2001 honda civic ex with mods get ate by 2001 stock mustang v6

my v6 mustang which is hated by alot of dudes that drive civics, preludes, and integras eats up all them all of the time. I dont know why people think there civcs can beat a mustang but I have fun raping civics. I just got a cold air intake (summit) and a muffler added(summit) tuesday. But Sunday night on Francis lewis (if u live in New york city and u race thats famous, smooth road and no stop signs or lights for about 4 or 5 miles. Civics always want to gun at me especially them sh*tty lookin hatch backs. Anyway a silver 2001 ex (with a si sign on the back dont know if it was real of fake) was reving his engine when he came up behind me so as I see its a civic, at the next stop sign I pull to the left to give him space to come side by side with me. He had a muffler and intake (i could hear it) and I dont know what else he was running but it didnt help. He jumped in front until about 30 then it was a wrap. By 95 mph he was about a block and a half behind me. Stop it with the civics people they arent fast.

If youre so fast, then why dont you race someone at your own fucking level. god :disappoin

my v6 mustang which is hated by alot of dudes that drive civics, preludes, and integras eats up all them all of the time. I dont know why people think there civcs can beat a mustang but I have fun raping civics. I just got a cold air intake (summit) and a muffler added(summit) tuesday. But Sunday night on Francis lewis (if u live in New york city and u race thats famous, smooth road and no stop signs or lights for about 4 or 5 miles. Civics always want to gun at me especially them sh*tty lookin hatch backs. Anyway a silver 2001 ex (with a si sign on the back dont know if it was real of fake) was reving his engine when he came up behind me so as I see its a civic, at the next stop sign I pull to the left to give him space to come side by side with me. He had a muffler and intake (i could hear it) and I dont know what else he was running but it didnt help. He jumped in front until about 30 then it was a wrap. By 95 mph he was about a block and a half behind me. Stop it with the civics people they arent fast.

Good Kill.. but I do not agree with your last statement.

http://members.aol.com/vipmetal09/slip1.jpg

That's me on the right side. On the left side is a Civic hatch. Notice his trap speeds at the 1/8 and 1/4.. he stopped going after the 1/8th mark. After that run he ran a 10.7. I don't know about you, but to me that is fast.. :iceslolan

yeah your god of the ricer world their buddy. You and DetroitMuscle15 should race your V6 stangs.

yeah your god of the ricer world their buddy. You and DetroitMuscle15 should race your V6 stangs.

Good lord the combined idiocy in that race would reach a level never seen before.

:iagree:

:rofl:

why do v6 mustang guys always race civics and then claim they're fast?

Welcome to AF, but just to be clear, if you want to be respected by other members, than show some respect to them. Yes, stock civics are economy cars meant to get 30mpg, not 10 second quarter miles...but there are some that are fast.

Similar things could be said about v6 mustangs...so before you go out bashing others, and opening yourself up for a whole lot of flamming...please take a moment to reread the AF user guidelines, and keep your personal biases to yourself.

i agree with igovert500. dont make me start on the v6 mustang.

i agree with igovert500. dont make me start on the v6 mustang.


Ok I will be as respectful as possible. But I used to have a 98 Nissan sentra gxe with a high performance cat. converter, muffler and cold air intake, and I always got ran by civics, I ran some 2 but most of the time I was eating dust. SO when i bought the 2001 v6 mustang I I look for everybody driving a civic with anytype of special muffler to smoke. And so far I have never lost to any civic. Now that I have a cold air intake, and a summit muffler (with a real low restriction cat. converter soming soon) im raisng the bar a little. Now all the integras, eclipses, accord coupes, celicas are on my sh*t list. Who want some?

Now all the integras, eclipses, accord coupes, celicas are on my sh*t list. Who want some?

well since you're dishing it out....i would take some. since i havent found a v6 mustang that could keep up with me yet, i wouldnt have a problem with you

Good Kill.. but I do not agree with your last statement.

http://members.aol.com/vipmetal09/slip1.jpg

That's me on the right side. On the left side is a Civic hatch. Notice his trap speeds at the 1/8 and 1/4.. he stopped going after the 1/8th mark. After that run he ran a 10.7. I don't know about you, but to me that is fast.. :iceslolan

Damn, that was a fast civic, but someone should have woke him up when the race started. :lol:

So, does the v6 mustang eat up alot of trucks, too? :biggrin:

Typical Mustang hater ego...Civics aren't fast, Civics are slow, Civics this, Civics that, blah freaking blah!! I agree with Igovert entirely. Funny how you said stock V6 Mustang, but then you mention intake and exhaust :rofl:. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but that isn't stock now is it? Just remember what Igovert said, because of your first thread here, you already got on my list of things that must go...L8...

you can tell if its a real Si by it being a hatchback. the 2001 Si are the only hatchback civics you can buy. but even those are still 16 flat cars. why not race some GSRs? or v-tec preludes? those stock should be able to barely take you.

also i'm also from nyc. and i know francis lewis blvd. i don't frequent there much, but i know a few that shows up from time to time on friday nights like the turbo 240sx crew. but anyways i wouldn't brag about beating a civic ( no offense to the civic guys ) i know a guy that has a 12 second n/a civic. that should be quick enough to barely beat you j/p but that 12 second n/a civic is real though.

Now all the integras, eclipses, accord coupes, celicas are on my sh*t list. Who want some?


I'll take some.. :biggrin: You should go to a drag strip and see what kind of times you can get with your stang. Let us know.

I'll take some.. :biggrin: You should go to a drag strip and see what kind of times you can get with your stang. Let us know.

i dont think he wants to embarrass himself that much

v6 mustangs and civics are both slow stock. Got it? It sounds like you came here to bash civics, I wouln't judge you yet, But I would stop the dissing if I was you

........ actually, I want some. You calling out Eclipses. Come call me out.

BTW i used to have a V6 mustang.... key words, used to.

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Now I moved on to bigger and better things.

you name people in a different class, try someone in yours...aka CAMARO...it will destory you. (not trying to bash on mustang, just him)

you name people in a different class, try someone in yours...aka CAMARO...it will destory you. (not trying to bash on mustang, just him)
you mean a v6 camaro right? cause he is nowhere near the V8s.

How fast is your car? didnt you read the fine print on the rules? your supposed to have a timeslip available whenever your gonna start shit so that you can back it up. I believe you beat the civic cause its only got like 128hp compared to your 160. but an Eclipse puts out 200 so there is no freaking way youd take one of those.

Also I believe the civic SI and the V6 Mustang are in the same leauge, they are both 160 bhp.

I think I'm gonna like you around here Realhate, Detroitmuscle is our Mustang V6 hero around here. when it comes to the v6 stang he is king........but he hasnt been around lately to entertain us so I think you might fit right in. Welcome to AF and go get you some time slips so you can shut people up when they challenge your car's speed.

Also I believe the civic SI and the V6 Mustang are in the same leauge, they are both 160 bhp.

Their motors may make the same amount of power, but the Civic weighs significantly less than the Mustang, giving it a pretty big advantage.

yep, the 3800 camaro usually puts down stock V-6 mustang..speaking stock for stock. im hoping to get my sixer into the 13's by midspring (supercharged with a stage 2 clutch.)

Musashi3000 why must people come here and give wrong info on horse power. Im tired of reading false claims of factory output. a 2001 v6 mustang puts out 195 horses with a credible 220 torque. it also weighs a hefty 3100 pds. A 2001 civic si does have 160 and is about 300 pds lighter (i think) but the torque is what makes the mustang king of that battle. AND i DOnt know what im pushing now since I added the low restriction cat. converter, muffler and cold air intake. But I bet u I got at least around 215 to 220 hp. Cause I obliterated a a 325i bmw and thats something I couldnt do before (we ran about even I was probably ahead by 3 hairs) but a 325i only has 185 horse power, but the bmw dynamics and suspension are a bit better than mines, stock.

take her to the track buddy, then youll have solid proof of how fast your car is. im curious as to what those 195hp v6 stangs run.

When u guys talk about mustangs u got to be specific about the year cause within the last 10 yrs(since 1995) v6 mustangs have jumped from 150 hp to 210 hp(2005) so u cant just say mustang u must name the year. A a base 2005 mustang v6 can run neck and neck with the new acura rsx type-s which also has 210 horse power but is down on torque though its lighter.

ALso when u speak of gt mustangs from 89 to now u must be specific in year cause 5.0 mustangs of the late 80's and early 90's werent as fast as people think, they were just lighter than the new ones. They only made 235 hp. The mustang gt in my generation 1999-2004 made 260, the cobra made 320 from 1999- 2002 but in 2003 they made them into beasts making 390 hp and going to 60 in the mid 4's and quarter in about 11. And that is a stock cobra. thats why when im up on here looking at people write rediculousness about mustangs I reply. Cause there is no stock civic that can beat a stock 1999 and up v6 mustang in a race period, si or not. and I already ate an eclipse it was the one that has all the lines like the 2000 and up. a Prelude bit the dust too. I cant f*ck with supras I know that, everybody got a damn turbo in theirs. But Eclipses are on my dinner plate daily

I didn't see the celica part before, Now I hate you :grinno: You wanna race my 1988 celica (Alltrac turbo). Its stock. Your 190 horse is so much better then my 190 horse because mines a toyota right? Um no. I think you are just jelous because you have a v6 stang and not a v8 one.So your trying to look cool by showing you can beat about, 4 cars?

You think a freakin' rsx is the same as yours? Um...No. A rsx may have less torque, but I can promise you they are much faster then you. They get to 60 in like, 6.6 seconds dont they? Dont try to tell me you can do that.

First, I seriously doubt that a muffler, CAI, and 'low restriciton cat' is gonna push you from 195 to 210+. Maybe 205 if your lucky.

Second, you are either BSing or have way more than what you say, becuase I've run, and beat more than a handfull of V6 Stangs (both the 97 models and the 2000 (pre '05) models). Shit, with the 2001 model V6s the fastest I've seen in person run was a 15.6. Thats two tenths slower than a stock E46 325i. So while I dont think that a E46 ended your world, I think that with your mods, you at best ran doors with it, maybe him edging it out.

The reason most Mustang owners are frowned upon is because of their dumb V8 ego. The majority of them anyway. The same can be said about Civic drivers. A lot of them look like idiots because they watched F&F too freaking much. But Mustang drivers have also earned their bad rep because all they talk about is "I put a Civic in it's place! HAHAHA!!" Truthfully the Mustang vs. Civic battle is so ridiculously old that whenever someone brings up the fact, I want to take them into the middle of the street and scalp em.

Anyway, I believe the 2003 Cobras are 12's. Dampachi had mentioned that before. And if you think about it, Cobras are supercharged. Supercharge any of the newer V8's and you'll put down better numbers than that (i.e. LS1's). Honestly, take it to the track. Show us what kind of numbers you can put down. L8...

and when u talk about cars such as integras and eclipse they both come with more than 1 type of engine. An eclipse comes with either 160 hp or 200 hp, but again it has less torque than horse power. My 1999 v6 mustang has 195 hp but 220 torque but my tops speed is a bytch. My car is limited to about 130 so i cant really race on open highway. I got to take off this damn government limier somehow. And a v6 camaro cannot beat a v6 mustang for that clown that repied earlier. The last camaroas they made (before the mustang put it out of business) was ugly it looked like a dodge intrepid.

well civics are pretty weak but a lot of cars are weak if their stock and air intake and exhaust dont do much... but i have seen pretty fast civics around here and also seen movies where civic have takin out vipers so u really cant say that civics are slow... i mean i dont like civics but i respect them enough to know about one...

So because they look ulgyer ( In your thaughts ) there slower? your car is limited to 130? I doubt it can do that. It takes my car a while to get the fast, and my car is faster then yours. Do you think torque makes all the differance? I think not. Gearing and powerbands make a big differance as well. So, get me a video of you beating all the cars you say. then I will belive you.

The thread you started says you have a 2001 as does you signature. But now you say you have a 1999 V6. I'm officially calling :bs: because you don't seem to have the right car in mind here. You better come up with something to prove me wrong. Not trying to bash on you, but you don't seem to even know the right year of your car. L8...

Listen a bmw 325i ran neck and neck with me before my mods.(sorry if u got that confused) My homeboys mother has 1 a 2003. Now I will smoke it with my mods and have done before. And let me tell u guys something about mustangs their factory exhaust systems limit their full potential far more than in usual cars. If u get a good free flowing exhaust and a cold air intake, the low restriction cat. converter, I guarantee at least 20 more horses on any mustang.

I never said i have a 1999 v6 mustang. But from 1999 until 2004 they had the same engine. so its that same. Before 1999 v6 mustangs were bullsh*t. And a stock 2003 bmw 325i cannot beat or even hang with my mustang.Especially after mods. Bmw's are faster in the corners on a straight away he has no hope.

My 1999 v6 mustang has 195 hp but 220 torque but my tops speed is a bytch.

A post you made at the top. Hmmm, sure looks like you did to me. Post #31 to be exact. L8...

yea I DID MAKE A MISTAKE MY BAD. well basically its the same car anyway. from 1999 to 2001 has the same 3.8 liter v6 making 195 hp and 220 torque so it really doesnt matter. I just dont like people blurting mis information about mustang power outputs. and a 2005 rsx type s has 210 hp and does 0-60 in 6.6. a 2005 mustang v6 has 210 hp and does it in 6.8 to me thats like neck and neck. and the rsx type s is in the mustang gts prices range. And the mustang gt will smoke it with a scant 5.1 to 60

Yeah, and any LS1 will smoke your GT's. Like I've said, get off your ego trip about Mustangs. No wonder you guys get such a bad rep. You're worse than us Civic drivers. Geez. I'm done with you. This conversation has made me stupider by the minute. As for you, stop your ranting and raving about Mustangs. Tone down your attitude, and show more respect to the other members. Enough said, welcome to the forums, and in the future remember as I have said. L8...

if u wanna talk special camaroas we must talk about special mustangs. Namely the cobra. and a cobra will spank any car u through at it stock. And the new cobra(2006) when it comes out will have a bit more than 400 horsepower. Aint no factory camaroa can mess wit dat period. Now u must step up to corvettes and they cost far more and have no back seat so u really cant compare them to mustangs

but the torque is what makes the mustang king of that battle.

Your mustang may have more torque, but it lakes the ability to multiply and hold flat because it peaks so early. This is the problem with most v6 domestics, namely the mustang and the camaro.

And note that this statement is at no offense to you, I'm sure that your mustang can hold well against most civics. Just stating the facts. Good luck with your mustang, hope to see some nice mods in the future.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'm sorry, but you're the new King of the Retards. Congratulations! May your reign be a long one.

Oh, and just a little FYI, a R34 GT-R Z-Tune will blow the doors of anything, stock. Oh yeah, and it has backseats.

you keep on talkin about eclipses. why not race some DSM's? i'm sure those will blow your doors off. turbo + AWD = ownage.

comon guys give him a break... he would beat detroitmuscle lol. i know where hes coming from tho, the reason v6 mustang guys always talk about beating the crap out of civics is because people that have civics and other cars like it always talk shit about v6 mustangs and how slow they are, they almost always have no clue what they are talking about. unless theyre talking about detroitmuscle... lol. but for an example... my bro has an avenger and on his avenger forum their were guys talkin bout how they could beat a 2000 v6 with np with their 140hp motor... since we happen to own both... we know the real truth, but soon my bro is gonna kick my ass lol, hes turboing it.

if u wanna talk special camaroas we must talk about special mustangs. Namely the cobra. and a cobra will spank any car u through at it stock. And the new cobra(2006) when it comes out will have a bit more than 400 horsepower. Aint no factory camaroa can mess wit dat period. Now u must step up to corvettes and they cost far more and have no back seat so u really cant compare them to mustangs

Apparently you don't know when to shut up about your SUPERCHARGED Cobra. Thus it is using forced induction to run mid to high 12's. The LS1's run mid to high 12's N/A. Plus they have about 60-70 HP less than the Cobra does. That's pretty damn good, same with the TA. You throw a supercharger on any of those two and the Cobra won't mean diddly. Granted you said stock but so what. You are still talking about a supercharged car. But even so, the LS1's will give the Cobra a run for it's money and they are in the same price range. The 2003 Cobras run you anywhere from 35K to 40K brand new.

And to further go on, you are comparing the RSX Type S, which is a 4 cylinder motor with 210 HP to a V8 Stang with 260 HP. So if you are saying you can't compare the Cobra to a new Vette, than you really can't compare the RSX Type S to a GT now can you? Or would you reconsider your last statement? L8...

oops i only read the first page b4 posting... i missed a lot lol. yeah man everyone here can understand u liking mustangs... i do to, but that doesnt mean its the fastest thing on earth and it doesnt mean other cars are peices of shit. just try to be respectful of other peoples cars and interests. but i would have to back him up in the fact that a lot of people do underestimate the newer v6's a little, mostly because its a v6 in a mustang and because the pre 99 stangs were so shitty.

The new mustang gt has 300 hp. The new Rsx type s (meaning 2005) has 210. But they both cost 25 thousand dollars. The v6 mustang is the Rsx's natural competitor with 210 hp but its only 20 thousand. This is why the mustang lasted the test of time unlike other domestic power houses. The diversity,(camaroa only came out with a v6 to copy what ford was doing with the mustang, so did the firebird so gm could copy ford) U can get a 20 thousand dollar mustang that competes with 25 thousand dollar sport coupes or u can get a 25 thousand dollar mustang that competes with sports cars costing 10's of thousands more(we are talking stock here). Then u have the 35 thousand dollar cobra that competes with ferrari's and maserati's with performance, and they cost 3 times as much.

Then u have the 35 thousand dollar cobra that competes with ferrari's and maserati's with performance, and they cost 3 times as much.


thats in a straight line tho... and i still dont know if i believe u then.

u dont have to believe me. Go drive mustangs and race them against the cars we are talking about.

I luv mustangs but im realistic. Their handling on bumpy rodes suck. (besides the cobra cause it has a special suspension) If u take a corner fast in a mustang and the road has bumps the car has a tendancy to hop. It handles good on smooth road but on the bumps it sux, and i live in NYC so u know the roads here are f*cked up pretty bad.

my lil brother has a 2001 honda accord 4 cyclinder ex and its lowered "1 1/2" inch and I wish my car handled like his on the bumpy roads.

that cobras suspension is call IRS... independent rear suspension. opposed to your solid rear axle. the solid axle being better for straight line racing. but anyway, i backed u up some but u have to be respectful, and the best way to prove something is to get a timeslip... and since u havent been here... detroitmuscle has made it very hard for anyone here with a v6 stang to be taken seriously.

wow....i didnt know there was so much misinformation in this section. just to clarify something....the 2000+ eclipse came with two engines. a 4cyl which put about 110hp(auto) to the ground and a v6 which puts about 175whp(manual). and to realhate, the v6 eclipse has more torque than it does hp. and it also will run neck and neck with a rsx-s. so please specify which eclipses you beat. i can guarantee that you were running against the 4cyl.

also...to me, only ricers use the CRANK HP as a show of how much horsepower they have. any real car enthusiest refers to the hp as the amount of hp the car puts to the ground. you say you have 195hp and 220 ft/lbs of torque. all that is to the crank. you have about 150hp(auto) or about 165-170hp(manual) that you are putting to the ground.

omg... misinformation galore..... Since i've started reading this post, I feel like I've gotten stupider. 1999-2004 V6 mustangs run 15.6 at best. I know, I had one. They are not fast at all. Hince is why I upgraded to an eclipse. But I'm not gonna doubt this guy. Maybe he lives in a town where everyone drives automatic, or maybe they misshift every gear, or maybe they're not really racing, but he is. You never know. All I do know is,

Cobra's run 12.9,
LS1's can dip into 12's barely without a sparetire.
V6 Camaro are slightly faster than V6 Mustangs (with equal drivers.)
Turbo DSM's (90-99 eclipses,talons,lasers) would OWN you! especially AWD!
00+ V6 Eclipse's have 205hp and run low 15's, You don't.
RSX-S's dip into 14's, you dont.

Facts here prove, keep racing the lightly modded civics and SI's, because that's probably the only poeple you'll be able to beat. If you wanna compete with the big dawgs you should sale your car and buy something worth your money. Trust me, thats what I did.

BTW you were talking about 20,000 dollar 05 mustangs keeping up with 25,000 cars. What about the 20,000 SRT-4? That OWNS your mustang in all ways, and even carrys 5 people. Also, SRT-4's can keep up with your V8 brothers, if not beat them alltogether. (Talk about money well spent)

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Good god, that is what I've been trying to get by his way the whole entire time. I even did so on page 3. Thank you Savior!! Geez, I swear, that's what I was trying to point out, but he kept on bringing up the 2003 Cobra, and that's when I brought in the LS1's. Other than that, every car was nothing to his Cobra's or GTs. L8...

hmmm, well as long as we're talking about stock cars, lemme bring back some of the greatest machienes of our time, yea that's rite I'm talking about good old detriot muscle (no not the SR forums jester), I mean the actual muscle cars from the 60s and 70s. Stock the 1968 plymouth barracuda (with the 426 HEMI of course) ran the 1/4 mile in 10.5 seconds (that's according to the list on this page... http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm ) I'm not too sure if those are recently tested times or 1/4 times from the days of yore, but either way that is still faster than your cobra, if that 1/4 mile time is incorect that I have posted for the cuda' please give me a site with the "correct one", but at any rate plz stop the whole which mustang is better than which car.

if u wanna talk special camaroas we must talk about special mustangs. Namely the cobra. and a cobra will spank any car u through at it stock. And the new cobra(2006) when it comes out will have a bit more than 400 horsepower. Aint no factory camaroa can mess wit dat period. Now u must step up to corvettes and they cost far more and have no back seat so u really cant compare them to mustangs
Am I the only one who notices how everything fast by Ford, lately, has been supercharged? And remember, the driver can make or break a race. I've seen a 12.98 stock Z28 (Non-SS) and a 13.50 stock 03+ Cobra

and when u talk about cars such as integras and eclipse they both come with more than 1 type of engine. An eclipse comes with either 160 hp or 200 hp, but again it has less torque than horse power. My 1999 v6 mustang has 195 hp but 220 torque but my tops speed is a bytch. My car is limited to about 130 so i cant really race on open highway. I got to take off this damn government limier somehow. And a v6 camaro cannot beat a v6 mustang for that clown that repied earlier. The last camaroas they made (before the mustang put it out of business) was ugly it looked like a dodge intrepid.
Foolish child.. The V6 Camaro can definatly beat a 3.8 Mustang. Oh yeah, saying that the Mustang put the Camaro out of production is totaly frivolous. The Camaro put the Camaro out of production. The V6 was out selling the more expensive Z28's by 3:1. GM was losing money, lots of it, so they killed it. And what the hell does the Camaro looking like an Intrepid have to do with anything? Thats totaly irrelivant to this conversation.

The new mustang gt has 300 hp. The new Rsx type s (meaning 2005) has 210. But they both cost 25 thousand dollars. The v6 mustang is the Rsx's natural competitor with 210 hp but its only 20 thousand. This is why the mustang lasted the test of time unlike other domestic power houses. The diversity,(camaroa only came out with a v6 to copy what ford was doing with the mustang, so did the firebird so gm could copy ford) U can get a 20 thousand dollar mustang that competes with 25 thousand dollar sport coupes or u can get a 25 thousand dollar mustang that competes with sports cars costing 10's of thousands more(we are talking stock here). Then u have the 35 thousand dollar cobra that competes with ferrari's and maserati's with performance, and they cost 3 times as much.
First Highlight:This is the second time you spelled CAMARO "Camaroa". The highlited statement made absolutly no sense what so ever. If i rephrase it, I get something like "GM made the V6 Camaro/Firebird to copy the Mustang?" So, basically you're saying that if anyone but Ford/Chevy/Dodge put a V8 in the vehicle, they're copying it? Okay..

Second Highlight: We're talking about V6 Mustangs here. Not Saleens, Cobras, Roush's, or any of that stuff. We're talking about the Split-Port 3.8L V6 Mustang. BTW, The Maserati uses the same engine as the pre 03 Cobras..and plus with Ferrari, you dont get a Rubbermaid interior.. this is coming from a Ford guy.

I luv mustangs but im realistic. Their handling on bumpy rodes suck. (besides the cobra cause it has a special suspension) If u take a corner fast in a mustang and the road has bumps the car has a tendancy to hop. It handles good on smooth road but on the bumps it sux, and i live in NYC so u know the roads here are f*cked up pretty bad.
Obviously you've never ridden in or dorve a Cobra. The SVT's come with a stiffer spring rate, in turn making them not absorb the bumps as well, compared to your V6 Suspension. (Stiff Suspension=Doesnt go well over bumps)

im not gonna front and say I raced and rsx-s cause I havent. I have though raced and beat a celica and a eclipse both 2000 and up. AndI own integras almost everyday. I dont know exactly what my car does cause I like the mystery and the roughneck style of street racing. I never took mine to the track. I just add modifications and see what they do by racing all my brothers and cousins cars. My cousin has a 260 hp automatic Maxima and he cant smoke me. I know the 2003 maxima se with 255 hp can smoke me with no problem. But the new won isnt as fast as its supposed to be. We go neck and neck with the Maxima and he has far more horses. My car is lighter but I just dont think nissan meant for the new Maxima to be sporty cause the handling sux ass too. But besides that my 2001 v6 mustang stock was a descent performer (able to run neck and neck with a bmw 325i) and with my light mods is a better performer. I need to find someone willing to go with me that has a rsx type s.

I know the cobras suspension is stiffer but somehow it works better when cornering over bumps than the regular mustang cause of its IRS. Ask someone with a Cobra about cornering and they will tell you.

And the mustang did put the Camro out of business. They were natural competitors dummy. Gm noticed ford was selling alot of v6 mustangsas well as v8's so they started selling the camaro and firebird with v6's. The reason why the Mustang always sold more even though some were down on power is because mustangs always looked cool, something the camaro f*ucked up on in the mid 90's. It looked like a Intrepid coupe LOLOL

But besides that my 2001 v6 mustang stock was a descent performer (able to run neck and neck with a bmw 325i)

Just so you know, a 325i runs a high 15. It only has 184hp for christ sake. I dunno what you're trying to prove by being able to run with one. Just because you're running with a BMW, doesn't mean you're hot shit, not all BMW's are fast.

i edged him out when my car was stock, though. one day I will go for the 330ci I know somebody with one but he aint into racing. Ima make him race me when i get enough mods.