Got an LS....

Well after pulling out my mini-me swap today along with the tranny I just wasted $300 on, I was going to get a b16 swap, but then realized how much it's really gonna cost me etc and plus another good deal came up with an LS.

The guy that I was saying I was going to trade my wheels for the hatch with the LS swap, is back in the picture. He said he will let me take everything LS that he has (his blown motor and the whole entire LS swap) for my motor and everything he'll need to get it running in his car. He said he just wants a running motor in it to sell it. So all I had to do was find a good block. Well I called this guy about an hour away and he had a whole LS longblock with intake manifold for $200. Says the whole thing runs good cept it burns oil when you get on it high rpms. Well I couldn't pass the deal up so I went and picked it up and me and my friend are going to rebuild the bottom end. I was also thinking about porting and polishing the head since I will have xtra $$ since I'm not doing the B16.

Just wanted to update you guys on wtf is going on with my car etc. since I said I was going to get a b16, I actually heard that the LS's are a very strong motor to run. Also would give me a chance later on if I get bored, maybe I might have to *sneeze*ls/vtec*sneeze*

Just wanted to update you guys on wtf is going on with my car etc. since I said I was going to get a b16, I actually heard that the LS's are a very strong motor to run. Also would give me a chance later on if I get bored, maybe I might have to *sneeze*ls/vtec*sneeze*

*cough* *cought* ls is good for boost! You can run 8lbs safetly even up to 12 and 16. Ls has great low compression and a strong bottom end(compared to all hondas) *cough*

cough I wax b16 crx's all day long cough

:)

You fuckers stop copying me!

cough I wax b16 crx's all day long cough

:)

You fuckers stop copying me!

Oh shit dude, you're the dude I always think of when I think of having a b16, I thought that's what you had!

You have an LS now?

What is an LS?

What tranny will you use?

mmm LS/Vtec owns, but the thing is huge!@

What is an LS?

LS is the motor from an Integra LS DOHC 1.8L non vtec

isnt the LS a b18a1?

also b18b1

ah alright
whats the difference between the 2 tho?
i may wanna build up my b18a1 thats sitting in my garage then :)

well I know there is a supposed 10 hp difference, but I haven't researched what makes it different

here's something that's confusing as fuck


B18A1
..
Displacement (cc): 1834
Power (bhp@rpm): 130@6000
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 121@5000
Compression Ratio: 9.2:1
Bore (mm): 81
Stroke (mm): 89
Cam Design: dohc
VTEC?: no
OBD: 0 or 1
Year(s) Produced: 1990-1991
In the following car(s): Acura Integra GS/RS/LS


B18A1
..
Displacement (cc): 1834
Power (bhp@rpm): 140@6300
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 121@5200
Compression Ratio: 9.2:1
Bore (mm): 81
Stroke (mm): 89
Cam Design: dohc
VTEC?: no
OBD: 1
Year(s) Produced: 1992-1993
In the following car(s): Acura Integra GS/RS/LS


B18B1
..
Displacement (cc): 1834
Power (bhp@rpm): 142@6300
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 127@5200
Compression Ratio: 9.2:1
Bore (mm): 81
Stroke (mm): 89
Cam Design: dohc
VTEC?: no
OBD: 1
Year(s) Produced: 1994-1995
In the following car(s): Acura Integra GS/LS/RS/SE


B18B1
..
Displacement (cc): 1834
Power (bhp@rpm): 142@6300
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 127@5200
Compression Ratio: 9.2:1
Bore (mm): 81
Stroke (mm): 89
Cam Design: dohc
VTEC?: no
OBD: 2
Year(s) Produced: 1996-2000
In the following car(s): Acura Integra GS/LS/RS/SE

so what the hell is the difference?

all 4 motors have the same CR bore stroke and displacement. if anyone can rectify what makes the hp diff. tell me!!!

here's something that's confusing as fuck


B18A1
..
Displacement (cc): 1834
Power (bhp@rpm): 130@6000
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 121@5000
Compression Ratio: 9.2:1
Bore (mm): 81
Stroke (mm): 89
Cam Design: dohc
VTEC?: no
OBD: 0 or 1
Year(s) Produced: 1990-1991
In the following car(s): Acura Integra GS/RS/LS


B18A1
..
Displacement (cc): 1834
Power (bhp@rpm): 140@6300
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 121@5200
Compression Ratio: 9.2:1
Bore (mm): 81
Stroke (mm): 89
Cam Design: dohc
VTEC?: no
OBD: 1
Year(s) Produced: 1992-1993
In the following car(s): Acura Integra GS/RS/LS


B18B1
..
Displacement (cc): 1834
Power (bhp@rpm): 142@6300
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 127@5200
Compression Ratio: 9.2:1
Bore (mm): 81
Stroke (mm): 89
Cam Design: dohc
VTEC?: no
OBD: 1
Year(s) Produced: 1994-1995
In the following car(s): Acura Integra GS/LS/RS/SE


B18B1
..
Displacement (cc): 1834
Power (bhp@rpm): 142@6300
Torque (ft/lbs@rpm): 127@5200
Compression Ratio: 9.2:1
Bore (mm): 81
Stroke (mm): 89
Cam Design: dohc
VTEC?: no
OBD: 2
Year(s) Produced: 1996-2000
In the following car(s): Acura Integra GS/LS/RS/SE

so what the hell is the difference?

all 4 motors have the same CR bore stroke and displacement. if anyone can rectify what makes the hp diff. tell me!!!

B18A1 = 90-93 integra....90-91 being obdo.... 92-93 being obd1
B18B1 = 94+ integras....only difference is in the heads

ALL B18A1'S WERE 130 HORSE
THE B18B1 WAS 140 BECAUSE OF THE HEAD DIFFERENCES

HOPE THIS HELPS

^^^ agreed

Dude i would just do LS all the way
no turbo or nothing, all motor
thats what i have and im spanking b16 like nothing, :D
no offense to the guys that have one, but where i live thats all there is here, b16 that , b16 this, im sick and tired of freaken b16, yeah tru they make whopping high hp, but look how much you got to spend to get that, thats crazy, and if your mommy and daddy and put down 3gs ona motor, then good for you, with 3gs in an LS, i have hella options, thats y im doin ls all the way :D

Dude i would just do LS all the way
no turbo or nothing, all motor
thats what i have and im spanking b16 like nothing, :D
no offense to the guys that have one, but where i live thats all there is here, b16 that , b16 this, im sick and tired of freaken b16, yeah tru they make whopping high hp, but look how much you got to spend to get that, thats crazy, and if your mommy and daddy and put down 3gs ona motor, then good for you, with 3gs in an LS, i have hella options, thats y im doin ls all the way :D


DUMB.....im sorry...but all motor ls is retarded. i know someone that had a FULLY built ls in a 92 integra....he could only make like mid-low 14 passes....now if u take the money that u would have put into fully building that sled and put 7-9 psi in her ud be mid 13's all day....comon now think a lil bit

if i keep my b18a1 then i'm thinkin of getting it bored out to a 2 litre, port and polish, 5 angle valve job, better cams, cam gears etc etc... then building the bottom end and tossing a block guard in and boosting the fucker :)
dont wanna spend all that money only to have it fuck up :)
then i wanna find a CRX shell and make it my race car :)

B18A1 = 90-93 integra....90-91 being obdo.... 92-93 being obd1
B18B1 = 94+ integras....only difference is in the heads

ALL B18A1'S WERE 130 HORSE
THE B18B1 WAS 140 BECAUSE OF THE HEAD DIFFERENCES


I disagree that all B18A1's were 130 horse.

I researched this pretty well when I was looking into my swap and found more than one source that had the same info quiXilver listed.

In a nut shell, the 92-93 B18A1 had about 10 more hp than the 90-91s. Not sure way, maybe obd differences, maybe cams, dont really know, but several sites have confirmed it.

I'm gonna throw the b18a1 long block I just picked up for $200 in my car and just drive it while I build up another b1 block, then I'm gonna probably port and polish the head, then see how I like it. And if I'm feeling froggy one day, I might turbo charge it. I already have the nos kit so I still have a little fun up my sleeve.

I disagree that all B18A1's were 130 horse.

I researched this pretty well when I was looking into my swap and found more than one source that had the same info quiXilver listed.

In a nut shell, the 92-93 B18A1 had about 10 more hp than the 90-91s. Not sure way, maybe obd differences, maybe cams, dont really know, but several sites have confirmed it.

DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING U READ ON THE INTERNET....B18A1....WAS 130....B18B1 WAS 140.....THEY CHANGED IT TO THE B18B1 BECAUSE THE HEAD CHANGED.....THATS THE ONLY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A A1 AND B1

Oh shit dude, you're the dude I always think of when I think of having a b16, I thought that's what you had!

You have an LS now?

I have always had the LS in my crx, I had a d16z6 in my old hatch but I dont think you were here for that.

It's actually a b18a block with a b18b head so its like a hybrid LS I geuss you could say.

All motor LS isnt exactly stupid. Its a better idea if you put it in a lighter car such as a crx or hatch. Theres a crx with a b20 in it around here all motor no vtec runnin 12.1's supposedly the fastest in the world, I wouldent be suprised because who does all motor b20 without vtec?

I have always had the LS in my crx, I had a d16z6 in my old hatch but I dont think you were here for that.





What all do you have done to the motor?

Ebay short ram, Thermal cat back.....broken rear motor mount....lol not much its simple...

damn and you ran a 14.3 with street tires, you have an Si, and no NOS? that's awesome! I'm gettin a pair of nitto drag radials and I have a NOS dry kit right now and I have an HF body. I would shit if I saw 13's

forcefanad i dont know why you saying its DUMB.
well of course its gonna do mid 14s in a 92 INTEGRA. its in a INTEGRA. now if you had it in a crx thats a different story, im not here to start anything or to offend somebody, but like i said, ls all the way, and im gonna prove people here :D

DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING U READ ON THE INTERNET

Thats good advice, STARTING WITH YOU!!!

Since I found it here:
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/swapguide1.pdf

AND here:
http://www.streettuners.com/curve/engine/engine_specs.html#integra

AND here:
http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29825

AND here:
http://www.superhonda.com/tech/honda_engine_codes.html

AND here:
http://4thgenaccord.8m.net/enginecodes.htm

lol i think his info links pwned you

Why not go LS all motor? Just because someone else screwed up building theirs and got 14s doesnt mean someone else can make the motor run real nice. Every motor is different, there are too many variables to just say that this motor sucks (unless its a 60hp tercel4wd motor 3AC lol)

Well I haven't been taking any pics which I should've been, but I'll get some up tomorrow. We've got my motor out, took the other seized motor out of the hatch I'm using for the swap, put the tranny on the new block i picked up, and it's pretty much ready to go in the next time we get over there.

I'm not sure about the alternator though. It seems it doesn't line up to the adjustment slot. Does anyone have any links to an LS swap? Just to make sure I'm gonna do all the right things? Thanks

i need to find a driver's side stock mount for our 93 ls, ASAP :banghead: car vibrates like a mofo. i know this isn't exactly on topic but it's as close as it's gonna get around here and i wanted to vent :grinno:

i need to find a driver's side stock mount for our 93 ls, ASAP :banghead: car vibrates like a mofo. i know this isn't exactly on topic but it's as close as it's gonna get around here and i wanted to vent :grinno:


psh
i just parted out a 90 teg GS....

i have the motor in my garage right now. with the mounts. let me know if u want it Ami, gimme an offer :)

Holy shit what a day! Get ready this is long!

Update, I didn't get any pics. But I did get a lot of headaches! We started working on this thing at like 9am and didn't get done 'till like 6pm. The motor was on the ground at first, took all the axles and stuff outta the other hatch, took mine out, then we forgot you can't use the front mount with the LS. So we were going to bang it outta the way for a bit untill I could cut it off, but then we thought that he's gonna need the mount for his car (that my old mini-me is going in to) so we had to swap the front crossmembers 'cause his was shaved off nicely for the LS. Then we get the motor in, we had problems with the rear mount, took a while but we got it in nice. We went to start hooking up the wire harness etc, and some of the wires were down to like 1 strand and broke out of the connector, so we had to take em apart and recrimp a couple wires etc. Then we got the dizzy on and it had a wire missing just hanging out of the hole it was supposed to be in. Luckily we had an old one there, we just popped that one out and popped in the new one. Then the intake had all these open spots where on the other intake we had, they looked like they were sealed off from the factory. Soooo....????????? Anyway, skipped that-gonna plug em up later or use the other manifold. Then we get down to put the axles in and they dont fit! FUCK! We then had to swap out all the hubs and shit from his hatch, the axles went in, got all that back together. Then we wanted to turn the motor over with the synthetic oil dropped down in the motor to wet the rings a little 'cause the motor has been sitting a while. He hooked up the battery while I was in the car and told me to try to crank it.....nothing. Then I get out and smoke is like comming out of the back of my engine somewhere! So we try to figure out wtf is going on. The line comming out of my NOS solenoid was very hot. Odd. Seems that the nitrous line was hitting the intake manifold and was burning. WTF? THE NITROUS LINE HAS NO POWER!? We disconnected the battery cable and looked some more, found out the starter was shorting out the whole block. We took it advance auto parts and they tested it and it almost burnt the place down lol, it was doing the same thing when it was on my car. So I ordered and new starter and pretty much have to go from there tomorrow. Linkage, radiator, starter, wires, plugs, intake and we should be good for test #2. Lovely

sounds like fun, i want an ls hatch so bad. Im jealous

sounds like fun, i want an ls hatch so bad. Im jealous


hatch=:headshake: crx=:grinyes:

i know, im just saying i want a hatch

Dude i would just do LS all the way
no turbo or nothing, all motor
thats what i have and im spanking b16 like nothing, :D
no offense to the guys that have one, but where i live thats all there is here, b16 that , b16 this, im sick and tired of freaken b16, yeah tru they make whopping high hp, but look how much you got to spend to get that, thats crazy, and if your mommy and daddy and put down 3gs ona motor, then good for you, with 3gs in an LS, i have hella options, thats y im doin ls all the way :D
it did not even cost me 3 gs to get my hatch and do the b16 swap with a few mods

i was goin b16, but this deal I couldn't pass this deal up.

i just hope this motor i bought lasts long enough for me to rebuild the other block. i just ordered my jdm b16 pistons, rings, bearings, clutch/8lb aluminum flywheel combo and a good head gasket.

hey !M!}[
i was wasnt emplying that u need to spend 3gs to fix up a car, it was just an example. it be nice to have 3gs to fix my car:D
like i said Ls in a CRX well dominate!!!:D

Update...

Well we put the new starter on, linkage, radiator etc everything back up and ready. So everything works great except the motor :banghead:

It actually idles and everything, just there is water mixing with the oil, and it doesn't rev to high. I think it's the head gasket don't you? I've already ordered one so I'm going to replace that and see what happends. Anyone got a link to all the torque specs for the LS head? Thx.

Update. Took the head off, the gasket didn't seems bad so I'm wondering if he overheated it and warped the head. I'm going to have it checked out.

BTW the motor we took out, we put in that guys hatch, and he's letting me drive it around:biggrin: So now I have a nice lil dark blue hatch with HX's. I'll put some pics up tomorrow for all you hatch lovers =)


Question. Is there anyway to tell if a block is cracked on the inside? Thx ahead of time.

you might be able to see cracks in the cylinder walls. i'd yank it out again and strip it right down and check it over completely... trust me, its worth it

magnaflux the block, take it to a machine shop and see if the block and head are straight.

civicHBsi91, i thought you were a d series man, i remeber you going off about how d series rule and b series suck and all that. haha u cant resist the DOHC side

haha u cant resist the DOHC side

u use that loosly eh? u forgettin bout the ZC? its d series and DOHC

Why do you even mention the ZC. Its the most garbage engine ever.

yes i use it loosely, because its more of a joke then being serious. i know about the zc and it being dohc, i just dont like that motor so i dont include it.

yes i use it loosely, because its more of a joke then being serious. i know about the zc and it being dohc, i just dont like that motor so i dont include it.


i dont see why people dont like this motor. i love it.
and i was just bustin ur balls about not mentioning it

Do you have to change tranny and axles and motor mounts for the zc swap?

Its just a joke of an engine. Why wouldnt you just save for an ls or a b16. There is less performance parts made for it than a 82 sentra for god sakes.

magnaflux the block, take it to a machine shop and see if the block and head are straight.

civicHBsi91, i thought you were a d series man, i remeber you going off about how d series rule and b series suck and all that. haha u cant resist the DOHC side

Im anti b16 that's all. Im a D and a B and a H and a K man.....theres just some motors I like and dislike mostly the b16 and the ZC.

B18A1 = 90-93 integra....90-91 being obdo.... 92-93 being obd1
B18B1 = 94+ integras....only difference is in the heads

ALL B18A1'S WERE 130 HORSE
THE B18B1 WAS 140 BECAUSE OF THE HEAD DIFFERENCES

HOPE THIS HELPS

There are a few differences that make up for the 10-12 Hp difference. The 90-91 integra IM and EM are poorly designed. the Intake Manifold is 2mm smaller in the runner diameter than the 92+ and the Exhaust manifold is a cast 4-1 design while the 92+ are a more tubular header type 4-2-1. Also the 92+ ecu's are slightly better due to the newer OBD which gives them better tuning. Last but not least, the 92+ cams are slightly better.

wondering if i can put a 90-93 integra throttle body on my si manifold. any help?

i don't think so, it's a b series throttle body on a d series manifold

Hey good luck on the project man. :thumbsup:


Ok LS all motor is not exactly dumb. ITs just too much work and its pretty expensive to get it even in the mid to low 13s with them. IF you're goin all motor on the LS...add the vtec head and build it right.

yea that's what i plan on doing, matter of fact i was wondering if anyone had any links to the ls/vtech swap so i could study up on it.

thanks

heres an alrights write up from g2ic, http://g2ic.com/tegtips/engine/6.html

i don't think so, it's a b series throttle body on a d series manifold
a bseries TB will fit on the z6 and y8 manifolds only.

Well, damn it's been a long haul, but it's comming along nicely. Got my b16a pistons put on, new rings and bearings. Every gasket you can think of has been replaced. My head was also surfaced, checked for leaks/cracks/warps, new valve seals, and cleaned. I'm tired so I'll tell more later...

Oh yea, and I got my clutch/8lb aluminum flywheel combo also, thus pictures.

Taking the block out..
http://home.comcast.net/~quixilver09/128_2866.JPG

Block before clean and paint.

http://home.comcast.net/~quixilver09/blockbefore2.jpg

Kinda funny...
http://home.comcast.net/~quixilver09/enginehead.jpg

Very light flywheel...
http://home.comcast.net/~quixilver09/flywheel.jpg

Cylinders before cleaning them...
http://home.comcast.net/~quixilver09/128_2864.JPG

Cylinders during cleaning...
http://home.comcast.net/~quixilver09/honin.jpg

I didn't have an after 'cause my damn battery went dead. I'll post more up tomorrow maybe even an install pic!!

Where in the hell do you live at?

how do you have a tan in december? my tan has gone away along time ago and I deff cant work on my car with no short sleve shirt on lol.

Motor sounds good tho, LS POWER!

btw when did you start sprayin? gonna spray this motor as well?

Where in the hell do you live at?

how do you have a tan in december? my tan has gone away along time ago and I deff cant work on my car with no short sleve shirt on lol.

Motor sounds good tho, LS POWER!

btw when did you start sprayin? gonna spray this motor as well?

I live in florida. I've kinda always had a tan. I been sprayin for a couple weeks before the car went down. I am going to spray this motor also. =)