I hate a focus

Everyone needs to see a little more about the SVT before the keep dissing the car. Most of you probably drive a little honda or something of the sort and i havent raced a civic yet that can even attempt to hang with my focus SVT so maybe you should know a little about a car before you talk bad about it.

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i drive a foci....not an svt but I have whipped a few SVT's while out late on a friday night. and i dont know what you are talking about....but i havent seen people talkin shit about the focus on here. those imports are just mad i take their money every friday night :D

ive raced an svt focii...... beat it too..... stock times are 15.9 according to car and driver and motor trend... my stock times are 15.7 in my '03 zx2... ive hit 15.8 w/ 17's in my basically stock zx2... if i put my 15's back on... no need to even say what would happen... svt's are overrated... so are civic si's...

SVTs are not over rated, the SVT focus is. The SVT lighting is a god, the SVT mustang is a god, the SVT Coontour was fast. The SVT focus just doesnt have it. . .

thats cuz people think SVT= straight line performance. The SVT Focus was made with AutoX in mind, if it had say the ZX2's gearing it would run consistant 15.2-.4 range, but it was geared for the twisties.

For th record i have seen a few SVT foci run 15.4-.6's with just air filters

SVTs are not over rated, the SVT focus is. The SVT lighting is a god, the SVT mustang is a god, the SVT Coontour was fast. The SVT focus just doesnt have it. . .
ok you got a point there... the lightning is fuckin awesome and the mustang is fuckin cool as shit.... contour eh... never liked it but it was quick... focus is a joke imho... they could have put the duratec in it and supercharged that bitch... then i would worship the damn thing but w/ just the 2.0... lets just say that every svt out there BESIDES the focus is supercharged... its supergay that the focus is not... all svts are thought of as straight line machines... i don't see why the focus should be anything different...

ok you got a point there... the lightning is fuckin awesome and the mustang is fuckin cool as shit.... contour eh... never liked it but it was quick... focus is a joke imho... they could have put the duratec in it and supercharged that bitch... then i would worship the damn thing but w/ just the 2.0... lets just say that every svt out there BESIDES the focus is supercharged... its supergay that the focus is not... all svts are thought of as straight line machines... i don't see why the focus should be anything different...

SVT Contour was supercharged, straight line machine??? Wow I missed that one.... :cwm27:

The SVT Contour is not that great of a performer, sorry.

SVT Contour 15.7 1/4 mile (motortrend)
VS
SVT Focus 15.9 1/4 mile (car & driver)
The quarter mile times would make it a driver's race, but I'd say the Focus would dominate at a road track.

Contour SVT is NOT supercharged

I donno what retard tested those cars but a Contour SVT can run cnsistant 15.2-15.4 runs with a good driver, and a SVT Focus can run constant 15.5-15.7

and fro a Supercharged 5.4l w/ only 380HP is total shit. if a 4.6l can make 390hp then why would they make a truck that can probably make that with out the charger. IMO the Lightning is VERY over rated due to no competition untill now. its only 30HP more then the Hemi or Silverado SS that also has AWD, and th3 SRT-10 makes more HP per L, so even if it was a v8 it would in theory have more power then the Lighting. I dont see getting 30hp fom a Supercharger as anthing impressive, im sure with better tuning, raised compression and a good intake and header/exasut design they could have done it N/A

Those times are from the mags by their times. They're generally considered good times. Naturally better drivers can get better times. But they are used as a basic comparison. And they're both off by the same amount...... Contour is only .2 sec. faster.

The lightning is no different than the Cobra, STI or evo...

It's really simple to get very large increases in hp. There are plenty around here putting down over 400 whp. And in the hands of a good driver, are very capable track cars, with excellent handling.

I know someone who uses one for a tow vehicle and then took it on the track. He beat up on some cars that he shouldn't have been able to.
Cobras, WRX, a 911....

Of course, the driver placed in the top 5 at the National historic Shelby race last year.

i'm really not that impressed with the SVT focus either. as for the other svts yeah they rock. as for the svt contour not being fast, could that really be true? 190- 200 hp not fast? could it be that heavy? i'd like to see it with a vortech supercharger, they claim 290hp i think? either way love the looks of all svts

yes they are about 2800lbs (maybe more) it is more of a cruise/refined car then a storty car

yeah, but i just love the looks of those things (getting repetitivee aren't i?) with the factory ground effects and all that. wish they'd dump the svt focus and remake that thing. by the way what's the deal with the first 2 posts on this? just dumb. why pick this web site to try to pick a fight with words? don't you have the nuts to go pick a real fight? forget it, just go smoke one of your buddies at Halo. some people are just dumb

the only thing I'm gonna post is to sr guy up there. the srt-10 does not make more hp per liter then the lightning.

your right my fault the L makes 4more hp per liter, but even with 2 cylinders disabled on the SRT-10 its roughly even HP wise

and with all that more hp the srt-10 makes its only 2 tenths faster. might want to cut some of that weight off the pig. the new lightning is gonna have 500hp and lightweight racing rims. and not weight near as much as that srt-10

Lately i've begun to hate Ford. I have a 2003 ZX3 with only 18,000 miles on it. The damn thing has been giving me a problem that i couldnt figure out till now, only because of this forum. As far as the SVT goes..very nice interior but its not a fast car. All i have on my Focus is an intake and exhaust. My friend has a SVT focus, also with an intake and an exhaust. I figure he should smoke me in a race, right? WRONG. he beats me alright but not buy much ( maybe a few feet). so we figure something is up with his car. we take it to Ford and the car was jacked up b4 he pulled it out of the dealership. Piston 3 was bad. problem fixed. so now we think he'll do much better..WRONG..now he only beats me by .5 of a second MAX. The SVT isn't a special car. just another poor quality car put together by FORD.

that means he his a bad driver twisted...the zx3's and SVT's have a MAJOR difference in horsepower. he mustve not known how to shift. and quit hatin the fords because they have the BEST warrenty out there. take it to ford instead of trying to fix problems yourself and they will do it for free.

and btw. the SVT is hittin up 170 hp compared to the 130 a stock zx3 is puttin out. or if you want to talk numbers....112 whp for a stock zx3 and around 155 or so for the svt. SVT's are quick, but you shouldnt judge the car from a dumbshit driver.

and with all that more hp the srt-10 makes its only 2 tenths faster. might want to cut some of that weight off the pig. the new lightning is gonna have 500hp and lightweight racing rims. and not weight near as much as that srt-10

but the structural design isnt going to allow the lightning to use all 500 horses except in towing

but the structural design isnt going to allow the lightning to use all 500 horses except in towing


ok dude think what you want. too bad the zx2 is about 300lbs lighter and will beat an svt focus stock for stock. what a freaking waste. they shoulda made a svt zx2.

a zx2 will NOT beat a SVT focus stock for stock, in both autoX and the 1/4 a svt will beat a stock zx2 unless the driver BLOWS. a ZX2 s/r vs svt focus would be a little more failr but the svt should edge it out in both races also.

and 143whp vs 108(more realistic numbers) inst much of a difference when the SVT has taller wheels and the zx3 has better gearing and less weight then the svt

ok dude think what you want. too bad the zx2 is about 300lbs lighter and will beat an svt focus stock for stock. what a freaking waste. they shoulda made a svt zx2.

i was talking about the LIGHTNING GUY! not a zx2.

Most SVT Focus dyno in around 150-155 whp and stock ZX3 right around 105-109 whp. I've seen a luck one come in 112 whp. That just means dyno tuning will not gain them much. The Zetec has no locks on the cam gears, leading to the HP differences.
It takes more than a couple of mods for a ZX3 to beat a SVT Focus....
The ZX3 needs cam gears and dyno tuning just to get out of the hole they start in. Start with a base ZX3 without power or premium packages.
Add cam gears, dyno tuning, race header and 2.25 exhaust w/flex and a Volant and then you can beat a SVT. (For a whole lot less money. :iceslolan )

And gearing... The ZX2 has the best gearing for 1/4. I believe it has the stock 4.06 gear everyone is swapping into their Focus. :rofl:

The ZX2 S/R was a underappreciated car that suffered from the Escort legacy. SVT Focus vs ZX2 S/R... I think it's very close, too close to call(maybe an edge to the S/R).

right a zx2 s/r which i have never lost to with the same additions to the car. no not me getting all the s/r parts and then match parts. them having the "s/r package" and me having the bare model zx2. show me an s/r or svt focus that can get a 9.6 1/8th mile with jba header, icecrap intake, and essy udp, o and dual side exhaust which "supposedly hurts a 4 cylinder perforomance"
Rob from zxtuner has a s/r with the best intake the hot shot and kami header and a cam and he ran guess what 9.6. there was a focus here with my mods and a 60 shot who got a 9.4. so ya i got much respect for s/r's :rolls eyes:

a zx2 will NOT beat a SVT focus stock for stock, in both autoX and the 1/4 a svt will beat a stock zx2 unless the driver BLOWS. a ZX2 s/r vs svt focus would be a little more failr but the svt should edge it out in both races also.

and 143whp vs 108(more realistic numbers) inst much of a difference when the SVT has taller wheels and the zx3 has better gearing and less weight then the svt

my bad but you are still on crack if you think the "structural design isnt gonna allow the lightning to use 500 hp" have you even seen the new body. svt isnt gonna build a truck that cant "handle the power". do you think a truck has to weigh over 5000lbs to handle 500hp you are a freaking idiot.

hey...guy....it was me not zx2. and after reading NUMEROUS THINGS FROM TOP TUNERS over the past few months, the structural DESIGN OF THE CHASSIS will not allow the truck to be able to OBTAIN THE SPEED aquired from a 500 hp motor because the limit of the chassis would handle is 150 mph. SO IVE HEARD!!!! but hey...you buy one and prove the things ive read wrong, than i will appologize.

The S/R has the same published 1/4 times as the SVT Focus and a slightly better skid pad. And a stock ZX2 WILL NOT beat a SVT Focus. That's a joke.

You need to compare stock to stock. Anyone can mod their car to outperform other cars. Let's be serious.


And about the Lightning. Which I do know something about.....
The Lightning's size prohibits it from reaching higher speeds. It's simply a matter of frontal area and resistance. Every car Ford manufactures has a speed governor, except the Lightning. These limits are based on the tire load recommendations. Remember the Firestone tire deal.....
The Lightning can not outrun it's tire speed limit because it's aerodynamically limited.

Oh, and there are limits to what a chassis and suspension can handle. The Focus's limit for example, is somewhere around 280 whp. Can you go higher?? Yes, and many people have. But when you hit around that mark it's a point of diminishing returns. It's also the point where the suspension and chassis become too stressed and things start to break.

hello who the hell rates their cars in top speed i mean for an internet site i've never seen someone say my car goes 190mph. do you know what a car that traps at 150 mph will run 10's maybe even 9's. thats plenty fast. as for your example being the lightning won't reach a very high mph that may be true, but i'll state again i dont go on top speeds and i dont know anyone else that does either so my bad on that one.

To Fordesigner...i have never seen a published time for an s/r in my life i would actually love to see it if you can show me...all the times i have ever seen for a zx2 have been a 98 model which they didnt make them in s/r trim and the time they got was a 15.7...

My apologies to all my smart ass comments as i wasnt aware of what was trying to be said.

anyways you are all free to visit my website www.nwzx2.com powder ran a 15.8 with a radio shack mod called pots. on 17's i might add.

its not your fault, i wasnt exactly clear as to what my point was. i was finding a hard time finding the words :D

and to ford designer - thats why after 250whp you reinforce the chassis and critical suspension components.

The S/R has the same published 1/4 times as the SVT Focus and a slightly better skid pad. And a stock ZX2 WILL NOT beat a SVT Focus. That's a joke.


a S/R doesnt have a published 1/4 and the skidpad it not as high as a SVT's is .01-.02 lower


I hear many stock SVT's running 15.3 at the track stock, S/R's have to have an AWSOME driver to hit 15.4 and even that is a streach many only manage 15.6-.7

Rob from zxtuner has a s/r with the best intake the hot shot and kami header and a cam and he ran guess what 9.6. there was a focus here with my mods and a 60 shot who got a 9.4. so ya i got much respect for s/r's :rolls eyes:

are you retarded you comparied a cra with basic boltons runnind a 9.6 to a focus with a 60 shot? are you retarded? you dont thinka a 60 shot is more then 1 cam, pully and header? you are a moron


and the s/r pacakge some preinstalled with better tires, ES bushings, struts springs, intake and a small HP bump with better low end tq with equal drivers the s/r WILL beat the stock zx2 buy a small margine.

In a $1,500 package you get a $300 pcm, $155 intake, $200 muffler, $190 springs, $50 bushings, $50 leather shift boot, $275 clutch, $160 struts, $49 shift knob, and Z rated tires

thats about $1,750+tax and or shipping if you get it from FR your self

or pay $1500 and get all the parts + install gee wonder what the better deal is

hahaha thats funny i ran a 9.6 with essy udp, jba, and dual side exhaust. ya i would compare that to a focus with my mods and a 60 shot. the only thing that makes the s/r have more power is the pcm. the icecrap maybe 1 whp and borla exhaust those mods are a freaking joke. you dont think i can compare my mods with a focus w/ a 60 shot. i do!!

so maybe your just a better driver hten Rob Green ever think of that?

hahaha thats funny i ran a 9.6 with essy udp, jba, and dual side exhaust. ya i would compare that to a focus with my mods and a 60 shot. the only thing that makes the s/r have more power is the pcm. the icecrap maybe 1 whp and borla exhaust those mods are a freaking joke. you dont think i can compare my mods with a focus w/ a 60 shot. i do!!

now you are starting to sound like a fucking retard. and borla is a joke??? BORLA HAS DYNO PROVEN TO BE THE BEST EXHAUST OUT THERE FOR THE FOCUS! yea ha ha ha borlas a big joke now huh bitch? and dual side exhaust? i feel bad for you, because all you did was add extra weight and not extra gains. and a jba, udp, and exhaust....BULLSHIT ARE YOU RUNNIN 9.6 EVEN WITH A 60 SHOT!!!!

you learn alot from working on cars, i suggest you either 1.) shut up and get a pen and paper because you will get schooled, or you can 2.) learn how cars work, realize your a jackass and stfu. http://photobucket.com/albums/v32/punkerjon/stfu.gif

dont ever call me a fucking liar you piece of shit...just because you can't run it in your car without nitrous doesnt mean i can't you freaking dumbshit.

Oi Boy your a F*CKing tard, a borla exaust for the escort is only a muffler so how about you learn shit about the right cars?

Oi Boy your a F*CKing tard, a borla exaust for the escort is only a muffler so how about you learn shit about the right cars?


sorry i didnt know we were talking about ESCORTS IN A FUCKING FOCUS FORUM. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, everything I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS FOR FOCUS DUMBFUCK!

well the topic is i hate a focus so i thought hey maybe we can talk about it.

um... i can back john on this... despite what people say... dual side exhaust... WILL NOT HURT YOUR TIMES... news flash ur an asswipe that knows absolutely nothing. get a fucking clue... so ghead, think what u want... or wait, you could click on the link that john provided, watch his car at the 1/8th mile track pull a 9.6, and SHUT THE FUCK UP BECAUSE YOU'RE WRONG ASSWIPE... so thanks for posting and uh... have a nice day.... :flipa:

um... i can back john on this... despite what people say... dual side exhaust... WILL NOT HURT YOUR TIMES... news flash ur an asswipe that knows absolutely nothing. get a fucking clue... so ghead, think what u want... or wait, you could click on the link that john provided, watch his car at the 1/8th mile track pull a 9.6, and SHUT THE FUCK UP BECAUSE YOU'RE WRONG ASSWIPE... so thanks for posting and uh... have a nice day.... :flipa:


this will be great because i want to hear your response to this....have you (zx2000) ever worked on a car? dual exhaust is pointless on a 4 banger, and only ADDS EXTRA WEIGHT TO YOUR CAR! yea its only 2-3 lbs. but every ounce counts right? it does nothing to improve performance, and is for looks only.

EDIT: i just saw what john is saying....hahaha 1/8th mile...SORRY I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A REAL QUARTER MILE! thats nice....whats that at 16 for you? WITH NITROUS? i know foci that run 16s with only I/E. cool.

this will be great because i want to hear your response to this....have you (zx2000) ever worked on a car? dual exhaust is pointless on a 4 banger, and only ADDS EXTRA WEIGHT TO YOUR CAR! yea its only 2-3 lbs. but every ounce counts right? it does nothing to improve performance, and is for looks only.

EDIT: i just saw what john is saying....hahaha 1/8th mile...SORRY I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A REAL QUARTER MILE! thats nice....whats that at 16 for you? WITH NITROUS? i know foci that run 16s with only I/E. cool.

Please tell me your not that retarded. A 10.6 will get you close to a 16 flat. i had udp/h/e when i got that 9.6 8th mile which is good for a 15.0 you freaking clueless assclown.

http://nwzx2.com/movies/track_wa/07162004/run12.wmv
that is without the shorty header and a 9.9 8th mile retard. by the way that is with my brake pads rubbing on my rotors the whole time and 89mph is good for low 15's.

Oh and if you think a 16 is good for I/E here is a stock ZX2 same track same day as me.
http://nwzx2.com/movies/track_wa/07162004/run18.wmv

Do you want to dig your hole any deeper. We had the North texas focus crowd from focal jet come out and have a friendly competition with us and not one of them won against us. the guy with the 9.4 second focus broke his shift linkage on the way to the track sorry about his luck. he had my mods and a 60 shot and beat me by a whole 2 tenths that is what i was getting at being funny.

i also beat a friends turboed civic and a mazdaspeed protege and if your not that knowledgeable the mazdaspeed protege is turboed also.

Also not every ounce counts that is clueless fucktards. when i got that 9.6 i ran consistent 9.7's which is the same time the sunfire with the 60 shot ran. anyways the day i ran the 9.6 i had more weight in the car and a full gas tank. the secret you may ask is all in the launch 2.1 60ft.

i know foci that run 16s with only I/E. cool.

and i know ZX2's that run 15's stock so whats your point?

I have a Focus and I love the car I just wish mine was a stick. That and that it had more power. Otherwise the Focus is a fast car. I've raced many people and most of them lose to me.

ok so since john really didn't clarify it... he doesn't have n2o... he has udp, dual side exhaust (which sounds mean as shit, so it does have a function), full length 4-2-1 header, and pots... thats it... and he ran that 9.6 w/o the full length header... in case u r wondering the guy that ran the 15.8 w/ 17's and only POT's... ya, that was me... can your focus match that? no, i didn't think so...

another thing... take a look at ur 1/8th mile times... they should be w/ the slips... i bet they're more than 10.5... you do realize that that is just shy of 1 full second SLOWER than john's zx2 w/ mild bolt on's? think and read b4 u post...

and to answer your very stupid question u asked about me ever working on a car... no i haven't :roll: why don't u inform me of ur awesome knowledge when it comes to exhaust will you please... :flipa: in fact i recently talked to a guy that told me dual exhaust... will actually help your top end but takes away a little bottom end... a straight single exhaust adds low end... but not a whole lot of high end... you wanna argue w/ him? let me know if you want his email... he's just an engineer at Boeing that makes $200k/yr. so he doesn't know jack shit... :flipa:

no.......dual exhaust wont do shit for 4-banger UNLESS ITS A BOXER which...foci are not. its proven man....it only adds extra weight. it can serve a purpose as to...sound, but nothing else. your exhaust is only as good as its narrowest point. splitting a single exhaust into dual, like i said, is pointless.

and i mentioned before you retards that i had just noticed he was talking about 8th mile! YEA 8th fucking mile is something to talk about WOO MY CAR CAN TO TEN YARDS IN 3 SECONDS! HOW ABOUT THAT BITCH???WOAH! fuckin retards. post some real QUARTER MILE times, your 8th mile dont mean shit to anyone but people who think that matters. its all about your trap and finish times. not what you got half way in.

um... why don't u post something usefull then... tell us all what you get in the 1/4 mile you dumbshit... and honestly, i was like you when i first bought my car "quit quoting 1/8th mile times it doesn't matter, only 1/4 does." um ya thats wrong cuz in the united states there are actually an even amount or more 1/8th mile tracks compared to 1/4 mile tracks... so don't be so fucking ignorant...
and if ur gonna dispute a 58 yr/old boing engineer that has been building cars and airplanes alike for a good fucking 40-45 yrs. then ur stupider than i thought and u better provide some hard evidence...

hahaha...well lets see if i ran that 9.6 at an 8th mile strip which i did then that is my finishing time you retard. take a look at all the focus slips you can find and you will see that prolly most of them dont get that unless they are built up a bit, also the 8th mile time directly correlates with the 1/4 mile time. seeing as though i had top end mods and all i would say a 9.6 8th mile is pretty freaking respectable.

Also did you not even watch the videos those were guess what a 1/4 mile track. with a 9.9 8th i got a 15.5 1/4. o my god you would need an svt focus to even think of those numbers.

um ya... and like we've both said b4... click on the fuckin links and u will believe us... whether u admit it to us or not, you can't deny video proof and witnesses... oh and just in case u arent aware of this... you have to go an 1/8th of a mile... in order to reach a fucking quarter mile... why not try and do good on that too. the faster u get to 60' then 1/8th mile... the faster your 1/4 mile time will be... oh and, thanks for posting... have a nice day... :flipa:

i drive a foci....not an svt but I have whipped a few SVT's while out late on a friday night. and i dont know what you are talking about....but i havent seen people talkin shit about the focus on here. those imports are just mad i take their money every friday night :D
I thought you had a GTR!

my focus can beat my 70 chevelle because i put a v8 kit in if you want more info about the v8 kit go here http://www.kugelkomponents.com/focus/focus.html

my focus can beat my 70 chevelle because i put a v8 kit in if you want more info about the v8 kit go here http://www.kugelkomponents.com/focus/focus.htmlpost pictures please...

v8 kits are stupidly pointless:
5.0 pushrod = 10,195 +s/h (assuming you install your self

4.6 = 6,325 +s/h

and unless you use a cobra motor have under 300whp and have roughly no handeling

or

zx3 + focus-power turbo kit and have 320whp for $5200

my contour lx get high 15 in the 1/4 mile and contour has like 30 less hp then the svt tour

v6 5spd?

V6 automatic

no way your getting 15's then man i need to see slips or you have a lot of work done, that would put a 5spd right ion the ass of a SVTc and i kill them(5spd v6's, not SVT's) at the track all teh time

i doint have any slips but i beat a saturn sc2 that had slips that said 16s and i beat him by two car lengths he has a dohc I4 12psi turbo intercooler bored out header free flowing exhaust and other mods and it wasnt at the track

yeah thats a 13sec car right there, no way he was only running 16's OR he didnt really have that stuff.

does your zx2 get third gear scratch cause my tour
does what is your powerband start and end mine is from 3000 to 6750 when i shift and it drops to 3500 when i shift to the next my tour stays in the power band all the time