SS/SC Vs. V6 Eclipse

While taking a little drive lastnight around town I pulled up next to a V6 Eclipse. I looked it over, saw the V6 badge on it but did'nt think much cause I knew I could take it. However, the 3 homeboys in the car took much more notice of my car. The conversation went something like this...

Dude in passenger seat- "How much horsepower does that thing have?"
Me- "Bout 250"
Him- "Damn! Wanna go?"
Me- "Sure...why not?"

Light goes green, We take off which results in me pulling about 2 bus lengths in 10 seconds or so.

Him again at next light- "Is that thing supercharged?!"
Me- "Heck yeah!"
Him- "Holy shit that's awesome."
Me- "Yeah it puts a smile on my face."

We ran our cars again a couple times from various speeds and gears, all with the same results of the first run.

A couple lights later I pulled up next to them again...
Me- "What is that...210 horsepower?"
They looked around at eachother in confusion for a bit and the passenger says "Yeah, I think so!"
I laughed a bit and said "What year is it?"
Them- "It's a 2000"
Me- "Yeah, 210 is about right then"

After exchanging "nice runs" and "cya arounds" we went our seperate ways. I was actually suprised at how nice the dudes were. They look liked your typical punk 16-18 year old teenage kids, but were really pretty friendly.

I can't wait to get a few mods on this thing so I can go after bigger and better fish like evo's and sti's! Racing these stock sport compacts is like beating up a blind kid in a wheelchair...it's just not fair.

Dude in passenger seat- "How much horsepower does that thing have?"
Me- "Bout 250"


:lol: :rofl: :lol:

That's pretty mean there man joking them like that. Good race though and it's good they weren't real punks about it :thumbsup:

haha, nice runs.

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That's pretty mean there man joking them like that. Good race though and it's good they weren't real punks about it :thumbsup:

Heh...what joke? I was being serious. It's got just under 250 to the crank at around 6800 rpm :P

What do you drive?

2005 Cobalt SS.

thats awesome, but if you had 2 people in ur car and none in theres it woulda been more interesting...or at least you could have seen his headlights when it was over

2005 Cobalt SS.

OH it's a Cobalt SS. I thought you were talking about the '71 Camaro in your profile. My mistake on that one.

The cobalt SS makes 250 crank, really? I thought it has the same engine as the ion redline, which would put it at...shit I don't know, but less than 250

Yeah i thought it was 205hp on those things.Err well maybe 205 at the wheels which would make sense of it having 250 at the flywheel. Man this whole time i thought you were talking about a Supercharged LS1 (SS/SC) lol.

LMAO its not 250 on the crank, 250 at the crank yet ive watched 2 iod redlines running at the track and the best they could do was a 15.1. The SS might be under rated by a bit, but no more than 20HP.

Unless you go a dyno sheet to prove 235WHP, that thing doesnt have 250 HP. If you keep thinking it does and you dont have any mods, id seriously watch you dont start to wonder into burntrice territory.

LMAO its not 250 on the crank, 250 at the crank yet ive watched 2 iod redlines running at the track and the best they could do was a 15.1. The SS might be under rated by a bit, but no more than 20HP.

Unless you go a dyno sheet to prove 235WHP, that thing doesnt have 250 HP. If you keep thinking it does and you dont have any mods, id seriously watch you dont start to wonder into burntrice territory.


I HARDLY think one misinformed post projects him into "burnt rice territory"

Good race and good kill. However, you car doesn't have 250 horsepower, but it rated at around 205 at the crank.

You should have been "cool" and supercharged a Cavalier...THEN you would really have something.

/sarcasm

Rob

:lol:

Go Rob.

I HARDLY think one misinformed post projects him into "burnt rice territory"

Good race and good kill. However, you car doesn't have 250 horsepower, but it rated at around 205 at the crank.

You should have been "cool" and supercharged a Cavalier...THEN you would really have something.

/sarcasm

Rob
:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

I HARDLY think one misinformed post projects him into "burnt rice territory"

Good race and good kill. However, you car doesn't have 250 horsepower, but it rated at around 205 at the crank.

You should have been "cool" and supercharged a Cavalier...THEN you would really have something.

/sarcasm

Rob

whats your problem ass?

those supercharged cobalts are only rated at 205 hp from the factory. is your car modded at all?

those supercharged cobalts are only rated at 205 hp from the factory. is your car modded at all?

Don't you know that Chevy underates all of their cars, and every single car they make has 200 more HP than they say, and is capable of low mid/low 13s?

Nice, race, get some shit done to your car. It doesn't have 250, but it's still capable of walking those V6 Eclipses.

2005 Cobalt's have 205HP and run 14.9. The v6 Eclipse should be around 15.2-15.3. That does not lead to 2 bus lengths in 10 seconds unless they were 400lb passengers...each and the driver sucked ballz.

And aren't the Cobalts basically a supercharged cavelier anyways?

Don't you know that Chevy underates all of their cars, and every single car they make has 200 more HP than they say, and is capable of low mid/low 13s?
:lol2:, that seems to be the case according to many GM owners nowadays.

2005 Cobalt's have 205HP and run 14.9. The v6 Eclipse should be around 15.2-15.3. That does not lead to 2 bus lengths in 10 seconds unless they were 400lb passengers...each and the driver sucked ballz.

And aren't the Cobalts basically a supercharged cavelier anyways?

no the cobalt is based on the delta platform of the ION redline as is basically a ion redline version 2

no the cobalt is based on the delta platform of the ION redline as is basically a ion redline version 2
Ma bad. Either way, I call :bs: on the story unless the original postee can answer some questions and provide some proof.

Unless you go a dyno sheet to prove 235WHP, that thing doesnt have 250 HP. If you keep thinking it does and you dont have any mods, id seriously watch you dont start to wonder into burntrice territory.

Most Redlines/Cobalt SSs dyno anywhere from 215-225 WHP, with a couple with more.

http://www.modernperformance.com/gm/cobalt_dyno_session1.jpg

Not exactly 250 crank HP, but it's up there.


Don't you know that Chevy underates all of their cars, and every single car they make has 200 more HP than they say, and is capable of low mid/low 13s?

Like how BMW makes cars that defy the laws of physics and are fast with only 184 HP?

I'm sick of everyone saying the Cobalt is a warmed-over Cavalier. The Cobalt is on a completely different platform, with a completely different chassis. The Cobalt SS only runs a 14.9? Motor Trend ran it at 14.4, and there are always a few owners who are faster than the magazines. Does it have 250 hp? Doubtful, but I think it has a bit more than 205.

I'm sick of everyone saying the Cobalt is a warmed-over Cavalier. The Cobalt is on a completely different platform, with a completely different chassis. The Cobalt SS only runs a 14.9? Motor Trend ran it at 14.4, and there are always a few owners who are faster than the magazines. Does it have 250 hp? Doubtful, but I think it has a bit more than 205.
Easy buddy, it was a simple question. Whatever it may run in the 1/4 mile, this depends on the driver and we don't know how talented he is, you can't argue that with the SS running 0-60 in 6 and the eclipse running it in 6.7-6.8 that it will give 2 bus lengths in 10 seconds or so from a stop.

Man...I stired up an ant's nest on this one. Chevy has the damn things rated at 205 BHP @ 5800 rpm. The mother fucker pulls max power way passed that. So on a true dyno pull up to the max rpm they are making between 215-225 whp (depending on envirionment conditions). Now factor in powertrain loss and you have just under 250 BHP. My god, bunch of grouchy bastards in here.

I'm also waiting for it to cool down a bit so I can see 12.5 pnds boost like I'm supposed to get, instead of this 10.5-11 pnd crap. Az is too effin hot.
But 10 seems to be good enough to walk most anything on the road that messes with me for now. And no, I'm not saying I can take Vettes, Evo's, Sti's or anything of that nature. I like my car, but I'm not stupid. Besides, this is just my daily driver to have a little fun with and mod up. My fast car is the Camaro.

Furthermore, never compare me to the fucktard burntrice.

Cassie and Jayson also need to stop being such dicks to everyone on this forum as well.
Between the two of you, you guys have a low end bimmer, and a Cavy. Supercharger or not, you two are not exactly on the top of the food chain in this forum or on the streets. Nor am I...which is why I'm not a fucking asshole to everyone around me. That and the fact that i'm just not an asshole.

I need to just start taking my damn Video camera out with me everyday. As well as a passenger to operate the damn thing...

OH it's a Cobalt SS. I thought you were talking about the '71 Camaro in your profile. My mistake on that one.

I'd add the SS/SC to my profile but AF hasnt updated the car selection yet. So I physically cannot add the vehicle yet. :p

The cobalt SS makes 250 crank, really? I thought it has the same engine as the ion redline, which would put it at...shit I don't know, but less than 250
The SS is dynoing higher then the Redline. It dynos about 217 whp stock (Close to the 223 whp of a stock SRT-4, though they develop far less torque). Given a 15% drivetrain loss, i'd say a stock SS is pushing out about 249 flywheel horsepower. Not too bad. Let all the doubters unite, and talk about track times. I see 99+ GT Mustangs run in the 15's at Speedway. Nothing new to me.

I'm running my car this weekend at Firebird Raceway. I'll try to get vid's as along with the timeslips.

Like how BMW makes cars that defy the laws of physics and are fast with only 184 HP?

Not physics defying, just good. Don't get pissed at me because BMW can pull off what Ford needs a SC V8, or Chevy a 5.7L V8 to do.

And Bulldog, I'm hardly being a dick, I'm just saying that according to everyperson who owns a Chevy, be it a car or truck or bicycle, they claim they are all underated and can pull much better times than they can. And until I see one break a 14.5, they are all gonna be over rated high 14 second cars to me. Maybe before bitching at others, you should step off your own horse.

I was never on any horse. And I never said my car was a wild beast capable of running 9's. The only thing I stated was that it had just under 250 to the crank stock and that it's possible for them to get into low 14's. Which has been proven by many other's dyno pulls in stock form as well as 1/4 passes. Then YOU got all upset about it and had to start with the Chevy owner bashing.



Not physics defying, just good. Don't get pissed at me because BMW can pull off what Ford needs a SC V8, or Chevy a 5.7L V8 to do.


Speaking of slow cars. While helping my buddy look for an M3, I had the chance to drive a couple stock E36 M3's. My car makes them look slow in a strait line and doesn't handle too much worse. All for less than half the price too. Yup, chevy really needs a V8 to catch up to BMW :lol:

What sucks is I love BMW, I think they're great cars that blend styling, comfort and performance very nicely. But damn, guys like you make it really hard to like those cars. It's a good thing my buddy isn't such an ass, then I'd just have to hate BMW all together.

Anywho, another perfectly good thread has been ruined. This one may as well be locked.

Not physics defying, just good. Don't get pissed at me because BMW can pull off what Ford needs a SC V8, or Chevy a 5.7L V8 to do.


And as soon as you get one of those BMWs, don't try to make fun of people with cars that are actually somewhat quick. And no, your 16 second slowmobile doesn't count.

...And no, your 16 second slowmobile doesn't count.

:rofl: :lol: :grinyes:

I'm gonna have to remember that one.

I love how everyone assumes that my car runs 16s for some reason? Meh, only shows how uneducated people can be.

Oh, assuming that they are underated...

LS1-
V8, 5.7L, 325ish HP, NA, best I've ever seen one run bone stock(edit=speaking of F Body LS1) is 13.3

S54B32-
I6, 333HP, NA, best I've ever seen one run bone stock is a 12.9

So yeah, Chevy does need an oversized V8 to be hable to "hang" with a BMW. At least its not a Ford that needs a superchardged V8.

And it would be nice if youcould show me one time when I make fun of someone who owns a slow car. I don't make fun of anyone based on thier car, I just simply point out the obvious. Unlike you, I know I don't own a fast car. However, unlike you, I dont think that my car is fast. Once again, I think its pretty piss poor if, with modern technology, Chevy can supercharge a car, but can barely break mid 14s with it. Good luck with those minor bolt ons that'll get you running with Evos and STis.

I love how everyone assumes that my car runs 16s for some reason? Meh, only shows how uneducated people can be.

Oh, assuming that they are underated...

LS1-
V8, 5.7L, 325ish HP, NA, best I've ever seen one run bone stock is 13.3

S54B32-
I6, 333HP, NA, best I've ever seen one run bone stock is a 12.9

So yeah, Chevy does need an oversized V8 to be hable to "hang" with a BMW. At least its not a Ford that needs a superchardged V8.

And it would be nice if youcould show me one time when I make fun of someone who owns a slow car. I don't make fun of anyone based on thier car, I just simply point out the obvious. Unlike you, I know I don't own a fast car. However, unlike you, I dont think that my car is fast. Once again, I think its pretty piss poor if, with modern technology, Chevy can supercharge a car, but can barely break mid 14s with it. Good luck with those minor bolt ons that'll get you running with Evos and STis.

Why do you keep trying to bring up the LS1? The car in question has a LSJ. Regardless, the LS1 isn't even used by GM anymore. Displacement means crap too, a 400HP car is a 400HP car no matter how it gets it (supercharged/turbo/NA). And how does your car not run 16s? Everything I can find on the base model BMWs are that they run 16.2. And the only mod that I know of that you have is a CAI, which btw usually means a LOSS of HP on a N/A car. Oh, and BMWs need to cost twice as much to "beat" a LS1 if you want to continue this stupid line of discussion.

You didn't make fun of the original poster's car, but you tried to make a backhanded stab at everyone that has a Chevy/GM car. That's like me saying that everyone that owns a BMW thinks they are high society and better than everyone else. Which is not true. What DOES your car run then, obviously you know how fast it is. Tell us so we can laugh.

Since when is the 1/4 mile time all that mattered? Not everyone who decides to mod their car lives at the dragway. Some people actually enjoy confort, looks and all that other stuff cars have to offer.
Either the first postee has a bad judgment of what 2 bus lengths are and what 10 seconds is or he was bullshitting everyone. I don't doubt the eclipse got beat, I just have an issue with people makig the win seem so huge when it wasn't.

Since when is the 1/4 mile time all that mattered? Not everyone who decides to mod their car lives at the dragway. Some people actually enjoy confort, looks and all that other stuff cars have to offer.
Either the first postee has a bad judgment of what 2 bus lengths are and what 10 seconds is or he was bullshitting everyone. I don't doubt the eclipse got beat, I just have an issue with people makig the win seem so huge when it wasn't.

Because this is the streetracing forum? And 1/4 mile times can say alot about how a car will run on the street. I agree that the OP is probably exaggerating on how fast he pulled 2 bus lengths, but I don't doubt that he could have, considering that they had 3 people in the eclipse.

Never ran my car at a 1/4 mile track. Nearest one is in Houston, so if you want, I can give you my PayPal addy, so you can send me enough money to drive there, run the car, and drive back. I think $200 should do nicely. Or you can send me enough money to buy one of those in car tester thingys, becuase I'm not gonna waste my money on it just to appease you. Car and Driver tested the E46 325i out to a 15.4. Now, lets do some math. 15 is 1 less than 16. 15.4 is .6 less than 16. So no, my car is not a 16 second car. If it is, then that means every Mustang GT made in the mid 90s that I've raced is a 17-18 second car, and that Elchicos GTS, which he has tested to be a 15.1, is in reality, based on by how much he beat me, more like a 15.6-15.7.

And the reason BMWs cost twice as much is because we live in a market economy that decides to protect companies that make substandard products only becuase they are located in the US. That and becusae the UAW, which has ruined the Domestic Automotive Manufacturing Industry demands that they get so called job security. You want job security, then make a better product

Further, I understand we aren't talking about the LS1, I was just using it as a comparitive base speaking about how Chevy needs a 5.7L V8 motor to get the same results BMW can get with a 3.2L I6. And I personaly could care less about the cost anyways, becuase in the long run, the BMW, or any European car for that matter, is a better buy than any current domestic.

This is about to become a flame war becuase you can't get over the fact that just maybe GM isn't the greatest car manufacturer out there, and that there are a number better, so I'm outy.

Because this is the streetracing forum? And 1/4 mile times can say alot about how a car will run on the street. I agree that the OP is probably exaggerating on how fast he pulled 2 bus lengths, but I don't doubt that he could have, considering that they had 3 people in the eclipse.
That is true to the sense that every race on the street is near a 1/4 mile in length which, I don't know about you, isn't always the case.

For less than the price of the M3 you could get the z06 vette which will run mid 12s with its 5.7 liter motor. Is that an excuse for loosing "your car came with a supercharger, its not fair" "your car has more displacement, its not fair" Should every mustang or camaro owner that looses to an STI or something else complain "your car has AWD, its not fair", or "your car has more gears, its not fair" "Your car has more cams, its not fair" "Your car has higher compression, its not fair" Nobody on these forums would accept those excuses. That cobalt costs considerably less than an STI or EVO, only an idiot would expect it to match the performance for the price.

Since when is the 1/4 mile time all that mattered? Not everyone who decides to mod their car lives at the dragway. Some people actually enjoy confort, looks and all that other stuff cars have to offer.
Either the first postee has a bad judgment of what 2 bus lengths are and what 10 seconds is or he was bullshitting everyone. I don't doubt the eclipse got beat, I just have an issue with people makig the win seem so huge when it wasn't.

I was not exaggerating when I said I pulled two bus lengths in 10 seconds. It was in fact fairly easy to put two bus lengths on a car that was very outclassed to begin with as well as having 3 persons total, compaired to my car which just had myself. I never said it was a fair match to begin with, I even stated in my origional post that the other car was loaded with kids. Now is it so hard to believe?

This is about to become a flame war becuase you can't get over the fact that just maybe GM isn't the greatest car manufacturer out there, and that there are a number better, so I'm outy.

YOU are the one that started to try and talk crap about GM, when NOONE else said ANYTHING bad about any other car manufacturer. You just out of the blue starting talking about how GM/Chevy owners say every car is overrated, your the one that started with the trolling. And automotivemag.com is the only place I could find reliable information about a 325i's 1/4 mile time, and they list at at 16.2@87 for a 2003 325i auto. Although 15.4s is slow too so whatever.

Personally, I like my slow Chevy.. :P

I am a bit dissappointed in the weakness of the SS/SC.. I am confused as to why Chevy would bring out a car with less horsepower and torque than its competitor as a new model... the SRT-4. However, there is a 2.4 liter due out with supposedly some serious horsepower upgrades.. I hope that it at least tops an SRT-4.

My next project is a 2 Door Cobalt Coupe... I have seen ecotecs hitting about 750 horsepower, and running very consistantly with next to no broken parts flying everywhere. ;) I was hoping to see if I could get 3-400 HP out of one.. I think it would be a nice sleeper, and I really like the coupe's body style. I wonder why GM thought a S/C was better than a T/C?

YOU are the one that started to try and talk crap about GM, when NOONE else said ANYTHING bad about any other car manufacturer. You just out of the blue starting talking about how GM/Chevy owners say every car is overrated, your the one that started with the trolling. And automotivemag.com is the only place I could find reliable information about a 325i's 1/4 mile time, and they list at at 16.2@87 for a 2003 325i auto. Although 15.4s is slow too so whatever.
not to get into this, but i've noticed that it's very common for F-body owners to spout about how underrated their car supposedly is. i've even heard (unsubstantiated) claims of bone stock Z28's touching into 12's. sure, it's not uncommon for any car enthusiast to overexaggerate thier car's or favorite manufacturer's performance but it does seem more prevalent in those that own GM's, specifically F-bodies and now it seems to be becoming an occurrence with the Cobalt SS/Saturn Redline owners. i'm not trying to say that the engine is or isn't making the claimed power, i'm just trying to say that while cassiesman's comment may have been backhanded, it isn't entirely untrue. i think you took his comment to heart a little too much, it was just a joke.

Personally, I think Nissans are overrated.



;)

Never ran my car at a 1/4 mile track. Nearest one is in Houston, so if you want, I can give you my PayPal addy, so you can send me enough money to drive there, run the car, and drive back. I think $200 should do nicely. Or you can send me enough money to buy one of those in car tester thingys, becuase I'm not gonna waste my money on it just to appease you. Car and Driver tested the E46 325i out to a 15.4. Now, lets do some math. 15 is 1 less than 16. 15.4 is .6 less than 16. So no, my car is not a 16 second car. If it is, then that means every Mustang GT made in the mid 90s that I've raced is a 17-18 second car, and that Elchicos GTS, which he has tested to be a 15.1, is in reality, based on by how much he beat me, more like a 15.6-15.7.

And the reason BMWs cost twice as much is because we live in a market economy that decides to protect companies that make substandard products only becuase they are located in the US. That and becusae the UAW, which has ruined the Domestic Automotive Manufacturing Industry demands that they get so called job security. You want job security, then make a better product

Further, I understand we aren't talking about the LS1, I was just using it as a comparitive base speaking about how Chevy needs a 5.7L V8 motor to get the same results BMW can get with a 3.2L I6. And I personaly could care less about the cost anyways, becuase in the long run, the BMW, or any European car for that matter, is a better buy than any current domestic.

This is about to become a flame war becuase you can't get over the fact that just maybe GM isn't the greatest car manufacturer out there, and that there are a number better, so I'm outy.

Going to the track is fun, dont do it because you're out to prove something, try it once, you'll want to go back.

Most GM cars are tuned down from the factory. They make that much power because GM wanted it at that. That's why you can get some serious power out of the LS1 with just a few bolt ons or and/or a chip upgrade.

No one said GM was the best, but when you take shots at them, proud owners WILL stick up for their car company. Just like you did BMW.

I swear to god all anyone ever does around here is bitch...yeah i've been guilty of it, but not in every fucking thread...

GM is the best... There, I said it.



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GM is the best... There, I said it.



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Heh.

been gone too long

cobalt is a mid 14 second car

2 bus lengths, possible if they sucked horribly, but not likely

skyline's are underated also, they put out more than whats advertised, its not just chevy, other companys have done the same

and please guys lets keep the trash talk down a little

AF seems to thrive on trash talk nowadays dude.
Not much can be done about it unless the mods ban...well, just about everyone.

2 bus lengths, possible if they sucked horribly, but not likely
Thank you. Someone else to point it out. They either did not know how to drive very well or the people in the car were over weight.
I have no doubt in my mind that the Cobalt beat the Eclipse, it's just the part where they make it seem like they blew them out of the water that ticks me off. I guess I saw it as import vs domestic for some strange reason.
Cobalts are nice, I was looking into getting one before I got my 6. The things that drew me away were the shit 3 year warranty, the wing and the service at the dealerships.

My trash talking is not serious.. I have noticed, FAR, too many people take this stuff entirely too seriously... Especially the people without even a serious ride..

[QUOTE=Raz_Kaz] They either did not know how to drive very well or the people in the car were over weight.
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Not trying to be a dick raz...but you just stated what I've said more than once.

I did in fact blow them out of the water though...bad. It was not a fair fight at all, but they wanted to race just to see me go. We ended up on the freeway as well and the outcome was much worse for them there than the 2 bus lengths I pulled on them from a stand still. You guys can argue up and down about how bad I beat them untill you're blue in the face. I'm still going to stand by what I said. I do NOT bs, there's no point.

I'm sorry if I've offended or pissed off anyone in this or other threads. But if people insist on putting myself or my car down as well as call me a liar, I'm not going to take it laying down and will defend myself and my car.

I wish they would put my car down, I am bored.

Oh, let me tell you...it's LOADS of fun. :grinno:

Sure, look at half the people's cars who do most of the smack talking. 14's if they are lucky, for the most part. I just find it amusing.

Not trying to be a dick raz...but you just stated what I've said more than once.
LOL, I've seen worse. Funny, I don't recall you mentionning anything other then the extra passengers. I had mentionned the drivers skills and weight numerous times. Anyways this isn't about who said what first. I forgot to mention...nice kill. You might want to reconsider the sig, soon you'll have no more room to fit them all in there.

LOL, I've seen worse. Funny, I don't recall you mentionning anything other then the extra passengers. I had mentionned the drivers skills and weight numerous times. Anyways this isn't about who said what first. I forgot to mention...nice kill. You might want to reconsider the sig, soon you'll have no more room to fit them all in there.


{However, the 3 homeboys in the car took much more notice of my car...}

^That was taken right out of the first paragraph of the origional post. :smile:


As far as the sig goes, I'm hoping to run out of room sooner or later, heh. :sunglasse

Thanks for the congrats tho man, I apprectiate it.

14's are quick for the street...considering the everyday average car is a mid 15-low 16 sec. car.