Death by SE-R

So this new guy starts at my work with a 2003 sentra se-r. I've been wanting to race him for a week or so but we never left at the same time in order to do so... until tonight. I'm driving a 2000 eclipse gt with intake and a catback and the sentra has only a catback. He pulls out onto a two lane road that is slightly uphill and I follow. He waits will we are about even at around 25 mph and we both gun it in second. He pulls about a car through second and ends up about a car and a half to two cars ahead until we were staying even from 65 to 75 when I shut down cause I knew I couldn't win.

All in all those sentras are pretty quick cars. I didn't think I'd lose by that much but I guess since the sentra is like 350 pounds lighter he had a pretty big advantage from the start. Oh well, just more motivation to save up for a turbo.

cool stuff, not many people post about their loses.


They also have pretty short gearing, so their short game is pretty good. But from what I've been told by people who drive them is that their not so hot in their top end.

You might have a better chance from a higher roll.

Maybe next time I'll see if he wants a to do a highway run. I'd have to talk to him ahead of time though cause that kid drives so fast that he's gone before I can change my boots for regular shoes. lol.

haha

Eclipeses are slow as hell...No offence but...They suck...Anyways, I think you might stand a chance from about a 60 roll...Possably not because they are a 6 speed...

Eclipeses are slow as hell...No offence but...They suck...Anyways, I think you might stand a chance from about a 60 roll...Possably not because they are a 6 speed...


Yeah, but we're not here to comment on how other people's rides "suck." There are quite a few slower cars on this forum than an Eclipse GT, including V6 Mustangs. So, if he finds someone that's close to his car performancewise...

Just STFU noob. They're not the fastest thing, but they're not the slowest either. Just because you drive a Camry and it feels like a boat doesn't mean that you have to rip on other people's rides. Some people like those cars, some people like you like to sail.

Eclipeses are slow as hell...No offence but...They suck...Anyways, I think you might stand a chance from about a 60 roll...Possably not because they are a 6 speed...

then what? you think your camry is fast or something?

im willing to bet hes never even ridden in an eclipse, let alone driven one. you know what? people like you SUCK

I think they suck because there is much faster cans for the money...I have ridden in one...I have driven one...They are not that fast...I don't drive a camry by choice...Im looking at cars to get...Just so you all know Its my dad's car...He put 30,000 miles on it in one year...Then got a new job and they pay for a rental car so he never uses the camry...Yeah...Im 20...I still live with my parents...Shoot me? And Um... a SE-R weighs about 2,600 pounds...and has 175 horse...and 180 torque...A eclipse weighs like 3,200 pounds and has 200 horse and 200 torque...6 speed vs 5 speed...Ok guys, Whatever, I wouln't dis others rides...

No need to come in here trying to rip on someone's car. I drive a Civic, and of course everyone seems to have a problem with them because they are known to be "ricers". But given the right driver, and someone who knows what they are doing with their car, any car can be made to be fast as your camry.

Most people in this forum tend to hold their tongues when it comes to saying another's car sucks because they don't like it. It's usually the noobs who come in here saying dumb shit like that. So in future posts, if you can remain here that long, don't start shit like that again.

As for evil6remlin, good death. Red stated that most people don't like to post their losses, and it's true, glad you can accept a loss. Hope you get your chance at a Highway run with him. I'd like to hear what happens in the future if you do. Late...

i dont mind losing unless if the guy is an asshole. then ill get really pissed. but like one time i lost to this guy in a mazdaspeed protege ( in my sentra) and i talked to him later and he was really cool. so i didnt mind at all.

and nice death,good to hear that sentra's are actually winning out there.

I think they suck because there is much faster cans for the money...I have ridden in one...I have driven one...They are not that fast...I don't drive a camry by choice...Im looking at cars to get...Just so you all know Its my dad's car...He put 30,000 miles on it in one year...Then got a new job and they pay for a rental car so he never uses the camry...Yeah...Im 20...I still live with my parents...Shoot me? And Um... a SE-R weighs about 2,600 pounds...and has 175 horse...and 180 torque...A eclipse weighs like 3,200 pounds and has 200 horse and 200 torque...6 speed vs 5 speed...Ok guys, Whatever, I wouln't dis others rides...

Didn't see this. Alright, what if thats what he could afford. Besides that's his interest not yours. What kind of nerve do you have that says you can tell him his car sucks. Your driving "Daddies" car. Most in this forum drive their own cars, which they paid for, not some ride that daddy doesn't use. And oh I'm sorry most of us can't afford a newer car, but we drive what we can afford, and what we like. Get lost noob. Once again, shit like that doesn't need to be in here. Late...

Great? Want me to go blow your car? You know what...Im not just going to leave cause you act like asses to new people...I Wouln't dis others cars in the future...Ok?

Despite the overuse of the word "suck" in the particular thread, nice death. And the V6 eclipses aren't "slow", I don't know what kind of crack everyone is smoking here...I drove a 2001 GT-S convertible with the autostick thingy, and it was relatively quick, had a lot of torque, if not a lot of top-end power...there is no shame in losing to an SE-R, those are pretty quick pocket rockets.

Great? Want me to go blow your car? You know what...Im not just going to leave cause you act like asses to new people...I Wouln't dis others cars in the future...Ok?

Yes, blow my car :rolleyes: Your sorry, you know that? Everyone here is entitled to their opinions based on street racing. Saying someone's car sucks is just plain ignorant. I can tell you, practically everyone in here doesn't appreciate some ass spouting off his mouth about what he thinks of someone's specific car. Drop this issue, move on, and improve your attitude towards everyone in here. Or you won't be staying here very long. Trust me on that, I've seen it happen all too often. So don't push it, and leave it at that. Late...

Great? Want me to go blow your car? You know what...Im not just going to leave cause you act like asses to new people...I Wouln't dis others cars in the future...Ok?



I've read all 61 posts of yours.



You just like to start trouble, you don't have what's called 'tact'. You can't say something without being 'flameful' about it. Yes that's a word. I made it up, it's a word now.

In other words, you're an asshole.

Keep it up, and I'll be visiting this screen very soon.
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LOL, can I find that in the Redneck dictionary before PWNED?

How come I'm the only one on topic in this thread? Damned thread hijackers :D...How come I don't get one of those screens, Red?...wait that could be interpreted two ways...nevermind.

Wow this thread went to hell. Ricesucks, I could really care less if you think my car sucks or that it is slow to you. I never said that it was the fastest and greatest car in the world. I like it and that's all that matters.

Everyone else, thanks for the responses and I'll keep you updated if I can get a highway run in.

nice death

Hey what's up with this guy?? I drive a 2000 eclipse GT and i have beaten some SE-R's, in my opinion its all about the driver in this race. The Sentra is in no way a faster car than my car. Oh and the 2000 eclipse weighs 3053lbs has 205 hp and 205 torque. My car is in no way a fast car, i would say quick. It's a mid to low 15's car with some peeps who have gotten them as low as high 14's stock.

I started off with a pearl 93 3000gt and downgraded to an 03 eclipse gt. Downgraded meaning I enjoyed driving the 3000gt much more.

This doesn't make the 3g eclipse gt's slow cars by any means, even though they unfortunately don't make enough power to suite their displacement very much. From a stop i've noticed these cars are horrid, hell I can still see a 4banger honda's nose in my window anywhere up to 40. Try a roll, these things make the most up in the higher rpm range and thats where you could give the se-r a hard run.
2cents.

Cool to see that Sentras are actually fast. I had no idea. Where I live, Sentras are called Sunnys (kind of funny name for a car I think) and they don't have the fast version (SE-R I guess it would be).

actually if i remember right...he is talkin about the SE-R...not the SE-R Spec V...which
is 165 horses...not 175...and the spec V is slightly lighter too...not MUCH difference...but just a little...

The thing must be really light to be 'fast' with only 165 or 175 hp! How much does it weigh? 0-60?

I'm confused! so confused. I hand SE-R SpecV's thier ass all day long, between the Focus SVT, the Mazdaspeed Protoge and the SE-R, I think the SE-R is the slowest, unless by some force of nature i ran into the 8 worst SE-R divers in the city, I have alot more trouble putting inches on a Eclipse GT.
is your GT auto or something? how come you lost to that car?
what are the stock 1/4 times for the SE-R Spec V and the Eclipse GT?

I think they suck because there is much faster cans for the money...I have ridden in one...I have driven one...They are not that fast...I don't drive a camry by choice...Im looking at cars to get...Just so you all know Its my dad's car...He put 30,000 miles on it in one year...Then got a new job and they pay for a rental car so he never uses the camry...Yeah...Im 20...I still live with my parents...Shoot me? And Um... a SE-R weighs about 2,600 pounds...and has 175 horse...and 180 torque...A eclipse weighs like 3,200 pounds and has 200 horse and 200 torque...6 speed vs 5 speed...Ok guys, Whatever, I wouln't dis others rides...


yeah but a REAL eclipse like mine rules. i wouldn't have to worry about a sentra se-r beating me. especialy from a roll

spec v should be about 15.4 the eclipse gt should be about 15.2 or so but im not that sure.

yeah but a REAL eclipse like mine rules. i wouldn't have to worry about a sentra se-r beating me. especialy from a roll
What exactly do you mean by REAL eclipse? This should be good...

I think he means his a turbo...and faster? Mabye teh older models are real to him?

YES the older eclipse's are "real". omg turbo dsm!! duh. my gst has sooo much more power than a 3rd gen eclipse. and i get the power faster at lower rpms because of the turbo.

what i ment is that most dsm eclipse guys don't consider the 3rd gen worth the metal its made of. they took out the turbo and awd option, and made it have the styleing of a chick car. sorry but its the one car that a lot of people say the old ones are better than the new.

YES the older eclipse's are "real". omg turbo dsm!! duh. my gst has sooo much more power than a 3rd gen eclipse. and i get the power faster at lower rpms because of the turbo.

what i ment is that most dsm eclipse guys don't consider the 3rd gen worth the metal its made of. they took out the turbo and awd option, and made it have the styleing of a chick car. sorry but its the one car that a lot of people say the old ones are better than the new.
Maaayn you forgot the disclaimer!

You seem relatively new here so welcome. But no need to attack someone's car with that. So you can use my solution to the "i got something to say" problem....the disclaimer.

DISCLAIMER:this is my own personal opinion, not to be misconstrued as a fact or even theory, as said notion implies no in-depth knowledge of the subject at hand.

man i should copyright that.

A turbo dsm was actually my first choice for a car back when i was looking but I missed a couple opportunities and then when i found my gt I had a deal I couldn't pass up. I too think that Mitsubishi messed up when they got rid of the turbo as well as the awd.

That said I think the 3 liter engine has a lot of potential when done up right and that the 3g eclipse's are just as good as the 2nd gens.

I'm gonna go after the sentra again and see if the loss was because the car is just faster than mine (which doesn't seem to be the case as other people have posted that the 3g gt can beat one) or that the other guy is a better driver than me.

Mitsubishi didn't mess up. That's what the Evo is for :biggrin: . Plus I think they look better than the Eclipse, and are overall better too. Late...

YES the older eclipse's are "real". omg turbo dsm!! duh. my gst has sooo much more power than a 3rd gen eclipse. and i get the power faster at lower rpms because of the turbo.

the 2nd gen Eclipse has 200 hp the 3 rd gen has 200hp.............how does yours have sooooooo much more power?
I do agree though if its not a AWD 4G63 eclipse then it should just be ignored but hey thats just my opinion!

Disclaimer: this is only my opinion and should only be taken as such an opinion with no professional or aproved backing of any kind. anyone who owns half an eclipse with FWD and running on a dodge motor which is really nothing more then a tinie tiny chick car living in the former glory and shadow of its older wayyyyyyyyyyy faster brother the first gen eclipse and who has a slight penis envy of its younger brother the 3rd gen who has way more motor should not take personal offense!

on autotrader...where i got the info on the engine specs...the SE-R Spec V says 0-60 in 7.5...at 2710lbs

the 2nd gen Eclipse has 200 hp the 3 rd gen has 200hp.............how does yours have sooooooo much more power?
I do agree though if its not a AWD 4G63 eclipse then it should just be ignored but hey thats just my opinion!


well you are wrong. 3g has 200 hp 205 torque, 2g has 210 hp, 220 torque. the 2g with a turbo weights 2767lbs, and the eclipse gt weighs 3241 lbs. so power to weight ratio is apparent and obvious.

the turbo 2g has non linear accelteration. if you know anything about turbos you understand what this is. basicly and very simplifed in a turbo car when you spool the turbo (at about 3k rpms on 2g turbo) you start to get more hp out of proportion to the rpms. meaning basily more power faster and on lower rpms. i don't have to wait until 6k rpms to hit good power.

end result is this 3g eclipse GT 0-60= 7.2 1/4 mile = 15.6
2g eclipse gst (not awd) 0-60= 6.4 1/4 mile = 14.9

the turbo also results in making it much easyer to get performance gains cheaper and quicker. because of the forced air flow any air flow mods like intakes exhaust etc have a much greater affect.

oh here we go again with dsmer's hating on the 3g eclipses. :tongue:
well i agree with you on some things, the 2g is a better car for modifying and of course its a little faster(duh your cars come with a turbo). Put a turbo on a 3g and then we'll see. oh and by the way you put up the highest 1/4 mile you could have found for the 3g its more like a 15.3 ha its still .3 well that is for a 2000 eclipse gt, after 2000 they got 200hp and weigh almost 200lbs more than the 2000.

wow this thread hits all kinds of silly marks. first off, nice race, nice loss, go for it on the highway youll have a better chance.
second, stop ripping on other peoples cars. this day and age you can make anything go faster than anything, you just have to know what you are doing and have the fundage to do it.
as for the comment about the civic, ya they suck i can say that cause i own one.

now as for the dsm, they suck too, ha ha ha. you wanna talk about faster power quicker. check out the dyno on my stock 160k mile lt1
it gets 295 ftlbs tq at 1500rpms and holds that till redline. its like a table.
your turbo will never get that. i dont ever have to wait for power, you said it yourself you have to wait till 3k rpms.

and yes your eclipse is a chick car as much as a golf. its more a chicks car than the new ones. so dont talk smack

anything else?

my car is so NOT a chick car!!! i resent that!!!

i'm not hating on anyones car, i'm sure is car is nice, newer and worth more than mine. All i'm saying is the DSM community HATES the 3g eclipse. Most of my DSM club thinks they are jokes.

So wait, You all dis his gen of eclipse...but i say they suck and I get flamed for it? :wink:

Yep, everyone here is pointing out the facts, and specs on his car. And including the other Gen's of Eclipses. No flaming whatsoever on his car. Well, except the "chick car" comment. But you just flat out came in and said they suck. Who are you to come in a say what sucks.

The guys commenting happen to know the specs on the Eclipse. What do you know about them? HMMMM....They suck? They're slow? Huh, tell me? They are all stating facts, and debates are welcome in this forum. No flaming. Unless you can actually debate with these guys and throw in some USEFUL knowledge about the Eclipse other than your previous comments about the Eclipse. Hope you can understand, and I am stating what can and can't be done here. Late...

the only reason i used the "chick car" comment is cause 90% of them are owned by girls. those and jettas alike.

if you dont believ me, try it out. next time you are driving down the street and see one, drive up to it and look into the window.

on another completly irrelevant but funny note. in need for speed underground, the opening video is a hot chick driving a 2nd gen eclipse

...guy....guy...guy...guy...girl...guy...
gee in my town they are all guys...weird

interesting, sounds like a fun race =D

one of my best friends has an eclipse w/ the 4 cyllinder, with the clutchless manual thingy, and it can come pretty close to beating my 91 buick regal, 3.8l v6, stock
somehow my buick is really freaking fast for being as heavy as it is... i've never lost, i've beaten a bmw (which doesnt necessarily mean much as i dont know much about them other than the hype they get, and this one was really new)

anywho, good death

he's got a sporty 4cyl.?? those things are beyond slow...

anyways my first pick for a car was a 2g GSX, but the whole crankwalk problem and the problems with reliability and sunroof, and door rattle from bad engineering...yes ... BAD i decided not, i also looked at a sentra spec-V 2003, and drove it, 6 speed was nice, but it didn't pull hardly at all but it did have pretty short gearing,

w/ my 3g i think i could beat one pretty easy from a roll, from a stop the spec-V's have LSD so i'd have to wait for new motor mounts for any stop races BTW motor mounts help a great deal w/ the trouble getting first gear because it lets you launch harder and prevents wheelhop

if it isn't a spec-v then try again because something is wrong there especially if you have a fed-spec and even if it is, it wouldn't hurt to try again

anyways my first pick for a car was a 2g GSX, but the whole crankwalk problem and the problems with reliability and sunroof, and door rattle from bad engineering...yes ... BAD i decided not,

crankwalk on 2g's is extremely rare and if it happends it's normally before 60k miles. and ANY car can have crank walk. the reliability isn't any different than any other sports car. i mean its not a 115 hp civic. my sun roof has never giving me issues but i have heard of them leaking. but atleast the stock sunroof has drains so it will never leak that bad. door rattle can easly be fixed with some car audio sound deadening from best buy. but i don't feel that my doors rattle at all actully.

the only reason i used the "chick car" comment is cause 90% of them are owned by girls. those and jettas alike.

if you dont believ me, try it out. next time you are driving down the street and see one, drive up to it and look into the window.

It must just be where you live. About 85% of the time I see guys driving Eclipses. I rarely, and I mean rarely see girls driving Eclipses. So I wouldn't say they are nescessarily "chick cars". Almost any car could be a chick car. Same with Jettas. I see tons of guys driving them. It's just anyone's interest in cars. Late...

So this new guy starts at my work with a 2003 sentra se-r. I've been wanting to race him for a week or so but we never left at the same time in order to do so... until tonight. I'm driving a 2000 eclipse gt with intake and a catback and the sentra has only a catback. He pulls out onto a two lane road that is slightly uphill and I follow. He waits will we are about even at around 25 mph and we both gun it in second. He pulls about a car through second and ends up about a car and a half to two cars ahead until we were staying even from 65 to 75 when I shut down cause I knew I couldn't win.

All in all those sentras are pretty quick cars. I didn't think I'd lose by that much but I guess since the sentra is like 350 pounds lighter he had a pretty big advantage from the start. Oh well, just more motivation to save up for a turbo.

I used to own an '02 SE-R Spec V. They are torquey little cars for being a N/A 4 cylinder, but the 6 speed trannies in the Spec V trim are geared terribly! 1st gear barely gets you across the street. Race him from a dig. Your car might not be as quick as his, but going against that crappy 6 speed from a dig will open a Pandora's box of potential driver error. Odds are you're less likely to screw up.

I used to own an '02 SE-R Spec V. They are torquey little cars for being a N/A 4 cylinder, but the 6 speed trannies in the Spec V trim are geared terribly! 1st gear barely gets you across the street. Race him from a dig. Your car might not be as quick as his, but going against that crappy 6 speed from a dig will open a Pandora's box of potential driver error. Odds are you're less likely to screw up.

Holly crap, he's right. I remember road and track did a road comparison on the SE-R spec-v , Mazdaspeed Protoge, Focus SVT and SRT-4 the SE-R was considered to have horrible gearing and was the only car that needed to go through 3 gears just to get to 60 mph. it had like the slowest 0-60 cause of that little problem. later on a different mag did a comparison between the SE-R and the Tiburon and there was a third car but I cant remember which, the guy who drove the SE-R said "If I wanted a workout I woulda hit the gym, the transmission is a bummer".

crankwalk on 2g's is extremely rare and if it happends it's normally before 60k miles. and ANY car can have crank walk. the reliability isn't any different than any other sports car. i mean its not a 115 hp civic. my sun roof has never giving me issues but i have heard of them leaking. but atleast the stock sunroof has drains so it will never leak that bad. door rattle can easly be fixed with some car audio sound deadening from best buy. but i don't feel that my doors rattle at all actully.

not about sunroof leaking, i believe the passenger side door leaks though at least on the spyder it did, the sunroof on my friend's GS-T rattled...quite noticeably, every bump it would rattle, the door did too, but he made up a "how to" on fixing it w/ a screwdriver...
anyways i've got 90k miles to go on my warranty so another reason to get a 3g
the 2 g is notorious for crankwalk i don't see how it would be so rare if its notorious

update: Round two was tonight.

We finally left at the same time tonight so I got a chance at redemption. We had a clear stretch of highway so I dropped it down to third at around sixty and then I counted down three... two... one.... GO. We both punched it and I let off at around 100 with about a 2 car lead. We had a couple more fun runs on the highway but they all resulted the same.

Then as chance would have it we both stopped at a light. The light turned green and we both punched it. I spun through the intersection and then slammed it down in second. He spun through first and part of second and about a quarter mile down the road i was about a car ahead.

I dont know what happened the in the first race but I think it had something to do with going up a hill since his car is a lot lighter. I still say those are pretty damn fast cars.

nah bro, you where way off that first time. your car and his are not that different in weight, not enough to where it would be a factor anyway. I knew youd take him man, your car is faster. now go slap a sticker on his windshield that says :owned:

no way that sticker will make his car faster than yours

the 2 g is notorious for crankwalk i don't see how it would be so rare if its notorious

That's an urban myith. There where some that had it, and hit the forums and everyone is scared. as soon as some problem happends on a 2g, the owners always yell CRANKWALK! and its something stuid like the need a new clutch, wow big woop.

Facts: any dsm site in the FAQ's will say crank walk is still rare on a 2g dsm. And that any engine car get crankwalk even v8 stangs. However its more likely for a 2g dsm to get it than a v8 stang. But most dsm's IF they are going to get crank walk get it before 60k miles.

Solution: If you buy a 2g DSM check for crankwalk before hand. odds are it will have enough miles on it that if you look for it you will know if it has it or not. very simple.

saying "i don't want a 2g DSM because they have crank walk" is pure ignorance.

i have a few friends that have had crank walk. and i never heard of it until they all got it, but now one of them has a very fast little gst. convertable no doubt too

Pardon my mechanical ineptness, but wtf is crankwalk?

my car is so NOT a chick car!!! i resent that!!!

Actually, in the town my college is in, my home town (a small town in Ft. Worth), Ft. Worth, Dallas, and Houston, I've seen more females driving 1st and 2nd Gen Eclipses than the 3rd Gen. I've seen more guys in the 3rd Gen than in the 2nd gens, and no guys in the 1st Gen.

And any car can be a chick car. If a girl is driving it, than its a chick car. The car doesn't make the driver, the driver makes the car...(well, technically the facotry does...but thats just damned semantics)

Evil6-good kill second time 'round

the reliability isn't any different than any other sports car.

That's not true...the crank on the 2g eclipses and talons were made out of spec, allowing it to move horizontally, hence the name crankwalk or walking crankshaft.

This site alone posts a huge amount of letters and e-mails written about 2g owners who have had crankwalk:

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/walkingcrankshaft.htm

If the reliability wasn't any different, there would be websites about hundreds of other cars w/ crankwalk and I personally haven't heard of another car besides the 2g eclipse/talon w/ crankwalk.

update: Round two was tonight.

We finally left at the same time tonight so I got a chance at redemption. We had a clear stretch of highway so I dropped it down to third at around sixty and then I counted down three... two... one.... GO. We both punched it and I let off at around 100 with about a 2 car lead. We had a couple more fun runs on the highway but they all resulted the same.

Then as chance would have it we both stopped at a light. The light turned green and we both punched it. I spun through the intersection and then slammed it down in second. He spun through first and part of second and about a quarter mile down the road i was about a car ahead.

I dont know what happened the in the first race but I think it had something to do with going up a hill since his car is a lot lighter. I still say those are pretty damn fast cars.

Like I said, I knew you'd have him on the roll, I'm glad to see you came out on top from a dig this time too.