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2si's
07-16-2004, 12:27 PM
Whats the fastest cheapest simplest way for my 92 si daily driver to hit low to mid 11s?

boosted331
07-16-2004, 12:51 PM
Well, since you've posted "How can I get my Z28 into the 11's cheapest" and "How can I get my VR4 into the 10's cheapest" I'm going to guess you either don't have a car, or don't have enough money or knowledge to build a fast car. If you need to ask these questions you don't stand a hope in hell of building a daily driven FWD car that will hit low 11's.

CivicSpoon
07-16-2004, 01:11 PM
Cheap, 11seconds, and daily driver do not go along together; with ANY car. The fasters street car I've seen is a 12 second awd Talon with $10,000 worth of upgrades. You'll need at least that amount of $ (i'm guessing quite a bit more), to gut the sh*t out of your car (spare tire, seats, carpet, sound deadening, AC, PS, interior plastics, etc) carbonfiber hatch-hood-fenders, plexan windows, lightweight rims, roll cage, low compression fully built motor, and a sh*t load of boost and then maybe just maybe you'll be lucky enough to hit 11 seconds; but then with all that stuff you won't be street legal.

snowman2005
07-16-2004, 01:20 PM
if u turbo it ud b pretty good hitting 12s 13s but not 11 out of a daily driver. if its a dayly driver theres no point into making it a 11s car anyways.

2si's
07-16-2004, 01:20 PM
well boosted Since you know so much about me (stalker )
you may have noticed that I really havent gotten a straight answer yet. not that that stopped you from being a dick, But maybe Im in the market for a new car, and Id like to do a lil research.
Now I do appreciate everyone who has taken their time to help me out but Im just asking questions. calm down. (That is what an automotive forum is fr isnt it?)

2si's
07-16-2004, 01:22 PM
by the way all I have is a 92 hatch w/ an h22 so just calm down damn.

CivicSpoon
07-16-2004, 02:27 PM
by the way all I have is a 92 hatch w/ an h22 so just calm down damn.
Wow you bought, recieved, and installed an h22 in you civic all in 6 days? http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=255244 "...I mean are there any pitfalls I should avoid when it comes to selecting an H?" I call :bs: :disappoin

PunkAlex
07-16-2004, 02:32 PM
Wow you bought, recieved, and installed an h22 in you civic all in 6 days? http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=255244 "...I mean are there any pitfalls I should avoid when it comes to selecting an H?" I call :bs: :disappoin
oh this is rather funny! please do continue!

boosted331
07-16-2004, 02:35 PM
Cheap, 11seconds, and daily driver do not go along together; with ANY car. The fasters street car I've seen is a 12 second awd Talon with $10,000 worth of upgrades. You'll need at least that amount of $ (i'm guessing quite a bit more), to gut the sh*t out of your car (spare tire, seats, carpet, sound deadening, AC, PS, interior plastics, etc) carbonfiber hatch-hood-fenders, plexan windows, lightweight rims, roll cage, low compression fully built motor, and a sh*t load of boost and then maybe just maybe you'll be lucky enough to hit 11 seconds; but then with all that stuff you won't be street legal.

No offense, but you're completely wrong. If you wanted to run 11's in a naturally aspirated car you might have to do everything you said there. You can run 11's in a full weight EG and a stock sleeve LS/VTEC or GSR or B16 or ITR, keep A/C and power steering, but it's a hands on thing. Shit breaks, shit wears out, and unless you have a lot of money it is going to cost a lot to take it to a shop every time something breaks.

Right click, save target as (http://cs.widener.edu/~epanek/Pete%20ride%20along.mpg)

This is a basically full weight ITR, made 350 WHP at 10 pounds of boost. Doesn't have A/C or power steering any more, but there are LOTS of manifolds on the market that allow you to keep both. 12.0 @ 120 on street tires, not drag radials. That's a solid 11 second car on slicks, and will be making even more power now that he's swapped to a T3/T67.

Here's the best example I can come up with for a very streetable 11 second civic that has the interior, stock steel fenders, hood, hatch, real glass, air conditioning, power steering, and no roll cage. Motor is a cheap build, LS/VTEC with some 9:1 JE's and eagle rods in the stock sleeves, a GSR tranny, hondata, and the full race turbo kit. 420 WHP @ 13-14 pounds of boost, 91 octane pump gas.

Dyno Sheet (http://www.full-race.com/dyno_charts/Henry.JPG)
Pics of the car (http://www.full-race.com/images/gallery/ac_kit/)

Is a low 11 second FWD possible, while being mostly daily driven? Yes. Is it going to take 30 thousand dollars of mods, extreme weight reduction and make it totally unstreetable? No. Is a newbie without a lot of mechanical skill and not a whole lot of money going to be able to build and maintain it? Nope. Be happy with an H22A with boltons, if you even own a car.

civickiller
07-16-2004, 02:47 PM
11s can be done is daily driven car, its also about boost control, i mean you dont have to be pushing 15psi all the time, you could do it at the track and run 11s then turn it down to 7 for street driving.

dont gotta rag on this guy, maybe hes just doing research trying to learn about what he can do if he gets his h22 car, and kinda looking at the costs and what not. dont hate, well only hate on people that give wrong information

CivicSpoon
07-16-2004, 02:58 PM
Oh yeah I agree it's definently possible to get a car with stock interior in 11 seconds but I was just going along with the cheap part of it. I just figured he wouldn't have to spend any $ by losing weight which would help the power to weight ratio. And I figured it'd end up being more expensive because it seems with him having to ask the question he's probably not going to be doing the work himself; so he'd have to pay for someone to do all the work for him and that would kill the cheapness part more. But you're absolutely right.

CivicSpoon
07-16-2004, 03:02 PM
11s can be done is daily driven car, its also about boost control, i mean you dont have to be pushing 15psi all the time, you could do it at the track and run 11s then turn it down to 7 for street driving.

dont gotta rag on this guy, maybe hes just doing research trying to learn about what he can do if he gets his h22 car, and kinda looking at the costs and what not. dont hate, well only hate on people that give wrong information
I hear ya, I'd be envious as hell if he was running 11's in an EH.

2si's
07-16-2004, 04:16 PM
nevermind

CivicSpoon
07-16-2004, 09:18 PM
nevermind
Naw people are just semi screwing with ya man don't take it personal. The h22 is a good motor to work off of to get to 11's, already at 190-200hp to work off of. You got any pics of your motor?

jeffseby
07-16-2004, 11:31 PM
Hell ya, them H22s are sick, They also sound awsome. They are a great starting point if installed properly!

civicHBsi91
07-17-2004, 06:25 AM
I swear I post this link more than any other to argue a point without word's.

read up bitches! and yes it's a D series!

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/22838/index.html

2si's
07-18-2004, 11:10 AM
Thank you 91 Thats what Im talking about. Damn and I justsold my 91sihb

2si's
07-18-2004, 11:13 AM
I just had to print that out and take it to the studio my chevy friend (t-type guy) just bought himself a 4dr 89 civic std for 100$ hes gotta read this.

2si's
07-18-2004, 11:20 AM
I wonder if that guy would sell a contract to build my sohc like that for around 6g's? that really is a small price to pay. street leagal, original motor, emmissions legal, 29mpg?, and it idles like stock.....Im just floored
This guys solved all the negatives that come along with having a fast honda.
Now I wonder If I can convert mine back to non h22 status.
Damn theres always something.

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