LS vs GSR?

Hi all i am just wondering what if any advantages either of these cars have over each other. i realize that one downside to the GSR is it takes premium fuel but how do these two cars compare.

I am trying to make the choice on which to purchase


Thanks for your time

GSR is faster than LS. Get a GSR. i have an LS, but if i can do it all over again, i would get a GSR

Yeah Gsr is the way to go.

thanks for the help

ls/vtec is koo too, u can always beat a gsr and type r too, if u know how to build it right, but like GREASE MONKEY say u can go with the gsr from all that hassle.

Just read my name I love my GSR :evillol:

yea we can see that or your head is getting bigger. My dc2 integra is fast and look better then yours =P

looks better also?...i dunno stock ls vs stock gsr....those LS rims aren't that great lookin and GSR exahaust tip gives it an extra point haha.....but im sure you've changed all that

Gsr! ;)

go with the gsr.

gsr has an lsd transmission also and a better breaking system

Gsr doesn't come with LSD from factory. Not here in America.

thats odd cuz my gsr has a lsd and every gsr transmission i look for has it too even when i look at the specs for all the b series trannys the jdm ones are helical lsd which are the ones from japan but lsd were put in the ones here atleast i thought that cuz mines not a jdm and it has an lsd in it

Are you sure about that? I'm almost certain that USDM doesn't have factory lsd.

Yea my brother has a GSR USDM 98 wit no lsd

The GSR does not come with an LSD. Type R's do

well mines a 2000 gsr and it has lsd. if they still make hondas with the first letter of the vin # sayin where there were manufactured mine starts with a J its been awhile since i check vins on that stuff but it means it was assembled in japan i think atleast my older accord was that way. im not really too sure either but i never saw a gsr tranny with 2 different codes they were all B18C1 trannys. but anyways ma bad guys im not a 100% sure either i just assumed cuz i never saw anything different.im learning alot about my car ive never had an acura before but i had an accord and everything broke on it so i fixed everything so far heh. but gsr is the way to go unless u get a hold of a type R or jdm

i dont no maybe im on crack too haha

Well i'm 100% sure that they dont come in LSD. How did you check yours?

Gsr all the way

Wait... you thought because you car was built in Japan you had a J-Spec engine/tranny and thus had a LSD?

Wow.... *takes a step back, then another step into the shadow...*

i'd prefer a turbocharge ls anyday.
and no, gsr does not have lsd.

I own a 94 ls, lightly modified (too poor) And I wouldn't go with anything else, minus the type r for a near perfect stock suspension. The LS has a lower compression ratio and has more torque, less hp (142 in the ls to the gsr's 160) but if you wanna turbo charge it, the LS is the way to go, already has a non/vtec engine, means you don't gotta buy a vtec controller, lower compression, can run higher boost on the sotck engine. But of course that depends on what you're trying to do. If you were to go all motor then the gsr is of course your best choice.

I own a 94 ls, lightly modified (too poor) And I wouldn't go with anything else, minus the type r for a near perfect stock suspension. The LS has a lower compression ratio and has more torque, less hp (142 in the ls to the gsr's 160) but if you wanna turbo charge it, the LS is the way to go, already has a non/vtec engine, means you don't gotta buy a vtec controller, lower compression, can run higher boost on the sotck engine. But of course that depends on what you're trying to do. If you were to go all motor then the gsr is of course your best choice.

actually , your wrong ... the gsr has more hp and more torque , the ls just makes its torque peak at a lower rpm http://www.geocities.com/chipman_13/hon-car-eng.html see for yourself ... and VTEC engines flow hand in hand with a turbo , and the GSR has 170 hp stock ...

Crippy is right :)

means you don't gotta buy a vtec controller

You're making sound like a vtec controller is highly expensive! Anyways maybe not a vtec controller but surely an apex safc! ;)

means you don't gotta buy a vtec controller, lower compression, can run higher boost on the sotck engine.


But i bet you anything that higher compression turbo set up makes a shit load of more power than a lower compression.

But i bet you anything that higher compression turbo set up makes a shit load of more power than a lower compression.

sorry man, but this is false. yes this is true if they were set at the same psi. but unlike a high compression motor, the lower compression allows it to run higher boost thus making more power. if high comp, and turbo setups were so good together, people would be turbocharging type-r's like crazy, but i don't see that happening. the most ideal compression for a turbo setup belongs to the b18a1 and b1.

You want to put money on it? Just because they're running higher boost doesn't mean they're faster than high compression on lower boost. Maybe hp is different but not necessarily faster.

people would be turbocharging type-r's like crazy, but i don't see that happening.

The reason for that is because ppl are giv'n them all that hype about sayin its not safe. Thats true if its not TUNED correctly.

look at ur arguement, u say a high compression motor makes shit loads more power. now if im not mistaken ur saying hp doesn't nessarily make it faster? stick with one argument please.
i'll admit, there is some type-r and gsr's out there that are making huge power from boost, but for them to do this, they must lower compression.

The reason for that is because ppl are giv'n them all that hype about sayin its not safe. Thats true if its not TUNED correctly.

if u know anything about forced induction, u would know that high compression and boost does not go well together. tuning can only take u so far. a bad batch of gas, and no tuning can help u.

Ok i see where you're getting at. The reason lower compression turbo makes more power cause the boost higher ...right? Thats the only reason why they make more power. What i was tryin to say is that it doesn't mean they're faster. Just so you dont get confused.

if u know anything about forced induction, u would know that high compression and boost does not go well together. tuning can only take u so far. a bad batch of gas, and no tuning can help u.

Thats total BULLSHIT!! One guy on this board had a high compression b16 runnin for 3 years! 2 guys in chicago ran theres for 2 1/2 year with NO PROBLEM on there integra type r! Tuning matters! If its TUNED RIGHT your car shouldn't have any problems!

Thats total BULLSHIT!! One guy on this board had a high compression b16 runnin for 3 years! 2 guys in chicago ran theres for 2 1/2 year with NO PROBLEM on there integra type r! Tuning matters! If its TUNED RIGHT your car shouldn't have any problems!

who is this guy? maxspeedhonda? maybe i didn't make this clear, when i said boost i don't mean the set 7-8psi, but high boost. i used boost as a general term, and yes to restate my arguement, high compression and high boost will not get along, so i hope u have real evidence of this thats thats street driven. we argue this over and over again in the forced inductuction forum so many times its gets really redundant and pointless. check out some of threads there, i don't want to bring all the turbocharger gurus in here to argue something we've been argueing so many times.

I'll find his post. At the time i was arguin with him sayin what you were sayin basically. He proved me wrong when sent me his dyno sheets which i dont have anymore. It was nearly 3yrs ago! Go to honda-tech.com you'll see the arguments there and yes its been argued so many times. Thats because ppl always tryin to down on other ppl when they go high compression turbo! It'll last long as long as its tuned right. Of course it'll last longer if the bottom end is BUILT! I know high boost on high compression doesn't do well together. Thats the whole POINT! Thats why i'm sayin that the car runs just as fast or faster against high boost on lower cr. THe most i've seen is 15psi and this guy was hitting low 11s or high 10s. My friend built his gsr with 9:1 cr running high 11s at i think 18 -20 psi...not sure on the PSI part. Its around there. Now he bumped the compression to stock and now hes running low 11s. No its not maxspeedhonda.

Here it is....

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33137&page=1&pp=15&highlight=high+compression+turbo

Notice that i didn't know much about boost at the time. I'm all about bein all motor then and now. Thanks to Mat3t4 i've learned alot about boosting.

[QUOTE=mellowboy] My friend built his gsr with 9:1 cr running high 11s at i think 18 -20 psi...not sure on the PSI part. Its around there. Now he bumped the compression to stock and now hes running low 11s. QUOTE]

im sorry but i do not believe this 18-20 psi with a stock c/r, unless his turbo is a t25 or smaller which will barely get even get him into the lo 14's.

[QUOTE=mellowboy]

im sorry but i do not believe this 18-20 psi with a stock c/r, unless his turbo is a t25 or smaller which will barely get even get him into the lo 14's.


READ AGAIN! Its not STOCK. 10:1 is stock not 9:1. You can ask anyone in Honda-Tech that are in ILLINOIS to see if they know Jaime or Robert ( brothers ). If they do they'll tell you how fast Jaime's car is. Probably tell you his set up.I'm sure someone on there knows him cause hes really well known.

READ AGAIN! Its not STOCK. 10:1 is stock not 9:1. You can ask anyone in Honda-Tech that are in ILLINOIS to see if they know Jaime or Robert ( brothers ). If they do they'll tell you how fast Jaime's car is. Probably tell you his set up.I'm sure someone on there knows him cause hes really well known.

look again, u said 9:1 at 18-20 psi right? then u said he bump it to stock c/r which of course be 10:1 at 18-20 psi. a safe stock bosst for a turbocharge b18c1 with a t3/t4 would have to be 7-9 psi on high octane gas (91-93), not 18-20 psi.

Ok first of all hes not using a t3/t4 turbo. I'm not sure what turbo he has exactly. I'm gonna call him up to see if he can email me his set up so you can see for yourself.

and anyways check out some of the threads in the forced induction forum, i got dynos posted up of stock b18c1 and stock b18b1 and what happens when higher boost is used on the b18b1. like i said before, tuning is great and u can do wonders, but do u think a ordinary person can make power such as the tuner u shown? any awesome tuner can make a motor run wonders, but a bad batch of gas, and not even tuning can't help u.

Ok first of all hes not using a t3/t4 turbo. I'm not sure what turbo he has exactly. I'm gonna call him up to see if he can email me his set up so you can see for yourself.

well i would like to see what he is running. a t3/t4 is the most ideal turbo setup for a 1.8 lt. anything smaller and u will have to rasie up the boost similar to the numbers u give me, but it won't see 11's. anything turbo bigger and it will run less boost, but it can be able to reach those times depending how well the the tuner is and how well his setup runs.

Yep he got it tuned really nice. Hes using AEM ems. I'm tellin you its fully done up! From the trans to the head!

Yep he got it tuned really nice. Hes using AEM ems. I'm tellin you its fully done up! From the trans to the head!

yes but running 11's on a stock compression? and not to mention at such a high psi level too. this goes back to the high compression and high boost issue.

I'll see what his set up is. Cause i'm not too sure what kind of turbo hes running. He did order the drag gen 3 kit but he only used it for 5 months and then he changed his set up. He only kept the intercooler.

No you're wrong. If you were right then all turbocharged cars that come out of the factory would be running higher compression because it would make more power. Turbocharging a car raises the compression in the combustion chamber, so by lowering it you allow it to compressed more. Now if you try to do this at high boost in a high compression engine, lets say 15-20psi, then you have a very high chance of blowing you entire block apart. Have you ever seen a turbocharged high compression skyline, or sylivia, or hell even an eclipse. No, they all are most likey less than 10.5:1 ratio.

No you're wrong. If you were right then all turbocharged cars that come out of the factory would be running higher compression because it would make more power. Turbocharging a car raises the compression in the combustion chamber, so by lowering it you allow it to compressed more. Now if you try to do this at high boost in a high compression engine, lets say 15-20psi, then you have a very high chance of blowing you entire block apart. Have you ever seen a turbocharged high compression skyline, or sylivia, or hell even an eclipse. No, they all are most likey less than 10.5:1 ratio.


Ok listen. Dont use manufactuers as a reason tellin me that i'm wrong. That seriously doesn't mean shit. Did i ever say 20 psi on a high compression ??? NO. I said 15 psi and its BEEN DONE SO MANY TIMES. I've seen it. Have you? Its all in the TUNING. If its tuned well then you wont have any problems. Also building the engine will be a good idea! Higher compression turbo means less LAG!! It'll punch the power to the streets quicker since the turbo is spooling quicker! The lower compression set up wouldn't see power instantly 'til it hits boost level! Not to mention that it has more lag to it! Think about it, all motor cars are more likely to beat FI cars in the street cause it puts power to the ground instantly! Now just imagine adding turbo to "all motor" set up will do. Its a monster thats for sure!

what all motor car will be an F1 car? You mean formula 1?

FI - Forced Induction

we are getting way off toipc here. lets go get back to the ls vs. gsr topic or atleast start a topic of high and lo compression.

Think about it, all motor cars are more likely to beat FI cars in the street cause it puts power to the ground instantly! Now just imagine adding turbo to "all motor" set up will do. Its a monster thats for sure!

this is way too general, u have to be more specific. just cause a car is all motor doesn't mean it will automatically beat a f/i car. this would be true however it they both have the same amount of hp and tq.

this is way too general, u have to be more specific. just cause a car is all motor doesn't mean it will automatically beat a f/i car. this would be true however it they both have the same amount of hp and tq.


Oh trust me! All motor cars rule the streets no matter what! Now if someone was to go against a car that has high compression turbo ...theres a good chance that the all motor guy will lose. High compression turbo means less lag. Having turbo lag in the streets would be the all motors advantage over them.

If your going Turbo, I would go with the LS. The car will be cheaper, the insurence will be cheaper, and I'm sure a non/vtec head will have enuf air flow for a turbo. But, I don't know squat about forced air induction. I do know, if you have a great mechanic, the Ls VTEC is a great combo......fISH

All motor cars rule the streets no matter what!.

how does an all motor car rule the street? all motor is just the route ur going to take. my friend has an all motor ls that runs 14's will this be enough to take out a supra or 300zx twin turbo? hell no. his plans is to reach 12's in the ls, but sh*t with the supra, swapped out the measely twins and get a huge turbo and it will smoke that 12 sec teg no prob. i suggest u should be clearer in ur statement please.

a lot of people, including me have respect for all motor. it has better throttle response, u don't have to wait for boost @ wot, and its just sweet to know a person doesn't need a snail to go fast. on the other hand, all motor is way more expensive, and harder to extract every little hp.

ok i repeat, we are way of topic here. the topic, ls vs gsr.

well personally I would go with the gs-r no matter what set-up I would be going for.

LS is the cheap way out I guess, like B18 said cheaper insurence, cheaper car, and you can turbo her right out the gate for about 7-8 psi. makes a quick car!

However vtec and boost is a killer combo, but it takes more money to pull off. to run more than say 5 psi you would need to invest in some internal work on the gs-r. Anpther plus that I haven't seen anyone else mention is the tranny, the gs-r has much better gearing (turbo or not) and is going to get you down the quarter faster than an LS tranny anyday.

how does an all motor car rule the street? all motor is just the route ur going to take. my friend has an all motor ls that runs 14's will this be enough to take out a supra or 300zx twin turbo? hell no. his plans is to reach 12's in the ls, but sh*t with the supra, swapped out the measely twins and get a huge turbo and it will smoke that 12 sec teg no prob. i suggest u should be clearer in ur statement please.

Street and track are two DIFFERENT WORLDS! I was actually reffering turbocharged hondas vs all motor hondas. Just because your friend runs 14s all motor (weak) doesn't mean all motor cars doesn't have a chance against FI! For an example. This guy named charles has a hatch runs 13 flat with a type r motor and jun head! He kills turbo cars left and right! I've heard about him and i went to go see it myself! He KILLED a sentra with a sr20det swap by 2 cars! Now tell me whats sup? Ask ANYONE that they'll tell you all motor rule the street! I haven't seen any all motor hondas went up against a supra but i'm pretty sure the all motor hondas MIGHT have a chance against them since there turbo spools up late! You keep bringin up shit and i keep backin my word up. So lets do keep it on this guys topic and let him decide what he wants to do with his ride.

Street and track are two DIFFERENT WORLDS! I was actually reffering turbocharged hondas vs all motor hondas. Just because your friend runs 14s all motor (weak) doesn't mean all motor cars doesn't have a chance against FI! For an example. This guy named charles has a hatch runs 13 flat with a type r motor and jun head! He kills turbo cars left and right! I've heard about him and i went to go see it myself! He KILLED a sentra with a sr20det swap by 2 cars! Now tell me whats sup? Ask ANYONE that they'll tell you all motor rule the street! I haven't seen any all motor hondas went up against a supra but i'm pretty sure the all motor hondas MIGHT have a chance against them since there turbo spools up late! You keep bringin up shit and i keep backin my word up. So lets do keep it on this guys topic and let him decide what he wants to do with his ride.

ok first off how about u specify instead of saying all motor cars are faster than fi cars. when u implemented the word "cars," this goes beyond just hondas, so dont try to tell me ur only just refering to hondas.

street and track are two different worlds, i can agree to that, but so... whats ur point? are u saying there isn't any fast turbocharged hondas on the street that can't beat a fast all motor honda? if that is what ur implying, ur wrong.

the fastest and most affordable way to gain power is f/i, not all-motor. whoever told u all motor is cheaper or faster on the streets is wrong and have no clue what they are talking about.

oh and 13 flat from a type-r motor with a jun head is nothing to brag about. let me see, he swapped the motor and head right? to have a motor cut 2 secs off it original stock time without forced induction hence the word-- all-motor, now that is something to brag about, whether its 14 sec or not.

another thing, u call that back up? please, how about u actually give me a link to this guys web page or site, now that is back up. what ur telling me is no better than heresay, which im to assume what ur telling is correct? yeah ok. an all-motor set-up utilizing an ls/vtec built correctly that can run lo 13's is going to cost u about $8000.00. for a turbocharged set-up, a rev-hard stage two kit costing about $3000 or even a greddy kit costing $2500.00 with some really good tires can also do the job, now how does all-motor rule the street? heres real back up, look at the price difference.

http://www.importreview.com/reviews/lsvtec.html

http://www.horsepowerfreak.com/REVH_TKIT.asp

heres a link to a turbocharge type-r, hhmmm... wonder why they lowered the compression to a 9.0:1? maybe its because high compression and high boost dont get along. :rolleyes: so i really want to know how that guy of urs runs a stock compression of 10.1 in the b`8c1 at what was it, 18-20 psi?

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0302scc_uscc2_05/

now we are way off topic, if u want to contuinue this either start a new thread, email or IM me. if u want to IM, email, and i will happily give u my aol sn so we can further debate this.