SS/SC Vs. V6 Eclipse

I love how everyone assumes that my car runs 16s for some reason? Meh, only shows how uneducated people can be.

Oh, assuming that they are underated...

LS1-
V8, 5.7L, 325ish HP, NA, best I've ever seen one run bone stock(edit=speaking of F Body LS1) is 13.3

S54B32-
I6, 333HP, NA, best I've ever seen one run bone stock is a 12.9

So yeah, Chevy does need an oversized V8 to be hable to "hang" with a BMW. At least its not a Ford that needs a superchardged V8.

And it would be nice if youcould show me one time when I make fun of someone who owns a slow car. I don't make fun of anyone based on thier car, I just simply point out the obvious. Unlike you, I know I don't own a fast car. However, unlike you, I dont think that my car is fast. Once again, I think its pretty piss poor if, with modern technology, Chevy can supercharge a car, but can barely break mid 14s with it. Good luck with those minor bolt ons that'll get you running with Evos and STis.
Well you need to read Fast Fords and Mustangs Monthly, cause Emit Smith ran an SS Camaro to a 12.89 sec. 1/4 mile in one (Yes that's right, A FORD MAGAZINE). Dunno how great a M3 is, cause most people think they're too special to race them on the likes of a $20K car. I know i'd smoke one, but heh, it's all conjecture at this point.

dude im not ripping on your car or being an ass, im just telling the truth.

Ive seen 2 Saturn Ion Redlines running at the drag strip, neither one of them could get into the 14's. ANd for those of you who dont know, the saturn ion redline is the same car/engine as the cobalt SS S/C. The best they could do was very low 15's. Go to the track and race your car, then you can tell us times. Dont go spouting out times you heard on the internet, cause everyone on the internet runs super fast, its the fucking internet, you dont need to back anything up other than your word.

Jus to tell you, from my real world experience at the track, your car will only run low 15's. I know motortrend ran a 14.4, but they also had a LSD, and comeon, like GM didnt set that car up for them so they could get a better review.

I have also heard off LS1 Camaros doing high 12's in stock form. Never seem it personally, but I've heard it's not uncommon. The new 05 GT stang will do the same.

Elchicos GTS, which he has tested to be a 15.1, is in reality, based on by how much he beat me, more like a 15.6-15.7.

actually its a GT w/ GTS wheels, but i'm faster than a stock GTS fo sho, and Cassie's 15.6 guestimation was with a passenger, i credit him low 15's and if not high 14's w/ his new mods

also 2 buslengths is believable if it was a sporty eclipse, those are mid-high 16's stock not to mention w/ 2 people in the car

I wish they would put my car down, I am bored.

Fine, your car sucks you, oh so big, badass.

also 2 buslengths is believable if it was a sporty eclipse, those are mid-high 16's stock not to mention w/ 2 people in the car

:iagree: Even with my 5spd, going up a hill or with anybody else riding with me the car feels way slower than it already is. And a sporty would be even slower like you said.



Good Kill

I have also heard off LS1 Camaros doing high 12's in stock form. Never seem it personally, but I've heard it's not uncommon. The new 05 GT stang will do the same.


A 05 gt will run high 12s stock?

[quote]ANd for those of you who dont know, the saturn ion redline is the same car/engine as the cobalt SS S/C. The best they could do was very low 15's. Go to the track and race your car, then you can tell us times. Dont go spouting out times you heard on the internet, cause everyone on the internet runs super fast, its the fucking internet, you dont need to back anything up other than your word.[quote]
Dang Jayson, way to bash the ecotec. I don't doubt 14 sec. time slips. I'm sure there's a dude at E Town getting those times. It has to happen at such and such track, at such and such time, but it is possible. Oh, and btw, in case you don't know, go ask those Saturn Ion Redline guys what their cars are dynoing versus the Cobalt SS. It may be the same car, but the engine is tweaked a little. They're dynoing over 10whp higher. I'm sure the car will run 14's, just not in Arizona's weather. I'm shooting for him hitting low 15's in 100+ fahrenheit weather.

We'll just have to wait an see. Planning on this friday. I'll get the slip and hopfully a vid.

sweet i cant wait, id love to actually see one of those run 14's, would make me feel alot better about GM. I dont doubt that they can run a 14 with a pretty good driver, im just saying, me personally, ive never seen it done. Granit i have not seen alot of them running, but both of them ran the same time.

A lot of the guys on the www.Cobaltss.net are posting timeslips in the low 15's to mid 14's. Most if not all are having serious traction issues on the launch. Which I could imagine cause they are trying to rev it and dump the clutch, which is a no-no in this car. So, if anyone is interested in looking at some actual timeslips then head on over to the cobalt forums and go to the drag race section.

^ i checked it out. the people who claim to hit mid-low 14's don't even have timeslips, the only slips i've seen there are for a 15.1, 15.5 and one 14.9. it's pretty much the same convo that's going on here. a lot of people claim good times and refer to magazines that have gotten them, but i only see one actual owner posting a time slip better than mid-low 15's.

^ i checked it out. the people who claim to hit mid-low 14's don't even have timeslips, the only slips i've seen there are for a 15.1, 15.5 and one 14.9. it's pretty much the same convo that's going on here. a lot of people claim good times and refer to magazines that have gotten them, but i only see one actual owner posting a time slip better than mid-low 15's.



On the internet it runs mid to low 14's, in real life it runs mid to low 15's.

Fine, your car sucks you, oh so big, badass.
Awww how cute! :) Whats yours run anyways.. Finally someone with a car that might actually be able to run talking smack. ;) I really hope you aren't too serious though.. I don't take myself serious, let alone some internet forum.

A 05 gt will run high 12s stock?
Neither of those cars run a 12 stock. I would say in a quartermile they will run close times (advantage maybe to the LS1) but I would give about a 13.5 to both of them stock since thats about the best I have seen from either of them stock(no mods at all).

Geez, how big are the buses where some of you live? Cause around here a city bus is about two car lengths, so that's about four carlengths. Four car lengths could be the two extra passengers alone, not to mention the fact that his car is faster than a V6 Eclipse. Besides which, I can never tell what the distance is between me and another car, especially if it's a car I'm beating, cause my attention is on the road ahead of me. I'll take a quick glance at where they are before I shut down, but that is in no way a definitive measurement. He beat a V6 Eclipse with two passengers and beat it pretty bad, GOOD KILL!!! Quit sweating the small shit.

On the internet it runs mid to low 14's, in real life it runs mid to low 15's.

jayson you gotta stop going off your personall experiences

i have never seen a srt-4 do low 14's in my life at the track yet

does that mean they cant do it?

ive seen C5 corvettes run 14 flat, does that mean they do that?

because in the same day, a guy ran like a 13.2 in a base C5

what elevation is your track at? what was the temperature and how well of a driver was it?

do you think tranam ram air run 14's. they dont, they run low 13,s to high 12's

but mr lous runs his at 14's, because of elevation

just because you seen something at your track, doesnt mean thats what happens all over man

and fwd is a son of a gun to launch, which is what plays the biggest part in its time's

Good point, I've seen SRT-4's run 13's stock, with my own eyes, can they all do it, no, but they all have the potential under the right conditions with the right driver. I've also seen an '03 Cobra run 14.7, it was against me on an 11.8 run, guess he got nervous after my John Force style burnout :rofl: But I think we all know that '03/'04 Cobras aren't 14 sec cars. You can't say that any car will run a certain time, especially on the street, there are too many other factors involved.

But I think we all know that '03/'04 Cobras aren't 14 sec cars. You can't say that any car will run a certain time, especially on the street, there are too many other factors involved.

Been trying to explain this to these kids in my other thread, but I guess every base C5 vette runs low 13s and traps 109.

Been trying to explain this to these kids in my other thread, but I guess every base C5 vette runs low 13s and traps 109.
Nah, my coworker's '03 C5 only traps 107 :rofl: He's cutting 13.2's with 1.9 short times on the stock run-flats, and that was in the heat. I got him hooked on the track, so now he's looking for a high mileage C5 to tear apart and build up, full heads/cam package and maybe a blower eventually :biggrin:

yeah i know there are better drivers and better tracks, my track is pretty good though, nearly sea level. Like i said i hope he does run a 14 second 1/4 mile i really do, i just dont think he will. But i got my fingers crossed.

Most people on the internet BS their asses off about the times that their cars run. I catch shit at another site all the time for my driving ability, but I don't see everyone on the board posting the times for their cars. It's really bad on LS1.com, as it seems like everybody and their mother can hit a 2.0 sec. 60' on street tires at any track.

I'd be happy with a 2.2-2.3 60' in this thing. :icon16:

Wow, it took me days to read this thread...a lot of pissed off people in this one...basically, our whole message board is based on the honor system...we aren't ED TV so we don't have a 24 hour video camera to catch every single race we incour, so we just have to take eachothers word for it unless there is more than a reasonable doubt why it is bullshit.

our whole message board is based on the honor system...so we just have to take eachothers word for it unless there is more than a reasonable doubt why it is bullshit.

I second that motion...

Wow, it took me days to read this thread...a lot of pissed off people in this one...basically, our whole message board is based on the honor system...we aren't ED TV so we don't have a 24 hour video camera to catch every single race we incour, so we just have to take eachothers word for it unless there is more than a reasonable doubt why it is bullshit.


I've been fending them off with a stick as best as I can for the last couple days! Although, there seems to be quite a few that have come to my aid. To those of you that have done so...I thank you.

I agree with the honor system as well. There is no need to go raising the BS flag at everyone else's posts unless that person has a past history of flakey, BS stories. We are supposed to be a community of like-minded persons. We should be advancing eachother by offering helpfull information and friendly critisism. Not bitching about every little detail of a story that doesnt quite add up in our minds. The fact is, we arent there, so unless the story is just so totally unbelievable that it just couldn't have happend, then we should be giving people the benefit of the doubt. Instead of jumping on the BS bandwagon, just as racer_00 has stated.


Just my :2cents: is all...

I've noticed people are very :bs:flag-happy on these forums.

Hilarity does always ensue though:grinno:

It's been a very...entertaining couple of days on the forums. I wasnt sure how the new car would be greeted, but I definetly did not expect this.

I wonder what will happen when the true SS is finished...


Hilarity does always ensue though
Me thinks you read a little too much Fark :grinyes:

All the shit talking was actually quite enjoyable and funny. Better than a post about a kill, and then 20 or so posts after it pretty much all saying “nice kill.” Dontchathink?

By the way, when are you going to take the SS to the track?

I've noticed people are very :bs:flag-happy on these forums.

Hilarity does always ensue though:grinno:

BS!!!!! just :bs:ing with you :biggrin: anyways i believe in bulldog's point about the SS being almost 250hp. however i feel kinda iffy about 2 bus lenghts in 10 seconds kinda thing. unless the car was filled with really really really fat kids.

The SS will hit the 1320 at Firebird raceway during this friday night's test n' tune. We'll see what she's got in the wonderfull Az heat. I'll be iceing my blower while sitting in the staging lanes and pushing my car for sure. Heh.

All the shit talking was actually quite enjoyable and funny. Better than a post about a kill, and then 20 or so posts after it pretty much all saying “nice kill.” Dontchathink?
Yeah, it certainly makes things more interesting. As long as people don't take it too personally, it's all good.

Me thinks you read a little too much Fark :grinyes:
Yeah, cos everytime I finish a book your mum gives me a cookie :grinno::icon16:

My mum?? HAHA, who talks like that?

OHHHH, you're one of those funny people from that strange island...j/k :p

however i feel kinda iffy about 2 bus lenghts in 10 seconds kinda thing. unless the car was filled with really really really fat kids.
I think he mean the short retard bus lengths.

The Cobalt doesn’t make 250 HP at the crank hear is why:

The dyno runs that show 217 HP at the wheels are done in 3th gear. Dyno runs done in 4th gear (closer to a 1 to 1 ratio) show 205 HP at the wheels. Next FWD car don’t have a 15% drivetrain loss that’s the rule of thumb for front engine RWD cars. The rule of thumb for FWD cars is 10%.

I’m a GM guy and I believe the Cobalt is under rated, but it’s not making 250 HP at the crank it’s more like 225 HP. And the fact that the LSD isn’t standard is a rip-off.

About BMWs and physics. The laws of physics make RWD inherently better then FWD that means they launch(and handle) better then FWD cars so they run faster 1/4 mile times then you would think a 184 HP car could, but its still pretty lame for a $30,000+ car.:)