v6 vs import 2 liter

how come a v6 mustang has less horse than, for example, a 2.0L acura rsx that has 210 hp while the mustang only has around 190 hp. what makes a smaller engine faster and get better gas mileage...is it the wieght? or is the jap engines flat out better??? can you do anything to make the v6 faster with out lowering your gas mileage? just looking to spank the imports..thanks

Bigger displacement doesn't always mean bigger horsepower numbers. Just look at the 79 trans ams with the 400sb. Sounds mean as all hell..but puts out a good 150hp. Weight has nothing to do with the horsepower number a car puts out. The V6 mustang wasn't buit to have power...that's why it doesn't have more than an RSX..which was built to be somewhat fast.

how come a v6 mustang has less horse than, for example, a 2.0L acura rsx that has 210 hp while the mustang only has around 190 hp. what makes a smaller engine faster and get better gas mileage...is it the wieght? or is the jap engines flat out better??? can you do anything to make the v6 faster with out lowering your gas mileage? just looking to spank the imports..thanks


There are 6 ways to make alot of horse power........


1) Big displacement
2) Forced Induction
3) High rpms
4) High compression
5) Exoctic fuel mixtures
6) Multiple cyclinders (meaning the more cyclinders the more power)


Honda uses high rpms to make the hp. Yes the 2.0L might make the 210 hp, but that's only part of the picture. You have to look at the gearing in a car and you also have to look at the Horsepower Curve, and Torque Curve as well as the weight of a car. You need to match all four of those items. that 210 hp engine would struggle in a mustang with the mustang gearing... because the Torque curve wouldnt match.


That RSX is light weight compared to the 3200~3600lbs mustangs. My 01 V6 weighed in at 3440lbs on the scales.

something to consider... how much does that acura cost? your mustang is relatively cheap, 17k or so. the mustang engine since it is bigger will have more potential for power not to mention it has a huge aftermarket. that v6 is actually pretty strong and it doesnt take a lot to get a good power increase. the mustangs v6 was made like it is due to marketing. see if ford gave that v6 270 hp which im sure they could if they really wanted then the GT engine would have to put out atleast 330 id say and then the prices of the car go through the roof. ford wants to have the cheaper sports car thing goin, it makes a lot of money. the good thing about what theyre doing though is that the cars are good in quality and they can have the shit modded out of them, really a lot of potential. and yeah idk u might but i bet that acura costs a lot of $$

The RSX Type-S is only about $20k.

oh well... its still more $$ then the stang lol. with that extra 2 or 3, maybe even just 1 grand you could get the stang well over 200 hp, and that was kinda what i was getting at. plus that 4 banger will never get the same kinda torque as that v6.

It's possible for a 4 cylinder to make high torque numbers...the STi makes 300hp and 300tq.

yeah but that car is 36k, and it makes those numbers with a turbo charger. slap that turbo on a mustang and look at its torque numbers, i didnt mean to imply they couldnt get torque, but the stang is a bigger displacement engine and it has two more cylinders. its going to be more capable of getting high torque numbers than the flat four in a STI

i have a I4 in my cavalier and i make around 200 lbs TQ. Once i get my smaller pulley im hoping to be making around 220lbs of TQ. And my torque line is extremly flat. My car when i got it used was 8,000 +2,000 dollar superhcharger package. I eat v6 mustangs for breakfast, and can hang with the v8s' Soon i will be beating the v8s, stock atleast.

Hey, Jayson. Glad to see you venturing in here. :) You need to get that trap speed up and get rid of that governor (it was you with a 105mph governor right?) if you wanna play with V8s. Atleast on the street.

once again... price... i got my 00 for 5k a year ago. the only reason yours is faster is because of the money put into it, my car kills a stock cavalier. if i put the 5k less that i spent into my engine ill be runnin over 300 hp and torque easy. i wasnt saying a 4 cant have torque.... but my 3.8 can have a lot more. thats all i was sayin, its not hard to comprehend. basic facts

I don't think $5,000 would put a V6 much over 300hp..If you get a cheap supercharger and run 9psi you might be around 280rwhp.

Hang around 3.8mustang.com a little more often. There is a fellow on there running 400rwhp(custom turbo setup by him) with stock internals, and under $5,000 invested. I think he might start selling the kits for about 6k, so that would only be 1k off of the Cavaliers mark, and would eat him, v6s, v8s, and the superchard Cobra V8 for breakfast. So Stang00 was right.

Then factor in all the other reinforcement, and then you're at $10,000.

i dont know how much you know about turbos... but the kit includes everything you need, so the cost wont be around 10k, and trust me ive looked into it a lot, i could do a lot with $5000

your underestimating the v6

your underestimating the v6

And you're overestimating it. If you think your stock V6 with nice powdered metal con rods, a cast crank, small 2-bolt mains, and a thin wall block will live reliably for a great length of time at 400 RWHP, you're flat out wrong. If it were that easy you would see a few more people buying V6's, bolting on turbo kits, and making an easy 400 RWHP, don't you think? :rolleyes:

3.8 liters are good engines, the super coupe engine put out 260hp and 330 trq stock. Thats pretty good and I think were only boosting 9-11psi, with an overdrive pulley and an exaust they would pull 360 torque no problem and be able to keep up with just about anything stop light to stop light.

How a 4cyl can make more horses than a V6 is pretty simple, better tuning. The 4cylinders they use just have an incredible volumetric effiency compared to the V6 in the stang, meaning they most are 16valve engines with aluminum heads thats flow exteremly well, with a decent flowing intake and a half decent exaust from the factory there isn't much restriction. Plus if you factor in the V-tech motors they make now with variable valve timing that increases the output of the engine by a tremendous amount when under heavy acceleration by adjusting timing and fuel maps but then when driving normally it adjusts them for economy so they can get 30mph. Your V6 is good, but american car company have been known to choke thier car for ages, take the 429 for example, back in the day those engines had great potential and could have been the best but ford put a restrictive exaust as well as a intake on them. Peopel would get them throw hedders on the with a decent exaust and a new carb and intake and those cars would really run, so if you do the same to your car, IE catback(duals preferably) better flowing cats, headers, a throttle body and a CAI, you should be able to keep up with almost all of the 4cyl out there, at least the NA ones. And all of that can be done for under 1500.

Making 400 rwhp on stock internals in a new 3.8 is not possible. You would probabaly need to boost around 14-17 psi to acieve those kind of numbers unless an incredible amount of top end work was done to the car. The moment you came up on that much boost on stock internals your rods are going to have fun breaking through your block. Plus for 5000-7000 you can proabably find supercharging kit that will give you a forged low compression bottom end and from a decent company, not some guy making his own kit out of junk yard turbos and spot welded manifolds. 400rwhp is attainable. Just not very likely on a bottom end... you'll either bend your crank, chuck a rod, or burn a hole in a piston if your timing is off.

I don't know how much you know about cars..but theres more than just the engine. Okay, so you make 400hp. Cool. Now is your rearend/tranny/axles/suspension going to be able to hold up after you push the throttle to the floor a couple times? And yeah..like boosted331 said. If it was that easy to do..then why would I have spent $17,000 on a GT mustang when I could get a V6 for $8,000 and that turbo for $5,000 and make 400hp?

ok so yeah i probably overestimated it some... probably got a lil defensive cause i have one. and yeah i did consider that the turbo kit wouldnt be reliable for a long period of time, im not that stupid, i just decided not to mention that lol. yeah i also know about what ur sayin about that 429, they used a tuned version of that in nascar back in the day. i also understand the whole thing with ohv engines compaired to sohc and dohc. now after all that said, 5 grand could definatly get a v6 over 300 hp. idk why we went off on that turbo thing that wasnt the point. and that guy with the cavalier said he had 200ft/lbs of torque with a SC. comon i have more than that stock already. so that kind of just proved my point. also for a 2v head the 3.8 head flows extremely well. its loosley based off of the cleveland head. and one of u were sayin the STI has 300 hp/tq. well the price difference there is huge, i could buy two mustangs for its price. my point was simply that the bigger displacement makes for more torque easier. now the ohv design may restrict that some to where the I4 engines might catch up some but the basic fact still remains that the 3.8 is much bigger. thats one reason i personally am really excited about the new 4.0 v6 in the 05 stang because it is a sohc which will probably mean it has more potential due to better technology. and even though i may have overestimated it, i still think u were underestimating it.

and i dont know shit about the 400hp thing im not even the one that brought that up, the mark i was pointing to was 300

the mustang v6 and the gt is the same car. the only difference is the engine, they have the same rearend/tranny/axles/suspension.

Hey guys I am not lying here. I told you that I read on another forum(3.8mustang.com) that a guy had a custom twin turbo setup running 400rwhp on stock internals, and no pp, or anything. He does not seem to be a compulsive liar or dumbass, but seems to really know whats going on. He claims to have run over 15 dyno runs for tuning(which is where the majority of the power came from) and a handful of track runs. Check this guy out for yourself under the "Power adder" section of their forums. He really doesn't seem to be bullshiting, but who knows.

To the non-believers
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[I]"This is a stock 3.8 bottom end, no ported heads, stock cam. 93 octane pump gas. Through an automatic (higher losses than 5spd cars).

I drove the car 100 miles up to Reinharts in Jax so I could tune my car on his dyno. I was there several weeks ago but wanted to change my maf setup so it sampled smoother. Dennis has a Dynojet with some nice features, it has an extremely accurate WBO2, it can log boost and air temp.

I started out with no boost controller, the wastegates opened at 2900rpms and made about 9-10psi of boost, boost crept up to around 11.5psi by redline. After tuning the car made 351rwhp/373rwtq.
Then I hooked up the manual boost controller (ball and spring). With some tuning it made 399rwhp/434rwtq @ 14psi, at the higher boost level the turbos did not fully spool until 3400rpms, and held 14psi until 6000.

Engine temps stayed at 160 with the stock rad, intake air temps were ambient (65F) + 4 to 6* rise during the runs, the huge intercooler I built works great. 93 oct pump gas. Motorcraft AWSF-22C plugs gapped at .035, stock plug wires, stock ignition. 42lb injectors.

I will make another post with pics and specs on the Twin Turbo setup I built.

After I get my new Dynojet set up and make some tweaks to my fuel system I plan on taking things further. I have some little ideas that may result in making more power. Right now my fuel pump is on the edge."
I don't know about you guys, but I believe the man...

Has he posted pictures of his twin turbo V6?

No, not that I know of, just those dyno sheets.

Then it's possibly BS.

Right, I guess I would just like to think that it could make that kind of power(not that I own one). I check in there periodically just to read, so I will keep an eye out for more evidence, or better yet, pictures. I think I remember him saying that he was going to start selling them on there too though... can't remember, but will check back.

Oh yeah, the V6 mustang has a 7.5" rearend and different axles that I know of. I'm not really sure about the suspension. But yes...they do share the TR-3650..as does the Mach 1/05s.

ya if u cant get 120 hp with 5000 bux then u must get ripped off everywhere a pick up a used vortech for 2gs and blaou ur there then throw in cams p&p chip exhaut BAM surpassing 300 o ya nos is only 500 bux now i think its safe to say u could be at 400 easily it could very easily be done

the mustang v6 and the gt is the same car. the only difference is the engine, they have the same rearend/tranny/axles/suspension.


Not quite........
the tranny's are not the same model. The rear end on the V6 uses a 7.5inch housing but the axle shafts are the same. the V6's also don't have quad shocks and T-loc. The springs are also different.

ya if u cant get 120 hp with 5000 bux then u must get ripped off everywhere a pick up a used vortech for 2gs and blaou ur there then throw in cams p&p chip exhaut BAM surpassing 300 o ya nos is only 500 bux now i think its safe to say u could be at 400 easily it could very easily be done

Ok, you must be right. All you need is some cams, P&P heads, a blower, and some juice and he'll be at 400 RWHP no prob

well u havent proved me wrong so let me prove to u im right

cam-$250 30hp
P&P-$150 a head 20hp
diablo chip $300 20hp
CAI-$40 5hp
exhaust-$300 10hp
blower-$2500 65hp
tune it all correctly-$150 5hp

hmm seems to add up to 3490 + tax 174.5 =$3664.5
and HP seems to add up to 155HP

that leaves $1335.5
so lets get a 10# bottle of NOS thats about 100hp and its around $500 so now we have $835.5 left plus a mustang with 155hp more and when we feel the need at the touch of a button add 100hp more
so thats 305 hp no nos and 405 hp with NOS
wasnt the goal to have 300 hp on a budget of $5000?...ya

so i am right
so leave the mustang forums and take ur civic and stick up ur cornhole

V6 manuals have the same tranny as the GT...it's the TR-3650. And Choppa6.7 watch yourself. You don't need to be so disrespectful to him.

i little too much sarcasim for me he shouldnt tell a mustang owner he could be wrong with no background of the car hes talking about no hard feelings

well u havent proved me wrong so let me prove to u im right

cam-$250 30hp
P&P-$150 a head 20hp
diablo chip $300 20hp
CAI-$40 5hp
exhaust-$300 10hp
blower-$2500 65hp
tune it all correctly-$150 5hp

hmm seems to add up to 3490 + tax 174.5 =$3664.5
and HP seems to add up to 155HP

that leaves $1335.5
so lets get a 10# bottle of NOS thats about 100hp and its around $500 so now we have $835.5 left plus a mustang with 155hp more and when we feel the need at the touch of a button add 100hp more
so thats 305 hp no nos and 405 hp with NOS
wasnt the goal to have 300 hp on a budget of $5000?...ya

so i am right
so leave the mustang forums and take ur civic and stick up ur cornhole

A) Go fuck yourself.
B) There's a 408 SBF that I built sitting in my garage, so don't think I know nothing about Ford's.

You arn't going to get good ported heads for 300 bucks, nothing is EVER going to be as simplistic as you tried it to put it out there, and you arn't going to make a reliable 400 RWHP out of your sixer for 5 grand, period.

What about injectors? Fuel pump? New Clutch? Rear End? Torque boxes for when they tear apart? sub frames? headers and exhaust? A+ smart guy, just because I own a honduh right now doesn't mean I'm not smarter than you. Go build a real car, then come tell me you'll put it together for 4 grand and it'll be that easy and straight up.

Though he deserved it, theres really no need for A), turboek. And yes, you're right. When you're building a high performance car all kinds of random shit jumps out. Because first of all..the car itself may not be in pristine order and it might need spark plugs/head gaskets/clutched/etc. So it's not like theres just one tried and true recipe for going fast. Theres guidelines...but it doesn't always work 100%.

damnit lol... stop arguing about 400hp, thats a whole nother level from 300, and yes its possible but its a lot harder and youd probably be better off getting a v8 anyway. my argument on this started when that cavalier guy said he has 200 torque with a turbo or SC i forget which one. now the newer v6 has more than that anyway so thats kinda sad cause he paid 5 grand more for his car, that was the point i was makin, and i said with that 5 grand i could get my car over 300hp easy, thats realistic. 400... well thats different, if its possible its hard to do and youd be pushin it money wise. plus with 400 or more hp youd probably have to invest in some new parts to drive the car. like torque boxes and a rear end. However when trying to reach 300, a good SC with stock parts will come close to 300hp.then you have plenty of $$ still to get it over the hump without to much trouble.

i dont think i was shootin for 400 i said with nos u can have 400 i made the 300 and yes you can use stock internals and have 300 horses so lets not get nos and buy sum injectors $200 and t-loc AND gears installed for $500 cuz the 7.5 rear is a well made part and get a fuel pump those arent expensive i did mention exhaust the 3.8 headers are very good headers and after aftermarkets wont show that much of an improvement for wat they are worth and subframes are 50 bux soooooo ne thing else u want to add be my guest

damnit lol... stop arguing about 400hp, thats a whole nother level from 300, and yes its possible but its a lot harder and youd probably be better off getting a v8 anyway. my argument on this started when that cavalier guy said he has 200 torque with a turbo or SC i forget which one. now the newer v6 has more than that anyway so thats kinda sad cause he paid 5 grand more for his car, that was the point i was makin, and i said with that 5 grand i could get my car over 300hp easy, thats realistic. 400... well thats different, if its possible its hard to do and youd be pushin it money wise. plus with 400 or more hp youd probably have to invest in some new parts to drive the car. like torque boxes and a rear end. However when trying to reach 300, a good SC with stock parts will come close to 300hp.then you have plenty of $$ still to get it over the hump without to much trouble.

HP isnt what i care about, its 1320 time. And my 1320 time smashes a stock V6 mustang with the same amount of HP.

well ur car is lighter, thats kinda obvious. but u still make the same hp with all that much more money in it... that was my point.

all that much more money? I paid 10,500 total and i can beat on v6 mustangs that at the time i was buying my car, sold used for about 11,000-12,000. And who wants a V6 mustang anyways, just so ricers can try a race me all day?

who are calaliers better then mustangs.and who wants a mustang? i see 15 v6 mustangs for every cavalier i see

why*

are you kidding... cavaliers are all over the place, slow cheap and retarded. way more people have cavaliers than mustangs, i cant believe u even said that. a lot of people do have v6 mustangs though no doubt about it but the cavalier is almost as comon as the neon. and when did u get ur car? i got mine a year ago for 5grand, so that means it was 4 yrs old. not even that if u look at the production sticker. if the ones u were lookin at costs 11-12 then u were lookin in the wrong place...

HP isnt what i care about, its 1320 time. And my 1320 time smashes a stock V6 mustang with the same amount of HP.

I noticed in your sig you have
[b]
-2001 2.4L Z24 Supercharged-
-1/4 Mile 14.7@91 MPH 2.068 60Ft-
-My Car Domain-[b]
Your times are really not all that smashing.......


My 3rd time out in my 01 V6, still bone stock 04/05/2002 (I have driven other V6's at the raceway)

1st run I pulled a [email protected] with a 2.188 60ft
2nd run I pulled a [email protected] with a 2.013 60 Ft
3rd run I pulled a [email protected] with a 2.009 60 Ft
4th run I pulled a [email protected] with a 1.978 60 Ft
5th run I pulled a [email protected] with a 2.089 69 Ft
Car weighed 3329lbs with full tank, and not stripped, or gutted, it has everything in it that came with the car.

On 04/06/2002, I dynoed the car at 172.8rwhp and 206.8ft-lbs to the wheels bone stock, comming right off the freeway 168miles from sacramento to the bay area at the Mustang Ranch. I exceeded the speed limited on more than one occasion. I arrived and had to wait about 10 minutes for them to get the car tied down at 11:30 in the morning. My car had 16489miles on the OD and was over due for the 4th oil change. I has the El-cheapo gas and paper air filter( that didn't get change durring the 3rd oil change)

On the way back from the dyno, I was cruising back, did a bit of hot dogging of the car. Miss-shifted from 5th to 1st blew the crap out of the clutch. On 04/12/2002 received my Tax return of $3482.

on 04/13/2002 placed order to various aftermarket supplies.....

Ordered
FRPP 3:73's and T-loc
FRPP Aluminum Drive shaft
Spec Stage 2 Clutch with lightweight pressure plate option
Spec Billit Aluminum Flywheel
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
Steeda Clutch Quadrant
Steeda Firewall Adjuster
Mac Quasi Duel Exhaust
ASP Under Drive Pulley
Mac Cold Air intake
Maximum Motorsports CC plates
Eibach Pro Kit
I installed everything myself.

Ported and polished the upper and lower intake myself.

Then I bought a 65mm throttle body, and bought a Superchip, had it custome programmed, to correct speedo, tweak the fuel/air ratio and bump the RPM limiter to 6300rpms and bumped the top speed limiter to 135mph.

05/04/2002 went to sac raceway again...

1st run Pulled a [email protected] with a 1.989 60 Ft.
2nd run pulled a [email protected] with a 1.999 60 Ft.
3rd run pullde a [email protected] with a 2.101 60 ft
4th run pulled a [email protected] with a 2.119 60 Ft
5th run pulled a [email protected] with a 1.987 60 Ft
6th run pulled a [email protected] with a 1.962 60 ft

Not good times at all.......but a 4/10ths improvement from april.

Still no blower, no NOS, and no Turbo.
Now make your car weigh 3329 lbs with the same gearing and tell me if your going to pull the same times.

are you kidding... cavaliers are all over the place, slow cheap and retarded. way more people have cavaliers than mustangs, i cant believe u even said that. a lot of people do have v6 mustangs though no doubt about it but the cavalier is almost as comon as the neon. and when did u get ur car? i got mine a year ago for 5grand, so that means it was 4 yrs old. not even that if u look at the production sticker. if the ones u were lookin at costs 11-12 then u were lookin in the wrong place...are u crazy so many more people have mustangs then cavaliers.the mustang is 1 of the most popular cars.

are u crazy? the cavalier is a cheap fuel effiecient car. people without large budgets buy them all the time, that car and the neon are all over the place atleast in my area, hell i even had one at one time myself. and half of my friends have all had one too. its also one of the most popular cars for parents to buy their kids that just got their liscense. you probably notice the mustangs more because you have one, that does tend to happen. like i never saw any avengers out on the road until my bro got one, then i noticed them all the time.

i dont know that has a cavalier i havent even see anybody at my school with a cavalier but mustangs r probaly more popular in flordia.the v6 mustangs r also cheap and have decient gas milage

all that much more money? I paid 10,500 total and i can beat on v6 mustangs that at the time i was buying my car, sold used for about 11,000-12,000. And who wants a V6 mustang anyways, just so ricers can try a race me all day?
I spent $8100 on my car. Mustang Gt. I eat mustang v6s and z24s all day (Obvious), I havnt encountered a s/c z24, but I dont think id have a problem. One you put in you new pulley you will be over 10.5k (about what you speant now). For the extra 2.4k I can be deep into 13s/scrapping 12s.

All I have to say is, to each his own. If he wants to spend his money on a cavalier, go ahead. Doesn't bother me none. Just don't bother us. If you don't like mustangs, don't come in the forum. I don't go trolling around the honda, chevy, or any other boards for that matter. I stick to the Mustang board and cars in general. I don't see the point in reading about cars I don't like and never will. Let alone posting about them. You have to realize coming into a car's forum that you arent going to convince anyone that their car sucks, unless they already hold that opinion. If I like a car or dislike a car that you don't/do, its not my problem and its not yours.

I also agree that there is no cheaper way to go fast than an american pony car. Cheap as dirt since there are so many of them, already come with very decent, big displacement engines that have unparalleled aftermarket support, and RWD.

are u crazy? the cavalier is a cheap fuel effiecient car. people without large budgets buy them all the time, that car and the neon are all over the place atleast in my area, hell i even had one at one time myself. and half of my friends have all had one too. its also one of the most popular cars for parents to buy their kids that just got their liscense. you probably notice the mustangs more because you have one, that does tend to happen. like i never saw any avengers out on the road until my bro got one, then i noticed them all the time.


For what I can tell, Alot of the young people here drive civic's, lancer's, Focus ZX3's, low end BMW's, Foxbody and up mustangs. 350's. Saturns's, Mazda's MX-3's, Jeeps, Camaro's Firebirds( but those are becomming fewer and fewer) Small SUV's in general. WRX's, SCion TC's. and celica's. I also think the average age of cars in my area is about 5 years old. I see alot of trucks and SUV's that tend to be older.

I rarely see the Normal Neon's, Tercel's Cavalier's, Escorts, Hyundai's in general except I do see alot of the Tiburon's. I also rarely see any Kia's or Daewoo's or Geo's. Now if I was to drive to the old parts of the town, then I tend to see those cars I listed above. Or if I go to WALMART I see those cars and old cars that are from the 80's. Typically the cars are beat, or not in good condition.

Cars that I have not seen in like forever, the Hyundai exells's, Geo Storms. Ford Escorts, Chevy Corsica's, Yugo's, Daihatsu's, Eagle's and Daewoo's.

well i live in ohio, and there are a lot of cavaliers around here lol trust me, one of my friends actually came over tonight to use some of my tools to change his sparkplugs on his cavalier. a lot of them are older ones to. the neons are slowly dieing out though and they were being replaced by cavaliers, now it seems like people around my area are starting to get civics a lot more. im talking mostly high school kids. now you do see mustangs everywhere definatly, but never a great abundance in one area from my experience, like i said theres two at my highschool (1200 students). and ill see one or two from other highschools if i visit them. but yeah civics are starting to overpopulate everything. but i think its kinda retarded to argue if a mustang or cavalier is faster... the mustang is obviously, the cavalier is an economy car, and that 4cyl in it isnt very good. i got another friend with a cavalier and he has put tons of money into body work and apperance and it actually looks pretty cool, but he bitches about it a lot now because its still not that fast. he actually wants to get a mustang GT now, thing about them is they already look really great without anything done to them and they are pretty fast.

How the fuck did this turn into a Cavalier Vs Mustang comparison? Next you guys will be arguing about whats better..apples...or like..fucking grapes or something. Cool it guys. V6 mustangs, cavaliers, civics, neons, whatever else you guys said are all slow. Now STFU.

I'd like to know what type of turbo,wastegate, cooler,heatsheild is used in this kit and at what psi. I'd also like 2 know how long the motor would last on the stock internals? hmmm no forged crank or pistons that would be cool but you would have 2 run at low boost. it might be cheaper and easier 2 have a rearmount turbo. I was just asking 2 learn more about this, my friend has 3.8 stang.

ahh this is what i was aking about---------v
Hang around 3.8mustang.com a little more often. There is a fellow on there running 400rwhp(custom turbo setup by him) with stock internals, and under $5,000 invested. I think he might start selling the kits for about 6k, so that would only be 1k off of the Cavaliers mark, and would eat him, v6s, v8s, and the superchard Cobra V8 for breakfast. So Stang00 was right.

How the fuck did this turn into a Cavalier Vs Mustang comparison? Next you guys will be arguing about whats better..apples...or like..fucking grapes or something. Cool it guys. V6 mustangs, cavaliers, civics, neons, whatever else you guys said are all slow. Now STFU.


dude chill and relax........ we're not tossing insults in here. It's been pretty decent and well behaved.

Now let me go start my GT up and feel the torque again.:)

Mm, torque.

Now let me go start my GT up and feel the torque again.:)

Mm, torque.
These guys read my mind!

i didnt get a mustang cause i couldnt afford the insurnace on it. Im 20 and have a drinking and driving charge. Also at the time i was car shopping, v6 mustangs in the 2000+ model were about 12,000-13,000. I like mustangs, they are great american muscle cars without a doubt. The new ones make me cream my jeans everytime i see one. I didnt think the v6 mustangs were that fast stock, i nevr had a problem with one. Also my car is an AUTOMATIC. If i had a stick id be mid to low 14's. I just added a B&M shiftplus kit that should shave .1-.3 tenths of a second off my 1320, it was 40 bucks.