Changing plugs on an '01 Windstar.
bruker
10-22-2004, 08:39 AM
Yesterday I planned to spend the whole afternoon changing the spark plugs on my van. I've heard you either have to remove the engine compartment cowl or jack up the van to get to the rear three plugs. I decided I would first try to get to them from underneath so I jacked the van up and put it on jack stands. After crawling under the van I was able to get to each of the plugs fairly easily. Now if you have forearms like Popeye your not going to be able to use this method but most people should. Total time start to finish was less than an hour.
road_rascal
10-26-2004, 03:36 PM
Yup. I did the same thing on my '01 a few months ago. Unfortunately I did remove the front cowling and found out the hard way that there isn't any more room to get to the rear plugs. Jacking up the front is the best way to get access to the rears. I ended up getting the #1 plug by going through the passenger side fenderwell just above the halfshaft. Very easy, and about an hours worth of work if you don't remove the cowling :banghead: .
bruker
10-26-2004, 03:42 PM
The reason I changed the plugs was because the idle was getting a little rough. Well after 144,000 miles I guess that's to be expected. The original plugs were still in it and the gap was at .075. I installed a set of Autolite Double Platinums so I'll probably never have to change then again.
road_rascal
10-27-2004, 02:42 PM
I replaced mine at 52,000. I don't believe in 100k plugs. I'm really surprised the ignition system in your van lasted that long with the plug gap that large. That puts a lot of stress on the coils.
wiswind
10-28-2004, 07:46 AM
I replaced mine (96' 3.8L) at 135K miles......was running great....but also found that the gap was about what bruker found.
Dealer had told me that they were fine...did not need changing.....but I suspected that they would be a bit worn long by that time......even double plat's don't last forever.
I replaced with the double platinum plugs.
I did the back plugs from under the car also.....you have to slide yourself back further than you would think....so that you are looking and reaching up the front face of the firewall.
Less stuff to take apart than taking the windshield wiper cowel off......= Less chance of causing other problems.....and....from the top....is going to be quite a bend over for the back to reach down in there..... Not good for a bad back.
You DO have to let the engine cool....as you are basically hugging one of the catalytic converters.
Dealer had told me that they were fine...did not need changing.....but I suspected that they would be a bit worn long by that time......even double plat's don't last forever.
I replaced with the double platinum plugs.
I did the back plugs from under the car also.....you have to slide yourself back further than you would think....so that you are looking and reaching up the front face of the firewall.
Less stuff to take apart than taking the windshield wiper cowel off......= Less chance of causing other problems.....and....from the top....is going to be quite a bend over for the back to reach down in there..... Not good for a bad back.
You DO have to let the engine cool....as you are basically hugging one of the catalytic converters.
grneal
11-27-2004, 10:39 PM
Do you always change the spark plug wires every time you change the spark plugs?
bruker
11-28-2004, 08:31 AM
I've only changed plug wires if they were damaged or are old and cracked.
wiswind
12-29-2005, 11:25 PM
At a 100K mile change interval.....I guess that replacing the wires would be a good idea.....
elephantfly
01-26-2006, 01:50 PM
On what engine did you change the plugs? Mine is a 3.8, and I'd like to know if your experience pertains to the one I'm envisioning in my near future.
bruker
01-26-2006, 01:53 PM
3.8 as well.
Air2Mud
08-21-2008, 02:49 PM
I've only changed plug wires if they were damaged or are old and cracked.
This old thread is new to me ...
Question: Given the tight confines on the back side of the engine, what technique works best for removing the plugwire boots from those pesky plugs without messing up the boot/wire?
Thanks for any clues.
This old thread is new to me ...
Question: Given the tight confines on the back side of the engine, what technique works best for removing the plugwire boots from those pesky plugs without messing up the boot/wire?
Thanks for any clues.
wiswind
08-21-2008, 06:47 PM
I grasp the boot part of the plug wire......and twist it ....turning it clockwise and counter clockwise on the spark plug......to break it free from the ceramic plug body.
Then....while continuing to twist.....I pull OUT on the plug boot.
Also.....I remove ONLY 1 plug wire at a time from the spark plug.......and from the coil pack.
It is hard to see......and only having 1 wire loose at a time prevents me from plugging the wires in wrong......SUPER easy to cross plug wires when more than 1 is disconnected at a time.
Then....while continuing to twist.....I pull OUT on the plug boot.
Also.....I remove ONLY 1 plug wire at a time from the spark plug.......and from the coil pack.
It is hard to see......and only having 1 wire loose at a time prevents me from plugging the wires in wrong......SUPER easy to cross plug wires when more than 1 is disconnected at a time.
Ed_Strong
08-21-2008, 11:46 PM
in my case the grabbing and twisting the wire boot didn't help as my plug wires turned into suction cups. I could feel them come off about a ¼ of an inch and as soon as I stop pulling to rest from the ackward positions I had to twist my arm, I could feel them go back in and sttle down in the plugs.
I had to use a spark plug wire puller (highly recommend it) and then used plenty of dielectric grease to put the wire back in place for future removal ease.
I had to use a spark plug wire puller (highly recommend it) and then used plenty of dielectric grease to put the wire back in place for future removal ease.
tomt62
10-23-2008, 05:15 AM
Thanks for the tips. Did my '99 Windstar the other day. Sticker under
hood recommends .52 to .56 for the gap. Boy the old plugs were really worn.
Some were at .100. Anyway, I tried both methods for the rear plugs. Under the car for 2 & 3, and through the wheel well for #1. It was tight, and I needed
a boot puller for #1, but success at last. Also used the dielectric grease that
somebody mentioned.
Running like a top now.
hood recommends .52 to .56 for the gap. Boy the old plugs were really worn.
Some were at .100. Anyway, I tried both methods for the rear plugs. Under the car for 2 & 3, and through the wheel well for #1. It was tight, and I needed
a boot puller for #1, but success at last. Also used the dielectric grease that
somebody mentioned.
Running like a top now.
garync1
10-23-2008, 09:15 AM
I changed mine a while back and also the wires on my 2001. I removed the cowl and changed them under the van. I removed the cowl so i could get to the wires and coil easier..
Off_Timing
10-28-2008, 09:37 AM
My (wife's) van is a 2000 with 171,000km on the 3.8L engine. I want to change the spark plugs. Did you guys use any penetrating oil on the plugs before you removed them? Is this a good idea or bad idea?
Also, what do you think about using a little anti-sieze on the threads of the new spark plugs?
Thanks.
Also, what do you think about using a little anti-sieze on the threads of the new spark plugs?
Thanks.
garync1
10-28-2008, 02:31 PM
I did not use any oil on them.. They came out fairly easy.. Just was flying blind on the back ones. Went by feel.. I do use Anti-seize on the threads but just a little dab. When you turn the spark plugs in the threads will spread the anti-seize..Don't add the anti-seize to close to the lower part of the threads were the spark is generated or it will reduce the performance of the plug. I add mine closer to the top part of the threads. Just a little dab will do.
Off_Timing
10-29-2008, 09:48 AM
Thanks Garync1. That's next on my list of things to do that van.
Wa jang chang
01-10-2009, 10:32 PM
I am about to replace my 2000 SEL spark plugs. This thread kind of encourages me to venture this task. My SEL has about 95K miles but I am getting 16 mpg lately. I used to get 18 to 20 mpg driving around city. Hope I can do this under 1 hr like some of you guys.
Jerry Irons
01-17-2009, 08:37 AM
Yep I agree, to change the plugs, get under than van for the back set. I used ramps which seemed to work ok.
To change the wires, I took the cowl off. What I wish I had done at the time was also inspect the coil pack...
-Jerry
01 3.8L
To change the wires, I took the cowl off. What I wish I had done at the time was also inspect the coil pack...
-Jerry
01 3.8L
Wa jang chang
03-09-2009, 08:29 PM
One Saturday morning I decided to change out the plugs from my wife's 00 windstar SEL. Reading thru some of posts on this thread really encouraged me to do it myself. I jacked up the van and got under it and was able to remove and replace the aft three spark plugs (no broken knuckle). The front three were relatively easy. Total time consumed: 1.5 hrs including prep. Thanks guys!
Wa jang chang
Wa jang chang
Fulcrum
04-09-2009, 12:52 AM
I changed the spark plugs on my wife's 2000 Windstar SEL at 156,000 the gap in the plugs were easily double what they should have been. I replaced using double plats Auto lite. I changed the wires too (two months later).
I tried to get to those plugs from underneath, but my I could not get my arm up... too tight. I removed the cowl and did the back 3 blind from the top while I carefully laid on top of the engine. Took me about an hour to switch out all 6.
I had already taken off the cowl for the 174 fix, so it was convenient.
Cheers!
Fulcrum
I tried to get to those plugs from underneath, but my I could not get my arm up... too tight. I removed the cowl and did the back 3 blind from the top while I carefully laid on top of the engine. Took me about an hour to switch out all 6.
I had already taken off the cowl for the 174 fix, so it was convenient.
Cheers!
Fulcrum
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