I dont know what to get help me!

what about the roush ford truck??? and the harley trucks thoses are awesome ford trucks

Kenwood Guy, I've read all the posts on this thread for the last few days - but I'm just not sure what your goal is with this thread. You haven't declared or determined for readers what your goals are in a truck. You're all over the map with your questions and statements - without any consistent pattern or stated goal. You've written you have $12,000 - yet you haven't written whether you are willing to have a loan too - or if it is cash only spending limits or what. You wrote you want a used truck 99-02 Chevy/GM or F150 - but you didn't say reular cab, extended cab, or crew cab - didn't say 2wd or 4wd requiremented. You didn't say if you wanted performance, heavy towing, economy, off roading, or styling. You're not a newbie - you've been posting actively for a year. Crying out loud you've posted 944 times - Communicate - don't confuse.

Some ideas:
Extended cab with good comfort and OK styling and economy - consider a 2000 or 2001 F150 with 4.2 6 cylinder, automatic, and towing option installed (to get oil and transmission coolers). Year 2000 and above Ford added enhanced comfort and 4 openable doors standard. The 4.2 is very gutsy for its size and economy and F150's had pleasant paint options and colors as standard choices and styling was OK. Four openable doors is a big thing in my opinion - AND you'll spend less than 12,000 - yet have good durability.

Performance and styling? 2002 Ford Harley. It had the improved engine, excellent performance, eye catching appearance and very comfortable sports car type handling.

Towing and a work truck? Get a Chevy or GMC 5.3 4 x 4.

Off Roading? Chevy's have better ground clearance without "boosting" the truck. Total clearance is what counts. Z71 in my opinion.

I love my new Chevy - if you are willing to get new (and do some loan) - then a 2005 Silverado Performance Package with 6 liter V.H.O. with the employee discount is better than a Titan or Hemi in my opinion and you'll pay less than 25,000 including options.

There is absolutely no substitute for test driving MANY vehicles. If you aren't willing to test drive at least a couple dozen INDIVIDUAL vehicles - then your decision is going to be made by other people instead of you - you'll live with their decisions instead of your own. And warranties? Dodge instituted their lengthened warranties for used vehicles for a reason. Transmission failure frequency between 30K and 70K was significant in MANY of their 1996 thru 2002 vehicle lines.

White Lightening

Comfort and styling are very subjective things, which this exemplifies. I think the "aero" F-150 (I think tha's the '97-'04 body, which includes the 2000-2001) are hideous. I never understood why people seemed to like them so much, and just wrote it off to brand loyalty. Same thing on the '02 Harley. Just more options stuffed into the same body.

Just remember what Ford really stands for:

Ford

Owners

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D**ks

Comfort and styling are very subjective things, which this exemplifies. I think the "aero" F-150 (I think tha's the '97-'04 body, which includes the 2000-2001) are hideous. I never understood why people seemed to like them so much, and just wrote it off to brand loyalty. Same thing on the '02 Harley. Just more options stuffed into the same body.

Blender, its all in the eyes of the beholder. The 1997 Ford styling created NEW customers - it wasn't about brand loyalty. Brand loyalty has been the "hook" Chevy has depended on - and its wasn't smart thinking. I wouldn't have owned a pre-2003 Silverado - and I didn't either. Dodge started it - with "the snout is about" look in 1994. Suddenly Dodge trucks were "the thing" for new buyers. An even bigger winner was the 1997 Ford introduction of the aerodynamic look. The old boxy Fords were a look of the past - and comfort in a truck had a new measuring tool - Ford as a company - got financially healthy because of the aero styling - and the new customers it created. GM was forced (arm twisted" - into making a change in 2003. Its too bad they hadn't done it in 1999 or 2000. If they had - they would not have lost market share to all the competitors. Even worse - even worse - GM had the truck designer IN HOUSE to give them a new killer truck concept and capability - the Titan. But because she was a woman - they wouldn't do it - so she went to Nissan where she was welcomed with open arms and a smart newer CEO.

But it gets still worse. All those GM mini-vans that don't sell could have had a big boost too - the new Nissan Quest of 2004 - yep - you guessed it - styling and design by the same woman designer. And the Armada - came right behind it. GM would be alot more today if they'd listened to their own people and to their own customer market surveys - but they didn't - each time - until its way too late.

Now GM is desperate. You can buy a new vehicle at employee discount pricing PLUS all the incentives. How does that keep GM in business? I love my 2004 Silverado V.H.O. truck - but its THE thing that brought me to Chevy.

An even bigger winner was the 1997 Ford introduction of the aerodynamic look. The old boxy Fords were a look of the past - and comfort in a truck had a new measuring tool - Ford as a company - got financially healthy because of the aero styling - and the new customers it created.

Further proof that my theory is correct - the masses are idiots. Take the Mustang, for example. The only reason the Mustang survived, and the F-body died is because of Ford's sales of base model v6 Mustangs to teenage/early 20's women. They don't care a bit about the performance end; all they know is that when they step on the gas, it goes, so they go talk daddy into getting them one for highschool or college graduation. Styling (something subjective) aside, the Camaro had the Mustang beat in almost every way - performance, comfort, fuel cost, and total price. Anyway, I've always thought Dodge's '94- up trucks were nice looking, but the "aero" style F-150 always looked like someone took the front of a minivan and stuck a bed on it. Bottom line, is it didn't look like a truck. ALL of the other truck manufacturers seem to agree on that point, as nobody else seems to think that kind of styling was/is appropriate. Though, toyota did come close for a little while. Again, back to the Titan. If someone likes it better, that's their opinion, but it has no clear advantages over any other truck out there. I think they look alright, and I think they'd be my #3 pick after a Dodge.

What this all boils down to, however, is personal preference. Do research on the drivetrains, find the one that suits you best. The appearance will be up to your personal opinion.

Further proof that my theory is correct - the masses are idiots. Take the Mustang, for example. The only reason the Mustang survived, and the F-body died is because of Ford's sales of base model v6 Mustangs to teenage/early 20's women. They don't care a bit about the performance end; all they know is that when they step on the gas, it goes, so they go talk daddy into getting them one for highschool or college graduation. Styling (something subjective) aside, the Camaro had the Mustang beat in almost every way - performance, comfort, fuel cost, and total price. Anyway, I've always thought Dodge's '94- up trucks were nice looking, but the "aero" style F-150 always looked like someone took the front of a minivan and stuck a bed on it. Bottom line, is it didn't look like a truck. ALL of the other truck manufacturers seem to agree on that point, as nobody else seems to think that kind of styling was/is appropriate. Though, toyota did come close for a little while. Again, back to the Titan. If someone likes it better, that's their opinion, but it has no clear advantages over any other truck out there. I think they look alright, and I think they'd be my #3 pick after a Dodge.

What this all boils down to, however, is personal preference. Do research on the drivetrains, find the one that suits you best. The appearance will be up to your personal opinion.


Blender, I don't think you are listening - either to me - or to what the buyer's markets have told you. It isn't just appearance - its much more than that. Lets take as an example the Chevy 1500 Extended cab between 2002 and 2004. The "styling" changes you talk about with F150's - are the aero styling changes and differences between the Chevy 2002 and 2003. Chevy made the look more aero - because they made the truck more aerodynamically focused - quieter ride - less wind resistance - more sleek shaping. They altered the accelerator/throttle control in 2003 a la Ford's 1997- 2003 too. They altered the 3 door extended cab to be a 4 door extended cab too - except it took Chevy almost four years to do it AFTER Ford had done it. They came up with the Limited Appearance Packages and Silverado Performance packages too - except 4 years after the Lightenings and 4 years after the Harley.

The idea the F150's "didn't even look like a truck" - isn't logical and isn't supported by the buying public. Your definition of what a truck should look like - I guess my 2004 Silverado "doesn't look like a truck " either then. Its that exact mentality that has kept Chevy from maintaining its market share. Its that exact mentality and resistance to change - that has seen Toyota and Nissan taking drivers out of Chevy products and putting them into their own. You want to blame the buyers - that is illogical. Ford Mustang's target market is 22 to 35 year old males - Ford out marketed, out promoted, and outpriced the Firebird and Camaro. How many state patrols use Mustangs versus firebird and camaros? Convertibles are a hot market - what product does GM offer besides the SAAB convertible? Was it buyers faults that GM last summer created the "fools marketing theory" that will be in college textbooks for years? Test drive any of our vehicles for up to 30 days - free - then if you buy some other product within 30 days after - we'll give you $250.00. Ford, Nissan, Toyota, Dodge/Chrysler buyers were all test driving GM products and using the $250 as part of the downpayments.

I love my specific 2004 Silverado - best truck I've had - but I would never have even considered buying a 2002 standard Chevy - or test driving a standard 2004 Silverado. And had it been up to Chevy - I would never have even known my specific model existed. Buyers want a truck as a multi-use vehicle - family hauler, utility, work, fun, and transportation. Blame bad managements - not the prospects and customers for not understanding that. I know owners of Chevy dealerships - I know what they are going thru. They've been spending big bucks - trying to compensate for what the manufucturer is doing to them and the customer with their "resistance" to change and "late to the party" timing.

In my opinion - Chevy/GM took superior truck engine and component design in 1993 or 1994 and sat on it for 10 years. That isn't the buyers fault. Why is it you hear about the Hemi 5.7 but not about the Vortec 6.0 H.O.? One company markets - and one company doesn't - even though the Vortec 6.0 H.O. is a superior product. Guess what - if it doesn't get sold - it doesn't matter.

No, obviously you did not read what I wrote. The '97-04 F-150's cab looked likte the front of a minivan. I hate that. A minivan does not look like a truck to me. Even Ford corrected this with their newest design, which i feel is a step in the right direction. I am not talking about all the trim packages, like the LAP on the chevy or the Harley on the Ford (which "Harley" on a "Ford" makes NO sense to me, but that is beside the point) Next time you go out, see how many V6 mustangs you see compared to V8 mustangs, then see who is driving them. You'll probably find most or all of the V8's have guys at the wheel, and the V6's have women, and that there are more v6's. That (the massive amount of young women drivers), IMO, is what has kept the mustang alive. And as far as marketing, I can honestly say that I haven't seen or heard much marketing for either the camaro or the mustang.

And honestly, i think doing away with the trottle cable was a mistake...

I love my specific 2004 Silverado - but I would never have even considered buying a 2002 standard Chevy - or test driving a standard 2004 Silverado.

And frankly, you just insulted pretty much everyone here with that comment.

Further proof that my theory is correct - the masses are idiots. Take the Mustang, for example. The only reason the Mustang survived, and the F-body died is because of Ford's sales of base model v6 Mustangs to teenage/early 20's women. They don't care a bit about the performance end; all they know is that when they step on the gas, it goes, so they go talk daddy into getting them one for highschool or college graduation. Styling (something subjective) aside, the Camaro had the Mustang beat in almost every way - performance, comfort, fuel cost, and total price. Anyway, I've always thought Dodge's '94- up trucks were nice looking, but the "aero" style F-150 always looked like someone took the front of a minivan and stuck a bed on it. Bottom line, is it didn't look like a truck. ALL of the other truck manufacturers seem to agree on that point, as nobody else seems to think that kind of styling was/is appropriate. Though, toyota did come close for a little while. Again, back to the Titan. If someone likes it better, that's their opinion, but it has no clear advantages over any other truck out there. I think they look alright, and I think they'd be my #3 pick after a Dodge.

What this all boils down to, however, is personal preference. Do research on the drivetrains, find the one that suits you best. The appearance will be up to your personal opinion.

Oh thank you exhalted one for blessing us with your pearls of wisdom ;)

No, obviously you did not read what I wrote. The '97-04 F-150's cab looked likte the front of a minivan. I hate that. A minivan does not look like a truck to me. Even Ford corrected this with their newest design, which i feel is a step in the right direction. I am not talking about all the trim packages, like the LAP on the chevy or the Harley on the Ford (which "Harley" on a "Ford" makes NO sense to me, but that is beside the point) Next time you go out, see how many V6 mustangs you see compared to V8 mustangs, then see who is driving them. You'll probably find most or all of the V8's have guys at the wheel, and the V6's have women, and that there are more v6's. That (the massive amount of young women drivers), IMO, is what has kept the mustang alive. And as far as marketing, I can honestly say that I haven't seen or heard much marketing for either the camaro or the mustang.

I personally know of 5 Mustangs newer than year 2000. All are convertibles. 4 are V6 and one is the GT. None are owned by women - all are owned by 30 year old drivers (or older).

And the fact you think the F150 looks like the front of a minivan doesn't mean that "opinion" of yours is agreed by other people. If you read the magazine reviews of the Ford F150 in 97 thru 2003 compared to the Chevy - you'll see what I mean. And Ford changed stylings again in 2004 - because thats the whole concept - improvements and change for the buyer. People don't want their furniture in the same spot for 20 years - they move it or buy new - people like and desire change. Guess what - I like the ride comfort of the F150 "classic" styling versus the new styling. Its smoother, softer, better handling. If I wanted a truck just for hauling - the new F150 is better - but I only haul 3 times a week - but I drive 7 days a week.

I personally know of 5 Mustangs newer than year 2000. All are convertibles. 4 are V6 and one is the GT. None are owned by women - all are owned by 30 year old drivers (or older).

And the fact you think the F150 looks like the front of a minivan doesn't mean that "opinion" of yours is agreed by other people. If you read the magazine reviews of the Ford F150 in 97 thru 2003 compared to the Chevy - you'll see what I mean. And Ford changed stylings again in 2004 - because thats the whole concept - improvements and change for the buyer. People don't want their furniture in the same spot for 20 years - they move it or buy new - people like and desire change. Guess what - I like the ride comfort of the F150 "classic" styling versus the new styling. Its smoother, softer, better handling. If I wanted a truck just for hauling - the new F150 is better - but I only haul 3 times a week - but I drive 7 days a week.

Dude, do you read ANYTHING? I said, " I hate that. A minivan does not look like a truck to me." To ME, MY OPINION. I do not like it. I think it looks bad. I don't think that's what a truck should look like. I think the other trucks all looked better. "I" statements, indicating it is my opinion. I don't know how much clearer i can make it.

Oh thank you exhalted one for blessing us with your pearls of wisdom ;)

WTF? Shut up.

And frankly, you just insulted pretty much everyone here with that comment.

Well Blender - I've never hid the fact that I was a long time "Ford and foreign" owner. You see - you keep missing the whole point. The job of GM is to attract new buyers - not just existing owners. Until you get this - you don't get it. GM's job is to get people who would not have ever considered owning or test driving their prior vehicles - and converting them to GM. For GM to succeed - then you're going to need to be "insulted" alot. You take everything so personally - as if your opinion - is THE opinion. It isn't. I don't care what name is on my vehicles - as long as the vehicle itself solves all my problems and answers all my needs. I test drove dozens of vehicles - because an open mind and actual testing give you a real life knowledge that brochures and "brand loyalty" don't give you. If you are "insulted" because I would never have considered buying or testing a prior Silverado - just shows how much you want to make this a "loyalty" thing. Why would I have been loyal to a manfuacturer I had never previously owned? Its illogical. My statement - don't blame me - blame GM management - its there responsibility.

The whole point of my name - White Lightening - is White Enlightening - trying to enlighten readers here and at major vehicle magazines - to a couple of wonderful vehicles Chevy/GM have not promoted.

BlenderWizard. You posted:
"Further proof that my theory is correct - the masses are idiots. Take the Mustang, for example. The only reason the Mustang survived, and the F-body died is because of Ford's sales of base model v6 Mustangs to teenage/early 20's women. They don't care a bit about the performance end; all they know is that when they step on the gas, it goes, so they go talk daddy into getting them one for highschool or college graduation."

Now I would interpret that as genuinely and substantially insulting. There are no "I"s in that statement - no "me"s. They are direct statements to how people are all idiots except people who think just like you. You managed to insult Ford Mustang owners, women, "the masses", and fathers all in one swing. According to that statement - everybody is just helpless little emotional dolls unless they think your way. Where are th "I"s and the "me"s you said you referenced?

Kenwood Guy, I've read all the posts on this thread for the last few days - but I'm just not sure what your goal is with this thread. You haven't declared or determined for readers what your goals are in a truck. You're all over the map with your questions and statements - without any consistent pattern or stated goal. You've written you have $12,000 - yet you haven't written whether you are willing to have a loan too - or if it is cash only spending limits or what. You wrote you want a used truck 99-02 Chevy/GM or F150 - but you didn't say reular cab, extended cab, or crew cab - didn't say 2wd or 4wd requiremented. You didn't say if you wanted performance, heavy towing, economy, off roading, or styling. You're not a newbie - you've been posting actively for a year. Crying out loud you've posted 944 times - Communicate - don't confuse.

Some ideas:
Extended cab with good comfort and OK styling and economy - consider a 2000 or 2001 F150 with 4.2 6 cylinder, automatic, and towing option installed (to get oil and transmission coolers). Year 2000 and above Ford added enhanced comfort and 4 openable doors standard. The 4.2 is very gutsy for its size and economy and F150's had pleasant paint options and colors as standard choices and styling was OK. Four openable doors is a big thing in my opinion - AND you'll spend less than 12,000 - yet have good durability.

Performance and styling? 2002 Ford Harley. It had the improved engine, excellent performance, eye catching appearance and very comfortable sports car type handling.

Towing and a work truck? Get a Chevy or GMC 5.3 4 x 4.

Off Roading? Chevy's have better ground clearance without "boosting" the truck. Total clearance is what counts. Z71 in my opinion.

I love my new Chevy - if you are willing to get new (and do some loan) - then a 2005 Silverado Performance Package with 6 liter V.H.O. with the employee discount is better than a Titan or Hemi in my opinion and you'll pay less than 25,000 including options.

There is absolutely no substitute for test driving MANY vehicles. If you aren't willing to test drive at least a couple dozen INDIVIDUAL vehicles - then your decision is going to be made by other people instead of you - you'll live with their decisions instead of your own. And warranties? Dodge instituted their lengthened warranties for used vehicles for a reason. Transmission failure frequency between 30K and 70K was significant in MANY of their 1996 thru 2002 vehicle lines.

White Lightening




here is my story at first I wanted a little car ford focus hondo 240sx you know all the boy racer stuff soon after I took a 1 year class in appliance repair and decided I need a truck (to do sales and services)!!! at first I wanted a small truck but then I changed my mind as I was able to get a better job at a food processing plant now I can afford a full size truck the only question is which one????? I like gm the gm twins or brothers or cousins but I would have to say as far as a fresh style for the right price dodge is the lead but according to the silverado forum the the match between aftermarket and engine preformence goes to gm no matter what year for the price of a 00 01 or 02 gm truck I could get a dodge truck 02 and up with less miles and four full doors gm does not have a truck like that for that price range I have seen it and if so it would have well over 100k my point is that...... well your right I am confused I just hope I dont get a lemon no matter what truck I get

BlenderWizard. You posted:
"Further proof that my theory is correct - the masses are idiots. Take the Mustang, for example. The only reason the Mustang survived, and the F-body died is because of Ford's sales of base model v6 Mustangs to teenage/early 20's women. They don't care a bit about the performance end; all they know is that when they step on the gas, it goes, so they go talk daddy into getting them one for highschool or college graduation."

Now I would interpret that as genuinely and substantially insulting. There are no "I"s in that statement - no "me"s. They are direct statements to how people are all idiots except people who think just like you. You managed to insult Ford Mustang owners, women, "the masses", and fathers all in one swing. According to that statement - everybody is just helpless little emotional dolls unless they think your way. Where are th "I"s and the "me"s you said you referenced?

No, you hit the nail on the head there. I never once tried to defend that statement, argue it, or backtrack on it. My opinion (or theory, which I believe to be true) is that most people are sheep. I did, however, not intend that to be an insult to the fathers for getting their daughters what they want. I would say, in my location, about 70-80% of non-v8 (including the old 4 bangers) mustang owners/drivers are women. Again, I stand behind everything I said. In the previous post I was pointing out those other statements that you were referring to were clearly opinion based.

No, you hit the nail on the head there. I never once tried to defend that statement, argue it, or backtrack on it. My opinion (or theory, which I believe to be true) is that most people are sheep. I did, however, not intend that to be an insult to the fathers for getting their daughters what they want. I would say, in my location, about 70-80% of non-v8 (including the old 4 bangers) mustang owners/drivers are women. Again, I stand behind everything I said. In the previous post I was pointing out those other statements that you were referring to were clearly opinion based.

Here's a couple articles for your reference.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/artman/publish/Ford_Scores_Winner_with_2005_Mustang.shtml

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=9028

Pay special attention to this one
http://www.automotive.com/2005/12/ford/mustang/reviews/

White Lightening

Here's a couple articles for your reference.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/artman/publish/Ford_Scores_Winner_with_2005_Mustang.shtml

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=9028

Pay special attention to this one
http://www.automotive.com/2005/12/ford/mustang/reviews/

White Lightening

I read the articles, and I'm really not sure what you were getting at with them. I am, however, tired of arguing with you, and not going to argue with you over this anymore.

WTF? Shut up.
Come get some Nancy....

So, after all of these "Pro GM" posts of yours, we are left with 1, yes 1 solid fact.

BlenderWizard will be the last GM customer on this planet. He will single-handedly save General Motors. And, we are all idiots.

Clean the potatoes out of your ears and listen up..Every brand of truck has it's advantages and disadvantages. Yes, I own an '03 Silverado and I love it, but I also own a Ford Bronco and an '04 Cummins Ram 3500. Each of them have their own quirks and each of them shine in some way or another. I have the feeling if you owned a Dodge, it would be a truck that would outpull, outperform, outmod, outmileage, and just plain outdo anything out there too. Go drive something else, get outside of your GM box. JMHO. ;)

Moose once again you show your lack of etticate. The disagreement is over, that would be disagreement not arguement. You sound like a child butting in where you are not needed and taunting someone because your fingers don't have the inteligence to shut up. You stated your opinioin, that is where you need to stop. Show you can be grown up by staying out of someone elses disagrement.

STAY OUT OF BLENDERWIZARD's and WHITE LIGHT LIGHTENING's DISAGREEMENT!

That's even better than "Tag your the retarded one!"

http://tinypic.com/5wjhh3

Take your own advice. Does this mean your the winner or the loser??

And yes, this did concern me. Telling someone to "shut up" when making a point deserves a backlash. I have no problems with anyone here. Drive what you like and get on with your life!

Moose once again you show your lack of etticate. The disagreement is over, that would be disagreement not arguement. You sound like a child butting in where you are not needed and taunting someone because your fingers don't have the inteligence to shut up. You stated your opinioin, that is where you need to stop. Show you can be grown up by staying out of someone elses disagrement.

STAY OUT OF BLENDERWIZARD's and WHITE LIGHT LIGHTENING's DISAGREEMENT!

Sorry, but "once again"? Not sure. Didn't realize you could post your .02 and not me. Take it easy Dad.

Take your own advice. Does this mean your the winner or the loser??

And yes, this did concern me. Telling someone to "shut up" when making a point deserves a backlash. I have no problems with anyone here. Drive what you like and get on with your life!

My point was that there is no point in arguing. And when someone makes asshole comments (you made no point with this) like:

Oh thank you exhalted one for blessing us with your pearls of wisdom ;)

I'm going to tell them to shut up. White and I were having a discussion or argument or whatever you want to call it without insult or sarcasm, and when a 3rd party butts in with crap like that, I'm going to say something. Seems I'm not the only one who thinks this way, either. Check out jethro's post if you don't believe me. Now, I admit, I did get a little irritated, and to White Lightening, I apologize, but we did remain civil.

Hey Moose, thanks for the compliment. Being a father is cool. I think someone needs to get the moderators involved, Jr here is under age if I am as old as he thinks. By the way Jr., you are exactly the reason I moved out of your neck of that state. Small town minds bread small town intelligence. Don't let your tongue get yourself where you can't get out of.

"Stupid is as Stupid does." Apply it where necisary....

Now for the rest of us, kumbya anyone?????

Okay, Okay, point taken. I'll shut up. Thanks for the humbling.
Moose.

The 4.7L in the Dodge gets crappy gas mileage, per my neighbor. I'm sure the Hemi is nice and all, but could you afford to keep the tank full in that one too?

Yeah, my 6.0 gets fantastic fuel milage. And that 5.3 Tahoe my wife had...who could ask for more than 14 mpg?

LOL

i thought we were talking about ford vs chevy?
my dads surburban has 200k on it and my brothers has 177k and mine has 100k and no problems on any of them if that helps u any

i thought we were talking about ford vs chevy?
my dads surburban has 200k on it and my brothers has 177k and mine has 100k and no problems on any of them if that helps u any

How 'bout those Pistons? Hope they wake up on their home court tonight and slam those Spurs.

Seriously, though...our shop truck is an old F150 and is the most beat up, neglected, and plain UGLY vehicle on the planet and gets absolutely no care, just abuse. I hate driving it but it has 180K on the 300-6 and it never croaks. Ford vs. Chevy? Yamaha vs. Ski Doo? This is getting old.

And again, my dad had an 84 C10 Silverado that he got new. It got over 700,000 miles on it before the engine died. He did replace the tranny 2 or 3 times.

Have you check out chevy prices with the employee discount ? Looks like very good prices.

And again, my dad had an 84 C10 Silverado that he got new. It got over 700,000 miles on it before the engine died. He did replace the tranny 2 or 3 times.

I'm sure there are stories out there like that for all make vehicles. The dairy farm next door to me has a mid-80's Dodge 1 ton dually diesel pickup that went past the 1,000,000 mile mark last summer and the engine and trans are original. I brought home an Air Lift kit for him last year because he hauls antique tractors behind it now, and the trailer pin weight is over 12k. He claims that the biggest problem he's had is spitting pinions out of the rear axle under heavy loads.

I'm waiting for him to break the frame.

Have you check out chevy prices with the employee discount ? Looks like very good prices.

They are pretty good prices. However, I'm no longer kicking myself for buying used. Just for my own knowledge, I priced out the same 2005 Pontiac under the "GM employee pricing" that we priced during "March madness" and it was quite a bit cheaper then than it is now due to the many great rebates that were available in March.

I dunno, there's just something to be said for the durability of those old 305's. My dad now has an '81 C10 Silverado that he drives the hell out of. We dropped in a used 305 7 years ago, and it has had no problems

I HAVE A 90 F150 WIT HTHE 300 6

that thing is like a cock roach
It will never die
I loaded up the back to about 8 inches over the bedside with bricks
had to be 2 maybe 3 tons in it lol

it was riding really low but it did it just fine

the brakes let me know it was too much but the motor trans and rear end didnt care

and this truck is the most ugly abused truck anywhere


after saying that im still going to be buying a silverado
I have a corvette with the ls1 and its a great motor

it seems that the 4l60e / 4l80e are kinda weak transmissions but aside from that i cant see anything wrong with the chevys

my f150 has either 118k 218k or 318k hell who knows but my dads 300 6 went 450k before it burnt 1 valve
we put just 1 valve in without machining and the thing when another 300k before it blew out the original transmission

point is both fordand chevy make a decent truck so it comes down to personal preference which mine happensto be chevy even though i own a ford truck for now

Since you guys were on acronyms for FORD a while back... How about "F*cked Over Rebuilt Dodge".

point is both fordand chevy make a decent truck so it comes down to personal preference which mine happensto be chevy even though i own a ford truck for now

Great point! This was a silly argument especially when you read all of these other posts complaining of the Clunkerados.

Our shop F150 is nearing 200k and is mainly used to haul scrap steel to the recyclers, and even with 5000 pound Air Lifts this thing is way over and looks like a sway backed horse. I hate driving it but have respect for it.

So far I also stick with GM trucks, but years back I was a mechanic at a Ford dealership. Next truck? Who knows?

I HAVE A 90 F150 WIT HTHE 300 6

that thing is like a cock roach
It will never die
I loaded up the back to about 8 inches over the bedside with bricks
had to be 2 maybe 3 tons in it lol

it was riding really low but it did it just fine

the brakes let me know it was too much but the motor trans and rear end didnt care

and this truck is the most ugly abused truck anywhere


after saying that im still going to be buying a silverado
I have a corvette with the ls1 and its a great motor

it seems that the 4l60e / 4l80e are kinda weak transmissions but aside from that i cant see anything wrong with the chevys

my f150 has either 118k 218k or 318k hell who knows but my dads 300 6 went 450k before it burnt 1 valve
we put just 1 valve in without machining and the thing when another 300k before it blew out the original transmission

point is both fordand chevy make a decent truck so it comes down to personal preference which mine happensto be chevy even though i own a ford truck for now

The 4l80e is pretty tough...

thats the trans that the 99 and up silverados have????

thats the trans that the 99 and up silverados have????

The 6.0 HD uses a 4L80E. Not sure ion the SS. The half tons use the 4L60E.

i have first hand knowledge of 4l60
there was one in my camaro and it was slipping at 60k with a 6cyl

i dont have any first hand knowledge of the 4l80 but had heard things from other unknowledgable people
so its very possible the 80 is tough and hte 60 is ample

I believe the SS uses the 4L65E.