Superchargers

i havent really done a search on super chargers lately but when i did it awhile ago it seems that all super chargers are like 6'' tall... lol, i dont need this hunk of metal sticking out of my car, i know some mustangs have superchargers that fit under the stock hood and have heard of some camaros with superchargers under the stock hood, i was wondering if they have super chargers for 2000 ls1 that will fit under the stock hood? anyone with links or info? i could always search again but then again i wont really know if it will fit under the stock hood.

this is why i was gonna go with a turbo, you wont even know its there untill its to late but i really dont want anyone to know what i have under my hood... and i think that sound from the wastegate would get on my nerves after awhile...

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Welcome to the wounerful world of forced inuction! the suoerchargers you were looking at are more comminly referd to as blowers an only go on carbed engines. the superchargers you've heard of that fit under the hood are probally round and are called certrifugal super chargers. theres several major companys that make superchargers, an I personaly would take a supercharger over a turbo anyday. superchargers make there power at low to mid ranges. while a turbo only makes its power at higher rpms an youll have to wait for your lag to kick till you get the power to the wheels. now granted that the smaller the turbo the smaller the lag, but i like the belt driven supercharger. If your just looking for a quick 100hp or sumthing like 50% of what your engins already making look up these gyus. http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/ , http://www.paxtonauto.com/. Now if you want todo supercharging the rigthway an get up 85% i personaly recomend procharger www.procharger.com (http://www.procharger.com) they use intercooling like a turbo to get cold air into the intake make make monster power. good luck

Welcome to the wounerful world of forced inuction! the suoerchargers you were looking at are more comminly referd to as blowers an only go on carbed engines. the superchargers you've heard of that fit under the hood are probally round and are called certrifugal super chargers. theres several major companys that make superchargers, an I personaly would take a supercharger over a turbo anyday. superchargers make there power at low to mid ranges. while a turbo only makes its power at higher rpms an youll have to wait for your lag to kick till you get the power to the wheels. now granted that the smaller the turbo the smaller the lag, but i like the belt driven supercharger. If your just looking for a quick 100hp or sumthing like 50% of what your engins already making look up these gyus. http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/ , http://www.paxtonauto.com/. Now if you want todo supercharging the rigthway an get up 85% i personaly recomend procharger www.procharger.com (http://www.procharger.com) they use intercooling like a turbo to get cold air into the intake make make monster power. good luck

yea, i just relized i must have been looking at something totally diffrent, but oh well. btw are you able to adjust the bost from a supercharger?

of course boost is adjustable, as far as i know the bigger the pulley the more boost you'll crank out of it. im guessing there are other ways but im not all knowing an all powerfull yet so thats all i got on adjusting boost.

of course boost is adjustable, as far as i know the bigger the pulley the more boost you'll crank out of it. im guessing there are other ways but im not all knowing an all powerfull yet so thats all i got on adjusting boost.

ok, how will i know which one is for me? the 2200 at paxton is nice, but its used a mustang? are the super chargers universal? will my car still be street legal with one of thos? its good that they are adhjustable becasue at first it will be just a mildly tuned z but later i plan on an engine swap to a better LS engine...maybe an ls1 covette race engine or the ls7 (if i can afford it at the time).

Well superchargers themself should be universal, but its all about fitting the tubing. since you bright it up i think the last time i looked at paxton i got pissed an closed the web page cause all i saw were chargers for the mustangs. i recomend that you look at procharger, they'll have you want.

lol, ok, i will check on them

just make sure you stay away from any scams about electric superchargers! superchargers increase compression while forcing air into the block, an electric fan claiming to give HP isnt worth even thinking about

exactly the superchargers used on production engines that are roots style (twin screw) like on the supercharged mustangs, are for fuel injection, and there is a supercharger called a magnacharger that will work on the LS1. and will fit under the stock hood.

The superchargers you were looking at are large roots style blowers that are designed off of the ones originally used on big diesl engines. thats why they are so big. its also where the designations come from. an 8-71 blower was used on an 8 cylender Disle engine with each cylender displacing 71 cubic inches. or something like that.

spikeD is correct in that most underhood superchargers are like those from Vortec or Paxton, and are centrifugal.

personally after doing my research the only benifit to a supercharger i have found is the ease of install. Turbochargers have a bad rep because the older ones were plagued with turbo lag, overboost, and sluggish response to engine conditions, and when you let the engine slow down, the turbo would loose boost and youd have lag again. superchargers are dependant on engine speed, producing very little boost at low rpms, and building boost as the rpms rise, creating a very "peaky" hp band.

a modern, complete turbo setup will provide far more hp over the powerband, sacrificing little hp at peak to the centrifugal supercharger. Turbos also make more torque. With blowoff valves and... cant remember the other part, tubros can maintain their boost even after the engine speed drops, and can limit their boost to prevent overboosting. also modern tubos have nearly eliminated turbo lag, with better designed impeller blades and some even have variable geometry impeller blades. they are harder to route, but i would go with a turbo over a supercharger, unless you just want a quick clean install. in that case i would go with a magnacharger.

lol, ok, who makes a complete Turbo charger kit (a really big turbo) for the ls1 camaro? im pretty sure that boost is changeable with turbos to but they arent pulley driven so how would you lower or raise the boost with a turbo?

the boost is not really controlled so much as limited. with a blower you can control how high your boost is by changing your pullies. a smaller pully will create more boost, a larger pully will creat less boost.

with a turbo, they will continue to make more boost untill you bleed it off. hence the waste gate,haha, thats what its called. and blowoff valves. to control your level of boost and turbo speed.

as far as a complete ready to install setup, i would look into lingenfelter, i know they have a twin turbo setup for the LS1 with intercoolers that they put on the vette, im not sure what setup they have for the F-body, but im sure they have one.

With blowoff valves and... cant remember the other part

wastegate, might be what your looken for. Lingenfelter an others make twin turbo systems for the ls1, turbos adjust there boost through a boost controller an again other things i dono about, by pushing more recycled exaust through the turbo, the biggest turbos i know of are 88mm T1's or T4s, you'll ony need on of those tobe make like 30 lbs of boost huge HP! i think twin turbo systems make more power quicker using smaller tubros.

ok, thanks for the info

i love lingenfelter, sucks that he died, woulda liked to have shook his hand. him and zorka duntov, and smokey yunick. and a few others. gods of the chevy small block.

And when the smallblock came out, no one thought it would work as it does now.

lingenfelter.com only sell twin turbo corvettes, they dont acctually sell turbo systems... or atlest i couldnt find 1

lol, if someone could recommend a brand of turbo, and model, i want 2 smaller ones... for tons of power and very little to no lag, and if you could recommend a intercooler that would be great to

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i shall return with the information....... or something funny at least :)

TO THE INTERNET!!!!!!!!





i shall return with the information....... or something funny at least :)


lol, im already at the internet, just to lazy to use it. Im gonna be greedy and ask that you come back with both because 1, id like to know and 2 its good to have a good laugh once and awhile... or in AF's case everyday sometimes 4 or 5 times a day

i think this took me all of three seconds to find....

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/ls1/ls1.htm

search "LS1 turbocharger system" its the first link that comes up on dogpile.com

also interesting.....

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/i/Usable_Horsepower_ezr.jpg

also interesting.....

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/i/Usable_Horsepower_ezr.jpg

how does the horse power drop as rpms rise? shouldnt it be making more power at the higher rpms?

and for my L98 bretheren.....

http://www.bbsdesigns.net/

interesting, too much for my 700R4 to handle, aside from the fact that i want to stay naturally asperated. but down the road, it would be sweet to build a twin turbo 302 backed by a six speed and a moser 12bolt with 4.10 gears :)

not nessesarily. all engines have a point of peak volumetric efficiency, if you continue to accelerate past that point the speed of the engine and the valve timing negitively impact the ability of the engine to fill its cylenders, when you cant get as much air and fuel in, you cant get as much power out.

ok, but in an ls1 power should keep going till atleast 5500 right?

again, it has to deal with volumeteric efficiency, the turbocharger is set at a max psi, so once it reaches that, it stops building power, and the engine starts its downward trend, im not entirly sure but i would guess that upping the psi would move the power peak out, but youd have to talk to someone like hypsi about it. but remember i pointed out the centrifugal supercharger kept building power up to high rpms and might have the higher peak power. note the graph. however it sacrifices alot of low end grunt. if you were to line the two up side by side. even with equal peak power numbers, the turbo with more off the line pull would probly win.

okokok, so what's the deal with the PSI it adds... if that's too high will it blow out a cylinder wall or something???

If you're running say 180 psi per cylinder, what's your limit if you add a turbo or s/c???

i just noticed that you posted 2 links before, and the 1st link, you pop the hood and it looks f-ing amazing under that hood, i could pop my shit and no one would be any wiser to what i have.... :D

oh and btw, i used to think about mounting my turbos back there near the cats but after awhile i thought that it wouldnt work becasue by the time the charged air got to where it was going it wouldnt be charged anymore... other wise we would have seen it before right? lol, the aussie f's stole my idea... lol and idea i never told anyone becasue i thought i might get flamed :(

i was thinking about throwing a pro charger on my soon to come set up and ive noticed that they fit under our hoods pretty good ( before my ss hood swap) i hope u go through with that turbo or s/c set up that would be bad azzed!

i was thinking about throwing a pro charger on my soon to come set up and ive noticed that they fit under our hoods pretty good ( before my ss hood swap) i hope u go through with that turbo or s/c set up that would be bad azzed!

lol, did you see that first link that 89 posted? under the hood of that car is so nice and clean, and the turbo setup is 100% stealth... im 99.9% sure i will be getting that turbo setup.

But isnt there a lot more maintanence with a turbo system? I believe to properly maintain a turbo you have to let the car idle for about a minute or two before driving it and then let in idle for about 5-10 minutes before shutting it off to let it cool. Also you have to change your oil more often. Thats for most turbos anyways. Volkwagon turbo are unique in that they have a different design that allows longer life. Also the volkswagon turbo always spins which allows for a dramatic decrease in lag. Good stuff though. I was looking at buying a porshe 944 turbo and found out about this stuff...They make awsome power though.

I think that both Turbo and Superchargers you gotta take care of them the same if you want long life outta them.

i havent read anything about letting my car idle for awhile before i drive it... but sure i will do that... letting my car idle for 5 - 10 mins before i shut it of to let them cool is just stupid, they will cool while my car is off.. if it messes up the turbo im gonna smash someone in the head with it

Yeah, wouldnt let the car run for an extra 5-10 mins keep it hot or warm?

Yeah, wouldnt let the car run for an extra 5-10 mins keep it hot or warm?

lol, no its considered "usless idling" lol, anything over 3 mins here in Jersey is a ticket...

The hell? You get a ticket for that?

yep... what can i say...

wow now that is fucked up, tickits for sitting it your car with it idling for more then 3 minutes??? what if your wifes in the store and its freezing ballz outside, you gotta have some heat. come on now. i dont have that prob in florida though :grinyes:

the run time before turning off the engine is real, it can be controlled by a turbo timer that keeps the engine running after you turn the ignition off. the reason for this is that turbo housings get HOT and if you just shut the engine off, the rapid cooling can cause the turbo housing to crack. its pretty common among turbocharged cars.

as far as the problems with overboosted PSI levels, the pressure can cause detonation, blown out piston rings, burned/melted spark plugs, blown out head gaskets, burned valves, and in extreme cases can send your cylender head on vacation.

Im still down for a procharger pSC-1 lots of cold air will do the trick!

Im still down for a procharger pSC-1 lots of cold air will do the trick!

i was gonna go with procharger i wasnt sure which tho (PSC-1 or DSC-1) but then 89 posted that like of that stealth turbo setup and i really liked that, the super charger has to be run by the belt so its always gonna be right there... it will be the first thing you always see, thats why i decided to go with the stealth turbo set up and besides with less piping in the engine bay it will be less of a hassle to do minor enging repairs.

Hahaha your really tryin to hide this stuff arent you! im pretty sure anyone who knows what ot look for (Tubing) will know you've got somthing more than stock. Besides If there under your hood its gonna be pretty had to hide most moddes, its the guy next to you at the light on a long stright away that doesnt get to see what youve got unless its a blower sticking outa the hood at which point is used for intimidation. but good luck with steath turbo thing.

Hahaha your really tryin to hide this stuff arent you! im pretty sure anyone who knows what ot look for (Tubing) will know you've got somthing more than stock. Besides If there under your hood its gonna be pretty had to hide most moddes, its the guy next to you at the light on a long stright away that doesnt get to see what youve got unless its a blower sticking outa the hood at which point is used for intimidation. but good luck with steath turbo thing.

yea, im gonna try like hell to keep as much as posible hidden, so even if they no what they are looking for they wont relize it becasue its not in the obvious place... if i tell you im running stock you look under my hood even if you see a pipe that dont blong are you gonna think turbo right away?

Hahaha your really tryin to hide this stuff arent you! im pretty sure anyone who knows what ot look for (Tubing) will know you've got somthing more than stock.

That is a very funny statement there. A friend of mine, who loves hondas to death, thought mine a/c compressor was a turbo charger. I was like wtf?!!? I could of lied and got away with it, but at the time when we raced, he would've figured it out (way before the headers, car was running like crap), but i still one by a car length. I would like to get the procharger setup myself, but i ain't got the money.

id wounder where that nice piece of chrome tubing is going comming from the mouth of your ls1

SpikeD, i do have to say, that your camaro is badass!! Real clean man, keep up the good work. That paint job would match my interior perfectly, and that's factory?

you could always say that 4in ducting was just a cold air intake rather than a turbocharger intake. hiding the intercooler would be a bit tougher.

Are those supercharger kits easy to install? They look rather simple, or it there more to it? Also, with a stock L98, how much psi would it be able to handle? Is the compression right for it?

SpikeD, i do have to say, that your camaro is badass!! Real clean man, keep up the good work. That paint job would match my interior perfectly, and that's factory?

Thanks bro, im really not sure if a factory paint job or not, i think the factory burgundy might be a lil darker. it seems to sparkle with gliter an iwll turn more red the more its in the sun/brighter out. i do know the 2nd owner (guy befor me) had it painted.

Are those supercharger kits easy to install? They look rather simple, or it there more to it? Also, with a stock L98, how much psi would it be able to handle? Is the compression right for it?


a supercharger itself wouldnt be that big of a project to do , but a procharger kit would take more time seeing as how they use intercoolers , just more tubing work. now the thing with superchargers is your gonna want to lower your engings compression form 9, or 10 depending on what youve got an what youve done to it, to about 8, or 7. the lower your compression is the more power/compression the supercharger will make in return. one thing to mention when talking about superchargers is your fuel increase need, ignition need, and other necessary things that need to be upgraded for you to make the power you want. that mean flue pressure regulators, injecotrs, filters, ignition distributer, coils, coil packs if you have them, there are even custom cams, can be shaved for you an your supercharger.

LOL!! i think iv got the hang of the quote thing now, it only took like 2 trys as seen above! thats what im good for being a newbie >a good laugh!

you could always say that 4in ducting was just a cold air intake rather than a turbocharger intake. hiding the intercooler would be a bit tougher.

what he said... if you looked at the pick in the 1st link 89 posted... you cant tell at all, it looks like cold air intake...

and you can hide the intercoller infront of the rad. who the hell would look there anyway...

someone who knew what to look for???? ;)


oh and you can run 5-7psi on 10:1 compression on a healthy engine.

mmm interesting , didnt know you could run a supercharger with 10:1! thank god for the internet, im growing smarter by the minute! now if only i could speel! :)

haha, dont worry, i kant SPEEL either ;)

someone who knew what to look for???? ;)


oh and you can run 5-7psi on 10:1 compression on a healthy engine.

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look i got 1 word right! "a" :icon16:

whats sad is i could read that at almost normal speed. anyone ever get the email with a paragraph writtn in words that are all incorrect except the first and last letter??? you can read it just fine, its crazy.