch and especially not from a dood that drives an american car....WE just cant let no punk that drives a DOMESTIC insults a TRUE VEHICLE that are made for a street race like what we drive an IMPORT aka rice burner....

Originally posted by mdb25
Well, thanks for insulting my car. Yes, I drive one of those "crappy new yellow ones." Anyway whtteg, don't ever call me dumb. I have done more engine swaps and more auto body work than most people my age and I'm 23. Please keep the insults to a minimum and don't ever question my integrity. You seem to have overlooked everything that I had written. We are talking STOCK comparisons and like I said, no GSR or RSX is going to take a Grand Prix. As for the Honda S, well of course it's faster. What does it cost again? Oh yeah, it's like 5 grand more than a GTP. Enough said. I am not denying that an RSX or a GSR will beat a cavalier. I already admitted to that, but for some reason, you idiots keep on reminding me. Yes, acuras hold their value quite well, but it's like I said, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Of course the acura is better built and faster. That's why it costs so much more you friggin idiot. God, use some common sense. :biggrin2: As for the grand prix, even the GT which isn't supercharged, will spank GSR/RSX. Please, go to the grand prix forum and tell them what you told me. The cavalier is by no means a sports car, but the GSR/RSX certainly are. I just find it funny how you homos have to compare your shit with cars that are like half the price of yours. Please, go compare yourselves with a Z28 or a GTP, which costs the same. Now please bring me any stock base integ or civic and compare to my Z's. Trust me, you will not take a Z24, at least not the ones with the 2.4 Twin Cam or the 2.2 Ecotec.


Hrmmmm..... I raced a Z28 in Carlsbad Raceway (California) this weekend and I can tell you I killed it.....I dont know if it was Stock or not (I dougt it) but all I got is a cold air intake and exhaust and ate the Z28 it for lunch and shited it out....

Maybe it was just the driver....:confused:

I "KNOW" a GSR would spank a 2.2 ecotec, I raced one in my hatch that runs 16.6 at its best and beat him, not bad, but a gsr is over a second quicker.

Originally posted by S1 Type-R



Hrmmmm..... I raced a Z28 in Carlsbad Raceway (California) this weekend and I can tell you I killed it.....I dont know if it was Stock or not (I dougt it) but all I got is a cold air intake and exhaust and ate the Z28 it for lunch and shited it out....

Maybe it was just the driver....:confused:

was a shitty ass driver or not a real Z28, cuz that car SHOULD romp on u (no offense, but its tru).

btw civicHB, the b16a had 170 which is the same power as the b18c1, jus less torque.

b16a has 160, b17 has 170, usdm b18c has 170......

Wow, I am completely surrounded by idiots in this forum. You guys seem to keep on repeating yourself by telling me how a GSR/RSX will beat a Z24. I agreed with that a long time ago. Get with the current events! You see, this forum is just blind import love. No matter what I say, I will still have idiots coming back and telling me that a GSR is faster than a Z24 or how it can even beat a Z28. I am not even going to dignify that with a response. Someone in your own "import forum" already has. :lol: Anyway, whatever you choose to own is your own decision. I chose a Z24 over an Integra because I wanted something brand new that fit my budget and I just didn't see the extra 8 grand for the RSX as being worth it, but like I said, to each his own. Just don't compare your 25K vehicle to mine. Stay in your own range and I'll stay in mine. Like I said, I like the challenge from base integs and civics, this is where my competetion lies. I will say with complete truthfullness that I have never been beaten by a civic and I have had tight wins over base tegs. It's usually not a crushing victory, but a good race nonetheless. As for the comment about racing everything, well, I don't race everything that comes up to me. I'm not as insecure as some of these guys are and I don't feel the need to race every vehicle. I know when I'm beat, so I don't race. I'm not going to go for a launch if a maxima or a turbo talon rolls up next to me. I know that I'm beat. I just think that many of you have a bad opinion of the Z simply because it is american and some of it's drivers are not really in the "young" age bracket. But it really isn't a bad car, or a slow car for that matter. It's somewhat of a sleeper. I am just saying that if a similar vehicle (civic or base teg) comes up to challenge it, be ready for a race. You will not win as easily as you say. When knorwj said that the stats (from car and driver) prove that a regular teg will stomp a Z24, I was pretty surprised because I have a subscription to C&D and my own personal racing experience against base tegs don't seem to agree with this statement. Please cite the issue that you used for this info. I'm dying to see it.

Oh yeah, and I'm from Syracuse NY.

well, in this post you said this -

Trust me, you will not take a Z24, at least not the ones with the 2.4 Twin Cam or the 2.2 Ecotec.

I am saying yes he will.

and civichbsi91, the JDM B16a has 170 HP

That's in reference to a civic. Learn to read moron:lol:

Stock for stock, a civic is not going to beat a Z24. Please don't feed me personal stories of how your car has beat Z's. I'm sick of hearing all the bs about mods. A naturally aspirated stock civic is not going to win, plain and simple.

and civichbsi91, the JDM B16a has 170 HP the jdm obd1 integra b16a has 170 and the sirII has 170hp but who spends the extra money to buy the obd1 b16a's? i dont know of anyone

the obd0 b16a's jdm has 160hp which is the cheapest and is why people buy that motor

well, for a civic you need the complete swap and since 5th gens+ are hydro that is one reason people spend the extra.

Originally posted by 94tegRS
well, for a civic you need the complete swap and since 5th gens+ are hydro that is one reason people spend the extra.

Yep alot less head aches

Originally posted by mdb25
Stock for stock, a civic is not going to beat a Z24. Please don't feed me personal stories of how your car has beat Z's. I'm sick of hearing all the bs about mods. A naturally aspirated stock civic is not going to win, plain and simple.

thats jus the thing tho...jus cuz a car SHOULDN't beat something, doesn't mean it won't. driver makes up for a big part of the race, as well as small things such as a fuller gas tank, or tire condition. on the streets isn't always going to show wut car is faster, but on the streets a stock civic (si) can win, plain and simple.

welp sorry all my friends with 5th gen's or newer have gsr's

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00


thats jus the thing tho...jus cuz a car SHOULDN't beat something, doesn't mean it won't. driver makes up for a big part of the race, as well as small things such as a fuller gas tank, or tire condition. on the streets isn't always going to show wut car is faster, but on the streets a stock civic (si) can win, plain and simple.

Agreed :bigthumb:

allright, the B.S. stops here.



So far i've seen 1, and maybe 2 intellegent people in this thread. The rest of you need to bang your heads on your desk to knock that rice out of your ears. This is the kind of crap that makes the internet an un-reliable source for information. I have a 1991 Z24 5spd(modded 3.1 MPFI, roughly 160HP/190 lbs of torque) and i can walk all over just about any civic, acura or whatever you put infront of me as long as it's N/A. And yes any 95+ stock Z24 (2.4 TC/Ecotec) will kill any import of the same class. Yes imports have a higher rev limit but WFC? that just shows that they can't make an efficent engine with a straight power curve. whoop-te-frikin-da you have to rev up to 7 grand just to get the HP that a domestic makes at 4500.

and for all of you pre-pubescent F&F post whores you all need to take a look at this thread, and really read it. Look how completely retarded you all look compairing 2 unlike things, it's like saying "my Ninja is way faster than his Spree" (not an exact comparison, but similar).

and you all really need to check out this site:
http://members.tripod.com/~juan_espero/


congradulations, you've all just had a reality check. (sorry it took so long)

I'd like to see any of you that are talking shit about what a Z can't beat take Curtis Walker's turbocharged Z24. Or even Rick Bolwell supercharged Z24.

Well I would like to see some of these Z24's come around here b/c I have never lost to one and that is N/A too. And I have a reality chack for you, your 3.1 liter modded motor makes the same hp as a 1.6 liter honda motor stock. And if you really want to compare apples to apples then lets compare the Acura CL TypeS to your Z24, the CL is heavier and has the same size motor( well .1liter bigger ) So the CL produces 260hp stock and your modded 3.1 puts out 160hp :shakehead it is soo pathetic 100hp more and the same size motor. Hmm why could this be you ask, well it is b/c the honda motors are far more superior to your z24 motor and you are crazy if you think you have something special with the modded 3.1 liter motor having 160hp, I am sorry but that is just pathetic :lol:

allright, the B.S. stops here.



So far i've seen 1, and maybe 2 intellegent people in this thread. The rest of you need to bang your heads on your desk to knock that rice out of your ears. This is the kind of crap that makes the internet an un-reliable source for information. I have a 1991 Z24 5spd(modded 3.1 MPFI, roughly 160HP/190 lbs of torque) and i can walk all over just about any civic, acura or whatever you put infront of me as long as it's N/A. And yes any 95+ stock Z24 (2.4 TC/Ecotec) will kill any import of the same class. Yes imports have a higher rev limit but WFC? that just shows that they can't make an efficent engine with a straight power curve. whoop-te-frikin-da you have to rev up to 7 grand just to get the HP that a domestic makes at 4500.

and for all of you pre-pubescent F&F post whores you all need to take a look at this thread, and really read it. Look how completely retarded you all look compairing 2 unlike things, it's like saying "my Ninja is way faster than his Spree" (not an exact comparison, but similar).

and you all really need to check out this site:
http://members.tripod.com/~juan_espero/


congradulations, you've all just had a reality check. (sorry it took so long)

first off...its intelligent, but we won't argue over that.

if YOU actually read wut ppl are writing, then u'd realize how ignorant ur post was. very few ppl on here are saying that NO Z24 will ever bring down a honda, because that is a flat out lie.

if u read my post i even SAID that the Z24 SHOULD beat any civic, but that on the streets, that doesn't mean it always will.

these cars are not that dissimilar. the Z24 is actually the top of the line for the cav, compared to the gsr which isn't even the top of the line integra.

both are compacts with a little umph that can be modified to be impressive cars. if this isn't tru, then wut is the "same class" as the Z24? face it, the integra is the same class, and can beat a Z24 stock vs stock.

if u don't want honda's, how bout the new gti 1.8t? thats an "import" that is also in the same class. or even the Vr6 Jetta?

as for the arguement about having to rev way up to make any type of h/p, yes that is tru. but think about it. u've got a 3.1 liter motor, compared to a 1.8 liter. honda had to come up with a way to make such a small motor be able to produce the power and stay competetive with the other compacts.

but...thats jus my :2cents:

That's in reference to a civic. Learn to read moron:lol:

thread topic is GSR vs Z24 moron, excuse me if i cant exactly keep track of all 10 damn pages of this thread.

and white lightning 2- 3.1 liters makes 160HP? efficient? :lol2:
B16b- 1.6 liters makes 185HP=efficient, sure you gotta rev it but still.
you got 51.6 HP/liter and the CTR has 115.6 HP/liter. sure he doesnt have youre torque, but thats cuz you got twice the displacement.

allright, the B.S. stops here.



So far i've seen 1, and maybe 2 intellegent people in this thread. The rest of you need to bang your heads on your desk to knock that rice out of your ears. This is the kind of crap that makes the internet an un-reliable source for information. I have a 1991 Z24 5spd(modded 3.1 MPFI, roughly 160HP/190 lbs of torque) and i can walk all over just about any civic, acura or whatever you put infront of me as long as it's N/A. And yes any 95+ stock Z24 (2.4 TC/Ecotec) will kill any import of the same class. Yes imports have a higher rev limit but WFC? that just shows that they can't make an efficent engine with a straight power curve. whoop-te-frikin-da you have to rev up to 7 grand just to get the HP that a domestic makes at 4500.

and for all of you pre-pubescent F&F post whores you all need to take a look at this thread, and really read it. Look how completely retarded you all look compairing 2 unlike things, it's like saying "my Ninja is way faster than his Spree" (not an exact comparison, but similar).

and you all really need to check out this site:
http://members.tripod.com/~juan_espero/


congradulations, you've all just had a reality check. (sorry it took so long)


whoa whoa whoa...you are killing me here. It's ok! I don't have any friends either and I get pissed off a lot. Your Z24 will smoke my Accord any day of the week. You win. The only problem is...I'm not fucking smart enough to give a shit. If that site is yours it could use some work, don't be selective when comparing vehicles in classes. It is just a simple fact that yes, that car has a better road holding index than the others, but you should throw in a variety that way people can see the different potential of each car. Oh yeah...welcome to AF new fella

allright, the B.S. stops here.



So far i've seen 1, and maybe 2 intellegent people in this thread. The rest of you need to bang your heads on your desk to knock that rice out of your ears. This is the kind of crap that makes the internet an un-reliable source for information. I have a 1991 Z24 5spd(modded 3.1 MPFI, roughly 160HP/190 lbs of torque) and i can walk all over just about any civic, acura or whatever you put infront of me as long as it's N/A. And yes any 95+ stock Z24 (2.4 TC/Ecotec) will kill any import of the same class. Yes imports have a higher rev limit but WFC? that just shows that they can't make an efficent engine with a straight power curve. whoop-te-frikin-da you have to rev up to 7 grand just to get the HP that a domestic makes at 4500.



You sir are an Idiot... As much of a fan of the Ecotec 2.2 I am, I know its limits.

To keep it short cause I'm pretty sure these guys have covered all the bases I say to you...

Whitelightning2 - You fail in life, Please end yourself. It'll be for the best of humanity. Really.

dont underestimate the 2.4 litre Quad4. they made 100hp per litre in America long before Honda introduced one stateside.


If the 2.4 made 100hp per liter, it would be running 240 hp. It is only around 63 hp per liter.

If the 2.4 made 100hp per liter, it would be running 240 hp. It is only around 63 hp per liter.
:gives: :banhim:

ok after reading through this entire forum i have come to this conclusion WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK!!!!!! if 67 camaro pulls up to a stoplight against an oh lets say 98 integra type-r and they go at it i dont care who has what or if one used nitrous or anything who gets there first is what matters isnt that what racing is about and i do agree on the point of comparing cars in different classes doesnt work but lets see the only real comparison you can use is who has the bigger wallet cause whoever does in the end is gonna win cause no one is ever finished with a car and in the end when we are all dead the one with the biggest and baddest car still is dead! i dont care even who wins what yes i have preferences but does it really matter if i get beat i just go cool for him cause it dont bother me say if i had a top fuel dragster and out of some miracle a civic beats me i would congratulate him and say cool and maybe possibly learn how and the hell he did it and maybe apply that knowledge to my vehicle


basicly what im saying the only real winner is the one who doesnt car and has fun racing win or lose who cares who actually wins


and for the record i have a 92 integra gs stock automatic my friend has a 2003 cavalier ls sport automatic basicly z24 im sure he would probably win havnt raced him but after about 5 yrs im sure ill have a lot more mods in my car and he will still be paying off his and ill probably whop him but he will still be my friend

:screwy: this thread has to stop being used its soooo old
everyone just keeps using it to trash talk
just try to go fast and worry about your car not everyone elses
cause who fn cares about the other guy

i killed a z24 2 weeks ago in my stepmom's 95 geo prizm. all the geo has is a cai that i made myself that looks just like an aem cai. the z24 had exhaust and headers. KILL KILL KILL!!!!!

Sense this is already at the top I will post this last little bit of advice WHO GIVES A F**K ANYMORE
IT IS DEAD LEAVE IT DEAD!!!

i beat ecotec z24's in my RS with an intake and an axle back muffler. its close but i get em in third gear.

the older ones with the quad 4 motors beat me by a car.

i beat ecotec z24's in my RS with an intake and an axle back muffler. its close but i get em in third gear.

the older ones with the quad 4 motors beat me by a car.

Why are you bringing up old dead posts for? Nothing good will come from this except another flame war, please when you see a post that is really old like this one leave it there, unless the question that is being asked has not been answered and you know the answer.:loser:

im sorry it was at the top of the page. why dont you stop flaming everyone and contribute?

its at the top of the page because people like you can't show a little self control and LET IT DIE!!!!! And now because of the stupid comment you made to whtteg I'm doing the same shit as you! I'm tired of this thread and i think most people are. Please Let It Die!!

I don't care what anyone else says in it but i will not contribute to it any more...

a z24 has 150 hp and 165 lbs of torque and it depends on how much the outher car ways. i know it will be more than yours but you will have to take into consideration on how much less the exaust and if they took things off. It will still have more horse and it may be better balanced than yours. i think it will be a close race.

Cool Cars

Have you not read the posts above? People who are here alot and are more vetran members want this thread to die b/c it is soo pointless and stupid.

Please anybody who comes across this thread let it die and don't post, I don't think there is anything that can be said that has not already been said.

Sorry to belittle a lot of you guys, but you called down the thunder and you got it. Point being, that I love my Z24 and nothing you can say will change that. I'm sure that the same is true for civic/integ/rsx/gsr owners. I know how the cars run because I am a mechanic and I have owned my share of both. All stock though. I will say that they were all unique cars in their own way, but I just prefer the Z24 because it has the best bang and looks for the buck. Granted that the RSX's and GSR's are quick (definitely quicker than a Z), but they come with a hefty price tag to boot. When you slip down into my price bracket, you will find that the Z's put on a great competetion for base tegs and civics. Granted that a lot depends on the driver, but the Z24 is not a car to underestimate. As for the base teg and civic owners who boast about crushing victories, I'll let you sit there and think about what you have said. I have a lot of common sense and I am still trying to absorb that and find some truth in it. Truthfully there is none. American cars have made an amazing turn around in the past few years and I think at bare minimum, you should hold some form of respect and not insult the cars that are built in the best country in the world. The country that you live in! Well, good luck guys.

I have a 99 Z-24 5speed standard (stock) and also a 91 civic Si 5speed standard (few mods, AEM cai,chip,"2.25 exaust) The Civic is faster!! It blows away a 99 cougar as well with exaust so your Gsr should blow that Z-24 away. Put some money on the race and buy yourself some mods!! lol

P.S : The Z-24 really has a shitty tranny. I'm on my 3rd one!! And not a cheap one either.

My question is....how will i do?

my friends have both a stock 00' gsr and a 99' z24 with i/h/e. we went to the races and the gsr pulled away from the z24 everytime. i have confidence in your gsr

This is the thread that wont die, the most infamous thread we have... just as it starts to get old... somebody votes on the stupid poll... guys, we appreciate your saying that the GSR is great and and will win, but please, this is an old thread. You'll only get people mad, its been debated and its over. the GSR WILL WIN.

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I had raced a modded sunfire (pontiac cavalier) with the z24 engine in it (the gl, gt whatever version). It kinda kept up with my gsr, but I still beat him pretty damn good. I would say that there really is no comparison between the 2.