Ricers

No reason to lock it yet. Its in the right forum. I don't see any blatent rule breaking. If you're no longer interested - don't open the thread and it'll go away on its own.

Uh, if the Saleen was slow, I WOULD call it rice.

If it's a mid 14 second car at most I don't really think it is rice. I have no clue what the focus runs so as stated I won't go there.

Scion is trying to market itself as rice. It's about as stupid as that "customize your happy meal with grapes and orange juice instead of soda and french fries" at McDonalds or whoever the hell does it.

I never said Toyota is rice. Stop pulling words out of your ass and putting them in my mouth. The only cars from Toyota I don't think are real quick/have a whole lot of potential would be the newest(2000+?) Celicas. Their older generations I believe are more preferable to those much like how Eclipses are great to mod unless its 2000 or newer.

Oh yeah, I guess that means everything in the world is rice except Camaros, becasue you seem to diss every car except for muscle cars and Camaros. Well, I've seen some pretty "riced" out Camaros so dont get me started.

Oh yes, everything in the world is stupid unless it says Camaro. I could stomp on NSXs and Lamborghini Diablos all day and then eat Ferrari Enzos for lunch. RRRAAAAWWWRRRRRR!!! No. If it is faster than my car I'll give it props, be it 4 cylinders, 6 cylinders, or none at all. If I beat someone in a race and they aren't a dick about it(ricer flyby, bitching about "I missed a shift, go die stupid domestic biatch, etc etc) I'll be cool with them no matter what the hell they drive. I'd say rice is about 65-70% attitude and 30-35% car.

I've seen my share of riced out Camaros as well. Just because you see one riced out Camaro doesn't mean they all are. Same with Hondas, but the fact is, they are more riced out than other cars with Acuras and Mitsubishis right around there. It's like insurance rates, just because it is proven that young male teen drivers get in more accidents than others doesn't mean I fit into that statistic.

And I thought I'd share this just to humor you and your misconception of ALL Camaro drivers(or so it seems)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/flatlander757/Misc/domesticthug.jpg

Hell even I find that funny :rofl:


And BTW - The NSX is more proof that all that stuff is overpriced... A C6 Z06 beats the NSX on the strip and the track for FAR less. Though I don't think the NSX is produced anymore so it probably isn't fair comparing an overpriced 10 year old car to a new one.

I know what you mean but you gotta work for it. I work at Sonic for $6/hour. I'm 16 also. I pay about $180/m for insurance on my Z28. It's hella worth it :grinyes: I can't modify it as rapidly as I would like, but I'd rather do it slow and have it done right the first time. My goal is 400+ RWHP by the time I leave high school :naughty:

Exactly, but to some people its harder and all they want is to make theres atleast try to stand out like any mustang or camaro. I wish I was you cause I rather have a 8 cylindar then a 4 cylindar but I cant afford it. Also I might keep the Civic after we fix a few problems, I think my brother hit 14s or 15s im not sure thoe.

The only cars from Toyota I don't think are real quick/have a whole lot of potential would be the newest(2000+?) Celicas. Their older generations I believe are more preferable to those much like how Eclipses are great to mod unless its 2000 or newer.

That's not true at all. The 2zz is a great engine, and revs up to 8000 rpms. It's a great car. Stock for stock it's faster than the older ones.



If it is faster than my car I'll give it props, be it 4 cylinders, 6 cylinders, or none at all. If I beat someone in a race and they aren't a dick about it(ricer flyby, bitching about "I missed a shift, go die stupid domestic biatch, etc etc) I'll be cool with them no matter what the hell they drive. I'd say rice is about 65-70% attitude and 30-35% car.

Why is your car the benchmark for determining whether a car is rice or not? what makes your car so special? I understand that you love your car and stuff, but it is not a benchmark to anyone else.



And BTW - The NSX is more proof that all that stuff is overpriced... A C6 Z06 beats the NSX on the strip and the track for FAR less. Though I don't think the NSX is produced anymore so it probably isn't fair comparing an overpriced 10 year old car to a new one.


Don't even bring up the NSX. It was designed in 1990. Back then it would eat up the Corvettes on the track, or anywhere. It's just a little bit aged, but it's still an EXOTIC car. The corvette is Not exotic. Just wait for the 2nd gen NSX to come out than compare it to the current corvette. V10 Hybrid. That should kick some butt.

Alright I suppose you're right on the Celica engine, it's just that I've seen it posted by others that the 2000+ didn't have as much potential as other engines, same with the Eclipse. But yes it is faster stock for stock.


Why is your car the benchmark for determining whether a car is rice or not? what makes your car so special? I understand that you love your car and stuff, but it is not a benchmark to anyone else.


Where did I say my car is the benchmark?>>>

Originally Posted by flatlander757
If it is faster than my car I'll give it props, be it 4 cylinders, 6 cylinders, or none at all. If I beat someone in a race and they aren't a dick about it(ricer flyby, bitching about "I missed a shift, go die stupid domestic biatch, etc etc) I'll be cool with them no matter what the hell they drive. I'd say rice is about 65-70% attitude and 30-35% car.


I was just saying that I'll accept defeat since there are cars faster than mine, and that if I beat someone else, I won't be a dummy and rub it in their face and call them rice because I'm faster than them.

Now if they roll up witha big ass wing, rediculous body kit, and claim to run 9s, then yes, if I beat them I will call it rice. Unless it actually does run 9s, then I'd go and shit a brick :smile:


Don't even bring up the NSX. It was designed in 1990. Back then it would eat up the Corvettes on the track, or anywhere. It's just a little bit aged, but it's still an EXOTIC car. The corvette is Not exotic. Just wait for the 2nd gen NSX to come out than compare it to the current corvette. V10 Hybrid. That should kick some butt.


You're right, I'm thinking of some thread I read in a Honda forum where everyone was like "oooh the NSX would take the new Corvette on the track any day.... etc etc" which it won't but like you said if it is refined then it very well has the potential to. I don't consider the Corvette exotic either, I think of it as an old guy car. They are fast as hell but I wouldn't want one.

Could you PM me a link to this V10 hybrid talk? sounds interesting...

hmm, y'know, i'd say that on a track, the NSX-R (i know.... it's not a regular NSX but it isn't that different) has a pretty good chance against a corvette, considering the fact that it absolutely trounced both the M3 and 993 turbo and kept a mucielago and gallardo on their toes.

As for the price, it isn't cheap but then again, considering what it is, it isn't that expensive. At the time, the equivilant car that was using inferior build methods cost more than the NSX did. Even now, you won't find a car built in the same way for less than £50,000 (audi A2 excluded.......)

pfft, camaros and mustangs both turn as well. with some minor suspension work and some time behind the wheel they handle hella good. in the car comparisons forum someone stated that an LS1 Camaro could handle as well or better than a 240SX both with comprable mods.



You obviously have no experience with suspensions or driven a 240sx. skidpad of an F-body = .83, mustang = .81, 240sx = .89. Also if you've ever driven one, a 240sx has far superior control. Independent 4-wheel suspension + multi-link suspension owns old live rear axle suspensions. I've also driven both, the stang and camaro feels like a boat compared to the 240sx. I was goin on an onramp, turnin probably about a 45 degree turn goin 40 mph, and there was so much body-roll. On my 240 I can go 60-65 mph no problem. Ass feels planted on the ground. Also my bud's trans am, he had a fully modded out suspension. sub-frame connectors, adj pan handle bar, strut bars, coilovers, the whole shebang and said that his stock 240sx still handles better and feels more nimble.

Now a 240sx with suspension mods will blow any f-body or stang outta the water. I'm a suspension freak, i have a well tuned suspension which was research thoroughly. SPL tension rods v2, tein tie rods, coilovers, front + rear strut bars, subframe spacers, and rear upper control arms. Don't get me wrong, they are both different cars. I won't argue that a 240sx is a better or faster car. The trans am/z28s are great for draggin. A big displacement + lots of hp stock has an advantage over low displacement japanese engines, but they are not god's gift to cars though, and they definetly are only made for going straight well.

Also my bud's trans am, he had a fully modded out suspension. sub-frame connectors, adj pan handle bar, strut bars, coilovers, the whole shebang and said that his stock 240sx still handles better and feels more nimble.

Then your bud sucks at doing it right.

SLP Firehawk
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=3505&page_number=2
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad..........0.88 g


1998 Chevrolet Camaro SS
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/camaro.html
Lateral Acceleration 0.87g

1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/93chevroletcamaroz28.html
Skidpad: .90g

1997 Chevrolet Camaro SS
http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/97chevroletcamaro.html
Skidpad: .87g



Back in the early '90s the 240SX (S13) was tested at 0.82g

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=39&article_id=1756&page_number=2

http://www.zilvia.net/f/printthread.php?t=2313
Going by what what said in those threads, an S13 pulls .82 or so and an S14 pulls about .89

back your numbers up and provide proof you know what the hell you're talking about.

but you are right in saying the 240 handles better after suspension mods.

alright well...... this is just to funny i dont like ricer's myself but i do agree i like some of them. as long as it looks/performs good. any 1st or 2nd generation eclipse or talon is good gs-t,gsx,tsi, tsi awd. also the evo Viii are nice and supra's and rx-7's other than that i dont like any other foriegn. i find it so funny when i see a civic driving around with a huge grapefruit luncher exhaust with multi colored body parts with the steel black rims and the body kit which is blue and grey. all i can do is laugh
seen almost the same thing on a ford ZX-2 now thats dumb-estic rice

I'v seen alot of Ford Focus's having stuff like that done to them.

Cosworth V8 Focus will own any camaro....

Then your bud sucks at doing it right.

SLP Firehawk
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=3505&page_number=2
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad..........0.88 g


1998 Chevrolet Camaro SS
http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/camaro.html
Lateral Acceleration 0.87g

1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/93chevroletcamaroz28.html
Skidpad: .90g

1997 Chevrolet Camaro SS
http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/97chevroletcamaro.html
Skidpad: .87g



http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=39&article_id=1756&page_number=2

http://www.zilvia.net/f/printthread.php?t=2313
Going by what what said in those threads, an S13 pulls .82 or so and an S14 pulls about .89

back your numbers up and provide proof you know what the hell you're talking about.

but you are right in saying the 240 handles better after suspension mods.

well I was talking about an s14, which is what I have. I agree, the s13s do tend to understeer, but it's nothing a front + rear sway bar cannot correct. As far as those cars you listed, those are skidpad results are after they have gotten modded, while mine does slightly better than those stock (cept for the z28 one which has .01 g better modded). Reason why s14's handle better than s13s is because of its longer wheel base as well as the chassis being made more stiff. You can't always go by skidpad ratings as well, it only tells half the story. skidpad tests are on really smooth surface, and doesn't take account bumps or uneven parts of the road like in real street driving. American cars score better than they do in skid pads testing b/c they use wider wheels and grip better on the skid pad tests. Only way to find out for yourself is to drive one on the road and see the control + body roll difference.

I don't know what you mean by saying those times are all "after modded." The Firehawk yes, because I believe it gets some suspension goodies from SLP, but I believe it's mostly to go straight, but the Z28s and SSs could all be ordered in that form. Anywho...


Getting a bit back on topic, why do people always argue about suspension and "being able to take ___ in the twisties" after they drag race their car when it "isn't set up for doing so" ??? I have heard a few of these excuses and they make me laugh. :lol2:

My theory anything with an Lt series engine wasn't made to handle....

Cept west... http://tinypic.com/9tnvnm.gif

Getting a bit back on topic, why do people always argue about suspension and "being able to take ___ in the twisties" after they drag race their car when it "isn't set up for doing so" ??? I have heard a few of these excuses and they make me laugh. :lol2:

Good point if you can't take the heat get outa the sun as they say.

There r good ricers out there its jus cuz there r so many idiots that think its cool and try to copy it that they disgrace everyone else. My friend has a civic and we jus did a little stuff like put in a strut bar, sway bar, intake, exhaust, racing rims. That car is so much fun we go out on turns all the time(cuz they cant do straight aways) at 65, we even lifted off the ground once lol. Also maybe u didnt kno but people do stupid shit to muscle cars too ive seen them w/ neon lights and chrome wheels, so u shouldnt say shit. I believe it doesnt matter wat they drive as long as they do that shit everyone who sees them should be able to swing at them at least once.

Also u guys r talkin about spendin tons of money on car when we built his for FREE. The car the parts everything and theyre not cheap shit too the rims hit a curb at 60 and didnt crake they just got scratched a little. But i guess thats the perp of having a sponsered cousin. O and i HATE neon lights w/ a passion.

I know stupid stuff is done to muscle cars too.

And what the hell are you guys thinking going around turns at 65? You obviously don't know the limits of your car if you're hitting curbs and lifting tires off the ground. Thanks for contributing to my $180/m insurance rate :smile:

Well the curb was his first time goin that fast on a turn so something was bound to happen. The lifting was cuz he decided to pull the handbrake, but that one was a little slower. O and ure welcome.

And what the hell are you guys thinking going around turns at 65? You obviously don't know the limits of your car if you're hitting curbs and lifting tires off the ground. Thanks for contributing to my $180/m insurance rate :smile:

i'm going to have to agree, lifting tires off the ground is not cool. "Look at me! i can do a flip in my car!"

Lifting tires off the ground can be cool... If you have a lowrider.

I only hate them "ricers" when the drivers are way too overconfident. Some prick with a Mazda Protege was laughing at my wagon the other day at a stoplight. He must not have seen the piece on the fender that said Gran Torino. I blew him away. There's nothing wrong with those little "ricers" as long as their drivers know their limits. I'm not gonna stop at a red light with my Escort, look at the Celica GT in the other lane, and start revving up my engine.

Who said anything about flipping, we pretty much hydroplaned without any water, so spun out expect we lifted off the ground.

Who said anything about flipping, we pretty much hydroplaned without any water, so spun out expect we lifted off the ground.

Key word: Hydro, aka WATER. Therefor it is kind of necessary.

And you lifted off the ground because you dont know what the hell you're doing.

I was unaware you could hyrdoplane without water. That doesnt sound to possible. I dont think that flying around a corner at 65 is a very smart thing to do. But what do i know.

Ricers are just plain idiots when it comes to driving at night. I was on my way to work around 12:30 AM this morning, and this completely stock '02-'03 Eclipse came right alongside me with 3 dumbass guys in it trying to get me to race. I simply held up my middle finger at them for a couple of miles, then cut them off and floored it, leaving them in the darkness. I drive a '91 Mazda Protege SOHC with only about 100 horses, yet I managed to beat the hell out of a much newer, more powerful car. What is up with that? If you want to race, at least try to compete if it comes to it. Some people have no lives, driving around all night looking for a challenge. Well, they found one, and I bet they won't try me again.

Petty's No. 43 turned sideways coming out of Turn 4, lifted off the ground, spun wildly on its nose while airborne,

From http://www.nascar.com/2003/kyn/history/daytona/01/31/daytona_1988/

Apartly u can spin out off the ground like i said. I said we "pretty much" such as like but not as.

Petty's car weighs 1800lbs, has a 100% fiberglass body on top of a tube chassis, it cranks out 750 hp and goes 190 mph. Are you seriously comparing a semi-riced Civic to a NASCAR car?

Hydro means water. If you spun out on a dry surface you just spun out, you didn't hydroplane.

I can't beleive I'm still posting in this stupid thread.

Im not comparing a NASCAR to a Civic im just saying it is possible to spin out with out it being wet and there r diff ways to do it. I kno that fuckin hydro means water thats y i said w/o water or spun out. I jus couldnt figure out how to explain that cuz when u hyproplane a lot of the times u lift off the ground while u spin out u jus lose traction. Im done postin u guys r bein dicks jus cuz i have trouble puttin my thoughts into words.

Petty's car weighs 1800lbs, has a 100% fiberglass body on top of a tube chassis, it cranks out 750 hp and goes 190 mph. Are you seriously comparing a semi-riced Civic to a NASCAR car?

Hydro means water. If you spun out on a dry surface you just spun out, you didn't hydroplane.

I can't beleive I'm still posting in this stupid thread.

Lmao this isnt F1..... :lol:

Nascar (stock weighs around 3400lbs an only cranks out about 500-550 whp)

NASCAR rules have a minimum empty car weight of 3400 lbs, minimum driver + car weight of 3600 lbs. So if a driver weighs less than 200 lbs, they weight the car.

If it spins out on dry pavement it didn't hydroplane, Simply stated you lost control an slide of probably on rocks or sand. - Hence the usage of HYDRO.

Lmao this isnt F1..... :lol:

Nascar (stock weighs around 3400lbs an only cranks out about 500-550 whp)

Yah I just guessed the NASCAR shit because I figured no one would really care. Normally I research things before I post. But I thought I read somewhere those engines crank out about 750hp. Maybe I dreamed it.

My point was an NASCAR spec car can't be compared to a Civic.

would u consider this rice (http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshows/articles/48020/page007.html)
not me i think it looks classy
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/2001/sema/chevrolet_malibu_cruiser/chevrolet.malibucruiser.500.jpg

My point was an NASCAR spec car can't be compared to a Civic.


Not true at all.... Theres one thing in common civics are like nascar stock cars because no matter what you do to em they'll always be the same. :biggrin:

hmm, like stupid people.

Well the curb was his first time goin that fast on a turn so something was bound to happen. The lifting was cuz he decided to pull the handbrake, but that one was a little slower. O and ure welcome.

Damn, your either really lazy or you just can't spell.

would u consider this rice (http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshows/articles/48020/page007.html)
not me i think it looks classy
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/2001/sema/chevrolet_malibu_cruiser/chevrolet.malibucruiser.500.jpg

Damn. That car does look pretty fly. Didn't know a Malibu could look so good. I'm impressed.

That Malibu looks pretty nice.

I'd consider that a showcar, not rice.

It's alright looking. I'd take my buddies '81 Malibu streetrod over it any day :iceslolan

going back to the first page flatlander what is wrong w/ after market wheels? i dont understand why u hate them did u ever consider that some aftermarket wheels are lighter then stock and that sometimes they are needed for a diferent offset or for a wider stance.

oh and this thread is stupid. and now ill throw my 2 cents. i hate import kids who try to race everything they see. and i hate the "v8 muscle" guys who do the same. both scenes have there people in then who are gay and do stupid shit to there cars. personally i like import better though. ill take my turbo 4 banger over the v8 anytime. i like my boost better. dont get me wrong there are some v8s id take but overall i like my 240 better then any camaro or mustang ive driven. a for body kits some look like ass but then again there are also some very clean kits that look very nice like that malibu. but then again i wouldnt ever get a kit cause id just destroy it drfting at some point. its inevitable. car preferences all vary from person to person. flatlander u like to go in a straight line from what it sounds like. i think going in a straight line is boring give me the twisties any day.

The funny thing is, everyone keeps comparing supped up 4 bagers to a stock V8. It's apple's and orange's. I guarantee that if you take a V8 in its greatest form(ie: 454,402,427) it would light up any import you see on the streets. I know that there are imports that can beat a V8, but it's got to have nitrous, boost, yada yada yada. In final saying, this battle will go on untill the end of tires. Untill cars fly, their will be someone somewhere making a thread about how they hate the other one and everyone else should to. When you get down to it, the V8 is a bigger, faster and more powerfull engine. The 4 banger is better on fuel and is more affordable for your average joe. This whole battle is not on how some people hate the looks of a "rice" car, or the attitude of the driver, or the other way around. It is the age old thing called"pride". Everyone believes their car is the best and is the only car worth the road. This thread has become as usefull and time consuming as the age old "chicken and the egg" argument.

This thread has become as usefull and time consuming as the age old "chicken and the egg" argument.


or the did adam and eve have belly button question

I honestly don't know why I wrote wheels, I guess just kinda angry at the time LOL. But I do hate the idiots that buy the biggest freaking wheels they can find.

About body kits: it's the ass ones I hate as well. As long as it doesn't look like a transformer or something and looks clean and flows well I don't think I'd be too critical of it.

Yes I do like going in a straight line, for now. I'm going to try my hand at auto-X once I get my car a decent tune-up and get the inspection sticker renewed. I think that you've provided one of the most intelligent responses in this thread, SlidewayzS13.

And in regards to bluechevelle's comment:

The funny thing is, everyone keeps comparing supped up 4 bagers to a stock V8. It's apple's and orange's. I guarantee that if you take a V8 in its greatest form(ie: 454,402,427) it would light up any import you see on the streets. I know that there are imports that can beat a V8, but it's got to have nitrous, boost, yada yada yada. In final saying, this battle will go on untill the end of tires.

I've found that tends to be true as well. But in all honesty, my neighbor used to have a low 12 second NA Civic which I think is very impressive. I had passed him off as a ricer until he popped the hood and showed me timeslips. He's definitely earned my respect.

Also, I think a lot of this has to do with where I live. I think "stupid things to do to cars" trends vary from area to area.

I'll have you guys know you've changed my views on imports as far as respect and their abilities, but still stand strongly against idiots with "mad blingin altezzas and rimmmmzzz yooo!!" :loser: I guess you just have to go with your preference but keep in mind a mutual respect for stuff you don't prefer.

or the did adam and eve have belly button question

What the hell? I've never heard of that?

What the hell? I've never heard of that?


Me either

haha its a question asking if adam and eve had belly buttons since they were not born like everyone else they were created. so since they never had a imbellical chord did they have belly buttons. now someone bring this back on topic for me

my preference is my unwaxed paint and the huge dent along my passenger side rear panel. and my cracked tail light. I do have a cf hood, but i wish it was painted to match the car it was just as easy to replace my hood w/ /cf as it was to replace it w/ the stock hood.

Thats a pretty badass Malibu there.

i think what is happening is that the definition of "rice" is being stretched over way too many scenarios. like: the guy in the saturn with a huge muffler driving like a crazy idiot. compared to the guy who has a car with body kit and ugly paint but driving normally. or a Civic with 19" chrome wheels but nothing else. are those all rice? i dont think so.

i never race anyone and at most i drive 5-10 over the speed limit. always use signals, never run lights, dont cut ppl off. blah blah blah. my car is slow. and it has exterior work done to it. if someone calls it "rice" i take huge offense to that. thats just ignorance. Why put something down when you know nothing about it? Personally i feel working on a car has to come from your soul. i mean if your really into it for the fun and the hobby aspect. i love my car. ive put work into it and in return it gets me where i need to go and doesnt break. cars are machines and have no feelings but i think the better you take care of your car the more fun it is to drive and own. i dont know if anyone else is like this but i truly enjoy working on my car. its my favorite thing to do.

if you guys want rice this is rice
http://www.blert.net/ai/4.html

yeah that thing pretty much sucks.