Going to Race a 2002 M5

Well that first one is the RMS Superfast (which I thought was a little faster). However RMS is a tuner like DInan. So comparison is pointless. The second is an 11 sec car. Obviously that s/c helps. Im not even moving on to the other 2.

How about finding one that's stock? the closest one that I found with almost no mods is the one with the catback and CAI that ran a 12.6.

I still think that if you go from a roll, you have a better chance than from a stop. All that torque and RWD > than FWD, if he knows how to launch.

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-3219.html he has a supercharger!

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-3084.html This guy has alot of mods and a supercharger!

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-4258.html This guy is modded as well!

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-4063.html Modded again!


You could of atleast got some stock times since these do not have any significance.
Again if it traps above 107, in STOCK FORM I will have trouble at higher speeds, that is obvious.

We will most likely race from a stop a couple times and then if I don't beat him I'll go from a low speed roll. If the environment permits we may go fast enough to really see the M5 shine. My car weighs less and should be ~300whp, ~360lbs torque(I know guessing is even worse than a dyno#), but it should be pretty close.

I thought this would be a track race, then I can understand the significance of a trap speed and time. But since this will be a street race, why would it matter who traps what? Just race till someone pulls on someone or until road conditions no longer permit.

But definitely video tape it. It sounds like an interesting race

I thought this would be a track race, then I can understand the significance of a trap speed and time. But since this will be a street race, why would it matter who traps what? Just race till someone pulls on someone or until road conditions no longer permit.

But definitely video tape it. It sounds like an interesting race

If the trap speed is higher, it pretty much shows that a car better from a roll because it picks up pace after the launch.

If you have something like an sti that can run a high 12 but only traps in the low 100s, it shows that the car can launch really good, but it's not as good at higher speeds.

If you have someone that runs a 13.1 @ 110, that shows that the car starts picking up pace after the launch and it shows that the car is better for runs from a roll.

Even though an sti is faster than an m5 in the quarter mile, an m5 would totally destroy it on the highway.

Anyway, I don't know the 60ft times for M5s, but they can't be too bad.



GTP, all it takes is 300 whp and 360 lb/ft of torque to get you into 12s? Damn, how much does your car weigh?

GTP, all it takes is 300 whp and 360 lb/ft of torque to get you into 12s? Damn, how much does your car weigh?

These are conservative estimates, but generally yeah a ~300whp GTP will be able to get high 12s. I ahave seen stock 04+GTPs dyno from 200-215whp stock.

My launches are shitty compared to a descent driver. Most GTP owners with this much power are hitting 1.7-1.8s 60's and getting mid-high 12s. The usual figure used for drivetrain loss on the GTPs is %26 and my car weighs about 3400lbs.

Sorry to hype this up so much, I hope the videos turn out ok.

Something about this thread reminds me of that song that never ends...
It just goes on and on my freinds.

The usual figure used for drivetrain loss on the GTPs is %26


Just wondering where you came up with 26%...I don't know much about GTPs, but the general stock drivetrain loss is estimated at 25% on my AWD vr4...how is a FWD car losing more? I know that drivetrain loss is never as simple as saying a % that sticks across the board...the %s are just estimates or general rules of thumb...so I'm not implying you are incorrect...this just perplexes me and I'm curious.

That's sound about right.

My car comes with 260hp at the crank stock, just like his, but people dyno at about 210-215 whp. That's about 20% loss for the automatic. The 6 speeds usually dyno at around 225 whp and up.

The plan is for Thursday evening...

Thanks for being patient.

hey where yall live i wanna come play

hey where yall live i wanna come play

You mean you wanna get murdered by GTP's V6?

You mean you wanna get murdered by GTP's V6?
woah...i know Jeff's GTP is fast, but that doesnt mean he is the fastest. From his profile allthrottle has a 99 camaro. If it is a z28 that has been modified, he could be a contender.

its a z28 with mods about 340rwhp

Like I said, dont assume someone doesnt have something to bring...

i figure from this thread we should all be runing about the same it would be a cool race too bad they probably dont live anywhere near me

i figure from this thread we should all be runing about the same it would be a cool race too bad they probably dont live anywhere near me

I am driving 3 1/2 hours to race in Sacramento this friday, can you make it there?

Nevermind I see you are in Lewisville, TX. I just bought some drag radials from a guy with a GTP running 12.9@110 that lives there.

Did you race yet? What happened?

Did you race yet? What happened?

The plan is for Thursday.

Good luck my friend :bigthumb: and remember.....



I say do your thing and return to us with a full report, i expect it to be at least a page and a half long, paragraphs doubled spaced, with correct grammar, comprende'?


Now off with you, and dont return until the deed is finished. :smokin:

With a video

Kind of off topic but dosnt the new M5 the one hes NOT racing use throttle bodies? How come? I was learning about fuel injection systems in car class today and it seems that direct Fuel injection would be better.

Probably the same reason M3s use throttle boddies....but I dont know that either.

Probably the same reason M3s use throttle boddies....but I dont know that either.
best answer ever...

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Update:

It rained heavily out here on the west coast so if the roads are too wet the race won't happen this week. :disappoin

It is sunny now(Wednesday morning) so hopefully everything dries up by tommorow night.

Sorry Josh I wasn't going to post again without racing but I don't want anyone to think I flaked at the last minute. THIS RACE WILL HAPPEN. I have been waiting to do this since I bought the car, nearly 1 1/2 years ago. :evillol:

Hey it's alright, i'm a patient guy......kinda...not really.....um, yeah.. Anywho good luck when it does finally get under way.:bigthumb:

having multiple throttle bodies makes the air flowing into each cylinder alot more uniformed thus giving a near exact air fuel ratio across all the cylinders. it also flows better too. they even have turbo cars with multiple throttle bodies. the RB26DETT found on skyline GT-R's, they have 6 throttle bodies with turbo. same with the SR20DET's found on the pulsar GTi-R's. they have 4 throttle bodies along with a turbo as well. they flow amazingly good, and have better throttle response compared to single throttle bodied converted drag setups of the RB.

tonites the night that I watch an insane video or hunt down Jeff.

I shall wait happily by a computer that has high speed internet.

Ya man, I don't blame him at all for not racing. It has been raining like fuckin crazy out here.

Today is the day huh? I might be willing to let you guys use my ftp server for the video. But, it's kind of slow

I get great download, but the upload pretty much sucks. I will keep it up there for a week. Jeff, PM me if you're interested

Today is the day huh? I might be willing to let you guys use my ftp server for the video. But, it's kind of slow

I get great download, but the upload pretty much sucks. I will keep it up there for a week. Jeff, PM me if you're interested

Let me see what I get first.
It looks like the streets will be dry enough, and everything is in order.
It will be hard to live up to 7pages of hype but I'll do my best.

91 posts and over 1,300 views.......damn this is an highly anticipated race.

I just got here jeff but damn I hope U smoke that M5

So good luck man :cheers: :dogpile: :cheers:

oH YEA, I think it's highly possible on a good run=)

Gotta throw my luck behind my Bavarian Bro, go ///M5. But good luck to both of ya'll.

Gotta throw my luck behind my Bavarian Bro, go ///M5. But good luck to both of ya'll.
Thats kinda how I am. I have a freind with a GTP, but I am still very bias towards bavarians. However I am hoping Jeff wins due to being a fellow AF member, in any other case id be on the side of ///m power.

BMW owners...were like a cult...lol

BMW owners...were like a cult...lol

Cult? what cult :evillol:

Cults a bad word. I think fraternity is more proper of a term. God I love my BMW.

hmmm thursday evening did you do it yet? Sister has a GTP so im rooting for you jeff.

BMW owners...were like a cult...lol
Yea but in my case BMW is only my favorite company from a distance. Im 17 and work at a grocery store. So I wont own that Bavarian cult status until im outta med school :( .

Actually, with the importing of the 1 serries, as well as the laon program with the 325i....thats how I got mine. But be carefull. Once you get into a BMW...nothing else will do.

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good run man....that's pretty impressive to have waxed an m5...especially with your sleeper car that you have.....awesome

Good job man, damn nice kill

Well we raced and the M5 went down. When we were driving out to the spot we planned to race, he rode up next to me and floored it around 60mph, so I quickly did as well and easily went ahead. So when we got to the spot and pulled over to let my brother in his car to film, he said it was pretty clear which car was going to win. He wanted to get a small head start to see if I could catch up since we already knew what would happen otherwise. :uhoh:

So the vids I have are both of me passing him surprisingly with ease after giving him generous leads. After all of this we did race from a stop but my brother flubbed on the filming so he only got us talking at the light. LOL. I ended up about 2-3 car lengths ahead at about 60-70mph when I shut down, and I was one car ahead around 40-50mph. He claimed it was not a very good launch which no doubt is true. I had a hard enough time getting this guy to race but now that he did and had fun he said he would be willing to go again. Hopefully this time we will get better footage.

Man it was excillerating! The M5 went down, HARD! The beating was so bad you will think he wasn't even going all out.

Oh yeah I can't post the vids until 11amPST Sorry! They aren't that great anyways, footage is from the M5 and it is at night.

Vids:
1) "The difference in power is clear"
2) "Flies by me at 100+ and I still catch him"
3) "My brother's flub at the light"

Poor ///M5, had my money on him. Oh well, good kills anyways. Better luck to my Bavarian Bro next time.

WOOOOO!!!! Score one for the W body..

geez people, i mean i don't want to say it but








































i told ya so, LoL

Great kill jeff


Are the vids up yet?

Man it was excillerating! The M5 went down, HARD! The beating was so bad you will think he wasn't even going all out.


Congrats Jeff!! Score one for the Sleeper :biggrin: .

I thought the M5 would have given you a better run. I'm surprised you pulled him on the top end too ... you got a real strong runner!!

Still I have to wonder how you would have done agianst a V10... bet you woulda smoked it too ;).

Thanks for the compliments, I was genuinely worried I would lose.

VIDS are here:
http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/gtpsleeper2

"Brother's flub & goofy M5 guy's voice"

"Flyby and I still catch the M5"

"M5 Loses Badly"

Nice!

Good kill. You must be trapping at over 107 mph now. I'd say you must be trapping around 109 the way you pulled him.

Good kill. You must be trapping at over 107 mph now. I'd say you must be trapping around 109 the way you pulled him.

Yeah, my PB and recent runs all have been with a slipping transmission, especially on the 1-2 shift. Just yesterday it wouldn't even shift at WOT, so I guess I know what I need to save up for now. I agree, I think the car would get 108-109 if the 1-2 shift was cleaned up.

I'm gonna have to wait till later to view the vids, but good kill Jeff, I knew it was possible.

It's a manual right? Does it grind the gears? Have you missed a lot of shifts with it? Done speedshifting?

It's a manual right? Does it grind the gears? Have you missed a lot of shifts with it? Done speedshifting?

Its an automatic that normally protects the transmission with a heavy torque management system setup in the pcm. I have had most of this removed and it has probably worn down the 1-2 shift. Otherwise depending on the pcm's calculated torque, timing and the throttle position will be drastically lowered at the shift points. So the more mods you add to these cars the more power the stock pcm will pull at the shift points!

I have a tap shift system in the car as well but when I tried that it shifted from 1st to 4th! My transmission has ~43K miles on it.

I ran three times last friday:
13.1@107 (1-2 shift hanged)
20.5@42 (wouldn't shift out of 1st at WOT)
14.1@82 (shifted from 1st-4th!)

Its an automatic that normally protects the transmission with a heavy torque management system setup in the pcm. I have had most of this removed and it has probably worn down the 1-2 shift. Otherwise depending on the pcm's calculated torque, timing and the throttle position will be drastically lowered at the shift points. So the more mods you add to these cars the more power the stock pcm will pull at the shift points!

I have a tap shift system in the car as well but when I tried that it shifted from 1st to 4th! My transmission has ~43K miles on it.

I ran three times last friday:
13.1@107 (1-2 shift hanged)
20.5@42 (wouldn't shift out of 1st at WOT)
14.1@82 (shifted from 1st-4th!)

haha, you didn't even get out first on that one run and you still ran a faster 1/4 than burntrice's v6 mustang. :lol:

I have an auto tranny and the triptonic sucks major ass. I always gateshift. It keeps it in the gear you want without shifting by itself like triptonic does.