Going to Race a 2002 M5

Well we raced and the M5 went down. When we were driving out to the spot we planned to race, he rode up next to me and floored it around 60mph, so I quickly did as well and easily went ahead. So when we got to the spot and pulled over to let my brother in his car to film, he said it was pretty clear which car was going to win. He wanted to get a small head start to see if I could catch up since we already knew what would happen otherwise. :uhoh:

So the vids I have are both of me passing him surprisingly with ease after giving him generous leads. After all of this we did race from a stop but my brother flubbed on the filming so he only got us talking at the light. LOL. I ended up about 2-3 car lengths ahead at about 60-70mph when I shut down, and I was one car ahead around 40-50mph. He claimed it was not a very good launch which no doubt is true. I had a hard enough time getting this guy to race but now that he did and had fun he said he would be willing to go again. Hopefully this time we will get better footage.

Man it was excillerating! The M5 went down, HARD! The beating was so bad you will think he wasn't even going all out.

They vids aren't that great anyways, footage is from the M5 and it is at night.

VIDS are here:
http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/gtpsleeper2

"Brother's flub & goofy M5 guy's voice"

"Flyby and I still catch the M5"

"M5 Loses Badly"

what does your neighbor drive? sounds like a late cobra???

what does your neighbor drive? sounds like a late cobra???

umm wtf? did you seriously just ask that??? how can you post in a thread without ever reading the title... :screwy:

I pwned myself....badly


That's what happens when you leave a thread open for a while, take a crap, and then reply.

O well, lesson learned ;)

Well, I dont know to much about your car, save from what I read in your sig. If it were a stock for stock race, I'd call up your neighbor and tell him not to waste the gas, lol. However, with your mods, I think it'll be close, possibly a drivers race. I've seen stock M5s take out Cammaro SSs like nothing and I saw one demolish a STi. Keep us updated, I wanna see how it goes.

Well, I dont know to much about your car, save from what I read in your sig. If it were a stock for stock race, I'd call up your neighbor and tell him not to waste the gas, lol. However, with your mods, I think it'll be close, possibly a drivers race. I've seen stock M5s take out Cammaro SSs like nothing and I saw one demolish a STi. Keep us updated, I wanna see how it goes.

The new E60 M5s are NA 5L 500 hp! You will get your ass handed to you badly! Unless he has a '04 M5 because I don't think the '05 are even out yet, unless he knows someone that works at BMW.

They run low 13s high 12s so it would to hard to even take the older 8 cylinder(E39 I think), let alone the new V10! Your sig says you ran a sub 13 time time too, but that was your best time. An M5 should be able to pull that off with a good driver. The E60s are supposed to run sub 12s or close to it, and I'm sure if you go over 110 that he'll take you with the older one too.

The new E60 M5s are NA 5L 500 hp! You will get your ass handed to you badly! Unless he has a '04 M5 because I don't think the '05 are even out yet, unless he knows someone that works at BMW.

They run low 13s high 12s so it would to hard to even take the older 8 cylinder(E39 I think), let alone the new V10! Your sig says you ran a sub 13 time time too, but that was your best time. An M5 should be able to pull that off with a good driver. The E60s are supposed to run sub 12s or close to it, and I'm sure if you go over 110 that he'll take you with the older one too.
He said 2002...not the damn V10. :nono:

Going from a dig may not be a good idea, unless you do have the good tires on there. And without a speed limiter, stock M5's get to like 190mph, so you may have a tough time if you go to a high speed.

He said going to 110-120...Did anyone even read his post?

I say do your thing and return to us with a full report, i expect it to be at least a page and a half long, paragraphs doubled spaced, with correct grammar, comprende'?


Now off with you, and dont return until the deed is finished. :smokin:

I say you have a fair chance.

I think it will be fair. M5s run like 12.6-13.3 to my knowledge, and looks like you can do that if you shift well and get a good launch. I think it will just be a driver's race honestly.

Good luck and definitely get a vid!

damn, I thought it said 05' :screwy:

Anyway, like I said, it should be a driver's race, but I think the M5 will get you above 100. They're monsters at high speeds.

I think it will be fair. M5s run like 12.6-13.3 to my knowledge, and looks like you can do that if you shift well and get a good launch. I think it will just be a driver's race honestly.

Good luck and definitely get a vid!
M5's run 12.6's bone stock, on street tires? I knew they were M3 fast, but even a M3 won't run a 12.6 bone stock. On street tires. Damn those cars are beasts.

i agree with TypeS you'll be lucky to still be with him at 110-120 and if you are then you got a hell of a GTP ....can't wait for the results, Good Luck!

Well some info on the M5 from car&driver:
394hp and 368lb/ft
"The M5 V-8 is one of the most impressive motors ever built for the street. It is packed with four cams with infinitely variable valve timing, 32 valves, an aluminum block, eight electronically controlled throttle bodies — one for each cylinder — and an 11.0:1 compression ratio, and it's assembled with a care that results in 394 horsepower from 4.9 liters. It freely revs to 7000 rpm and never feels flat-footed, no matter how low the rev counter.

BMW coupled the engine to a six-speed manual transmission and a buttoned-down, lively chassis."

"The last M5 we tested needed 4.7 seconds to reach 60 mph and turned the quarter in 13.2 seconds at 109 mph"

If you read this:
http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=2499&page_number=1
They need another 76hp to pull 12.7s

I'd say it would come down to drivers. Your 1/4s seem lower, but the M5s trap speed is higher...it's gonna be one hell of a race, and a damn good kill if you win(which I'm leaning towards). Definantly keep us posted.

Yeah, but you should never trust car and driver's quarter mile times. They're really not the best drivers. They've tested my car at 14.7 but an average driver gets it into really low 14s stock.

Also, I'm pretty sure the M5, even though it's 4 door, is faster than the M3, stock for stock.

My bad, I meant to say 12.8. Just this last summer I was at PIR for some local high school drags, and some guy from Wilsonville, OR had an M5. He said he had a 00 ITR before that, and had been racing for near 3 years. His M5 was bone stock, and he ran 12.8 at 112 or so. I'm not exactly sure about this time, but from what I've read on tons of websites is that the average driver can get about a 13.7-13.8 racing an M5.

Now, I know I don't have anything to back this up, and it may have happened that it wasn't a 12.8, but I am pretty damn sure.

I honestly believe it will be a driver's race.

Yeah, but you should never trust car and driver's quarter mile times. They're really not the best drivers. They've tested my car at 14.7 but an average driver gets it into really low 14s stock.

Also, I'm pretty sure the M5, even though it's 4 door, is faster than the M3, stock for stock.
True, but for some reason *and this is what i heard* They dont go all out for all cars, just those in a sport segment. For example, the new porshe, they will give it hell to get it to pass the 1320, but a CL-S which IS fast, but noted more for it's ride quality, wont be redlined.
This is just what I heard, not sure if it is true.

A bad ass driver in the ///M5 will win, however a good to average driver, it'll be a drivers race. I think thats the final idea on this. He does have a launch advantage (I think it said in your sig your car was front wheel drive), and if he knows what hes doing, it'll be a good race.

TypeS, the last available model year of the ///M5 is the E39 in 2002. The E60 ///M5 will come out late next year, if Roundel is correct, which I think they are.

With all due respect, I wouldnt take anything Car and Driver says seriously. I remeber the reason I stopped reading it was becasue of their Uber hardon over the Corvette. Toyota could put out a car that could run the quarter mile in half a second, get 3 billion miles per gallon, cost 12 dollars, and be ultimately better than ever car ever made, but they would rate it crappy next to a corvette.

Actually Cassie, knowing you, you should get back into reading it. They like the corvette, but anything with a BMW logo on it gets thier highest acceptance.

Actually Cassie, knowing you, you should get back into reading it. They like the corvette, but anything with a BMW logo on it gets thier highest acceptance.

Haha, yeah, but not just them. 90% of Magazines kiss Bmw's ass. I only remember one Automobile issue where they had a bmw falling from a bridge with the new TL behind it. That was the only time I know of that a BMW was there but didn't win.

I say its a drivers race too. However there is less room for error on your part. Trying to get a good launch on the street will be harder for you then it will be for him.

Cant wait to see the vid :thumbsup:

Thanks for the comments. I always thought his car was good for low-mid 13s at 104-106mph.

If the M5 can do better than that I might get hosed. I will have my balding stock tires on, but if a launch becomes a problem I'll get him to go from a 20-30mph roll.

I just need to get the camera from my brother's place and get a tire patched up. Please be patient, but I will definitely get this on video, wouldn't be worth it otherwise. I want an M5 kill to watch over and over. :smokin:

Actually I think you might have him, I mean your hitting a high 12, so you might have a chance at taking him out.

Yesss! Video please! You know what.. why not have a chase car with another good film man. DO ITT!

Youre gunna have to be in top driving shape, anything it takes, sweat off a few pounds and use the bathroom before you race.

your either gunna get owned, or a close race.

And play "eye of the tiger before you leave"... cant wait to see that vid...the 1/4 times are definately a good indication of how the race willl ook if its to 100-110...this is a david vs goliath race...except david is supercharged

btw, I like your car :D

It'll check it out, but at the moment, I only read Euro Tunner and Euro Car. Next time I run by Wal Mart, I'll check out the mag section. And get this shit on video.

your either gunna get owned, or a close race.

what makes you think that?

how much does a m5 weigh, do you know?

i've got my money on gtp, sure a m5 can run a high 12.7 but i beleive the driver would have to have years of experience racing, not driving, racing.


i think if you took 10 m5's and 10people, 2 would run 12.8 at best

GTP, kill him :evillol:

M5's have torque and hp to back it up, don't underestimate the power of the M5.

i'm underestimating the power of a m5 though above you i just mentioned them capable of running high 12's?

My neighbor and I are going to race our cars hopefully within the week.(I finally got him to agree to it)

I thought from a stop would be best. I plan to get all of it on tape, which will probably be 2-3 runs up to 110-120mph.

I'll put the vids up when it happens.

Is there anyone who thinks I can't take this 394hp beast? :smile:

If you hook and get one of those 2.0X 60s you should have him to 110 ( assuming he has less track time than you). The longer the race goes on the worse your odds become. Remmeber those cars are geared to run on the Autobahn, eventually it will over take you.

the M5 has bagloads of torque and power through rear wheels... you would easily win with any roll on - even if it was just at 10 mph, but if he gets the jump on you, you will have a hard time to pull him in... my 2c

All wheels? M5s are RWD, what do you mean all wheels.

Did you run that 12.9 time on slicks or street tires? It will be close til 100, but after that he should take you if he knows how to drive. He doesn't have to be a "racer" like someone here said. If you go from a roll, you might not have as much of a disadvatange if it starts at around 20 - as long as it doesn't get into speeds over 110.

Underestimating the M5? I think some of you people are underestimating the power of the Comp G.

My money's on the BMW.
Because, well....I don't like GMs...

All wheels? M5s are RWD, what do you mean all wheels.

Did you run that 12.9 time on slicks or street tires? It will be close til 100, but after that he should take you if he knows how to drive. He doesn't have to be a "racer" like someone here said.

i hope your not talking to me, my statement above state's that in the 1/4 mile, he will need to have years experience racing to pull of a 12.7

most people can't jump in a Zo6 and run 12.4 most get in and run a 12.7

and those who go to the track and race All Day Every Single Year have got the damn Z06 in the 11's in stock form.

to take gtp off the line he WILL have to have "RACING" experience.

if you think anyone can jump in anycar and run its best time ever recorded, then you need more education.

this is only towards you if it was me you were refering to.

He will deffinitely not need YEARS of racing experience! You're right that he will need to know how to drive the car (i.e. not just floor it off the line) and he'll need to know where the best shiftpoints are, but he will not need to have raced the car for years!

Just one thing, the closest car I could find to the 02 M5 performance and weight wise is a 04 SVT Cobra. What do they run in the quarter mile? Which one do you think puts more power to the wheels, a BMW or a Ford? As long as he knows how to drive a fast car, he will have no problems driving the M5. You're acting as if everyone is a noob and someone who owns an M5 should know how to drive it. Im giving him the benefit of the doubt that since he's probably had the car for 3 years, he knows how to drive it.

What??? "To take a GTP off the line he will need racing experience" Are you kidding? The GTP is FWD and the M5 is RWD. Which one should get off the line quicker? He will only have a chance if he can somehow manage to keep up with the BMW off the line and reel him in in 2nd and 3rd. That's why it's better for him to race the M5 from a roll because the M5 will have the RWD advantage off the line.

omg, type s, his gtp is modded, he's gotten his 60's in the 1.9's

he runs a 12.8 with his mods.................

how often do you go to the track? if you have been there enough times you will realize it does take, years of experince to get the best times.

im not saying this m5 can't run its norm of a 13.2 or a 13.0
but 12.7 is the fastest this car has run EVER! so if only 2 out of 500 people ran a 12.7 what does that mean?

that means most likely the m5 is gonna pull off a 13.0

if the m5 driver is one of the best drivers in the world then maybe he can beat his modded gtp.

but realize its modded, and it runs 12.8 fwd


of course if it was a stock gtp it would be no comp, but again its modded and he's consistantly runing 12.8-12.9, think about that

and also, you can compare it to a svt cobra if you want. but svt cobra's are running 13.0-12.6 and the weigh 400lbs less than the m5
same hp as the m5 with more tq than the m5

that damn car is heavier than mine it weighs 4000lbs

Yes, but which one do you think puts more to the wheels, a BMW or a Ford? The 330Ci runs 14s with just 225 hp at the crank. I'm just trying to compare all the power that actually gets to the wheels.

I know his is modded. That's why I said since he's got such a good time with FWD, it would be a lot better for him to go from a roll rather than a stop.

Also, how many times did he run that time at the track? Who says 2 out of 500 M5 drivers can only get into 12s? It's really a drivers race and we'll never know who'll win until they race.

He'll have better chances of winning if they go from a roll and the race stays below 110.

These guys tested one when they were comparing it to the E55 and they ran a 13.08 @ 109.41.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0204_m5/

I expect someone who's had the car for 3 years to run better than what those testers did while probably just getting used to it in a few days.



On a side note, you can see that the BMWs trap speed is higher which means that if the GTP does win, the BMW will start catching up.

omg, type s, his gtp is modded, he's gotten his 60's in the 1.9's

he runs a 12.8 with his mods.................

how often do you go to the track? if you have been there enough times you will realize it does take, years of experince to get the best times.

im not saying this m5 can't run its norm of a 13.2 or a 13.0
but 12.7 is the fastest this car has run EVER! so if only 2 out of 500 people ran a 12.7 what does that mean?

that means most likely the m5 is gonna pull off a 13.0

if the m5 driver is one of the best drivers in the world then maybe he can beat his modded gtp.

but realize its modded, and it runs 12.8 fwd


of course if it was a stock gtp it would be no comp, but again its modded and he's consistantly runing 12.8-12.9, think about that


I agree with you but dont forget the GTP ran that on a track. On the streets a FWD car with that kind of power will have a hard time launching. Also 12.8 was his BEST time. He said hes got balding tires now and its on the street. He could be running mid 13s now.

These guys tested one when they were comparing it to the E55 and they ran a 13.08 @ 109.41.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0204_m5/

I expect someone who's had the car for 3 years to run better than what those testers did while probably just getting used to it in a few days.



On a side note, you can see that the BMWs trap speed is higher which means that if the GTP does win, the BMW will start catching up.

I expect someone who's had the car for 3 years to run better than what those testers did while probably just getting used to it in a few days.

thats not neccesarily true, there are people who have owned there corvette's for 3 years and still come to the track and run 13.6

while others who race for a living get in the car and run 13.3.


On a side note, you can see that the BMWs trap speed is higher which means that if the GTP does win, the BMW will start catching up

agreed.^

My money, only becuase I'm a biased bastard, is on the ///M5. I love those cars, and I think they are beastly. But thats just me.

Youngvr4, yes, he will need expierience, but in my short time as a BMW owner, the cars are VERY easy to get used to. If he has had it for a year, and races it on street, then I'm sure he'll have the skills to run a high twelve. Hell, I've owned mine for 8 months, and I'm running it better in quarter mile and 0-60 times than the magazines.

You also have to assume that the driver of the GTP will run a PERFECT run. If he slips up in the launch, misses a good shift, anything like that, then the ///M5 driver, if hes running good and has enough wheel time to do good in the car, then its game over.

But hey, thats just my 2 cents...

He said hes got balding tires now and its on the street. He could be running mid 13s now.

well that just changes everything

settle down guys...lets just wait for the video...Id want the GTP to win because it is a fellow member of AF, but I LOVE bimmers.

well that just changes everything
Wait are you agreeing with me or being sarcastic? :icon16:


settle down guys...lets just wait for the video...Id want the GTP to win because it is a fellow member of AF, but I LOVE bimmers.
:iagree:

i'm agreeing with you

Type S, you've obviously never driven a Comp G

I've never driven a comp g or an M5. Have you driven an M5?

What exactly do you not agree with me on? I'm not saying his car isn't fast, but that was his BEST time at the track and did he say on street tires or slicks? Anyway, someone just said that his tires aren't what they used to be. It's a drivers race. I just want to see the video now. I think everything that needs to be said has been said. All we can do is wait for the video and put all the oppinions aside. don't think that I don't like the car or something, I'm just stating what I THINK will happen. I'd rather see his 12 second car on the street than a riced out civic or some slow ass car that tries to race, like that idiot without a license.

hey just wondering arn't GTPs speed limited? If they are whats the limit?

hey just wondering arn't GTPs speed limited? If they are whats the limit?

The regular GTPs(97-05) are limited to 126mph.(T rated?) The CompGs are limited to 142 with Vrated tires but my limiter has been removed. I haven't gone over 135-140 though. If we can find a location where getting up to 130-140 is possible, maybe we can see how much of an autobahn monster the M5 really is!

I borrowed some Drag Radials to help my launches, but I didn't do any burnouts. This race has me real excited, and believe me I won't let you guys down, but it may not happen for a few days. Please be patient with me.

He has had the car since it was new, has raced in it before, and he feels pretty confident in his shifting ability. He is obsessed with his car, and thinks it is the greatest thing in the world. LOL

A trailing car would be cool, but I was also thinking of having his girl film from the passenger seat(M5). This is going to be a close one.

The M5 os Speed governed at 155.

From a roll the M5 would own him. From a launch He may get out first due to weight (M5 weighs over 4,000lbs) but he will get walked
http://research.cars.com/go/crp/features.jsp;jsessionid=DLSWDPYPT4GYHLAZGJXJXKY?ma keid=5&modelid=48&year=2002&myid=&acode=USB20BMC171A0&defaultSelection=true&crpPage=summary.jsp&aff=national

I have seen trap speeds anywhere from 102-106mph for the 02M5. But you guys keep saying 109mph. If he is trapping lower than 107 I am not going to get walked if it is 109+ then I am going to get walked. It is that simple I think.

If I can beat him up to my trap speed I'll be happy, anything higher 110-120 would be just too sweet.

I just purchased some drag radials so I will have better tires for my launch. I will be driving up to my brothers to get the camera today.

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-3219.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-3084.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-4258.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-4063.html

I have seen trap speeds anywhere from 102-106mph for the 02M5. But you guys keep saying 109mph. If he is trapping lower than 107 I am not going to get walked if it is 109+ then I am going to get walked. It is that simple I think.
If I can beat him up to my trap speed I'll be happy, anything higher 110-120 would be just too sweet.
I just purchased some drag radials so I will have better tires for my launch. I will be driving up to my brothers to get the camera today.

I'm sorry I didn't read all 4 pages of this thread. Were you guys running at the track on a highway run?