The SRT-4

Hey again, I realize my last thread was a little too broad and I apologize for that. So I've been searching and I found this little Neon, and I must admit Ive taken a liking to its bizzare looks(one of my guilty pleasures)
But I havent heard much about this car, and what I do hear seems to change every time. Does anyone know the quarter mile time for a stock one? And if anyone has owned or does own one how is it treating you? Ive skimmed my car list down to a 99+ gt mustang, 97+ prelude(Theyre heavy I know v_v), or a 99+ SS camaro(I personally dont really like the way they look in the back) . However these are all coupes and I love the idea of having a fast four door. Basically I guess im just looking for any info you guys have on the car or even suggestions about the other ones too. Thanks a lot-

I say go with the SS but it probably isnt what you're going for since there's not alot of room for the seats in the rear, but other than that you'll have an Ls1 going 320hp, and dont worry about the backlights since its what the other person who you're going to be racing is looking at, not you.

the camaro is the fastest... get a caprice!
Lt1=260hp
its 4 door...but it weighs 2tons

the quarter on the srt is around 14.5 or so. i have one i like it just the 1st few weeks i had to get use to the stffer clutch and tranny. but all in all its a real fast neon. you can hang with stock stangs (v-6,and GT) and with some camaros (v-6 and z-28)

both car and driver and road and track tested a stock srt-4 around 14.1.

Only a 14.1? I thought they ran a bit faster than that...

I have heard that the 2004s run 14.1 while the 05's run 13.9
Does anyone know how much stage 2 would take off the time?

I just sold my SRT-4 last week. It had stage 2 and a 3" exhaust. With a good driver and some sticky drag tires it should be able to sneak into the high 12's.

I currently own an 04 srt-4. I LOVE IT. Its alot faster then u would expect. If the Srt-4's your looken at are all 03s i would recomend the other cars but if u find an 04 def jump on it. 04s allready have the stage 1 mopar and LSD (limited slip differential). 0-60 has been tested at 5.2 and the quarter for 14.1 to 13.9. It would be faster but you can't get much traction off the line. From a roll though I can hang with just about anything. Bone Stock LS1's i can keep up from a roll. The inside and out aren't that great inside there are nice buckets in the front and power windows (only in the front crank windows in the back). Not the roomiest of cars (i bumped my head HARD getten out of it today when i arrived to work). But man can that little thing move. So if u find an 03 srt-4 i would go with 1 of the other cars listed but if u find an 04 def get the srt-4 you wont regret it.

I currently own an 04 srt-4. I LOVE IT. Its alot faster then u would expect. If the Srt-4's your looken at are all 03s i would recomend the other cars but if u find an 04 def jump on it.

All '03 models come with the 7yr/70k mile factory powertrain warranty. Only the early '04 models come with that same warranty though. Dodge rolled it back to a 3yr/36k mile warranty in around March or April of '04. If you're car shopping this might be something worth checking into.

04s allready have the stage 1 mopar...

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No they don't. Both '04 and '05 SRT-4 models come from the factory with 577cm fuel injectors. The '03 model came with smaller injectors, but when you order the stage 1 kit for an '03 you get both a PCM and new 577cm fuel injectors. When you order the stage 1 kit for an '04/'05 SRT-4 the only thing you get in the kit is the new PCM since the bigger injectors are already in there. If you think an '04 or '05 SRT-4 already has stage 1 then you obviously haven't raced a stage 1 SRT-4. Stage 1 dramatically broadens the torque curve, increases boost levels, boost response, and basically makes the car come alive at about 800 less RPM's.

Stock SRT-4s are fast if you can launch FWD..otherwise they're slow as shit. I've seen people who can't launch FWD running high 14s, low 15s with them. And I've seen skilled drivers 13.6s. FWD kills that car.

they dont have power windows in the back? whats up with that?
Does anyone know what a stock 99 mustang GT runs or a 97 prelude?

Stock SRT-4s are fast if you can launch FWD..otherwise they're slow as shit. I've seen people who can't launch FWD running high 14s, low 15s with them. And I've seen skilled drivers 13.6s. FWD kills that car.

I know that one from expierience. Raced one with a new driver in it, and he didn't put more than a car length and a half, maybe two on me. Kept shiftin to early, and I actually took him on the launch. Then i raced one with a guy who knew what he was doing...yeah, it hurt. Bad.

Stock SRT-4s are fast if you can launch FWD..otherwise they're slow as shit. I've seen people who can't launch FWD running high 14s, low 15s with them. And I've seen skilled drivers 13.6s. FWD kills that car.

no way some one ran a stock srt-4 13.6

the fastest i have heard on even the srt4 forums is 13.8 with a VERY skilled driver

13.6 is a rumor i've been hearing quite often, dont beleive till i see

All '03 models come with the 7yr/70k mile factory powertrain warranty. Only the early '04 models come with that same warranty though. Dodge rolled it back to a 3yr/36k mile warranty in around March or April of '04. If you're car shopping this might be something worth checking into.



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No they don't. Both '04 and '05 SRT-4 models come from the factory with 577cm fuel injectors. The '03 model came with smaller injectors, but when you order the stage 1 kit for an '03 you get both a PCM and new 577cm fuel injectors. When you order the stage 1 kit for an '04/'05 SRT-4 the only thing you get in the kit is the new PCM since the bigger injectors are already in there. If you think an '04 or '05 SRT-4 already has stage 1 then you obviously haven't raced a stage 1 SRT-4. Stage 1 dramatically broadens the torque curve, increases boost levels, boost response, and basically makes the car come alive at about 800 less RPM's.


I know that they came with the bigger injectors but it also came with a reworked ECU (is that a PCM?). They did this cause the 03 models at high rpms would loose boost from lack of fuel. A friend of mine told me (along with you i believe) that Stage 1 was a waist on the 04 just go straight to the stage 2.

On a side note how do you think your evo would hold up to a 04 srt-4 from a roll. Played cat and mouse with an Evo a few days ago he didn't seem to pull on me at all. We are gunna do a few runs this saturday.

i've been doin a lot of research on this car.. bc im goin to try to get one this summer. the average 1320 time on this car is 14.1 if u can drive it good.
stage 1 is about 500 bucks and give u a decent amount of power.. after that u should be in the upper 13s.
stage 2 costs about 1500 and will give u a shit load of hp and a lot of different features like using high octane and advancin the timing and sprayin the intercooler with water. after stage 2 u should be in the low 13s.

Well, that's the fastest I've ever heard of one going. Stock 99+ GT mustangs average low 14s. Yet I've seen as fast as high 13s (very unlikely) and as slow as mid 14s to high 15s (noob shifters). 97 Type-SH Preludes run mid to high 15s.

i've been doin a lot of research on this car.. bc im goin to try to get one this summer. the average 1320 time on this car is 14.1 if u can drive it good.
stage 1 is about 500 bucks and give u a decent amount of power.. after that u should be in the upper 13s.
stage 2 costs about 1500 and will give u a shit load of hp and a lot of different features like using high octane and advancin the timing and sprayin the intercooler with water. after stage 2 u should be in the low 13s.

man you are gunna love the srt-4 as soon as u get it. You'll be immediately addicted to boost as am I.

GO WITH A 2002 MAXIMA! And this is why...you can get a 2002 maxima 6-speed with low miles and a nice interior for 12 grand...you will run mid 14s all day, plus you will have 4 doors with room to pack your friends in when you are just cruisin, and a nicely laid out interior...you can't get that stuff with an SRT-4 or a mustang GT...the VQ35 is one of the best engines out there right now...the 2000-2001s aren't as fast, and they are only marginally less expensive, so don't get one of them(even though I own one lol)...but if you are looking to go fast with style and comfort, can't go wrong with a 2k2 maxima SE.

I know that they came with the bigger injectors but it also came with a reworked ECU (is that a PCM?). They did this cause the 03 models at high rpms would loose boost from lack of fuel. A friend of mine told me (along with you i believe) that Stage 1 was a waist on the 04 just go straight to the stage 2.

On a side note how do you think your evo would hold up to a 04 srt-4 from a roll. Played cat and mouse with an Evo a few days ago he didn't seem to pull on me at all. We are gunna do a few runs this saturday.

ECU = PCM

As far as I know there's no truth to your friend's story of '03 models leaning out at high RPM. Where did he hear that?

Stage 1 for an '04 or '05 is absolutely not a waste of money. It really wakes up the car at lower RPM. Partial throttle boost is also improved. I loved it. With that mod alone I've seen some guys shave .3 - .5 off their 1/4 mile times too. Additionally, the stage 1 PCM runs the engine a little richer, so you can safely crank up an aftermarket wastegate and boost controller to 17lbs-18lbs. Stage 1 is a great platform. That being said...stage 2 blows it away. :iceslolan

I'm going to race my buddy's bone stock '04 SRT-4 from a roll in a few weeks. I'll post the results here.

Thanks a bunch for the info, Ive decided to either get a mustang or SRT-4, I think both are nice looking cars. Now all I gotta do is cut my girlfriend off of my wallet for about 5 months and Ill be on the road in no time.

Now all I gotta do is cut my girlfriend off of my wallet for about 5 months and Ill be on the road in no time.
Yeeeaaaahhh uhhhh....good luck with that :grinno:

Thanks a bunch for the info, Ive decided to either get a mustang or SRT-4, I think both are nice looking cars. Now all I gotta do is cut my girlfriend off of my wallet for about 5 months and Ill be on the road in no time.

Impossible G/F are surgically attached to your wallet, you will prolly need a pad lock and some welding tools.

the hell with that, i aint gotta spend money on my girl alll the dang time. she got a job she can take care of her self.

if a girl sticks by you only cause of money then she's worthless imo

lol its true that once u go boosted u never go back
ever since i got my wrx im never even gonna consider getting an n/a car, boost is SO addicting

hearing my turbo spooling and the bov sounding just makes me love it more...you know you're addicted when every paycheck you make gets cashed to buy new parts

...and you know you are in TROUBLE when every check you cash goes towards insurance :(

lol i feel your pain...insurance on the subby is 4 grand a year

My civic is 15 years old and I still pay 1200 a year. I guess its understandable though, whats the percentage that a 16 year old will crash in his/her first year of driving? Like 70% or something like that?

shit 4 grand...for comp or collision? Mine is 2 grand a year...okay so only HALF goes towards insurance and tires...the rest goes for gas and food...well underestimate me....I've gone through my first 5 years of driving, and no accidents...*knocks on desk*...so there is hope for you yet.

My insurance on the $30K Evo is cheaper than the $20K SRT-4. It's nuts, but apparently the SRT-4 has been flagged as a high risk car by a lot of insurers. My agent said that happens when there are a disproportionately high number of citations, collisions, and fatality accidents associated with a certain vehicle. She said her husband's '99 TransAm was the same way.

I've been told insurrance on S2000s and cobras is surprisingly low. Just throwing that out there. Those are two $30,000 sports cars. You'd think they'd have insane insurrance...

SRT-4 has high insurance? mite as well buy me a Eclipse GS-T Spyder and modify it so it can beat an SRT-4! hahahah...but damn, i didnt know that insurance on an Evo was lower than an SRT4?

before i paid my car off i was paying 600 a month for my 3000GT through geico now i pay 210 a month.

600 a month for insurance? Damn, I just got a quote for my 'new' VR4 and its 275/mo. I'm a 20 year old step 13 driver.

mmm boost, I once thought nothing of it but once you have it you won't want to go back the unique sound of a turbo/supercharger is great!

I saw an insurance survey mustang gt was number 1 SRT-4 number 2.

That must not be true for every state because my insurrance on a GT mustang and a mercedes is $1200/a year.

man insurance might be the only thing keepin me from gettin that damn srt-4. right now im payin 850 a year. full coverage. does anyone have any idea how much it could possibly go up?

Damn where do you guys live to have insurance that low, even my parents pay 300/mo combined and they're both the lowest step possible.

Baltimore, MD. Well hey man...that's expensive ass Lexington for you. The cheapest house is what? $700,000?

key west florida.. u cant rent a 1 bed room apartment for less then 1400 a month...however we dont have a winter and ive been goin to the beach for the past month.it has its ups and downs.

Yeah, don't get me started on real estate prices, I live in California, remember? My sister just bought a dinky ass 675 sq foot house in fucking OXNARD for christs sake in a pretty shitty ass neighborhood(she's lived there 3 weeks and has already had her car broken into)....anyways, she got it for $390,000......that much money would buy you a mansion almost anywhere outside of california.

lol its true that once u go boosted u never go back
ever since i got my wrx im never even gonna consider getting an n/a car, boost is SO addicting

hearing my turbo spooling and the bov sounding just makes me love it more...you know you're addicted when every paycheck you make gets cashed to buy new parts

Ohh man do i love to hear the turbo hiss, and couple that with a BOV... its heaven. Only prob is when i boost in my car my mpg goes WAY down. so normally i get like 11 -17 mpg depending on how i drive, and with premium gas at 2.11 a gallon boost is an expensive hobby.

Even though the srt-4 is rated at 23 city 30 highway i have yet for those numbers to appear. maybey i should remove the lead deposit in my foot.

stock they are a low -mid 14' second car ive see this with my own eyes all last summer i havent seen one in the 13's stock yet

the performance for the money cant be beat, if your considering only brand new cars, however it lacks many many things that many people like..... i would look into the cobalt ss s/c as well they have been tested to run a 14.5 with the lsd and they can out handle a srt4 anyday if the twisties are your thing, they also have much nicer interior, its a coupe but it has probley as much space in it as the srt4 unlike a camaro

if you want the most performance though then i say get the camaro SS as one would easly whoop any of these cars


but like i said if your looking at new cars look at the SRT4 or Cobalt SS S/C both Great cars for the money

hmmm you saw SRT-4s run mid 14s? Must have been oranguntan drivers, or was at Nepal's finest drag strip.

...i would look into the cobalt ss s/c as well they have been tested to run a 14.5 with the lsd and they can out handle a srt4 anyday if the twisties are your thing, they also have much nicer interior...

I've test driven an Ion Redline and it may have less body roll than a stock SRT-4, but the handling is comparable. Also, if you're going to say the SRT-4 is a low/mid 14 second car I have no problem with that...for most average drivers those are decent times...but to say in the next breath that the Cobalt SS has "been tested to run a 14.5" is the equivalent of saying the SRT-4 has been tested to run a 13.7...because (like the Cobalt SS/Ion Redline running a 14.5) that's the best magazine time I've seen. However chances are that if guys at your local track are running low/mid 14's in their stock SRT-4's, then those same guys would be lucky to see low 15's in a Cobalt SS or Ion Redline. The difference ns power (especially torque) between the SRT-4 and this new batch of GM supercharged 4 bangers is like night and day. You take one ride in an SRT-4, give it some gas, and it throws your shit back into the seat like a V8. The Ion Redline doesnt do that. It has less down low than the WRX even. To me it felt a lot like my old Spec V. In fact I could barely bust the tires loose with a 3500 RPM clutch drop on that Ion Redline. It's a totally different type of car regardless of what the magazines might claim. You put a bone stock SRT-4 against a bone stock Ion Redline or Cobalt SS and the Dodge will blow its fricken doors off. :iceslolan

In that group...the SRT-4 is the win.

Believe me I love Chevy,and I have have wet dreams about 55 chevys and 69 camaros (Im a muscle car guy at heart), but lately they have been going downhill...fast. They need to put the chevy ss in production or something...What type of the usual bolt ons or whatever would be needed to get a mustang GT into the high 12s? Does it handle mods well?

i really think GM did a great dop in designing the cobalt SS, i love that cars look. What im not impressed with is the engine. 205HP? come on! I also wish they used a different engine other than a destroked 2.2L ecotec. Why not wait till the 2.4L ecotec was ready then supercharger that bitch. That would prolly be close to 300HP. NOw that would be an awesome competitor for the Sti, SRT4, Evo, etc. But 205 HP with 12.6PSI just isnt what id look for in a car to tune/mod. Now what i think would kick ass, wait for the regulat Cobalt SS to come out, if it ever does. This will have the 2.4L ecotec motor that makes 170HP and Variable Vavle Timing (gms version of Vtec). Should have everything else the SC version has. BUt through a supercharger on that thing. . . .oh yeah.

i really think GM did a great dop in designing the cobalt SS, i love that cars look. What im not impressed with is the engine. 205HP? come on! I also wish they used a different engine other than a destroked 2.2L ecotec. Why not wait till the 2.4L ecotec was ready then supercharger that bitch. That would prolly be close to 300HP. NOw that would be an awesome competitor for the Sti, SRT4, Evo, etc. But 205 HP with 12.6PSI just isnt what id look for in a car to tune/mod. Now what i think would kick ass, wait for the regulat Cobalt SS to come out, if it ever does. This will have the 2.4L ecotec motor that makes 170HP and Variable Vavle Timing (gms version of Vtec). Should have everything else the SC version has. BUt through a supercharger on that thing. . . .oh yeah.

A four cyclinder engine just doesn't displace enough to justify the use of a SC instead of a TC. Superchargers are designed for V8 motors, not 4 bangers. Just my opnion. :screwy:

That beefy cobalt SS does sound nice, but the regular ss costs about 21k right? Thats just as much as a new SRT.

well some 4 cyls lack low end so the supercharger is welcome. but thats not talking performance, just dwrivability.

well some 4 cyls lack low end so the supercharger is welcome. but thats not talking performance, just dwrivability.

I would think a supercharger creates more parasitic low-end loss than a turbocharger. If there's one thing a V8 can generally afford to lose it's a few ft/lbs of torque under 2000 RPM's. I've seen the dynos on those Ion Redlines...they are torque-less wonders until you hit nearly 4,400 RPM's. I don't know if that's something the ECU limits or just the way superchargers work, but with a turbo charger you get a tremendous torque spike (the RPM depends on the type/size of the turbo) when the turbo spools because of the back pressure associated with that form of forced induction. Anyways this is gonna get towed to FI discussion if I'm not carefull :uhoh: but I just think GM picked a supercharger instead of a turbocharger because power delivery is far less violent on the drivetrain. If I was building a shitty motor/tranny and somebody asked me to FI the thing, I'd throw a SC on it rather than a TC because it's milder.

well i have a supercharged 4 banger. The engine naturally made alot of low end torque, it actually hits is torque max twice in the power powerband. 155lbs TQ @ 2400 RPMS and 4400 RPMS. With the addition of the supercharger i have around 200 lbs TQ, and trust me, it hits very early.

$2,500 will get the 05 GT mustang to run 12.4s. 99+ bolt ons to run high 12s... heads/cams/throttle body/intake plenum/drag radials/4.10s/exhaust/and last but not least..skill. In the end a bolt ons 99+ GT isn't really that great. These cars need FI.

$2,500 will get the 05 GT mustang to run 12.4s. 99+ bolt ons to run high 12s... heads/cams/throttle body/intake plenum/drag radials/4.10s/exhaust/and last but not least..skill. In the end a bolt ons 99+ GT isn't really that great. These cars need FI.

2,500 spent on an srt-4 in fuel upgrades and software upgrades and your definatly looken at a 12 sec car wiff some slicks. The Srt-4 responds extremely well to mods merely because dodge did all the hard work for you.They gave you the hard part(destroked engine + turbo) all u need is fuel injecters, software upgrades, and a boost controller.

Honestly though if u don't want boost, go for anything with an LS1. That LS1 is fricken amazing a friend of mine did bolt ons and a lil engine work and is deep into the 12s. LS1 = outa the box drag car.

lid/drag radials and LS1s can run high 12s. The only thing that has turned me against the SRT-4 is that it's FWD. I was considering buying one..but now I'm definitely not. RWD/AWD is where it's at.

lid/drag radials and LS1s can run high 12s. The only thing that has turned me against the SRT-4 is that it's FWD. I was considering buying one..but now I'm definitely not. RWD/AWD is where it's at.

Yeah the FWD factor def turns me off with all that horse power. In fact when i was looking at cars i was looking at Stang Gts 98+ TA 98 + Z28s Wrx's and the Srt-4. What made me choose the Srt-4 was 1) It has a turbo and i Love turbo cars. 2) i could get one with 4k miles for the same price i could find a gt, TA, z28 or WRX with 30+ thousand miles.

But i LOVE small cars with a nice chunk of power, and most cars like that are FWD. Hands down RWD is better then FWD if your accelling from a stop RWD has a huge advantage, if your excelarating from a roll RWD still has an advantage, and if you are going through a track RWD has the advantage of enducing overstear while FWD enduces the ohh so feared understear. Only thing FWD is better at is being more cost efficiant, getten power to the wheels, and driving in the rain.

Um..the only thing FWD is better at is driving in snow. And I guess the rain, too.

Um..the only thing FWD is better at is driving in snow. And I guess the rain, too.

don't forget drive train loss FWD is what 7-12 percent while rwd is 13-25%??????