V6 Maro Vs Mustang

Well this is going to be a little diffrent than the Mustang Drivers Are Wussies thread. And let me say I did race BUT it wasn't in a city or town, it was on a rural road that might get 5 cars on it a day, no nearby houses.

Today I was driving and ran across a red early 1990's mustang. I dont know the trim but it did have the 4.6L badge, (I thought they only came in 2.3L or 5.0's). Anyway I got stopped next to a red light next to him and on green we both went. I did an absolutly horrible launch spinning through 1st, he got probably 2 cars by 35mph and as we approched 60mph I SLOWLY started to gain. A car was in his lane so we both slowed down down to the speedlimit. Well I wanted to go again so he agreed, so we got stoped at another redlight. Well this was a launch for the record boooks. I dropped the clutch a 2800rpms, proxes 4 chirped slightly (proxes 4's are so sticky, incredible grip) and by the time I shifted into second I pulled a car on him. By 80mph I had 5-6 cars and shut it down. Well after that I pulled into the nearby gas station to talk to the other driver. He gets out of his car and say's "well I guess I didn't get killed to bad by a Z28". I chuckled and said "no I guess you didn't get killed to bad by a V6 Camaro". The look I got made my day, his good old mustang wen't down to a V6 Camaro. We exchanged numbers because his friends wanted a shot at the 6, well see how that goes.

Cliffnotes- 1st race lost to a Stang, 2nd race won by 5-6 car lenghts

Today I was driving and ran across a red early 1990's mustang. I dont know the trim but it did have the 4.6L badge, (I thought they only came in 2.3L or 5.0's).

Was it a Fox body (1990-1993) or was it the newer style (1994-1998)? If it was a Fox body then you were right in it either coming with a 2.3 I4 or a 5.0 V8.

If it was a newer style though it came with either a 3.8 V6, a 5.0 V8 in '94 and '95, or a 4.6 V8 from '96 and up.

I highly doubt that somebody put a 4.6 in an older Mustang but you never know. Anyway, my money is that it was a V6 or I4 with 4.6 and GT badges all over it. If it was a 4.6 though, power to ya.

You smoked a Rustang GT in your 3.4? That is awesome!!! Good kill man...

Was it a Fox body (1990-1993) or was it the newer style (1994-1998)? If it was a Fox body then you were right in it either coming with a 2.3 I4 or a 5.0 V8.

I did a little bit of searching and it was the fox body style, that is just judging by random internet pictures.
You smoked a Rustang GT in your 3.4? That is awesome!!! Good kill man...
Well I am not sure if it was a GT or not but yeah I was pretty suprised by the win, good old 160hp 3.4L engine :evillol:

sweet kill, ViperJ, what mods do you have?

...HELL YEAH

Thats what i'm talking about, brotha!!

yeah sweet kills and i sorta had a run in with a mouse terd last night but it was a ladie (not that women cant drive as good or better but anyway) im goin down the highway bout 65 to 70 and there comes a terd in my rear veiw so i drop it into 3rd and when its next to me(almost passed me ) i floor it and thinking he (or she in this case was getting it) they werent but i slow back down to botu 80 this time shye trys the fly by so i drop it back down botu same point and she tried to keeop uyp impressed but only since it was a ladie but i pulled away quite easily
gotta love them rivals lol

nice comeback, you shoulda told him you were just playing with him the first time ;)

awesome, V6 power

awesome, V6 power

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sweet kill, ViperJ, what mods do you have?
Actually it's what mod do I have, the only performance mod I have right now is high flow cat. The end of May I should have my SLP intake and lightened pullies.

Update- I found out more specs on the car, it does have 4.6 bages but it is a 5.0, the owner said he bought it like that and has never changed them. Its a 92 Mustang LX, auto and convertable, oh well my 6 beat a V8 :evillol:

You know, it really is amazing, its like a kick in the face to Ford and all Mustang lovers because somehow Chevy still owns EM! :)

Actually it's what mod do I have, the only performance mod I have right now is high flow cat. The end of May I should have my SLP intake and lightened pullies.

Update- I found out more specs on the car, it does have 4.6 bages but it is a 5.0, the owner said he bought it like that and has never changed them. Its a 92 Mustang LX, auto and convertable, oh well my 6 beat a V8 :evillol:

Wow, it's been known that many stock 3.8s beat stock 5.0's and I've even heard of 3.8's beating pre-98 GTs, but you gone dunnit with the 3.4... nice kill

Well Im not a fan of the 4.6 however if you truly walked one in a V6, one of two things happend. One it really was not a 4.6 more than likely a v6 with a 4.6 badging in which case I could beat with my wifes malibu.
Or two if it really was a 4.6 you were up against a driver had no clue what he was doing and had no business behind the wheel of anything short of a bigwheel.

V6's suck period. Doesn't matter if its a Camaro or mustang. There not even worth my time racing, so don't flatter yourself to much because you beat one. There plenty of mini van moms that do it all day long.

since you didnt take the time to read the rest of the posts on the page.. he found out it was a 5.0 stang with 4.6 badging. I dont doubt the fact that he beat a 5.0, if he'd said he smoked a 4.6 i'd have been a little skeptical, especially with only having a high flow cat.. however, i only have a few mods on my 3.4 auto and have run a few 5.0 mustangs. I dont go out looking for races.. they seem to usualy come to me when they happen.. and im not ashamed to get smoked if need be (some of you guys pry remember the GTO story.. LOL).

*and as far as dogging v6's.. dont. alright.. not here, not now.. because hypsi87's buick is far from slow, and if you check out camarov6.com, there are a couple guys on that site that are in the 12s in v6 f-body cars (which would kill a 4.6 as they generally run mid to high 14s if my knowledge is correct).. it can be done, and it has been done. so.. suck up your ego, remember there are other people here too, and just let it be.. if he beat a 5.slow.. he beat a 5.slow.. im not gonna argue, because i believe he did.

~KaotiK

Well Im not a fan of the 4.6 however if you truly walked one in a V6, one of two things happend. One it really was not a 4.6 more than likely a v6 with a 4.6 badging in which case I could beat with my wifes malibu.
Or two if it really was a 4.6 you were up against a driver had no clue what he was doing and had no business behind the wheel of anything short of a bigwheel.

V6's suck period. Doesn't matter if its a Camaro or mustang. There not even worth my time racing, so don't flatter yourself to much because you beat one. There plenty of mini van moms that do it all day long.
Well thanks for that insight, I guess I should just go out and buy an SS Camaro since they don't have a v6. Here's an idea for you, before your next post:
1- Read the post so you don't look like an moron in your reply (like I said I later found out it was a 5.0)
2- Some of us aren't 33yrs old and can have such a "nice" car as you, some of us are 17 and bought the car themselves and also have to pay insurance on the car (17yr old+camaro=$$$)
3- As for V6's sucking well thats your opion but I know a few V6 Camaros that would smoke you, I know V'6 suck, lets ask all the slow Twin Turbo Supra's, or maybe the 3000GT (VR4). I bet both of those stock would beat or at least run even with your car.

since you didnt take the time to read the rest of the posts on the page.. he found out it was a 5.0 stang with 4.6 badging. I dont doubt the fact that he beat a 5.0, if he'd said he smoked a 4.6 i'd have been a little skeptical, especially with only having a high flow cat.. however, i only have a few mods on my 3.4 auto and have run a few 5.0 mustangs. I dont go out looking for races.. they seem to usualy come to me when they happen.. and im not ashamed to get smoked if need be (some of you guys pry remember the GTO story.. LOL).

*and as far as dogging v6's.. dont. alright.. not here, not now.. because hypsi87's buick is far from slow, and if you check out camarov6.com, there are a couple guys on that site that are in the 12s in v6 f-body cars (which would kill a 4.6 as they generally run mid to high 14s if my knowledge is correct).. it can be done, and it has been done. so.. suck up your ego, remember there are other people here too, and just let it be.. if he beat a 5.slow.. he beat a 5.slow.. im not gonna argue, because i believe he did.
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Well what more is there to say KaotiKCamaro5 pretty much sumed it up

I could care less about this thread read it yesterday and thought what Im gonna say now but let it slide.

It sounds like you beat a 4-banger mustang. I seriously doubt a fox-body Mustang guy wit a 5.0 is gonna throw 4.6L emblems on his 5.0. And if he did have a 4.6 in it, the amount of money and knowledge it takes he would have had a beast cause shitheads don't build those combos.

Also I'm sorry but unless he sat there and spun all night you beating a 5.0 by 5-6 legthns to 80mph is just not believable. That is like beating a 5.0 by 1.5+ second in the 1/4. That sounds like an ass whooping you would give a 4-banger fox.


Oh and a Supra TT is not a V6

are the rear end gears lower on a 3rd gen v6 rather than a 3rd gen 305 TBI auto? Theres a guy I know with a v6 camaro and we usually end up neck and neck or he slowly passes. I know I dont have a race car but come on. oh then there was the ford escape that I tried to get around......that wasnt cool....

Also I'm sorry but unless he sat there and spun all night you beating a 5.0 by 5-6 legthns to 80mph is just not believable. That is like beating a 5.0 by 1.5+ second in the 1/4. That sounds like an ass whooping you would give a 4-banger fox.


Oh and a Supra TT is not a V6[/QUOTE]

good point

supra is a straight six correct?

'93-'97 (Supra Twin Turbo) 2JZ-GTE 3.0 (182.9), I-6, DOHC, 24v EFI, Twin Sequential Turbos w/Intercooler 320hp @ 5600 315 @ 4000 3.39 x 3.39 8.5:1

Base Model Supra: 3.0L I6 HP- 225 @ 5900 RPM Torque- 214 @ 3500 RPM

Turbo Supra- 3.0L I6 HP- 320 @ 5600 RPM Torque- 315 @ 4000 RPM

Last night I went to the high school drag races (since a lot of you don't belive me check http://www.pacificraceways.com/ 2005 Schedule) The best run this guy got was a 16.5 that was with open headers. His dial in time was 16.9 (later changed to 16.8 as it got colder). Now my Camaro should run 16.5 stock, I also have proxes 4 should usaly I get fairly good launches. Did he spin coming off the line....... maybe do I still count that as a win....... Yes.

Well you guy's opions are noted, you guys want to call the bs flag, that's fine. I know what happened, I was there. The car obviously didn't have a perfect motor (ie 500 miles on it) it might be more like my car. My maro has 197,000miles on it, does it run perfect......... no. Did they guy miss shift... no it was an auto. Is his car running perfect........ probably not (think how many of your guy's car aren't running perfect but you still drive them anyway). You might have missed my post about the tranny mounts, yes I am still driving my car even though I think the tranny mount might be broken.

The bottom line is Camaro-1 Mustang-1, he won a race then I won a race.

'93-'97 (Supra Twin Turbo) 2JZ-GTE 3.0 (182.9), I-6, DOHC, 24v EFI, Twin Sequential Turbos w/Intercooler 320hp @ 5600 315 @ 4000 3.39 x 3.39 8.5:1

Base Model Supra: 3.0L I6 HP- 225 @ 5900 RPM Torque- 214 @ 3500 RPM

Turbo Supra- 3.0L I6 HP- 320 @ 5600 RPM Torque- 315 @ 4000 RPM

Last night I went to the high school drag races (since a lot of you don't belive me check http://www.pacificraceways.com/ 2005 Schedule) The best run this guy got was a 16.5 that was with open headers. His dial in time was 16.9 (later changed to 16.8 as it got colder). Now my Camaro should run 16.5 stock, I also have proxes 4 should usaly I get fairly good launches. Did he spin coming off the line....... maybe do I still count that as a win....... Yes.

Well you guy's opions are noted, you guys want to call the bs flag, that's fine. I know what happened, I was there. The car obviously didn't have a perfect motor (ie 500 miles on it) it might be more like my car.
My maro has 197,000miles on it, does it run perfect......... no. Did they guy miss shift... no it was an auto. Is his car running perfect........ probably not (think how many of your guy's car aren't running perfect but you still drive them anyway). You might have missed my post about the tranny mounts, yes I am still driving my car even though I think the tranny mount might be broken.

The bottom line is Camaro-1 Mustang-1, he won a race then I won a race.

Not that I'm agreeing with that mustang guy, but if that LX mustang had a 302 5.0, it would have almost 300 hp stock. I might have read you wrong but I thought you said you had 160...I don't get it.....

Not that I'm agreeing with that mustang guy, but if that LX mustang had a 302 5.0, it would have almost 300 hp stock. I might have read you wrong but I thought you said you had 160...I don't get it.....

Where are you getting those numbers at? The 5.0 in the certain LX's was the same 5.0 in the GT's rated at 225 horsepower.

Not that I'm agreeing with that mustang guy, but if that LX mustang had a 302 5.0, it would have almost 300 hp stock. I might have read you wrong but I thought you said you had 160...I don't get it.....
Yes my Camaro does have 160hp. Some was/is wrong with the guys motor, a 5.0 should run quicker than 16 sec quatermiles.

Yes my Camaro does have 160hp. Some was/is wrong with the guys motor, a 5.0 should run quicker than 16 sec quatermiles.

true, if he is running high 16's then his 5.0 is not running good. the 350tpi 3rd gens ran 15.1 and were getting beat by 5.0 stangs. which would put them in the mid to high 14's. and it sure as hell wasn't a 4-banger stang cuz those things take like 20 seconds to do a quarter (seriously).

it is very much possible that he beat the stang, even if it was a 5.0... don't underestimate v6's (hypsi, need i say more?). but it isn't right to go and try to rag him by saying that he was against a 4-banger... i can beat the 4-banger mustangs (and camaros) on foot... those things were beyond slow...

oh btw tho, fox-body stangs did not rule over all 3rd gen f-bodys... '88 Turbo Trans Am's were known for running between 12.6-13.4, those ruled the streets.

(being an f-body man, i can't give stangs too much props lol)

Where are you getting those numbers at? The 5.0 in the certain LX's was the same 5.0 in the GT's rated at 225 horsepower.
I meant 225hp and 300 torque, got the numbers mixed up...stillfaster than 160hp....

Dyno numbers mean shit

^I agree with that. It really all depends on weather, time and stuff. Hell I beat a GT stang with my MC just yesterday. :)

I beat a stang on foot the other day,then i realized it was parked... still felt good lol

I meant 225hp and 300 torque, got the numbers mixed up...stillfaster than 160hp....

there are so many variables in a race, i don't take dyno numbers into hardly any consideration...

if peak hp and torque numbers were all that mattered then people wouldn't race because they would aready know who would win, but numbers don't prove anything

Well Im not a fan of the 4.6 however if you truly walked one in a V6, one of two things happend. One it really was not a 4.6 more than likely a v6 with a 4.6 badging in which case I could beat with my wifes malibu.
Or two if it really was a 4.6 you were up against a driver had no clue what he was doing and had no business behind the wheel of anything short of a bigwheel.

V6's suck period. Doesn't matter if its a Camaro or mustang. There not even worth my time racing, so don't flatter yourself to much because you beat one. There plenty of mini van moms that do it all day long.


ez on the v-6 bashing there little fella, I would put my v-6 up agenst many 8 poppers all day long... While I agree with you on the fishiness of the story, stranger stuff has happend.

oh btw tho, fox-body stangs did not rule over all 3rd gen f-bodys... '88 Turbo Trans Am's were known for running between 12.6-13.4, those ruled the streets.

(being an f-body man, i can't give stangs too much props lol)


89 not 88 and they never touched the 12 stock.

gotta love turbo buick GN power baby :evillol:

hmmm this makes me wanna hurry up and finish my car so i can get her back on the road. and for the record i stomp v8 mustangs just for the laugh. im thinking of getting wanna see my ass printed accross the front of my windshield because thats all they see anyway when they line up with me smh...i told u guys before i sold my gt mustang to get my v6 camaro and what do u know i ended up with a much faster car with a few grand in her. now if that guy would have said he beat down a 03 cobra in his 6 i would have pulled his man card but i can see a early 5.0. hell i could run a 5.0 when my shit was bone stock with regular unleaded gas, thats not hard to do at all, hell maybe i could on foot also

hmmm this makes me wanna hurry up and finish my car so i can get her back on the road. and for the record i stomp v8 mustangs just for the laugh. im thinking of getting wanna see my ass printed accross the front of my windshield because thats all they see anyway when they line up with me smh...i told u guys before i sold my gt mustang to get my v6 camaro and what do u know i ended up with a much faster car with a few grand in her. now if that guy would have said he beat down a 03 cobra in his 6 i would have pulled his man card but i can see a early 5.0. hell i could run a 5.0 when my shit was bone stock with regular unleaded gas, thats not hard to do at all, hell maybe i could on foot also


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I dont know why he didnt mention this, but i was in the car with him. The first race was pretty bad, 1st gear got all messed up and so we know what happened there. The second race was wierd tho. From the light we just kept pulling and by the time we shut down at like 80 or so, we actualy did have like 5 cars on him.

It was strange, I was really expecting the mustang to pull away, but not hard. As it turns out we pulled hard on him. I do remember him pulling the old ricer flyby though, sadly.

Ill go have a look at this guys car and maybe get him to open the hood and see if I can figure out whatrs actually under it.

how the hell did i miss that guy saying something about a 300hp mustang. when was a 90's mustang rated that high? hell a 5.0 never saw that stock he must have had some good work done to it.

how the hell did i miss that guy saying something about a 300hp mustang. when was a 90's mustang rated that high? hell a 5.0 never saw that stock he must have had some good work done to it.
Im gonna give you the same advice a few have already given me. Read the rest of the damn thread, that correction has already been made. Stock 90 5.0's came with 225hp stock and 300ft lbs of torque. Which brings me to my next point. You were running 5.0's with your stock V6 huh. I don't know what your smoking but you need to start sharing. First of all torque is what wins races. And a 5.0 is making a hell of a lot more of it than your stock V6. So your either full of it or there's a crap load of 4 and 6 bangers down there with 5.0 badges.

ez on the v-6 bashing there little fella, I would put my v-6 up agenst many 8 poppers all day long... While I agree with you on the fishiness of the story, stranger stuff has happend.
I was talking abot V6 camaros and mustangs only. You of all people should know Im not talking about that beast you drive.:biggrin:

Im gonna give you the same advice a few have already given me. Read the rest of the damn thread, that correction has already been made. Stock 90 5.0's came with 225hp stock and 300ft lbs of torque. Which brings me to my next point. You were running 5.0's with your stock V6 huh. I don't know what your smoking but you need to start sharing. First of all torque is what wins races. And a 5.0 is making a hell of a lot more of it than your stock V6. So your either full of it or there's a crap load of 4 and 6 bangers down there with 5.0 badges.
As eillob was saying....READ THE WHOLE THREAD...
I agree with this guy.....no stock V6 would beat a 5.0 Mustang....

There's a chance, the 5.0 has to be pretty messed up like trans and needing a tune up, but hey just give the guy props for winning a race and let him go on day by day.

There's a chance, the 5.0 has to be pretty messed up like trans and needing a tune up, but hey just give the guy props for winning a race and let him go on day by day.
Ok, theres a small chance,

if he did beat a 5.0 that's definately something to brag about, I would if I had a V6.....

Keep in mind that 3.8 f-bodies are known to beat the pre-98 GT's stock for stock.. 5.0s shouldnt be too far past that. Peak hp/tq numbers mean shit.

Keep in mind that 3.8 f-bodies are known to beat the pre-98 GT's stock for stock.. 5.0s shouldnt be too far past that. Peak hp/tq numbers mean shit.

Here we go again. Known by whom? Where is your facts that 3.8 f bodies out perform Pre 98 GT's. You show me some facts because this bench racing is getting way old. I've drivin both and theres no way I can believe that.

Peak hp/tq numbers mean shit? They better mean something to you, you mind explaining this idiotic statement.

I'll back off the GT statement simply because I can't find solid proof, DAMN I need to get to the track..

Anyway, yes peak HP and tq numbers mean nothing to me. I'm much more interested on what's being made across the entire powerband and where the power is being made, than what the most it makes is. Also, you must remember that in most races you're not racing the other car, you're racing the other driver. There are so many variables in a race that hp/tq is only a part of it. What it there's a carr making 400 hp and 400 tq... its fast you say... but what if theres 2.30 gears on it? (just pulling numbers out of my ass to get the point across). Then there's also weight to consider, tires, transmission... many many things.

I'll back off the GT statement simply because I can't find solid proof, DAMN I need to get to the track..

Anyway, yes peak HP and tq numbers mean nothing to me. I'm much more interested on what's being made across the entire powerband and where the power is being made, than what the most it makes is. Also, you must remember that in most races you're not racing the other car, you're racing the other driver. There are so many variables in a race that hp/tq is only a part of it. What it there's a carr making 400 hp and 400 tq... its fast you say... but what if theres 2.30 gears on it? (just pulling numbers out of my ass to get the point across). Then there's also weight to consider, tires, transmission... many many things.


Peak HP/TQ is not all of it but to say it doesn't matter and dismiss would be foolish.

Also yes your racing the person and the car not just the car but if you want to make a blanket statement like I beat stock 5.0's all the time or known or any variation. You have taken it beyond just 1 car+driver situation haven't you? So now you have to look at the mean of the two cars.

y does everyone seem to think that 5.0 stangs are gods? they're not all that fast...

when i street race i see all these guys pull up talkin "oh i got a 5 POINT OH, my stang is real fast" then i watch sn-95 (or whatever) v6 stangs beat them. at the same time i've seen many a 4th v6 camaro beat the sn-95 v6 mustangs... so if u put 2 and 2 together, then a v6 camaro will have a decent chance at winning against a 5.0

besides he never said he beat a 5.0 that was running all that perfect, he said that the car was posting 16's at the track, indicating that it is not the best running 5.0. i see the story as very much possible.

last point, torque does not win races. my 305tbi had plenty of torque, enough to out launch almost everyone i raced, but once i got up in the rpms, my lack of horsepower would get me smoked. if torque won races i would go out and get the intake w/ like 5 foot runners and heads with small valve sizes and i would win every race. but torque doesn't win races, so i wouldn't do that. torque HELPS, yes. win races, not always. it can give u some damn good launches tho :evillol:

y does everyone seem to think that 5.0 stangs are gods? they're not all that fast...


when i street race i see all these guys pull up talkin "oh i got a 5 POINT OH, my stang is real fast" then i watch sn-95 (or whatever) v6 stangs beat them. at the same time i've seen many a 4th v6 camaro beat the sn-95 v6 mustangs... so if u put 2 and 2 together, then a v6 camaro will have a decent chance at winning against a 5.0

besides he never said he beat a 5.0 that was running all that perfect, he said that the car was posting 16's at the track, indicating that it is not the best running 5.0. i see the story as very much possible.

How can you race a car thats obviously not running correctly and brag about beating it. Thats like beating up someone already passed out.

last point, torque does not win races. my 305tbi had plenty of torque, enough to out launch almost everyone i raced, but once i got up in the rpms, my lack of horsepower would get me smoked. if torque won races i would go out and get the intake w/ like 5 foot runners and heads with small valve sizes and i would win every race. but torque doesn't win races, so i wouldn't do that. torque HELPS, yes. win races, not always. it can give u some damn good launches tho :evillol:

The same reason people think F-bodys are gods.

And let me school you a little about torque because its obvious that some of you have no clue. Its the rate of acceleration that wins races, not peak hp. Torque is the most important part of the equation because if you can't produce torque in the lower rpm ranges it will take you forever to get into the upper rpm ranges where peak horsepower is made.
Everytime you grab the next gear your rpms fall and you have to climb the mountain to get back into that peak horsepower reading. The rate of acceration from one point to the next is how we judge a vehicles performace, not how much peak HP it makes. So the question here isn't peak hp but the maximum torque in the rpm band that produces the greatest acceleration.

So this story of a stock V6 smoking a WELL RUNNING stock 5.0 just doesnt wash, the torque just isn't there.

The same reason people think F-bodys are gods.

And let me school you a little about torque because its obvious that some of you have no clue. Its the rate of acceleration that wins races, not peak hp. Torque is the most important part of the equation because if you can't produce torque in the lower rpm ranges it will take you forever to get into the upper rpm ranges where peak horsepower is made.
Everytime you grab the next gear your rpms fall and you have to climb the mountain to get back into that peak horsepower reading. The rate of acceration from one point to the next is how we judge a vehicles performace, not how much peak HP it makes. So the question here isn't peak hp but the maximum torque in the rpm band that produces the greatest acceleration.

So this story of a stock V6 smoking a WELL RUNNING stock 5.0 just doesnt wash, the torque just isn't there.

haha...yeah I dont think I could see a 4th gen v6 beating a well running 5.0.............but anything is possible............

Keep in mind that 3.8 f-bodies are known to beat the pre-98 GT's stock for stock.. 5.0s shouldnt be too far past that. Peak hp/tq numbers mean shit.

Sorry bud you can't compare the 5.0 mustangs to the 4.6.....not the same car/engine....5.0's are faster....

The same reason people think F-bodys are gods.

And let me school you a little about torque because its obvious that some of you have no clue. Its the rate of acceleration that wins races, not peak hp. Torque is the most important part of the equation because if you can't produce torque in the lower rpm ranges it will take you forever to get into the upper rpm ranges where peak horsepower is made.
Everytime you grab the next gear your rpms fall and you have to climb the mountain to get back into that peak horsepower reading. The rate of acceration from one point to the next is how we judge a vehicles performace, not how much peak HP it makes. So the question here isn't peak hp but the maximum torque in the rpm band that produces the greatest acceleration.

So this story of a stock V6 smoking a WELL RUNNING stock 5.0 just doesnt wash, the torque just isn't there.


Yea well we all know that the LSx is god's enigne, not the 5.0.... :icon16:

haha...yeah I dont think I could see a 4th gen v6 beating a well running 5.0.............but anything is possible............

There are 4th gen v6's running everything from 16's to 12's, so that's a big generalization there.

Oh and this thread is way too drawn out by now...
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And let me school you a little about torque because its obvious that some of you have no clue.

woa, i'm sorry to offend the smartest person on the forum. dude i'm no dumbass, but this forum has already had its whole "physics" talk so i don't need to go into a long drawn out explanation as to how a car moves. but let me assure u, u are preaching to the choir.

besides wasn't i the one that said peak hp and torque number mean nothing? how there are much more variables to racing rather than peak numbers? besides u just pretty much said what i said just with alot of words...

i said: torque alone doesn't win races
u said: u need torque in lower rpm's to get to peak hp

your previous comment from ur other post was that torque won races, yet in this one u said that torque gets u to your peak hp (which is another thing that helps in winning races). essentially, you, yourself admitted that torque alone doesn't win races, but helps you get up in the powerband. woa u just made my point for me

i also used the example of my old engine, which had respectable torque, but crappy hp... how i could take off hard but when my rpms were up i would get skunked

but then again i have no clue so let me go kill myself cuz i suck at life :flipa:

I never said 5.0's where god or even that fast unless I was jesting some where.

The reason I find the story unbelievable is not even that 4th Gen V-6 beating a 5.0. I think it can happen either through driving error or the fact that that 5.0 is beat to shit. All this refers to stock.

I disbelieve this story cause he said he beat it by 8 lengths I think it was? @80mph. Then he said the other guys car is dail in and running at a slightly faster time at that local track. The dail in times would suggest a trap speeds to be right around 80mph. So he won the 1/4 by 8 lengths against a slighlty faster car... even wit horrible driving that seems to be pushing the limits of reasonable variance.....


And I hate to break it to all you V6 guys if your car is driven well and you race a 5.0 that isn't beat to shit and driven well your gonna lose. If you think anything else your just being dellusional. Stock vs Stock.

03/04 Cobra 4.6(1200hp ability w/o taking off a cam cover)>Ellis Juan

woa, i'm sorry to offend the smartest person on the forum. dude i'm no dumbass, but this forum has already had its whole "physics" talk so i don't need to go into a long drawn out explanation as to how a car moves. but let me assure u, u are preaching to the choir.

besides wasn't i the one that said peak hp and torque number mean nothing? how there are much more variables to racing rather than peak numbers? besides u just pretty much said what i said just with alot of words...

i said: torque alone doesn't win races
u said: u need torque in lower rpm's to get to peak hp

your previous comment from ur other post was that torque won races, yet in this one u said that torque gets u to your peak hp (which is another thing that helps in winning races). essentially, you, yourself admitted that torque alone doesn't win races, but helps you get up in the powerband. woa u just made my point for me

i also used the example of my old engine, which had respectable torque, but crappy hp... how i could take off hard but when my rpms were up i would get skunked

but then again i have no clue so let me go kill myself cuz i suck at life :flipa:

Explains why my maro kicks the bucket once i get to about 90, all that torque and little hp. The launchs are great though, good GOD!! Cuda dude, the picture post was hilarious!!

im glad he said stock for stock, because i cant see beating newer gt's then going on to loose to a older one. but lets be real, we all know now and days its a game of who's pockets are deeper, who the hell is running stock? yeah some of us are just starting but really nobody has stock stuff under the hood anymore. now my car is a 96 and yes a v6, now take a 5.0 that im thinking u guys are getting from around what 89-93 or something, both cars are beat to hell, ran to death and has lost a step since the days they were rolled off the line, so in a race it will come down to the driver and whos car stays in one piece. here in tampa most mustang drivers have newer stangs and every now and then u see 5.0's and i dont think any of them are stock, they all seem pretty nice and moded, so do i get some or not? hell yeah, damn lets keep it real, ill roll up on a ls1 car just as fast as a stang, and in my mind the fool in the other lane is gonna see my ass regardless. now if im looking at his then he spent a bit more than i did and his driving is a bit better than mines but hey, u win some u loose some, he got a 5.o under his belt he may get raped by the next one...who knows

oh and one more thing, 2 guys one has a 04 gt, and the other has a 02 ls1 camaro, nothing can be found wrong with either car they both run great but every time we strap them up on the dyno the mustang puts out 230 and the camaro puts down 258 or something like that. lt1 cars are running faster stock than both cars and both cars are rated much higher, so yes i can see them loosing to cars they should be beating on papper, but it happens like that sometimes. i keep telling u all, it all comes down to the day your car was built, its that simple.

you guys can sit here and talk numbers and crunch brains all day over this.. or you can simply... get over it. here's the thing, we all know there is more to a race than numbers. 4 people have said it, everyone has agreed, did anyone take into consideration the difference in powertrain loss in the auto mustang as opposed to the 5 speed camaro? NO. There is another variable.. so until you guys say it can or cant be done... think. I've been gone a few days and havent been around to argue, but heres what i bring to the table..

I have a 93 v6 auto Camaro. 3.4L rated at 160hp stock. My car has a K&N FIPK, Magnaflow Exhaust, no catalytic convertor, a TransGO shift kit (soon to be coupled with a GM servo), and stock 3.23 rear end gear ratio.. my car, is by no means superman. Ok, i havent dyno'd my car, so i have no idea what my peak hp or torque is, and i know quite a few of you guys are in the same boat, we can only assume that we are running a little more than stock.. what.. exhaust gave me maybe 10 and intake maybe 5.. so.. say im running roughly at 175 hp, against a mustang with 225. you cant tell me that with a few mods i dont have a chance at taking down that mustang..

On the papers 5.0's run 16's, on the papers the v6 maros with 3.8l's run 15.5

continue yer bickering :D