Walked an evo

driving down 71 a few nights ago i see a white evo come flying through traffic, im crusing in the open so i slow down a little bit and wait for him to come up, he gose to pass me in the slow lane so i nail it a little to give him an idea of what i wanna do

he gives me this :screwy: look and i was all :naughty:

he motions 3 fingers and tells me to honk, so we slow done to about 40 with clear open spaces ahead of us i honk down and bame were off

i get a slight lead to the end of third, churped into 4th started pulling harder, hit 5th he was about 2-3 car lengths back i shut down about 120 he rolled up gave me the :eek7: and a thumbs up

god i my sentra

you chirped 4th?

uhh your gonna have to show some timeslips, a mod list, and maybe some pics of your car if you want to get legit.

Yeah man show some time slips so i can belive you

i believe u..a 14 sec car would kill an evo from a roll.

:sly:

I'm smelling another flylswi owning coming up if there's no pics...

i believe u..a 14 sec car would kill an evo from a roll.


Not quite check out my post. My srt-4 is a low 14 sec car high 13 sec car and all i did was stay dead even tell 100 when we shut down.

I think this guy has bs written all over his post unless he races a ralliart or something.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t390085.html

I to smell some potential BS in the works. Show proof dude. If you come around here with an outradeous story, then you better have something to back it up with. What mods have been done as well?

God i my sentra? Go to school you must, Important knowledge is. Learn you must, issential is good grammer.

Turbo Spec V eh?

Got Pics?
Got Slips?
Got Dyno?

Untill you can produce such things, I call :bs:.

Prove me wrong sir, prove me wrong.

Perhaps a picture of you by your car with a sign that says "Kiss my ass AF" and one right next to the turbo as well.

proof? ? ? ?

"i'll believe that when me sh!t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert"
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Hey i understand ive been through this before

ill go through everything for ya

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the only pics i can find are the install pics, but my friend has got the dyno vids, and finished pics

im trying to make a car domain sight to post em up at, or someone can tell me how to post them on here

-Parker

You shifted into 5th going 120? What the hell kind of gearing do you have?!

120 is right up where my 5th gear ends (i have a 6 speed)

sorry if i worded that badly

its really not that hard to belive if you think about it

stock an evo puts down 271 at the crank and is somewhere around 3000 pounds

a stock Spec V is rated at 175 at the crank and is about 2710 pounds

now i guess im right around 2800 and with 287whp the race would be in my favor

i churped in 4th becuase i have shitty tires, and yeah i forgot to say love in "god i love my sentra" my bad but i was pumped up to tell my story

Hmmm, well so far you've taken the critisim pretty well.

Get us some pics, sounds like you've got a pretty clean car. About a year back, I almost bought a new Sentra SE-R Spec V... but I got a 240z instead.

like i said im used to having BS called on me

i tried to set up pics, but i got no programs on my computer to change the size of them

if you wanna see pics give me your email and ill send you them

you can change the size with ms paintshop if I'm not mistaken.

cool you sound legit man, nice race.

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Welcome, you can send some pics to [email protected] and i can resize them for you if you want.

You shifted into 5th going 120? What the hell kind of gearing do you have?!

my 4th gear at redline is 120.

weird. i don't have to shift 5th until 135+.

even with your 290hp...i dont think you would've hung with the evo...let alone beat it by 3 car lengths. either a bad driver or he wasnt trying. opinons are like assholes though, everybody has one. if it is true, props on the kill

evos aren't very fast from a roll. and almost 300whp in a light car is plenty enough to take an evo from a roll.

what makes an evo not good on a roll...heard lots of people say that, it still has 270 some odd horses...the car can't be that much heavier than the sentra...i dont know though. im no expert.

An evo only puts down 225-230 to the wheels. My srt-4 wich puts down roughly that much to the wheels can hang with an evo check out my post Srt-4 vs Evo

Edit: I have heard of turbo Spec-v's they can be pretty quick. I almost got a spec-v i test drove it though and it didn't feel faster then my Scion TC. I then test drove a Srt-4 and i was hooked.

i read it...i have known srt-4's to be quick though. and evo's too. never a sentra. maybe it's because i'm just biased against nissan heh, or i need to actually race one. guess im wrong

what kind of tires are you using? how is a near 300whp FWD goin to have traction in 2nd and 3rd? while your spinning hes already owning you. also as someone already mentioned. don't judge the EVO by its 271 crank hp becasue that hp is pure bull. the car puts down 230-240awhp stock. that 271 crank hp is very underrated. your SE-R however is overrated, its rated at 175 crank hp but puts down 140whp.

again i will ask you what kind of tires your running, casue everyone who owns a high powered FWD will know that anything close to 300whp is useless until your well into 3rd gear. esp with the sentra's short gears that doesn't even hit 60mph in 2nd, you'll have a even harder time connecting.

Hell Ya Hes Kind Of On My Side Lmao

Most AWD cars are a slouch on a roll due to drivetrain loss.

i knew that but...the evo still has a decent amount of horsepower even after the 15%-25% loss...still dont believe his hp claims on the sentra either

Most AWD cars are a slouch on a roll due to drivetrain loss.

the AWD does take more power away, but however whatever power makes it to ground is whatever power makes it to the ground no matter what drive train it is. so no matter how you put it, a stock EVO will acelerate like how a 3200lb 240whp car would acelerate from a roll.

For tires, of course he's running 26" slicks! I personally think it's BS...but everyones been playing nicely so I don't wanna start no fussin'.

wait wait wait...a little bit off forum subject. but. that means a fwd gst would take my gsx from a roll? dam. never thought of that

wait wait wait...a little bit off forum subject. but. that means a fwd gst would take my gsx from a roll? dam. never thought of that

if you two are making the exact same crank hp, then yes the GST would put down more power to the ground ( if they're not being spun from too much power goin to the ground ) and ultimately walk you.

I belive it, that list of mods is very solid. Nice job dude.

alright. im going hunting for a gst kill then heh. have to get em to race me rolling at like 40

also lookin at his mods list, he listed 370cc injectors. those injectors will not support 287whp, those will not flow enough. i'm using that size injectors along with countless other 240sx's and they would never want to go over 250-260whp with them unless you raise the shit out of the fuel pressure with the fuel pressure regulator which you have.

however why did you go with such small injectors? also what are you doing for timing control? the QR25DE is not a engine that runs on a distributor where you can just turn back timing for boost. even so making 287 whp requires some serious timing control. also what are you controling those injectors with?

and what size A/R is your T4 side of the turbo? i would like to know becasue gaining 150whp with only 8.5 psi is damn impressive.

these are basic questions that anyone with a custom turbo charged car should know. its the essential knowledge required so you won't blow up your engine.

120 is right around where my 4th ends....

and what size A/R is your T4 side of the turbo? i would like to know becasue gaining 150whp with only 8.5 psi is damn impressive.

these are basic questions that anyone with a custom turbo charged car should know. its the essential knowledge required so you won't blow up your engine.



I was kinda wondering about that myself... good call.

like i said im used to having BS called on me

i tried to set up pics, but i got no programs on my computer to change the size of them

if you wanna see pics give me your email and ill send you them


You can resize them in paint. Open em in paint, hit image on the top, then go to stretch/skew. You can make it any % of the size it is now. I dont trust you with my email... :grinno:

im running a pair of bald toyo fz4's yes my 2nd and 3rd gears are useless if you read the srt-4 vs evo post i posted up about not having those anymore

Also this is a kit not a custom turbo www.powertechimports.com go to products, tubo kits, click on the spec v

370cc injectors are not too small for the HP im running at, they are about maxed out but i used them on purpose so i wouldnt be tempted to up the boost past 8.5

im using an apexi safcII which with the low bost im running is plenty good for effective tuning purposes

then what are you using for timing control?

besides the apexi nothing, it dosnt need it at that low of boost, the car runs strong and clean

i wish i could convince you further, when i get home ill email that guy that pics so he can post them up

ill get the dyno vids and i know some guys who have a evo and an sti that would be willing to run so i could record it

I'd still like to see some pictures. I think he's serious.

no problem i get home around 140 and ill send them at that time

370cc injectors are not too small for the HP im running at, they are about maxed out but i used them on purpose so i wouldnt be tempted to up the boost past 8.5


I'll believe that. I got ~300whp at 14psi and am still on 360cc injectors...they are maxed out and need to be upgraded before the boost goes up anymore...but plenty of 3/S owners are doing the same with few/no problems.

but igovert your running 360cc X6 , he is running 370cc X 4. your flowing around 50% more fuel then he is.

trust me 370 is plenty pics will be sent in about 20mins

i have 320CC injectors and am pushing about 210HP
Crank, im fine for air/fuel.

holy crap. i really wouldnt think that 370's are enough. Although they may work...somehow, I wouldnt put 370's on any 4-banger running 250+WHP. No timing control? I believe you tho, so dont get me wrong, not BS'ing, just suprised.

the AWD does take more power away, but however whatever power makes it to ground is whatever power makes it to the ground no matter what drive train it is. so no matter how you put it, a stock EVO will acelerate like how a 3200lb 240whp car would acelerate from a roll.
No...... Who told you this???? Not only does the car have more parasitic drivetrain loss, it also has more mechanical mass to move (Depending on car: front driveshaft, rear differential, transfer case). If Car A has 120 whp and is fwd, and car B has the same amount of whp and is awd, Car A will win. Reason being is that there are more mechanical parts that need to move.

No...... Who told you this???? Not only does the car have more parasitic drivetrain loss, it also has more mechanical mass to move (Depending on car: front driveshaft, rear differential, transfer case). If Car A has 120 whp and is fwd, and car B has the same amount of whp and is awd, Car A will win. Reason being is that there are more mechanical parts that need to move.

your forgetting the most important aspect of counting why we rather rate the car's true power by measuring at the wheels vs. measuring at the crank. the whp power is derived from all that drive train loss already accounted into it, which means it already includes the axle lose, the center diff, the front and rear diff's, and for the subbies case, the input shaft, counter shaft, and output shaft, also not to mention all the power thats freed up from a light weight flywheel, under drive pulleys, light weight drive shafts, etc. after all the power from the engines fly wheel travels thru all that, then whatever power remains will make it to the wheels to be measured.

example a S2000 makes 240hp but loses 40whp from its drive train loss, and what makes it to the wheels is 200whp. if you calculate 200whp x 1.20 which is equilvant to 20% drive train loss, it will work out to exactly 240 crank hp. for RWD vehicles the general bases is 7.5% per gear set. so since its a longitutional RWD tranny it consist of 3 gear sets.

1) input shaft
2) counter shaft
3) output shaft

so thats 3 X7.5 = 22.5 percent drive train loss. that is the general case, so with the S2000 being 20% it works out perfectly. i can also say that around the 350Z. those puts down 230-240 whp and its rated at 287 crank hp.

so thats 240 x 1.2 = guess what? 288 crank hp.

now for front wheel drives, or transversly mounted MR's they run on a transaxle which only has 2 sets of gears, so theres only the

1) input shaft
2) output shaft

so thats 7.5 x 2 = 15% drive train loss. lets look at some numbers

a GSR is rated at 175 hp but puts down around 150whp so

150 x 1.15 = hmmmm 172 crank hp. hmmmm do you see the pattern here?

so with the AWD cars all that mumbo jumbo gear set and drive train loss is already accounted for so its 271 crank hp is pure bull.

the average AWD drive train loss is 25% so

240whp x 1.25 = 300hp. which is what i think the evo's true output is.

logically speaking a 350Z should kill a evo from a roll becasue it makes

1) more crank hp 287 vs. 271 crank hp

2) less drive train loss. RWD vs. AWD

but guess what? they are almost dead even from a roll!!! WTF????

well guess what? they both put down 240whp and they both weight 3200lbs ( even though weight is less of a factor from a roll )

also a S2000 should be albe to be even with the EVO from a roll since it puts down 200whp and it weights 2800 lbs, but guess what? the EVO will walk it like a dog.

my friends EVO walks my friends S2000 by atleast 3-4 everytime from 20mph -100mph.

however a SRT-4 putting down very similar numbers to a EVO at the wheels are a pretty damn good match for each other, and is basically a drivers race. i've also seen this in person and knows countless other people whos raced.

so what you said is not true 2001LS1Z28

Nice postage...

Oh no I've gone cross-eyed [/Austin Powers]

your forgetting the most important aspect of counting why we rather rate the car's true power by measuring at the wheels vs. measuring at the crank. the whp power is derived from all that drive train loss already accounted into it, which means it already includes the axle lose, the center diff, the front and rear diff's, and for the subbies case, the input shaft, counter shaft, and output shaft, also not to mention all the power thats freed up from a light weight flywheel, under drive pulleys, light weight drive shafts, etc. after all the power from the engines fly wheel travels thru all that, then whatever power remains will make it to the wheels to be measured.

example a S2000 makes 240hp but loses 40whp from its drive train loss, and what makes it to the wheels is 200whp. if you calculate 200whp x 1.20 which is equilvant to 20% drive train loss, it will work out to exactly 240 crank hp. for RWD vehicles the general bases is 7.5% per gear set. so since its a longitutional RWD tranny it consist of 3 gear sets.

1) input shaft
2) counter shaft
3) output shaft

so thats 3 X7.5 = 22.5 percent drive train loss. that is the general case, so with the S2000 being 20% it works out perfectly. i can also say that around the 350Z. those puts down 230-240 whp and its rated at 287 crank hp.

so thats 240 x 1.2 = guess what? 288 crank hp.

now for front wheel drives, or transversly mounted MR's they run on a transaxle which only has 2 sets of gears, so theres only the

1) input shaft
2) output shaft

so thats 7.5 x 2 = 15% drive train loss. lets look at some numbers

a GSR is rated at 175 hp but puts down around 150whp so

150 x 1.15 = hmmmm 172 crank hp. hmmmm do you see the pattern here?

so with the AWD cars all that mumbo jumbo gear set and drive train loss is already accounted for so its 271 crank hp is pure bull.

the average AWD drive train loss is 25% so

240whp x 1.25 = 300hp. which is what i think the evo's true output is.

logically speaking a 350Z should kill a evo from a roll becasue it makes

1) more crank hp 287 vs. 271 crank hp

2) less drive train loss. RWD vs. AWD

but guess what? they are almost dead even from a roll!!! WTF????

well guess what? they both put down 240whp and they both weight 3200lbs ( even though weight is less of a factor from a roll )

also a S2000 should be albe to be even with the EVO from a roll since it puts down 200whp and it weights 2800 lbs, but guess what? the EVO will walk it like a dog.

my friends EVO walks my friends S2000 by atleast 3-4 everytime from 20mph -100mph.

however a SRT-4 putting down very similar numbers to a EVO at the wheels are a pretty damn good match for each other, and is basically a drivers race. i've also seen this in person and knows countless other people whos raced.

so what you said is not true 2001LS1Z28
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I don't agree. Also I know what wheel horsepower is, and what parasitic loss is. I could go into greater detail, but the bottom line is that there is more mechanical mass with an awd car. Also your assessment of the 350Z versus the Evo is wrong as well. From a roll the Evo will have to spool up. They did a test in Car and Driver and assessed that the 350Z will win from a roll. Mind you that was versus the 03/04 Evo. The 05 Evo has a 10.5 hotside turbo, which added alot more power then what the manufacturer is quoting (i.e. same output as the 04/05 STi). I go to the track regularly and see Evo's trapping 2-3 mph slower then 350Z's stock for stock. Remember, I use to own an Evo :D

all this shit going through my head, i dont really know what to think!! :uhoh:

im just having a real hard time grasping an evo gettin beat by a sentra...

so you go the track and see evo's only trapping in the high 90's? thats kinda crappy if you ask me. a stock 350Z traps at 99-100. so your saying htat a EVO that traps at 102-103mph traps at 97 mph at your drag strip? you see what i'm sayin here right? yes there is more mechanical mass becasue of the AWD, when you say mechanical mass you mean its from the actual weight of the components? becuse it doesn't matter either because the cars still both weights 3200 lbs no matter how you look at it.

also when they did those roll on runs, they were doing a 5mph roll where the evo does have lag. at 20mph the evo is in 3000rpm in first and there is no lag at the point and from a even punch it will be the same as the Z. which in the end again goes into my argument of how a Z and a EVO will be identical from a roll because they both put down 240whp and weights the same.

please explain to me what i'm missing obviously i'm not gettin what your saying.

edit: lets say in modded terms a 300whp 350Z vs. a 300whp EVO. hmmm lets see, the 350 whp Z will be making around 420 crank hp, a 350whp evo would be making 437.5 crank hp to get 350whp. so thats where that extra parasitic drain your talkin about comes from. its already been accounted for.

so you go the track and see evo's only trapping in the high 90's? thats kinda crappy if you ask me. a stock 350Z traps at 99-100. so your saying htat a EVO that traps at 102-103mph traps at 97 mph at your drag strip? you see what i'm sayin here right? yes there is more mechanical mass becasue of the AWD, when you say mechanical mass you mean its from the actual weight of the components? becuse it doesn't matter either because the cars still both weights 3200 lbs no matter how you look at it.

also when they did those roll on runs, they were doing a 5mph roll where the evo does have lag. at 20mph the evo is in 3000rpm in first and there is no lag at the point and from a even punch it will be the same as the Z. which in the end again goes into my argument of how a Z and a EVO will be identical from a roll because they both put down 240whp and weights the same.

please explain to me what i'm missing obviously i'm not gettin what your saying.
They're a dime a dozen at Speedway trapping 97-99 mph (Meaning Evo's). I'm sure Danno will back me on this one (I am of course talking about stock Evo's, the modified ones i've seen in the 110-115 mph range). I'm guessing that you are not located in California. We have what's called shitane over here (91 octane). Also what dyno are you pulling your quotes from? Stock evo's on Shiv's dyno pump out 185-200 awhp. My former Evo, after the Xede and a catback dynoed at 228 awhp. I raced a stock evo from a roll with it and left him by buslengths, so I don't think that Shiv makes up his dyno numbers.

shiv's dynos are known to read really conservative. when he was on tuner transformations he tuned a EVO with the xede to run on race gas or pump gas, and with the race gas mode in a dedicated fuel cell, with hks cams, cam gears, larger turbine housing, and exhaust running c16 race gas, it only made 298whp. while on sportcompact car, a simliarly setup evo with less mods tuned by shiv made 350whp on their dynos. on the sport compact car dynos, the EVO actualy dynos more whp then the typical 350Z. every year in the 8 great rides section, the EVO has the highest whp compared to everything else, that includes the SRT-4, and the 350Z. and yes 91 octane does suck, a STi's EJ25 is known to make around 310 crank hp according to APS just from running from 93 to 94 octane. certain cars are more sensitive then others.